LaserMax Defense PAiL M17/M18 Pistol Enhancer

Video overview of the LaserMax Defense PAiL (Pistol Aiming Laser) LMD-PE-IR-1). Thanks for watching!
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[@993isgawd]

The civilian limited run commemorative edition M17 and M18s (basically MIL-spec versions except with tan colored controls instead of black) also had the same so-called "issue" with their slides not fully returning to battery with 'guided handling' as well. The solution to this is simple: lube the sucker up and actually shoot the darn thing. The gun will loosen up when it's used as it's MEANT to be used. If it spends its life as a collectible safe queen, it will likely forever never return fully to battery on its own with "soft" handling.

[@nunzionapoli6325]

I don't know any LE or military personnel that is taught to "ride the slide" 🛝 🍆 I think it's the Glock fans that would rather see the military go with a Glock that has a built in forward assist 😅

[@Minuteman_Medic]

I was in 10th Mountain when we first started receiving these pistols in 2020 and they also issued the PAiLs as well. However, since they were serialized items and ultimately not needed because the kind of guys who carried pistols in the regular army are not the ones who do much low light shooting, or shooting at all. So they just sat in the arms room and only came out for inventory.

[@MagicPrepper]

I grabbed a contract overrun M18 as well. It's awesome. Mine also does not return to battery if you ride the slide. I assume it's from the more robust RSA. Like you said, handle it properly and you're good.

[@Mike-gi1dk]

Where and how much did you spend

[@pulëeskuqurdheshalqi]

No worries, none of my glocks return to battery if I ride the slide.

[@chadlowery1098]

This feature set seems pretty good. Depending on the power of the led output it’s possibly much better than the similar Surefire design at 2/3 the cost of the Surefire. That activation button design killed it though. Having to apply pressure perpendicular to the bore to activate the light is completely ignorant. Guarantee every shot taken while activating the light will drift in the direction of the button pressure. Had they just put bottoms that work like the Surefire or Streamlight pistol lights, it’d be good.

[@gregramirez562]

If interested, I have some information about the issued holsters from safariland. Both styles are issued ( no laser/with laser)

[@heavytrooper2402]

So just to be clear, it dose not have a visible laser setting?

[@Wafftop]

I cant wait for the romeo optic to be fitted for the p320 deltapoint footprint

[@seanuh60]

Why wouldn't the new sig optic not mount via screws from beneath like the plate it came with?

[@jaredwhite489]

What’s the name of the optic again?

[@See-yw1vw]

Do you know if altrd is still making rails?

[@ninjadave1970]

I want one, but don't know where to find it?

[@DrewB7777]

Someone just sold one on Reddit for $400 today.

[@Minuteman_Medic]

Bifrost gear has them for $299

[@Cursd281]

Definitely seems a bit clunky. Wonder if it would survive the dishwasher.

[@bombfog1]

I’m not at all a fan of American SIG but that pistol/laser combo is pretty damn sexy.

[@Jeff-og2pm]

I have a “civilian” P320 Carry and it has the same spring assembly as the military M18. Now granted it is my duty gun as a state trooper, however my understanding it that we are just issued regular P320’s the same as a civilian can buy.

[@chrisblackburn5532]

If you ever want to get rid of your lmd let me know my unit isn't going to buy these and I really want one lol.

[@dad3562]

Got a holster for it?

[@tomjjackson21]

Idk why I dislike the M18 so much, but I just can't stand it. Objectively, there's nothing negative I can say about it, it just optimizes the mediocrity that our service refuses to negate from. Is the LMD commercially available? Looks like something out of an airsoft bin, but, a standard issue IR/Light/Laser for pistols is pretty kewl.. I didn't see this accessory coming. Nvm, you answered the question.

[@superfamilyallosauridae6505]

i think it would've been cool if they had a tender for some 5.7 pistol and made everybody design one. it would have objective benefits, like magazine capacity and how flat it shoots and stuff like that. i'm sure the army could figure out how to make the most lethal projectile possible and make it kill the hell out of things, like they did with m855a1, m80a1, and 6.8x51mm 135gr GP, all of which use army designed EPR projectiles. all of that's to say, the mediocrity the service refuses to stray from is 9mm but maybe optic one day lmao. it is indubitably the 100+ year old pistol cartridge of a different era.

[@cstgraphpads2091]

Why is that bad? Why does the military need to spend money on a weapon that will only ever be a sidearm?

[@cstgraphpads2091]

@@superfamilyallosauridae6505 It would also have objective drawbacks, i.e. cost. Why have a sidearm that costs as much as a rifle that has objectively worse performance?

[@superfamilyallosauridae6505]

@@cstgraphpads2091 FN would, for obvious reasons, not win the contract.... I don't know what rifle cost 5.7 pistol you're finding. especially when a rifle, now, costs like $3,367 in the eyes of the army

[@LRRPFco52]

​@@cstgraphpads2091 The MHS should have been a PDW/Pistol contract, not a 9x19mm pistol contract. If we took an MP7, P90, KAC PDW, and NGSW ammunition design approach and put them in a blender, to make a very compact PDW for support troops, RTOs, Key Leaders, Drivers, Grenadiers, ADVON, etc. A 9mm sidearm in the 3rd decade of the 21st Century makes no sense going forward. The Army is never going to invest in the training necessary to be safe with a pistol, let alone competent with it from a marksmanship perspective. They wasted a huge opportunity to do a nice PDW, but this is to be expected from the competition for conformity and degrading baseline of mediocrity.

[@CuttinInIdaho]

That thing looks cheaply built. 600 bucks...wow thats amazing

[@akmonster9687]

“Source “ aka a usmc armor walks off the base with them 😆

[@socomarylandaqua2549]

Can civilians buy the contract gun

[@petesheppard1709]

Sig occasionally releases some for the collector market.

[@matthewmshell9099]

This gun Hella expensive just like the m9 Beretta

[@flavortown3781]

If they starting buying new 1911s to the previous milspec, they would cost more than the military pays FN for an m4

[@Sonic357]

You would think it would come with a laser. Definitely a OWB Unit

[@JM-ct9lg]

Does the thickened slide effect it's placement in kydex holsters made for the commercial version of the m18?

[@DowntownDeuce2]

External dimensions are same, they just remove less metal from slide milling it. Civilian concealed-carry enjoys lightweight, which is not an issue for military

[@jw5297]

Lol I'm just happy to keep up with my XDM and X300 Love seeing your builds.

[@alfredfree3]

It’s not worth what everyone is asking for it. Surefire makes something similar that’s thinner and brighter

[@flavortown3781]

Or a tl1-vir 2 for less money with holster support if you need that

[@rammaychannel]

Hi, do you have contact where I could buy it, please?

[@6030jdr]

Not hard to argue at all. The consumerism pri es are absurd. Old tech @ a premiuuuuuum price