LATEST ! Prophet Makandiwa VS Apostle Chiwenga On 'GOD WORKS WITH THE DEVIL' - Who Copied The Sermon

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[@user-is6ig3dr3p]

Prophet Makandiwa is teaching priest , i have learnt a lot

[@EvansHamunakwadi]

TF preached this message longtime ago, but to you Zigo it's still fresh...!

[@adolfmunemo7195]

And when was that? Maybe give a link otherwise there is nothing like that

[@yllabis]

@EvansHamunakwadi This teaching is from John Calvin and his disciple Theodore Beza in the 1500's about 500 years ago. This is not something new. John Calvin taught that God commands or controls evil in Satan, demons and the wicked, and therefore blasphemously calls God as the author of evil. I was in debate with someone regarding the interpretation of Calvin on this matter, namely in his “Institutes”. BOOK. I quote the other person “Calvin says God commands, forces, and impels the evil deeds of Satan, evil men and demons.” To give some additional context, the following quotes were references to support this charge. In defence, I had essentially said (among other things) that God in wisdom actively directs and uses the evil designs of Satan for His purposes in glory, but that God is not the author of such evil nor can any evil be ascribed to Him. I believe God says in effect to Satan “thus far you shall go, and no further”, citing Job 1 as support. The quotations from Calvin’s Institutes: Book 1 Chapter 14 Section 17-18: "With regard to the strife and war which Satan is said to wage with God, it must be understood with this qualification, that Satan cannot possibly do anything against the will and consent of God." Section 18: "God thus turning the unclean spirits hither and thither at his pleasure..." Book 1 Chapter 17 Section 5-11 "I concede more -that thieves and murderers, and other evil-doers, are instruments of divine providence, being employed by the Lord himself to execute judgments which he has resolved to inflict." Section 11: But when they call to mind that the devil, and his whole train of the ungodly, are, in all directions, held in by the hand of God as with a bridle, so that they can neither conceive any mischief, nor plan what they have conceived, nor how much soever they may have planned, move a single finger to penetrate, unless insofar as he permits, no, unless he commands; that they are not only bound by his fetters, but are even forced to do him service..." Book 1 Chapter 18 Section 2-3: "I admit, indeed, that God often acts in the reprobate by interposing the agency of Satan; but in such a manner, that Satan himself performs his part, just as he is impelled, and succeeds only insofar as he is permitted." Section 3: "I have already shown that God is the author of all those things which, according to these objectors, happen only by his inactive permission. He testifies that he creates light and darkness, forms good and evil; that no evil happens which he has not done."

[@costachigwida4819]

I have learnt something thank you from your preaching

[@OziasZekenya-to1ku]

Zigo unnge waane maIssues naChiwenga iwe try to be neutral so that we enjoy listening to whatever you post thank you

[@lovemorechinembiri3395]

“And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭22‬:‭31‬-‭32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

[@sirwhite62]

Ihh Zigo Apostle preached about this since 2016

[@TheChekas]

Anonzi Talent chiwenga mukomana uyu, zvekuti Apostle kuzungaira kwako.

[@liciousnyamande4251]

​@@TheChekasunorwarawo iwe

[@TheChekas]

@@liciousnyamande4251 wakambozvigayawo here kuti nei mubible pasina kana one aishandisirwa that pre-nominal? Kuzvikudza chete kwevafana ava. There is a big difference between kuti Apostle Chiwenga nekuti T Chiwenga, an apostle.

[@adolfmunemo7195]

@@TheChekas Talent stalk makandiwa chiwenga

[@chrisnkomo5997]

Go into the world preach the good news. Cast out devils/ demons, lay hands to the sick they shall be heeled.Mark 16:16-20 you will tread upon lions and cobras. Psalms 91-13-15 (Sizowanyathela ama demons ) It's biblical to cast out demons. This apostle is confusing his people. But he does Buda uyende😂😂😂,is that not casting devils? With Makandiwa I think he is straight forward about this teaching,cause he spoke about God removed the coverage.

[@lovemorechinembiri3395]

“And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭22‬:‭31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

[@sadoprojects7823]

Makandiwa akarasika apo pakut Mwari anofanirwa kutanga arwara kut agone kupa munhu urwere. Hakuna zvakadaro. Mwari akarova vana Miriam hanzvadzi ya Moses nenaperembudzi, does tht mean God had fallen sick. Murume akanyebesa iyeye

[@Yohjoolf]

Read your Scriptures properly***There is a principle yekut **outside His obedience,you face plagues***so some curse,are by reason of Disobedience,not that the Sickness came from God,,,God cannot Impart sickness**He removed the covering,yaimu protector pama sicknesses

[@adolfmunemo7195]

No man he is not wrong at all that issue was conditional and based on a created scenario

[@TanYa-dt3vp]

Ndopanzi its not God Himself who afflicts , He instead lifts His covering for a moment & allows the devil to afflict, so the sickness came with God's permission but not done by God directly, as with miriam

[@TanakaChikara]

Zigo apa washaiwa weku campare naye apostle nashungi hre zigo uriboora ngoma

[@joerestmusic]

Let's not forget all those who wrote about God are humans like us it's their perception towards God too .. The true identity of God was revealed by Christ on earth

[@RoubenNjanike-pe4mh]

God is God he has everything Mr makandiwa miriam was sick me maperembudzi😊

[@julietmusweweshiri7485]

Apostle Chiwenga preached Job series part1 pagomba iyo ya2024 yatove part 2 zigo

[@BlessingMuronzi]

Thank you guys to teach us about how Devil is connected with God. I'm shocked saka vanopedzerei simba vachidzinga mamhepo kuvanhu

[@yllabis]

@BlessingMuronzi. The Bible says my people perish from lack of knowledge. This means that Christians don't have a faith problem they have a knowledge problem. The writer of the book of job mixes facts and fiction. One needs to see the writing style used. The Bible is also a work of literature and one has to be careful when reading certain texts and taking them literary. God has a bilateral relationship with the Devil??? Shocking!! TF Chiwenga is a Calvinist he ascribes to the doctrines laid out by John Calvin and his successor Theodore Beza, this is also called the "reformed theology" that he is preaching.

[@RoubenNjanike-pe4mh]

Zigo kkkkkk always have personal issue with TF chiwenga you need help🎉

[@brendonchamboko425]

Apostles vanoshandisa magwaro as a witness to his Revelation sak ungagoramba seyi

[@HebertChitakuza-vo9ud]

Read Revelations,they conduct meetings but the devil is limited on the final role related to the spirit

[@toolsmoz]

I think Job story is about the Lamb of God

[@TheChekas]

TF akazviparidza kudhara, thats why asingadzinge mamhepo

[@adolfmunemo7195]

No it's makandiwa who taught about it long back

[@TheChekas]

@@adolfmunemo7195dai manu achizvinzwisisa aisaswera achiita mashiripiti ekutandanisa madhimoni

[@adolfmunemo7195]

@@TheChekas you clearly lack understanding of the scriptures, if your pastor chiwenga can't cast demons out you don't have to defend him ignorantly, demonstration of power in healings deliverance does come hand in hand with the word of God, TF tried to prophecy and it was an embarrassment to the congregation.... Chiwenga learns from makandiwa and that's for a fact.

[@thembandlovu3344]

​@adolfmunemo7195 unopenga iwe kudzidza chii pane mbabva iyo....kudzidza kutengesa ma anointed bricks,anointed oranges,anointed shits and socks?Kudzidza kupa vana ve 3days? Kudzidza kuti he's more gifted than God? Kudzidza hu spiritual father? pane zvinhu zvinosemesa kudarika zvinhu zvinodzidziswa naMakandiwa, ko kana achidzidza kunaMakandiwa unomuvengerei kudaro?.......pavanhu vose vakaroiwa naMakandiwa iwe akaita zvokukubika muzibhodho chairwo😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@yllabis]

@Zigo both Emmanuel Makandiwa and TF Chiwenga are teaching the doctrine known as "reformed theology" as formulated and taught by John Calvin and Theodore Beza also known as Calvinism. The understanding of the book of job is wrong. That not the moral of the job account.

[@adolfmunemo7195]

Pliz provide a link so l can learn from your teachings it will be an honour to hear a different revelation

[@yllabis]

@@adolfmunemo7195 Don't be a lazy Christian for and research John Calvin, Theodore Beza and the 5 Tenets of CALVINISM first then you an come and discuss with me.

[@givenkakambi]

Who Copied who does not arise here that is information in the bible.

[@fredmhofu6381]

Zigo ndirikuda account ye fnb ndodii

[@tafadzwadonald]

Zigo chisound chako chidombo🔥

[@ObedienceMarrit-yo9hp]

Why does Apostle Chiwenga preach about other people's sermons,its really boring knowing that all a man preaches is another man's sermon.We are called by the Lord differently.

[@braharry6618]

some of us are tired of these comparisons - between pem and tc, how can you compare barcelona and mushowani stars.. ? pse give us a break.

[@adolfmunemo7195]

😂😂😂Which is which now.

[@user-xx4hs5yc3l]

Satan and God they are all spiritual beings,,they all omnipresent,,, satan is not a physical being like us,,,n he is an advesary,,,advesary is a big word Zigo thats how satan is,,,advesary,,,So he operates like God in an opposite way,, i opposition party yakangwarira,,,,kkkk he knows everything abt God,, buh i think the mystery begins with Job ...?how did job heard the conversation of God n satan...?🤔

[@seanmamela2328]

Chiwenga akaparidza izvi kare kare

[@adolfmunemo7195]

😂😂😂And when was that? Talent dsnt carry that much revelations, he got that one from makandiwa and he is not denying it

[@tondetanditonny802]

@@adolfmunemo7195kare kare pagomba iyi itori part 2 it was even before yaMakandiwa iyo

[@adolfmunemo7195]

@@tondetanditonny802 hausvodi, tipe footage zve tione

[@tauchamu3212]

God is the devil himself I have scripture for that Isaiah 45:7

[@user-xx4hs5yc3l]

Isa.55.8 - "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD. Isa.55.9 - "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. we are human beings,,,earth suits we can't figure out God's ways Zigo,,, this guys they are all wrong,,they don't know God they use assumptions abt God,,,

[@trumpetariel6689]

They are using scripture 😅

[@Yohjoolf]

Chiwenga should submit to this Man***anotanga kuva ne purpose

[@TheChekas]

Makandiwa haanzwisisi zvaanoparidza

[@Yohjoolf]

@@TheChekas kwete kut Mim ndimi musinganzwisise here,nhai Munhuwashe

[@TheChekas]

@@Yohjoolf no manu ndiye ari confused. You can’t claim power over Satan and yet declare kuti Satan vakuru vanekubwinya at the same time.

[@celianchitembo4924]

Haaa nekuti??Men submit to God not a mere mortal man,Chiwenga haaite spiritual father anofa😂

[@adolfmunemo7195]

@@TheChekas read your Bible man, the devil never claimed to have power and rule this world but he was given the earth and power by God himself, so yaa if it is power he got it.

[@blessingmwanakanda6236]

kkkkkkkkk have hiv

[@joerestmusic]

Zigo urikusimba .

[@PartakersOfChristMinistry]

Lots of preachers have diverted from preaching Christ and salvation. In all these teachings you can clearly see that its not about Christ, no salvation, no love, no faith at all but just heresy based on their worldly understanding of the scriptures. My advise: See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ. Colossians 2:8 NIV

[@joerestmusic]

Exactly, Revelation of men ,devilish ones in the name of being deep. Removing the simplicity that is in Christ .

[@user-bz8fw5ve1o]

Idzo dzopenga idzo ko hanty Satan akatopihwa permission to attack Job dzonyepera vanhu

[@adolfmunemo7195]

It's a known fact that T chiwenga is makandiwas follower so he leant that revelation from his father... It's clear now, that's why he is always commenting on makandiwa

[@tanakamoyo4587]

Makandiwa is sick. It's stupid to say God and the devil have a bilateral agreement, they don't, it's heresy. God created all and rules all and everything functions according to it's purpose and within its limits, it's like saying God has an agreement with the sun to provide light🤣🤣.

[@TinotendaHlomayi-op6en]

PEM ndiBaba

[@TheChekas]

Inga zvakarambidzwa wani zvaanababa izvi, unoomera musoro even zvakataurwa nemuridzi wechinamato shuwa