‘Law Minister's Ideas About Choosing Judges"Unacceptable"; But SC Must Enforce Collegium Decisions’

[@kuldipkumarsuri]

The Wire Is doing great job; You guys are serving our Democracy by giving citizens the true picture of whats happening in our country… more power to you…

[@premat7653]

Superb interview. The details of the collegium has been explained so beautifully which has been understood by all of us now. Thanks to Mr Thapar and justice Lokur.

[@jamilakoshy3324]

Well said, Sir. This stinks. I do hope it is clear to all that this is a conflict of interest, as the govt is the biggest litigant, and govt nominees can hardly have the qualification to choose a judge. We do not appreciate ministers trying these stunts which would weaken our judiciary.

[@abdulqaiyumacademicfoundat6126]

Judiciary has already collapsed. 🙄

[@bv6168]

SC judges are corrupt and unaccountable to the Indian public

[@Nashaking316]

The collegium system is a total disaster. Look at the no of pending cases. It has has to be done away with immediately

[@sanjayshastry2436]

Please add vice president too. Jaideep Dhankar was a disgrace as a governor, now he is not being very vice presidential.

[@Nashaking316]

@@sanjayshastry2436 I didn’t follow him as a governor so I can’t comment but it is the Supreme Court’s duty above everyone else to protect the constitution but instead it shows total contempt for it. So if the VP was exceeding his powers as governor and it went to court and the judiciary itself disregards the constitution then how can there be justice?

[@rajaretnampillai5579]

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[@handinhandblr]

Just excellent and so clear to me as a layperson! Listening to this interview I'm hoping our precious CJI and judges will show unity of strength!👏👏👏🙏

[@lalremsanganghaka5865]

Justice Lokur was and has been a lion of a Judge ..... Fearless and uncompromised

[@Iamlikeyou164]

The amount of quality is undeniable ,goes both by content and person ...Thank you very much,🙏

[@asimmukherjee5950]

🤔 My God... 'Raja' of our country totally controlled this Judiciary system... 1st save our Democracy! Brave journalist Karan sahib.. take care!

[@virinderdogra6086]

Very well elucidated. Judiciary needs to be independent of any influence or interference.Already other public institutions are loosing its sheen on the point of Ccountability and acting as executive personality.

[@farhatara4551]

Excellent, 👍👍👍karan

[@superjrao7161]

That’s why I subscribe to Wire … wonderful interview as usual

[@highlandersshowtime]

I'm quite enlightened by this two gentlemen 🙏

[@opsharma8458]

Well elaborated and asked the important topic around the country.

[@kkshukla6303]

Exactly right what honorable ex judge has said,we agreed the view

[@h79guf]

I admire the love of deep-work and fast rhythm Karan displays. Truly enjoying his profession.

[@prasannaphookan6564]

Highly illuminating conversation.I would opine that's such discussions are an eye opener for all of us in the country. Efforts of Govt to control judiciary in a democratic set up, as evident from the ongoing tug of war between Govt and judiciary amounts to muffling our constitutionally granted freedom.

[@sanjay.k6124]

Excellent interview by Karen thaper ji ,bold interview which expose so many points. Further justice Lokur must be congratulated for his bold opinion. He Is learned personality with professional outlook.

[@amarbirsinghchugh3798]

You are an icon in your domain. Your interviews are informative, and engaging and seek to clarify even esoteric topics and make them easy to assimilate. It is always a pleasure to listen to you.

[@SanjitKumar-nx8uo]

Sir, your interviews are always interesting. At least I will never forget the one with the CEO of India Govt. I can't resist myself from laughing where he was vertually trembling to get out from your clutches.

[@zakeerahmadbaig]

I salute former Chief Justice who stands tall and strong for the constitution.

[@gitanjalikhanduri314]

Reminds me of appointment of Residents by the East India Company many many years ago.

[@afzalmakhan]

Government must form a committee consisting of CJI and other 2 senior judges of Supreme Court for appointing Governors.

[@subhashsharma7080]

A very great and engrossing discussion Both Thapar and Lokur are gigantically knowledgeable in their realms of debate Sheer delight to be apart of it

[@udhabakoushalia7194]

My highest respect to both of eminent personalities.

[@SuryaPrakash-vb3lx]

Collegium should be transparent and should have it's minutes and should come under RTI

[@sapamsubhangker7267]

Long Live Karan Thapar ......

[@career_guru]

Excellent analysis 👐

[@bharatpatel9739]

Collegium is not people's representative but parliament is. So we the people of India would like to give a new constitution to ourselves to meet our today's aspirations

[@nandlalchogal7508]

Very well commented Lokur sir. What about Vice President's comments? Do his comments not interfere with the basic structure of the constitution?

[@azizkushalable]

Karan, we all love you for your upright and honest videos.👍👍

[@sanjaygadhalay1523]

Wonderful.interview. deep. dialogue... always exceptions don't make the rule...

[@lalithanarayan9079]

This method of checking should be made MANDATORY FOR POLITICIANS AND PEOPLES REPRESENTATIVES AND are these representatives educated enough,knowledgable enough to "JUDGE" HIGHLY EDUCATED JUDGES. What a shame

[@amarnathsharma]

Where is it written in constitution.

[@lataramooji5234]

Yes Justice Lokur. Absolutely agree with you.

[@dr.rohitsingh9638]

Judiciary in India needs reform. Getting justice is very costly affair, which no poor man can afford. There are large no. of pending cases in courts. Only dates are given, no justice. Wire should discuss those aspects.

[@cooazb8008]

Only sincere people can speak out, and Ex CJI Lokur is one among them.

[@faiyazhussain2442]

It is bold and fantastic. Supreme Court must be Supreme as the word itself speaks

[@premn158]

Great,crystal clear explanation.

[@nishan7253]

Desperate times demand desperate measures. Hats off to CJI 🙏.

[@kshitijsingh6617]

Conflict of interest should be avoided by all possible negotiations. Wonderful discussion everyone should watch this. 🙏🏻🇮🇳❤️

[@NasirHussain-pf8sh]

You are absolutely correct the Supreme court must be independent body without insolvent of government sir

[@billuchampak4667]

There should be a competitive exam for appointment of Supreme Court judges. The exam should be conducted by a body consisting of Supreme Court judges, academics and government representatives, but the government representatives being in minority.

[@niloferck1398]

I appreciate very much the closing suggestions of Karan Thapar to punish the Ministers for contempt of court.

[@Ranjith_37]

So If Judiciary act contempt of court against Law minister. Tomorrow Judiciary may act contempt of court against PM, CM also who are democratically elected by people and they are ultimately accountable to parliament by opposition and political parties are accountable to people by facing elections.. i really don't understand how can Judiciary I mean collegium don't have transparency and accountability.. and Judiciary is facing corruption charges and Favouritism led to nepotism... In any where in world even highly developed and democratic countries like USA, UK , European countries which doesn't have "Judges appointed by judges " = collegium system.. I totally understand independence of judiciary is essential and healthy for democracy and to protect the constitution.. In My opinion NJAC like structure in which judiciary has to be majority say will b good n unique to India and lead to good example to world..

[@harjitsohal3763]

Thanks to Hon jistic Lakur and Karan for showing trueth to Infians

[@billuchampak4667]

It is against the directive principles of constitution which say that the judiciary must be made independent from the executive . Also a threat to the independence of judiciary.

[@ramakrishnansanthappansiva982]

I applaud My Godly Justice Shri. Madan Bhimarao Lokur Ji and eminent journalist Shri Karan Thapar Ji and the Honorable The Wire. Sincerely, ramakrishna.

[@MithileshKumar-ul2on]

There is no provision of collegium in constitution and by isisting on using this system, Supreme court is following an unconstitutional practice but the people of India has no way to challenge the Supreme court. Change in collegium is a must and a law should be enacted so as NEPOTISM is eliminated.

[@devendrapandey9740]

Very informative discussion. It would good to increase awareness if conducted in Hindi also

[@thakurhansda460]

Very comprehensive and neutral discussion.

[@fg3752]

Not only selecting CJI release of Convicts also should be beyond Politics

[@hoshkaro]

Thank you very much for enlightening us

[@nafisasuhail7931]

Very well explained...very reasonable too..thank you sir for being an eye opener

[@SurjitSingh-op8hm]

The best way is to make a data of, where the Advocate practicing in the High Court has appeared in extra ordinary case and has been able to persuade the Judge to write the judgement in his favour by his argument interpreting the law, which has also been upheld by the Supreme Court in case it has gone to it. There is also whisper, that collegium also choose their blue eye Advocate, and the Judges who are in good relation with the CJ gets the particular name passed by the collegium, So to make it transparent the data of cases as discussed above, and accompanied by the criteria of Advocate who has done pro-bono service be considered. The minutes of the collegium meeting should be available to the public under the RTI Act. When a citizen can criticise the decision of PM or CM, why cannot the decision of CJ or CJI be criticized. The freedom of speech cannot be only against legislature but also against the Judiciary. It will strengthen the democracy in true sense.

[@PramodKumarMumbai]

Is he suggesting that unless you have known someone for 10-20 years, you cannot judge his suitability for a position? If that is the case, we should as well abolish the UPSC, and select IAS and IPS etc, from the families known to the people at the helm of the bureaucracy. The words of Justice Lokur would have been far more convincing only if the collegium had maintained the highest degree of objectivity in its functioning. Unless the judiciary accepts that the collegium system lacks objectivity and fairness, and takes remedial measures to address the same, this debate will not rest.

[@taufiqkhan8636]

Outstanding

[@shivkumarkhemka5415]

Collegium system of appointment of HC/SC judges is alien to the Constitution of India. The authority to select a SC judge is given to the President of India in the Constitution. By Collegium system, such authority of the President has been taken away by the system.

[@kkshukla6303]

Very good and informative discussion

[@chandrashekharkoti6525]

Wire channel is a trusted one,putting forth the defaults of govts & bring awareness.

[@baldevbhaipatel2348]

Law minister’s idea is to disturb the judiciary only .. In fact there should not be any kind of interferencee of government , Collegium must be absolutely independent …

[@gargsamyt]

Justice Sodhi’s comments are profound “High courts are not subservient to the Supreme Court. HCs are independent bodies of the respective states. Now, what’s happening? SC is appointing HC judges. And where do SC judges come from? High courts. Hence HC judges have started looking towards the SC all the time and become subservient.” This is unconstitutional.

[@shaunbird8051]

Thanks to Karan and Justice Lokur for the wonderful presentatikon. As said by the dignified Lokur he is very correct and there are many reasons. The ruling Government is represented by a single Party or group of Parties which will have the top most importance and priorities to the Political Party first and then only to the Nation. So the importance of the Nation first takes a back seat here. There has never been any interefence by any Govt. so far but only now we can see the Government trying to poke their nose into a different domain. This does not hold good for the country. Once again thanks to the Wire for the nice presentation.

[@vinaysinha7598]

It is difficult to agree that attack on SC is attack on Constitution. It is similar to saying that attacking govt is attack on Constitution and attack on nation.

[@trishul1331]

A radical soln to the problem will be to put the HC & SC judges appointment to a vote in a joint sitting of the parliament.

[@ritwik1526]

Why don’t they discuss this theme comparatively 😂 why not discuss how this issue is handled in the US for instance?

[@krishnapillai2595]

Thanks!

[@jameselisha7043]

What Ex judge says is absolutely right. No one above the constitution. Constitution, SC, legislative. this is the system. No overtaking the constitution and SC. Legislative should obey the Law.

[@dipankargupta9359]

I feel on contrary supreme court must consulted on appointment of Law Ministers who should be properly qualified to deal with such important ministries.

[@radhakrishnanv4257]

We should recruit judges through NJAC or UPSC and not through anyone's personal level without any known criteria...

[@iiigraghu]

Excellent Enterprising Emerging Evolving Endeavor 🌹 💐 🤝 🙏

[@csplegalanalysisandresearc2253]

There should be representation of judiciary in appointment of ministers , CAG , AG , RBI Governor , Governers , CBI , ED and others bodies

[@biswajit3188]

🤣🤣

[@rameshjoshi2801]

Modi Govt is trying to control the Judiciary. means the country is heading towards ,Dictatorship. Our Democracy is in peril.Bjp hatao,Desh Bachao.

[@arunjumnal8867]

Pl make a rule that the proposed judge should not be a relative of collegium members...

[@prasoonvarshney9341]

The right to interpretation of the constitution of India was given to the Supreme Court of India by the makers of the constitution. It's still with the Supreme Court of India , especially with the CJI , CJI being the Chief Justice. It's not much important who chooses or choose the judges , important is selection is made honestly or not and the best choice is made or not

[@naifahamed]

Thanks

[@Nashaking316]

The Supreme Court must respect the Constitution of India. They have consistently shown contempt for the Constitution. What gives them the right to change the Constitution. Where in the Constitution is it written that there is a basic constitution that can’t be changed. They have also subverted democracy by rejecting the NJAC.

[@dilbaghsingh5182]

Karan, it’s almost like you have become much much mature enough with the passage of time and hence the experience in your field looking the things as an expert and doing an excellent job here .

[@milindchampanerkar1111]

Great। An interview worth preserving!

[@udhabakoushalia7194]

What a mandatory discussion thanks all

[@hippopole9657]

We must appointment the top court judges as per the system of appointment in the United States of America .

[@knarayanan4039]

i am appalled that an argument which appears to me absurd comes from a former SC judge {15.03}. He is saying that just as an individual litigant cannot choose a judge of his choice, the Government, the biggest litigant, should not be allowed to have a say in the selection of judges. He is equating the soverign government to an individual. This is false logic. My question: Assume that a retired SC judge moves a petition before SC and the case comes up before a judge who got his judgeship due to the recommendation of the Collegium of which the petitioner was a part. In that case whether the judge hearing the case will recuse himself to maintain neutrality?

[@DeepakShah53]

Judges should be chosen by public.... Not by public representative.

[@hiheloByby6902]

Ohkey bring the government representatives in Collegium... Let CJI too decide who should be PM and their cabinet minister

[@patahe7036]

Independence of judiciary is must...

[@txlish]

Dept of justice though under Law Ministry, should not it be independent of the government in decision making?

[@shankarprasadmysore]

What is inclusiveness in a democracy. Can you define it

[@subham.mitra07]

Thapar should let the interviewee finish their point before butting in. Did not even let the man finish his points before interjecting.

[@gretataurogrettatauro9862]

In my humble opinion, d Govts shd not be allowed to appoint Judges in d High Court & Supreme Court

[@ranjitsumati27]

Simply, WHAT is the OBJECTIVE of appointing Govt. Rep in the Collegium.......?

[@satishgangurde758]

The law minister is out of his senses.The recommendation made by him states it. It seems that the concerned minister doesn't even know the Constitution properly, Constitution makers has made every possible attempt to keep judiciary independent and this goverment wants a representative to be appointed in judiciary.

[@h79guf]

A total control of judiciary may be achievable once the initial candidate pool is controlled. Brilliant as demonetization. And a big-step towards Amrit-kaal.

[@akz2251]

Conflict of interest is not applicable to our country.

[@Ranjith_37]

So If Judiciary act contempt of court against Law minister. Tomorrow Judiciary may act contempt of court against PM, CM also who are democratically elected by people and they are ultimately accountable to parliament by opposition and political parties are accountable to people by facing elections.. i really don't understand how can Judiciary I mean collegium don't have transparency and accountability.. and Judiciary is facing corruption charges and Favouritism led to nepotism... In any where in world even highly developed and democratic countries like USA, UK , European countries which doesn't have "Judges appointed by judges " = collegium system.. I totally understand independence of judiciary is essential and healthy for democracy and to protect the constitution.. In My opinion NJAC like structure in which judiciary has to be majority say will b good n unique to India and lead to good example to world..

[@InderDhaLiwaL08]

Last line of defence for a democracy is the Supreme Court. No other institute, in present day has same legitimacy in public opinion than supreme court. As all other institutions who are supposed to hold the government accountable and in check are working with the government.

[@h79guf]

Karan comes well prepared and it seems Justice Lokur didn’t expect questions on alleged nepotism in judiciary.

[@debashisbanerjee7082]

Karan another excellent interview with an excellent highly respected former judge, Justice Lokur. My take on the matter, in the recent past most judgements have been favourable for the government, be it Babri Mosque or Rafael . ( just as examples ). Is it now that the government is not so certain of a favourable outcome of some future important cases? So the insistence of representatives on the search committee? Otherwise why challenge the separation of power? Just a thought of a lay common person.

[@hrishihru]

wht a stupid logic ... judges did their job .... results were favourable for the people n all have accepted ...based on truth

[@purushottam4728]

The problem of nepotism and favouritism in supreme court and high courts comes from inteherent castism and religious biasedness leading to lack of diversity. The court should refrain from recommending relatives to bar and benches to a much higher degree e.g. it is reduced to less than 10%. The courts should increase transparency at each levels of decision making so that moral pressure of learned citizens and academicians act on them. The time frame at each process even for government should be fixed so that every appointment or judicial decision is speeded up.govt should bring a law for Indian judicial services exam at the earliest.

[@neonirwal]

1. Govt. is the biggest litigant, how can it claim role in recommending judges? 2. Nepotism exist in judge recommendation, but no way to ensure recommendation transparency. 3. Where is the report of those two lawyers, who analysed through 11.5k suggestions after SC quashed NJAC in 2015?

[@azimzaheer3508]

We need a T N SHESHAN as CJI Supreme court of india

[@raincloudgj]

God save this country.

[@MithileshKumar-ul2on]

Govt of India gets recommendation but Supreme court thinks that Govt should always concur with their opinion. Judges are supposed to be appointed by President. The appointing authority must be considered the highest decision maker and collegium opinion can not be considered a binding on President. This is what Supreme court is not ready to accept.

[@tin55949]

Killing independence of Judiciary by Legislators will harm Democracy both at Union and State level …ruling like Ayodhya, Raffael , Demonetisation etc will be ridiculous for our Country ..

[@kk123mine]

Govt Representative prevents favoritism and nepotism