WI v. Chandler Halderson Trial Day 1 - Curtis Van Pelt - Victim's Supervisor

[@Sparkplug2286]

I gotta say, I absolutely adore this judge. He is intelligent, kind, soft spoken, calm, informative, personable, and brings a relaxing atmosphere to the court room and, even more importantly, the jury. He genuinely seems like a good man and someone who will be fair and thorough - and that seems to be in the minority for many judges I’ve watched on many trials or have known/spoken to in real life. So props to him!! ❤️

[@muellerphyllis]

He has this huge cute curl on his forehead. Love it!

[@JoyDan347]

Luv him

[@michellestlicitra9105]

I agree ❣️

[@tinavasquez7206]

I love his collection of bowties! They make him look stylish and like a fun spirited person. His voice/tone is incredibly soothing and pleasant! 🥰

[@rite2bcreative]

I like him too! Very calm and pleasant. I'm sure it helps put the jury at ease a little and be able to focus on their task vs if they were in a tense environment

[@hollyobaby6949]

Watching the whole trial... I'm not sure why but the man coming in on his day off to see if Krista came in has me sobbing suddenly. She clocked in early and didn't take long lunches. As someone who does the same I find it nice that she was respected outside of her family. I'm really not sure why this has me crying the way I am.

[@danmaltby3271]

its shocking even Charles Manson loved his mom

[@reloadpsi]

​@@danmaltby3271 In the words of Mr. T: "I'm a mama's boy. I pity the fool who ain't one."

[@yellowsubmarine7073]

Man this defense has NOTHIN. He is wasting everyone’s time and money🤦🏻‍♀️

[@Ann-TheRealAnnW]

Agreed but he still has the right to due process. Thank goodness for the constitution and the presumption of innocence. I do completely agree with you however

[@janellie1985]

It’s like they aren’t even trying. Are they incompetent public defenders? I’m concerned he’s gonna be able to appeal based on ineffective counsel. :/

[@redbeard4787]

@@janellie1985 in my uneducated, 'I am not a lawyer' opinion, it seems they are doing the bare minimum so they can't be sued for malpractice

[@maggieryan6988]

Chandler gets to say how he wants to plead with advice from his attorney. He doesn’t have to listen to their advise. They are hired to defend him. His lawyers can only do so much with the case they have. It’s all in accordance to the constitution.

[@elizabethgrogan8553]

@@janellie1985 His defence team knows he is guilty. They can only do their best. They can't pull off miracles. They may well put forward some evidence of mental illness later.

[@kandy7142]

The amount of lies Chandler told along with evidence easily will put him in prison for the rest of his life. Such a horrible tragedy.

[@AngelGonzalez-pd4cn]

That was not a tragedy, that was a very calculated MURDER carried out in the coldest blood.

[@richh9570]

I think they need to arrest his girlfriend too. She knows exactly what was happening, she took screenshots of his locations when he was in those weird locations. Seems to me that she took screenshots show she could put the blame on him incase they got caught.

[@janellie1985]

@@richh9570 wow, that’s a speculative stretch.

[@LCx829]

@@richh9570 you’re joking? Your detective work is terrible.

[@tauresattauresa7137]

@@richh9570 snap chat...

[@trashbandic00t]

The saddest part of this whole thing is how much chandler’s parents loved and cared for him and others. Seeing coworkers discuss how kind his mother and father were and how they tried to do everything possible to find them is so heartbreaking.

[@jodiosborne5056]

Finally a personable judge! I have watched so many trials lately where the judges were absolutely rude to everyone in the court room. This judge is warm and gracious and does his job. 👏👏👏

[@ji1072]

Yes agreed. He is very polite. I like his hair…I know that’s silly to say.

[@cg-ny9078]

@@ji1072 OMG. I found myself thinking that I liked his hair too and his bow ties are nice! Thanks for making me feel less silly for thinking that!

[@casketkey6303]

@@ji1072 not silly! He looks very professional and put together. I’ve seen judges who look like they barely put any effort into their appearance in the court room.

[@Angel-tw3ko]

He still doesn't beat the judge in GA though

[@KT27RN]

Omg I just went to the comments to say “wow I really like this judge!” Your comment was the first one I saw:)

[@bonnemoms5413]

Oh Pam. My heart is breaking watching you. I can see your heartache. Hugs and prayers. I cannot imagine the pain you are all in. I'm so sorry you are all going through this.

[@CatalinaFOIA]

I feel so sad for her as well, something about her demeanor is just gut wrenching; complete sadness. She really loved her neighbor friends. 🙏

[@PickledPepperz]

This judge is exemplary! Professional, kind, and gets the job done.

[@islanderbyrd1881]

Unbelievable how Chandler's crimes affected so many people's lives. Everyone testifying in court, family, neighbors, co workers, investigators were traumatized by his actions. He really thought he could outsmart the legal system. All he should have done is tell his loving parents he was having depression and needed help. They would have done anything to aid him to get well. Instead he weaves a complex "web" of lies in which he gets caught up in. Even at that point he could have come clean but decides murder is the only way out. 🥵😮‍💨☹😱🤕

[@LJT9393]

I can already see the interviews years down the road when Chandler is asked about his parents death and STILL says he didn’t kill them.

[@tinavasquez7206]

@LJ You know he will deny it to his dying day. Remember him saying in his interrogation "I wasn't there when it happened". He never showed a stitch of remorse during the trial. He just stared straight ahead with this blank/dead look in his eyes. It was eerie.

[@Ocrilat]

It's nice how respectful and good natured the attorneys are to each other. You don't usually see that.

[@c.2538]

I don’t think the defense attorneys even like their defendant lol everyone knows he’s the worst.

[@Ocrilat]

@@c.2538 It's possible he admitted to them he killed his parents. The attorneys never said he was innocent, just that the state didn't prove it. I've seen a lot of people, including some attorneys, criticizing their performance. They all mostly ignore the fact that the prosecution had mountains of evidence. (not counting the closing argument...that was pretty bad imo) I saw one 'KZbin Attorney' say if she here the defense attorney she would have supposed an 'other person' to blame so creating reasonable doubt. The problem is there was no possibility of another person being at the house or killing the parents instead of Chandler. I guess she didn't actually watch the trial.

[@Jilli8310]

Many people don't take into consideration that most of the time the Prosecution and Defense are actually friends outside of the court room. My entire family are Attorneys and/or LE. One of my uncles who is a well known attorney in my area, is best friends with my county's DA. Before the DA was a DA and my uncle was a civil attorney, way back in the day, they both worked as public defenders together. In most places it was a requirement to work as a Public Defender for a while before moving on. We have Christmas parties with the entire DA's office present as well as public defenders, civil attorneys and defense attorneys. Everyone knows everyone outside of work. Most people do get along. It's nothing personal, it's just a case. People on the outside looking in, take things a bit too personal. Now there are people that just don't get along, but it's like that in every profession.

[@Ocrilat]

@@Jilli8310 I'm sure. But it's still an adversarial system. What I've seen in Wisconsin trials is very different (in a good way) than in any of the others.

[@Jilli8310]

@@Ocrilat I do agree with you, although I have only witnessed a few trials in Wisconsin as opposed to other states. Edit: I wanted to also suggest that the Judge in this case is extremely well mannered and does not seem jaded and cranky. I have noticed in my own work in court that the judge's mood sometimes sets the tone for how everyone interacts. We just have to admit this is a great judge and an awesome prosecution team!

[@lorikirkpatrick2653]

This Judge is so kind. It also seems that after watching several other testimonies that this mom and dad were well loved.

[@darlenependleton3150]

The judge is very personable which makes for a less stressful environment, my opinion and most importantly, helps ease the nerves of some of these folks! :)

[@jeskaaable]

I like the judge, he sounds a bit like a gameshow host. "Any objection ?" "No your honour." "THEN IT IS RECEIVED ! You may go to the next level !"

[@unluckynumber7]

😄

[@lonelylantern9135]

I like him too, and I find his mood appropriate. He is very professional. He has a lovely voice which does not accentuate the grisliness of the trial, which I think helps minimise trauma.

[@freethinkeralways]

As sad as this case is, I love this judge thought of wearing cute bowtie 😀 & hairdo.

[@tinavasquez7206]

@@freethinkeralways I love him too! I am so thankful that a judge of his caliber was assigned to this trial.

[@crystalshaw8744]

😅😊😅

[@christinebeider2514]

You can see how upset Pam is. She is trying to keep herself together. What this guy did to his parents is disgusting. They didn't do anything to deserve that. This reminds me of the Joel Guy case.

[@tourdedogue4952]

Joel Guy looked proud of himself, and evil throughout the trial. This has a different ring to it, with the same unemotional look, but missing the crazy look.

[@shilohm6558]

@@tourdedogue4952 But both of them still murdered both of their loving parents in cold blood, for the most selfish despicable reasons, and completely dehumanized them by mutilating their bodies, in the most depraved and heinous of ways! It takes a special kind of psychopath to commit such atrocities.

[@tourdedogue4952]

@@shilohm6558 I agree the atrocities are hard to categorize other than pure evil. Zero remorse when they see the crime scene photos is what bothers me the most. I do not know the difference of the clinical terms for Evil - sociopath or psychopath, but I tend to lean towards the latter as a serial killer and the former, a pathological liar who will do anything to get what it wants. A sociopath seems to live more freely in our society. (a guess)

[@tourdedogue4952]

@@shilohm6558 I also think of him dismembering her body. He gets to her upper legs...the arms. He sees his mom naked. omg

[@lyndawadsworth8572]

@@shilohm6558 I might add both of them entitled and too lazy to get a life.

[@ellenaudree]

The most awesome judge I have ever witnessed! I love it!

[@SeauxNOLALady]

This judge is just a doll!! He speaks with kindness and respect towards all in his courtroom.

[@susiepittman601]

I hope his mother never saw it coming. She seemed to really love him.

[@AnonymusLeConnu]

Too much love can b harmful sometimes. Sweets r delicious but too much cause diabetees. A 23y old guy shouls know who to reach in case of a probl. His mummy shouldnt go around letting neighbours know the baby has a booboo. Thats why he became a lazy 💩 expecting everyone to cater to him

[@mallninja9805]

@@AnonymusLeConnu Cool story bro do you hire out your psychic parenting services? 🤡

[@soude85]

@@AnonymusLeConnu Who knows when his mother wrote the note, could have been from years ago…

[@barbaramcmillan3835]

​@@soude85 Pam agreed that the arrangement was for the Wednesday when Bart had a dentist appointment. Crista was looking out for Chandler because she believed he had a concussion and all the related garbage he was claiming.

[@braindetritus]

@@AnonymusLeConnuit always feels better to blame the victim

[@cynthiaguarino2016]

This whole case is like a repeat of the Joel Guy case.

[@michelevillafana3008]

Another lazy guy who killed his parents instead of getting a job.

[@KatJ3st]

This guy was so pathetically incompetent. This must have been a rage incident not calculated. He's not that together in any aspect of his life.

[@ericahensley0]

Agree and that's who I thought of as well!

[@angelapyle7301]

@@KatJ3st I agree with the exception that it wasn’t calculated. I believe it was calculated because of the engraved bullet Chaz gave his brother.

[@anons000]

@@angelapyle7301 meh idk about that

[@normagrimstad8869]

You can see that Krista’s friend Pam is devastated.

[@Beaukaydee]

Reminds me of all the lies Casey Anthony was telling everyone.

[@a_mo__3455]

Yep, same thought. Also Grant Amato and Jennifer Pan committed murders after their lies cought up with them...

[@shelldotshell]

Yes! This is just like Jennifer Pan! I thought of that case as soon as I started researching this case.

[@luckewoman0348]

@@a_mo__3455 check out Christopher Porco also.....same loop of lies and deceit with parents. Grant, Casey, Christopher Porco, Joel Guy Jr. and Jennifer Pan....a bunch of selfish, sociopathic kids....

[@robertwalker9679]

That broad killer her daughter for sure! Yeah remember the part where she took the cops to Disney and after walking around for a while she admitted she didn’t work there.

[@jacksmedullaoblongata7659]

So much more detail and "receipts" with email in this one!

[@maryreynolds5310]

What's so scarry is this could happen to about anyone's family. Well, you know what I mean. It makes one wonder. This was a regular family doing the normal life. It's just crazy!

[@michaelkensington2494]

This would never happen to my family. You have no idea what you're talking about

[@tinavasquez7206]

@@michaelkensington2494 Never say never. That's all I will say.

[@amongdae]

Pretty sure Mitchell thought the same thing at one point. And look. @@michaelkensington2494

[@brittdawgggarfarf1882]

@@michaelkensington2494SMH and here you show your ignorance

[@sarabear7828]

Ok but if I ever get murdered and my murderer is on trial, I’m screwed. They always call witnesses to prove how punctual and reliable people are. Whereas I’m known to not keep an appointment or 2, half the time bc I forget an half the time bc I change my mind 😅

[@kaymarie4851]

I feel this. I got a super late diagnosis of ADHD and so I grew up to become the most scatterbrained, latest, and inconsistent communicators 😂 like it might take a while for anyone to notice I was gone.

[@angelapyle7301]

😂😂😂😂

[@benjaminperez1149]

Just awful to see how CH impacted so many lives. There is lots of anguish in many testimonies.

[@irishpastry3534]

I like the judge so much respect

[@ErikS-]

It is always women that say this when its a male judge. And vice versa otherwise.

[@irishpastry3534]

@@ErikS- lol .. you dont like this judge ?

[@elizabethgrogan8553]

@@ErikS- I disagree. Some Judges recognise that it is difficult for all these witnesses who knew the couple.

[@jesswarner3254]

@@ErikS-or you have confirmation bias. I’m willing to bet on my hypothesis.

[@0BIWANCANNOLI]

I’m so deeply sad for them, just watching her have no idea what’s going to happen is so haunting.

[@tmcurly]

Did he honestly think he would get away with this??

[@michelevillafana3008]

He is demented enough to believe that he can

[@silverlady1118]

No idea how he thought that, but apparently he did think that, crazy

[@dloadthis1617]

He's a Class A PSYCHOPATH,,, Homicidal maniac.

[@harrynac6017]

He's still denying. So apparently he's still thinking it.

[@yellowmelancholy4875]

It’s crazy that people think they can get away with a murder like this these days. For one, there are security cameras everywhere; businesses, homes, intersections. It’s really just a matter of time until law enforcement puts all the pieces together.

[@CatalinaFOIA]

43:33 This poor lady looks so very sad, it's gut wrenching 😢 💔 The sadness is written all over her face. I will pray for her 🙏 ❤️

[@CatalinaFOIA]

Lady named: Pam Sidwell 🙏 I'm so sorry for the loss of her neighbor friends. 😢

[@josiedively6537]

She was so loved. This is heartbreaking. You could tell how much her coworkers respected her.

[@susanmalone6109]

Loving this judge. Need more like him

[@edgybarbie77]

The defense is one of the worst I've seen in trial videos. I realize they don't have much to work with but this is ridiculous. There are definitely questions they could have put forth & objections not being made. It won't be fair to the victims family & friends if this is overturned on appeal for ineffective council. They will be further traumatized.

[@gennyzelis2303]

Holy cow!l! Christa's work friend & his gf showed up at her house right after the murders!

[@c.2538]

Lots of people really cared about them ☹️

[@l0kn0xx83]

Right after the scattering of the body parts

[@justmyopinion3764]

Jurors have to bring their own lunch? I thought the court provided lunch, and if court runs late, also dinner??

[@brittdawgggarfarf1882]

I suppose it matters if they're sequestered or not?

[@annriedmuller]

This judge is awesome. And his hair!!!

[@bernieheartdragon1888]

This judge is ME! On level one thousand plus on candy crush and concerned that everyone gets some food in their tummys! lol he mentions food so much during this trial.

[@acetale]

same 💓💓💓💓💓🥺🥺🥺 you gotta be in Italian like me, feeding everryyboddyyyy.

[@bernieheartdragon1888]

@@acetale haha! I AM Italian! 🇮🇹💖

[@coldsuncrowfeet]

Weird comments

[@nothingbutthetruth2145]

I really like this Judge.

[@Ms.Brightside77]

This is just a petty comment , but the female prosecutor keeps stumbling over her words and making little errors and it’s making me crazy! Her co/ counsel is so smooth it’s hard listening to her

[@BKLisaP]

I thought it was just me! She's very annoying.

[@acetale]

yeah shoulda just kept buddy asking the ???. his voice is like butter so smooth

[@barbaramcmillan3835]

I agree it was very annoying when she was laughing at her errors. As if none of it was serious and didn't matter . Some of her arguments against the possibility of parole were heartfelt, but the DA's presentation following hers was excellent. Right to the point.

[@brittdawgggarfarf1882]

@@barbaramcmillan3835are you serious, BARBRA? Rude as f

[@brittdawgggarfarf1882]

Do you mean the defense attorney ?? Do you know what prosecutor means?

[@mixedupmargie]

These are the shortest questions ever

[@suzymac4121]

Can someone tell me what the video represents or am I missing something. That lady is not even listening to replies. I can't tell if she is for the defense or the prosecution. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

[@jbeebs1]

The mom picking up Chandler a pop on her way home from work the day he killed her.

[@suzymac4121]

@@jbeebs1 thanks I had no idea who was even in the video. No explanation 😕 thank you

[@angelapyle7301]

My question as well, what was the evidence the video showed. Was the mom shown in the video?

[@RyanMcNatt]

Actually, Krista Halderson wasn't murdered until around 5pm. That video was around 1pm. She might just be stopping in to on pick herself up something.

[@suzymac4121]

@@RyanMcNatt I found out later he txt her to ask him to pick up a soda

[@carissaexplainsitall8481]

Sure hope my kids don’t turn on me like this 😳

[@karenmorente7589]

My condolences to the family. So sorry unfortunately more common than ever before. What a waste.

[@MickiD255]

I really like this Judge.. Chandler you should be ashamed of yourself. Buy buy forever and I pray yr brother don't give you 1 cent.

[@deannajack6755]

I like the stores name" quick trip" 😂😊

[@taydriver5199]

Same it's so cute!! 😄😁

[@MickiD255]

I love Quick Trip we have them here in Iowa.

[@deannajack6755]

@@MickiD255 is it a quick convenience store? If so we have Sheetz and WaWa

[@kathrynrobinson9989]

It's a lot like a WaWa

[@hnyweelz8771]

I’m in Ks and we hv them all over one of the best convenient stores around. We also have 7/11 but they aren’t nearly as clean,quick, or friendly as Quick trips are. As a matter of fact if you have children in the car or if you’re elderly you can press the attendant button at the pump and they’ll come out and pump your gas along with whatever you need in the store. It all stems around a young mother years ago that ran in the store left her boy in the car it was freezing temperatures outside and some guy jumped in the car. When the mother saw from inside she ran out, while trying to get her son out of the backseat the guy continued driving at a high speed and her son who was caught in the seatbelt and was dragged to death. It was awful !!

[@TaharkahX]

If they had kicked him out sooner, he just would've massacred them sooner. I can't think of anything these poor victims could've done.

[@freethinkeralways]

Abortion? Who knew...

[@ProudElefant44]

No, but parents do need to pay closer attention to their kids and their behaviors. Letting them play video games and not asking questions who their friends are, will only make their kids disrespecting them. It’s also obvious that he was jealous of his brother. When his brother was hospitalized, the psychopath made up a story how he “fell” and “hurt himself”, so he could get his parents attention.

[@tmp1111]

They should have asked for his grades at the end of every semester. The lie went on too long.

[@freethinkeralways]

@@tmp1111 They might have. I guess those r easy to forge nowdays

[@taylorbug9]

Until we start looking at what is different in the brain of a killer and the brain of a normal person, we'll never know if anything could have been prevented.

[@irishpastry3534]

Makes me think of Grant Amado this case

[@rachelcamden9346]

He definitely needed a better defense council though- I now completely see the importance of an effective defense council- as annoying as they are, and seems like they’re morally corrupt.. An effective defense council that paints doubt in every area- keeps the accused and convicted from being able to call a mistrial… or successfully appeal.

[@barbaramcmillan3835]

I agree, many of their objections were pointless and achieved nothing, whereas obvious problems were not objected. However, it seems that his new attorney believes there is nothing to appeal, and described it as "pointless". No wiggle room at all. Fortunately.

[@RemmyFox19]

The judge is great . I love his bow tie and lil curly q hair style

[@danielkeirsteadsr6939]

Please remember if you are asked a question in court, it is either Yes or No. Not Um hum , yup or nope.

[@ProudElefant44]

Ok, judge Judy 😂.

[@iadorenewyork1]

Or "correct".

[@cchanel6348]

@@ProudElefant44 I guess it's Judge Karen. 🤣🤣

[@lp6196]

Bart and Krista shared the same wedding anniversary as my husband and I. When they were asking her boss if she had scheduled any time off I knew he was going to say the weekend of July 30 and I was right. 😢... Breaks my heart.

[@bonnemoms5413]

The video they play at the 13/14min spot is then establishing the last known living sighting of the mother victim. I've seen a number of people asking. Hope this helps!

[@gennyzelis2303]

I took it as them wanting to show what she got for her lunch break. It was only at one something wasn't it? I thought she didn't get off work til at least 4. He killed dad at between 10 til 2-3pm. Then he texted his mom asking her to get soda on the way home. That was to delay her coming home, the prosecuter said, so he could move things around before she walked in.

[@average_life]

@bonnemoms Thank you for the time and effort to make this easier to follow! Unfortunately, the female prosecutor is messing up, having to frequently correct herself or be corrected... It makes things more confusing at times. I worry that some of her errors could result in a mistrial or dismiss.

[@average_life]

@@gennyzelis2303 regardless, showing the video did not have a clear purpose or intent established by the prosecution. It would still appear to be the last known recording of her alive. 🥺

[@angelapyle7301]

@@average_life So, the woman in the nurses uniform was the mom ? If so, did I miss where the attorney pointed out that the woman was the mom ?

[@RatherBHunterthenPrey]

Woman prosecutor is terrible

[@321_Relax]

Does the judge have his ear pierced or is that a mole…

[@bonnemoms5413]

Haha I saw that too!

[@azhaircountess9798]

I thought he had gauges at first lol

[@aykindrum3735]

So am I right in thinking that it was the girlfriends mom that blew the thing wide open?

[@suzintex2002]

Yes. Ironically, if was Chandler's gf's mother's gf who actually owned the farm he planted the gun and left his father's torso at.

[@Tedlouie]

Yup!

[@barbaramcmillan3835]

Yes, it was Dulce's fiancé, Cres, who was suspicious of his actions and called in the law..

[@rachelcamden9346]

wisconsin for real needs the death penalty…. like what in the what- what?! so many murders be happening here- that are beyond atrocious. Death penalty wouldn’t have been a question here… or at least shouldn’t of been. Then again you never know with what just happened in the Florida trial of Parkland.

[@brittdawgggarfarf1882]

The death penalty is immoral and costs more than keeping someone in prison for life

[@ericahensley0]

"all the windows were open"

[@zachgreenwood6313]

The defense team is awful! They don’t even cross examine the state’s witnesses?!? I know they don’t have much to work with, but neither did OJ’s attorneys. I’ve seen lots of cases where the evidence is stacked against a defendant, and the defense usually puts forth a small amount of effort. Not these defense attorneys.

[@markholbrook3949]

Dudes beard looks like something you'd wear on halloween....

[@michaelkensington2494]

Shut up with your two follicles on your chin

[@Tedlouie]

The fact that 13:02 is the last recording of Mrs Helderson alive and the prosecutors says nothing…what does that mean! I’m so confused.

[@c.2538]

It’s not- I thought there was footage of her going into her home. No?

[@Tedlouie]

@@c.2538 Nothing I’ve seen? She/her car was probably picked up on ring cams around her home, but I’m pretty sure if there was a good “last” video of her - we would have seen it. However my main point was I missed why we were watching what we were watching 😊

[@barbaramcmillan3835]

No, I think they were just demonstrating the last time there was evidence of her alive, but obviously, she'd be in work in the afternoon. Her car was seen on the neighbour's video arriving home after 5pm, and seen going out a couple of hours later when Chandler went shopping.

[@claycollins8973]

Her voice pierces my soul. Ugh

[@Tedlouie]

52:18 what? 😱 did chandler and his dad have an account that the prosecution is looking into? Confused.

[@barbaramcmillan3835]

I don't think so, they were just trying to demonstrate the last financial activity by Bart, when Chandler had suggested they were alive later.

[@danamccarthy5890]

There were two accounts for Bart, one joint with Krista and one joint with his rotten son.

[@LourdesGzz]

🤔 the minisplit guy was questioned to bring up attention to the ventilation needed after the murders right?

[@pipr5070]

I think after he burned their bodies in the fire maybe

[@thatlaserlady3899]

No, it was to show that vart wouldn't have made an appointment if he was planning to go out if town.

[@LourdesGzz]

@@thatlaserlady3899 ooh! That didn't occur to me, thank you!!

[@CatalinaFOIA]

@@thatlaserlady3899 excellent point 💯💥🙌

[@barbaramcmillan3835]

Also to bring attention to all the windows being open when the AC was broken or not working. Normally would keep the windows closed in those summer temps with no working AC. She failed to capitalise on that point.

[@roxdarmurray6634]

BEST opening statement ever by the prosecution! Then, “Attorney” Raymond takes over, she may be the worst ever!! Bizarre & vague questions, lots of pauses & whispering, improper English, many many errors! Totally unprofessional!! Can’t decide if she’s worse than the defense attorney.🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️

[@salvandorum]

I absolutely agree about this woman. Inordinately poor verbal fluidity, hesitant stumbling and a plethora of pause fillers. Who on Earth gave this woman the job

[@kittyearsheadbands8810]

@@salvandorum she’s thinking of the right words to say or she could get objections

[@barbaramcmillan3835]

​@@kittyearsheadbands8810 possibly, but she should have been prepared for that in advance. Sadly, William Brown needed another attorney to help to carry the load; he was very professional throughout, but they really needed another professional attorney.

[@UncleDuTheWatchman]

​@@barbaramcmillan3835what load?!! How hard was this case really? His opening statement alone convicted this lunatic.

[@barbaramcmillan3835]

​​@@UncleDuTheWatchmanAs the Judge and Atty Brown both said, " but the opening statement is not evidence".

[@lavendergal2508]

this female defense attorney is making a lot of mistakes with people and evidence. WHY?

[@karenkollects9277]

She wants a mistrial not happening or do a lousy job for a new trial due to terrible defense given

[@barbaramcmillan3835]

Didn't work, though, did it ?

[@justinhorn2864]

Should have just plead guilty . Al pacino in devil's advocate couldn't have got a not guilt or hung on this case . Defense should just stay home

[@ProudElefant44]

It’s probably the defenses first case ever, so it’s just for experience.

[@barbaramcmillan3835]

No, they both had extensive experience as Public Defenders, but absolutely nothing to work with here. Although, they didn't take advantage of any gaps in testimony or obvious errors.

[@leeshybaby9541]

You know what, without smart phones and everything most of these people eouldnt jave enough info to recall, they are able to check their texts, photos screenshots etc and work oit wjat happened when, without that they could only recall from their memory

[@barbaramcmillan3835]

That's why the Defence kept complaining about the use of texts in evidence. There was so much of it, and it was nearly all compelling.

[@TeaSpiracy]

This Judge is just adorable. His cute curl is endearing

[@acetale]

seriously 🥺🥺🥺💓💓💓wish he was my grampa 🤣😅

[@paulmoreno6279]

Creepy story

[@cdelane3335]

Love the judge he is definitely paying attention.

[@TheGoatedOneHo]

Has he been charged yet ?

[@kyleknapp1985]

This lawyer is a hack. How many times did she mess up? Then she dismissed a witness and oops had to ask another question.

[@jimmydaniel2508]

I come to work every day they say come to work. So I ain’t no supervisor gonna tell me I can’t takeoff when I want to takeoff I don’t understand why people work at companies like that

[@yellowmelancholy4875]

It’s really not that hard to be respectful of your employer and co-workers and plan your vacation time so that it doesn’t coincide with anyone else’s time off🙄 can’t really run a business smoothly if everyone wants to take a vacation at the same time. I’ve been at my current job for almost six years, and it’s people with your thinking who make my job so much harder. Having to cover for people who want to take time off without thinking how it impacts others.

[@Jhoodemcee]

Your own moms tho!? Wow

[@CatalinaFOIA]

And she was so nice too. 😢

[@jackie7545]

Very similar to the joel guy trial...no real motive

[@picticiousd4853]

Money was Joel’s object. He wrote it all out in his silly murder planning journal.

[@pelosishammer50]

Yes! I thought the same thing too. I just couldnt remember his name. Just thought dude who put his mothers head in a pot on the stove. Sickos.

[@azhaircountess9798]

Joel guy absolutely had a motive-to continue his freeloading lifestyle.

[@tmp1111]

Money= freedom to do nothing

[@plantlovea.7841]

Chandler doesn’t capitalize Cat’s name in the text, to me that’s disrespectful when you do that, especially if it’s your girlfriend and you’re referring to her to someone who hasn’t met her yet. Notice the co-worker does capitalize names when referring to other people in the texts. I know texts are informal and you don’t have to have perfect grammar and some people have disabilities but capitalizing names shows respect period. Cat is young she can definitely do so much better. These type of men use their families to create a bond with their partners, knowing they have kind and caring hearts, that even if they second guess them, they’re so attached to the family they’ll stay. You can tell Cat was very close to his parents and they loved her and treated her with respect. Realizing that the person you built so many dreams with, it was all fake is eye opening, but it’s experienced gained. All of the victims’ loved ones will hold onto the fond memories.

[@MrOsasco]

Simple. More recently, many are jealous of their parents success in life and hardworking habits. There is nothing the parents can do about it.

[@tourdedogue4952]

Somebody earlier said: If you give people too much they will hate you, or something like that.

[@elizabethgrogan8553]

@Chico Ben I don't know anybody who is jealous of their parent's success. My father was a very successful businessman, who loved his wife and kids. My mother did a lot of work raising money for local charities for children with special needs. We all loved getting involved. Chandlers parents had worked hard. They inherited her parents home and built a new house beside it. Successful parents set a great example for their children. My daughter is determined to become be a success in her chosen field, just as I am.

[@plantlovea.7841]

@@elizabethgrogan8553 I thought the neighbor sold them the house and then built a house next to them. Also, no one is saying everyone is jealous of their parents. Some are jealous in the sense that they don’t feel like sacrificing and working hard, making their own path. They just want to have all the fruits of their parents success on demand.

[@theresaohman7187]

A good trip to the woodshed earlier in life might have helped but some people are just the devils soul.

[@theresaohman7187]

@@elizabethgrogan8553 look at child killings... theres many

[@karenmorente7589]

This was a cold crime. Their son so calculating . It should not be shocking that such a devious brutal killer is ALSO A LIAR TO THE UNBELIEVABLE MAX.

[@taffycat93]

Court proceedings take so long, I'm afraid I'd have Tourettes as a juror!

[@bellie8009]

What was the video all about?

[@katuhtonik]

try watching it

[@bellie8009]

@@katuhtonik I did watch it. I was referring to the one shown in prosecutor's opening statement.

[@emdrei3237]

Anyone got a heads up on that?

[@bellie8009]

@@emdrei3237 not yet

[@kittyearsheadbands8810]

@@bellie8009 that’s not the opening statement that already happened this is the witness stage and that video is being authenticated by a witness who saw it can confirm the contents

[@paperchain1239]

SO SO different to British courts

[@KaceyIlliot]

Maybe the defense attorney's plan was to give Chandler a great reason for appeals later on down the line for really bad counsil. I understand they have nothing to use for his case but at least appear interested I guess.

[@barbaramcmillan3835]

He had no defence, because there was no defence. They had video evidence of everyone who came and went during the whole time, and no-one else was there at the relevant times except him. Plus, he told so many ridiculous lies, many unnecessary.

[@megandevellis6399]

What’s with this dudes beard?

[@jnnlis]

There’s nothing wrong with his beard. Picking on him for no reason.

[@angelapyle7301]

I see no issues with the mans beard

[@karenkollects9277]

It needs to be trimmed it would be look much better I agree. He is going to be an electrician hope it does not catch on fire.

[@a.garcia8086]

Something is alittle odd

[@salvandorum]

She is a terrible speaker and guilty of all the linguistic errors the one should not encounter in Court She is an embarrassment to her profession.

[@KimMarshall44]

Maybe police your grammar first?

[@redwingsfan3621]

@@KimMarshall44 The OP’s grammar is perfect. And nothing was edited.

[@reviewyourlife5358]

It isn’t perfect. There should be a full stop after ‘Court’.

[@GMarie.]

@@redwingsfan3621 did you forget about full stops or something?

[@reloadpsi]

​@@redwingsfan3621 Reminds me of that infamous comment under Sonic.exe's old Creepypasta entry claiming that story had no spelling or grammatical errors. There were tons of them.

[@susanmalone6109]

Anyone know what the judge and court clerk are doing on their computers?

[@SP-ej4tb]

No defense WOW!

[@yakyzambra1809]

I think the whole head injury situation needs to be looked into further and is more important than has been portrayed thus far. I also find it hard to believe he could have pulled the whole thing off on his own with nobody's assistance of any kind.

[@ACryin_Shame]

It's fake, just like everything else this kid did. He lied so much it snow balled. Why he thought killing his parents would solve his problems is beyond me.

[@LCx829]

I believe he shot his parents with the gun his friend gave him. Then he dismembered the bodies. He could easily do this alone. Look at Joe Guy Jr. case.

[@tourdedogue4952]

I agree! He's a rather skinny kid and both his parents are much chunkier. I'm sure him just carrying his dad's torso would have been pretty heavy. Like, maybe dragged?

[@elizabethgrogan8553]

@@tourdedogue4952 He used ropes to pull the dismembered bodies. He also had a ramp in his car. He dismembered his parent's bodies to make it easier to move them. No help whatsoever.

[@boottheeeeeee]

@@tourdedogue4952 that’s probably why there was a rope found around his fathers torso. He dragged it.

[@beakt]

Right at 37:35 that would have been awesome if the attorney said, "Wow. You must get all the babes!"

[@mitchp4303]

Very similar to the Grant Amato case from FL

[@croach2194]

A witness who does not bring her reading glasses? Same witness does not answer any calls unless she recognizes the number which means she misses all emergency calls. This is a woman who lives in her own little bubble.

[@bonnemoms5413]

I am not that far, so I don't know what you are referring to yet, but not only do I know people like this, none of that in itself is a crime.

[@Lady.Luck.]

In the age of robocalls I'm starting to understand a bit more

[@GirlyDeadpool]

I don’t answer calls from numbers I don’t know. They can leave a message and I’ll call them back. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@snc0023]

lol most people dont answer calls from numbers they don't know -- because they are all telemarketers and scam calls!

[@AliceA333]

Krista's boss said she didn't request off for the cabin vacation she text Chandler about. If Chandler ever had a job, he might have realized that people need to request vacation days to take vacations. They babied him to such an unheard of level, they created an actual monster. If your 23 year old is "grounded", you're doing something wrong. That isn't close to normal. They wanted a baby, so he threw a tantrum & killed them with 5 mins of planning like a baby, didn't understand the gravity of what he did, & told them baby fibs so he could play video games. This is what they decided to do though, I'm not surprised he killed them instead of getting grounded from his girlfriend again. That isn't an appropriate way to handle a grown man, it's psychotic. The parents are crazier than him.

[@ZombieMiezz]

Victim blaming is just gross

[@freethinkeralways]

Really? I haven't heard this. Do you mean Chandler's parents didn't let him to see his girlfriend because he lied about attending college & having a job?

[@angelapyle7301]

I’m sure he lied about getting grounded 😂

[@AliceA333]

@@ZombieMiezz You're right, victims have never done anything wrong. You thinking it's gross means they DIDN'T baby him, you're brilliant!

[@AliceA333]

@@freethinkeralways No, they just found out about the lying & all the fabricated school emails the day of the murder, but it was something that happened consistently throughout their relationship

[@January.]

Petting your beard incessantly is so disgusting

[@michaelkensington2494]

Shut up!

[@avgrim7729]

I can't make it in today I can't seem to find my legs!!

[@elainetalling1797]

Nob