Lawrence Krauss answers question on Science & Religion on Q&A

Lawrence Krauss addresses (00:37) a question from a year 8 Catholic Student who wants to study theoretical physics. The discussion goes on for quite a while - other panelists weigh in on their views on religion and science.
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[@udaaz]

The woman - "don't say galaxies it hurts my brain. I believe in God." So fitting.

[@topologyrob]

Foolish comment. Fundamentalist anti-religionists are so on the nose by now - go back to 2006.

[@TheMarcQ]

@@topologyrob Let me check.... yeah... Religion is still stupid.

[@frankanderson5012]

@@topologyrob Ironic then that you too make a foolish comment. Presuming that R is 'anti-religious' and using the word fundamentalist which describes someone typically who follows an ideology - you know, religion. Go back to the dark ages.

[@cosmoshfa88savant66]

Religitardation at its finest HAHA,,,,,

[@StaticBlaster]

@@frankanderson5012 yep. They should go back inside their caves and quit using technology which are byproducts of SCIENCE!!!!

[@sherazade82]

Thank god for Lawrence Krauss. This conversation would be brain dead without him.

[@stevo2992]

I saw what you did there.

[@topologyrob]

He just says a bunch of ignorant anti-intellectual crap - he has no idea what he's talking about. Creepy sexual predator too.

[@afsar_gunner5271]

Prof Lawrence Krauss should stick to science and not worry about religion but worry more about his fading Hairline.

[@hazeshi6779]

Ah the real important matters then

[@himwhoisnottobenamed5427]

@@afsar_gunner5271 Ah, a personal attack. How typical. 😒

[@RockNRollFan2413]

I love Lawrence's little proud smile when the kid says he wants to pursue physics.

[@paulramirez632]

"There should be nothing that's sacred. Everything should be open for debate. Including religion." Awesome.

[@unggrabb]

Religions should be ridiculed. Often. "Faith is the concious suspension of rational thought".

[@ismailali975]

@@unggrabb If I know that God exists and that Muhammad is his messenger is it irrational to follow him?

[@unggrabb]

@@ismailali975 it would appear irrational if you cant prove "why" you believe that something exists. And i cant say that no supernatural being exists, only that i (and no one else either) has ever seen any proof.

[@ismailali975]

@@unggrabb What if as is the case in my situation that I can prove that the God exists and that Muhammad is his messenger and he brought a law (ultimately from God). Would it be illogical for me to follow?

[@ismailali975]

@@unggrabb Also what do you deem as a logical way to go about living?

[@DerekWong967]

Lady: Science hurts my brain so i just take walks and fantasize about things bigger than me

[@godisbollocks]

It was the most basic b*tch take that a person can have on such a deep issue.

[@thomasnikoleris7643]

Talking about black holes hurts my head, so I will be lazy and settle for a magical friend that will handle everything for me.

[@paulzhang1310]

@@eldarcasta1981 no free will in religion...

[@paulzhang1310]

@@eldarcasta1981 ...you go to hell if you don't believe in your god..that's not free will....

[@paulzhang1310]

@@eldarcasta1981 in religion no matter how good you are as human being still going to hell if you do not believe in god.....again that's not free will..

[@paulzhang1310]

@@eldarcasta1981 ... You go there if you reject God... not Free Will.

[@paulzhang1310]

@@eldarcasta1981 choose what ?...your god is a dictator

[@mjack2822]

Thank you Lawrence for always being bold.

[@topologyrob]

Boldly foolish - he simply is incredibly ignorant about religion.

[@ianworcester4640]

@@topologyrob and his foolishness is by determined choice not science.

[@arrow5878]

let me remind you galileo said the earth revolved around the sun and the church placed him under house arrest for his science . A century later the church was made to look foolish when he was vindicated . open your mind and read another book instead of one .

[@BK-pl3vy]

@導引頭真相 Oh surely you don't want to go there. The "moral" teachings of the bible has resulted in the largest gathering of pedophiles that has ever existed. Under the protection of the Catholic church, they have flourished like never before

[@rahulchhetri794]

Bold?

[@glutinousmaximus]

In 1954, Einstein made it abundantly clear in a letter: - I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. _Albert Einstein_

[@TheWorldTeacher]

🐟 04. SCIENCE Vs RELIGION: The English word “SCIENCE” originates from the Latin noun “scientia”, meaning “knowledge”. The English word “RELIGION” originates from the Latin verb “religare”, meaning “to join or unite”. It is the equivalent of the Sanskrit noun “yoga”, meaning “union (of the individual self with the Supreme Self)”. The PHYSICAL sciences are an empirical approach to knowledge. They rely on experimentation, based on observation of the natural world. Observation is dependent on the senses, the senses are dependent on mind, and the mind is, in turn, observable by the intellectual faculty. The mind and intellect are phenomena arising in consciousness (even if one considers that mind is a function of the brain), and therefore, all empirical evidence is gathered and recorded in consciousness. See Chapter 06 for a complete description of consciousness/Consciousness, and to understand the hierarchy of epistemology. It is impossible to establish the existence of anything outside of consciousness. How will one observe particles and their mechanics without the existence of consciousness? Consciousness is axiomatic for any statement of knowledge. All that can be said or known about the world is a phenomenal appearance in consciousness. Anything else is speculation that can NEVER be definitively proven or demonstrated. So, for example, when a person looks at a tree, he or she is not actually seeing the tree in any direct sense, but interpreting an inverse image projected onto the retina of the eyes. Therefore, there is no real evidence (or at least, no conclusive proof) for the external world, APART from consciousness. Likewise, there are no sounds in the external world but solely within the mind, since vibrations do not produce an audible sound until they strike one’s eardrums, and the signal is conveyed to the brain. If the corresponding parts of the brain were to be artificially stimulated in the same manner, the experience of the sight/sound would seem identical. That explains the Zen koan: “If a tree falls in a forest, and there’s nobody present, does the falling tree produce a sound?” Refer, also, to the thought experiment known as the “Schrödinger's cat” hypotheses. As Lord Śri Krishna so rightly states in “Bhagavad-gītā”, the King of All Knowledge (“rāja vidyā”, in Sanskrit) is the Science of the Self. At the time of writing, material scientists are beginning to explore the “hard problem” of consciousness. Assuming homo sapien society will survive for at least a few more centuries, there will come a time when the majority of professional scientists will acknowledge the primacy of CONSCIOUSNESS. Indeed, if humanity is to continue indefinitely, it is necessary for not only this concept to be imprinted on the human race but for it to be acted upon; that is to say, we humans must imbibe the principal tenets presented in teachings such as this Holy Scripture, “A Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”, and actively follow them to a very large extent. The alternative is the extinction of not only humanity, but of most (if not all) biological life forms on Earth, due to environmental degradation, and immorality as a consequence of nihilism. So, just as the physical scientific method is based on hypothesis, observation, and repeatable experimentation, so too is METAPHYSICAL science. The hypothesis for supernatural science is, that there is an eternal ground of all being, and that 'it' is conscious, of a steady state (i.e. imperturbable peace), and that everything tangible and intangible is inherently of its nature. In the case of mysticism, the repeatable experiment is known as “religion” (“yoga”, in Sanskrit). Read Chapter 16 for a description of the four systems of religion/yoga. When a sincere and suitably-qualified aspirant CORRECTLY practices the scientific process of ‘yoga’, under the guidance of an authoritative pedagogue, he is assured of realizing the fact of the unity of the totality of existence, and achieving union with that Divine Principle, just as every enlightened sage has done for millennia. The symptoms of a person who has achieved union with the Supreme can very easily be confirmed by an accomplished yogi, in the same way that physical phenomena can be verified by a trained physicist (cf. Chapters 16 and 20). Some of the greatest physicists of the twentieth century, including Neils Henrik David Bohr and John Stewart Bell, have hypothesized that quantum particles, such as photons, have no precise location in space (quantum nonlocality) until they are PERSONALLY observed. This phenomenon was later demonstrated to be a scientific fact. Whether this should be regarded as proving that the physical world itself is “nonlocal” is a topic of debate, but the terminology of “quantum nonlocality” is nowadays commonplace. The following formulae is the so-called “THEORY OF EVERYTHING”, much sought-after by theoretical physicists for the past century: E=∞BCP (Everything is Infinite Being-Consciousness-Peace) Alternatively, and more simply, expressed as: E= A͚ (Everything is Infinite Awareness) For a thorough explanation of the above equation, refer to Chapters 05 and 06. In summary, actual science and actual religion/mysticism are IDENTICAL, because Reality is singular. However, one deals in the realm of observable phenomena, whilst the other deals with the inner-world of man, particularly with the subject (i.e. the ultimate observer of all phenomena, as described and explained in Chapter 06). To quote Austrian-American physicist Fritjof Capra, “Science does not need mysticism and mysticism does not need science. But man needs both.” Without authentic religion, scientific endeavour is prone to moral corruption and nihilism. Without objective scientific evidence, spirituality is susceptible to sentimentality and fanaticism. “Consciousnesses is [defined as] that in which all experience appears, is that in which all experience is known, and that in which all experience is made.” ************* “Everything that we know or experience is known by consciousness, appears in consciousness and is a play of consciousness; just like the dream you have at night appears in your mind, is known by your mind and is a play of your mind.” Rupert Spira, English Spiritual Teacher. “Both observer and observed are merging and interpenetrating aspects of one whole reality, which is indivisible and unanalysable.” ************* “In this flow, mind and matter are not separate substances. Rather, they are different aspects of one whole and unbroken movement.” ************* “Relativity and quantum theory agree, in that they both imply the need to look on the world as an undivided whole, in which all parts of the universe, including the observer and his instruments, merge and unite in one totality. In this totality, the atomistic form of insight is a simplification and an abstraction, valid only in some limited context.” ************* “Science itself is demanding a new, non-fragmentary world view.” David Bohm, American Theoretical Physicist, From “Wholeness and the Implicate Order”

[@Wayfaringwolf]

@@TheWorldTeacher That's too fucking long.

[@TheWorldTeacher]

@@Wayfaringwolf, how “LONG” is it, Mrs. Wolff? Twelve centimetres? 🙄😸🙄

[@TheWorldTeacher]

@Scott Scotty, in your own words, define “TRUTH”. ☝️🤔☝️

[@TheWorldTeacher]

@Scott Scotty, so you ADMIT that you use words of which you have no idea of their meanings, Slave? 😬

[@OZZIESPOCK]

He said morality often comes from religion, then lied to cover his arse, and said "I said it CAN come from religion", and attacked Lawrence for being snide.

[@ramaraksha01]

Religion transforms an individual 1. You go from condemning nasty Dictators like Putin who reward their loyal supporters, scum they may be & having those that did not support them subjected to rape, torture and even death TO Praising the Lord who will reward his loyal supporters(Heaven), works don't matter, scum they may be & all those that did not support the Lord will pay for eternity brutalized in hell! 2. You go from mocking leeches/freeloaders/prostitutes/gigolos as vermin, unfit for human life TO hoping after death you get to live of eternal comfort shamelessly sponging off a Sugar Daddy in the sky 3. You go from being proud of your hard work, the sacrifices you have made, proudly tell everyone that everything that you ever got was hard EARNED! No one gave you anything TO Down on your knees, begging and groveling, crawling into heaven down on your belly 4. You go from condemning evil the likes of Hitler, Racists who abuse ALL blacks TO Condemning ALL unbelievers to eternal torture in gas chambers in hell, now no better than that Nazi, Racist and you might even be black while spewing this hate! And even more amazing - completely oblivious to the change that religion has done to you Even more amazing - NOT ONE EDUCATED PERSON IS AWARE OF THESE CHANGES! NOT EVEN ATHEISTS!

[@scottg6754]

@@ramaraksha01 I make a version of this rationale all of the time.

[@griff404]

"often comes from religion" it means not all the time. he put it in a different way "it can come from religion" in both instances hes making the same point that went completely over your head because you love Krauss. hes rude and often times too emotional when stating the facts.

[@Jeff-tj4tx]

The entire panel is completely outgunned by Lawrence krauss

[@ArtofFreeSpeech]

To be fair, however, LK outguns most of the human race. ;)

[@juddbourne2334]

Krause can’t prove God doesn’t exist which makes his arguments moot!

[@onsenguy]

@@juddbourne2334 it's not possible to prove a negative. that doesn't only apply to religion, but to any negative. suppose i assert that pink elephants exist. no zoologist in the world can "prove" that they do not. are we therefore to conclude that they in fact do exist?

[@ArtofFreeSpeech]

@@juddbourne2334 And you can't prove bigfoot doesn't exist, or the flying spaghetti monster. Does that make them real?

[@svendtang5432]

@@juddbourne2334 in no way . Its exactly his point.. God is irrelevant because he cannot be falsified.. Its a catch all. But you need not prove a negative.. You need to prove the claim that God exsist in this case and nobody has even been close in any religion. Even God himself for which it should be easy to know how to prove hself to anybody.. Even if they doubt

[@adespoja]

Is it just me, or does everyone here think Lawrence is the only sane/rational person on this panel? Sad but true.

[@joabjohnstone5217]

Plenty agree

[@AFMMarcelD]

I second that sentiment 100%

[@robertlewis9132]

"It is whatever you want it to be" is an admission that it is a figment of imagination.

[@craighorton8339]

Thank you for the clarification Dr Krauss. I admire your integrity.

[@topologyrob]

Integrity? Dude, get a fkn grip. What an ignorant creep is this Krauss

[@lynnlynn1317]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4Tae6iFhaxnfKs👍👍

[@misterright8626]

Science flies you to the moon; Religion flies you into buildings. (Victor Stenger) Religions: they can't all be right but they *can* all be wrong!

[@adsensedd]

If god created man, why did man create so many gods?

[@maow9240]

@@adsensedd because people dont want to follow God. People want to follow their own ruled so they create false Gods to make it ok to do what they want to do.

[@nahshon9998]

@@lit2701 Only one God proves Himself to be true through his bible. But there are a lot of false gods just as there are a lot of false theories, like evolution.

[@blancaroca8786]

Mister right. They can all be wrong and are all wrong. Even one religion cannot be right because that religion is split into sub cults which mutually disagree and so on and 1- 1/2 - 1/4 - 1/8 ..... equals zero.

[@pacman6163]

"Science flies you to the moon; Zionist extremists will demolish 3 buildings and tell you religion did it." Mister right wrong again.

[@ahz4877]

Thank you Dr. Lawrence! I couldn't manage so much nonsense without getting angry; I wish I could but I'm not as patient not as wise as Lawrence is.

[@topologyrob]

He peddles endless ignorance and nonsense when he steps outside his own field. If you are patient enough to listen to Krauss on religion, as he fuddles about, you are a very patient person. Wise?? Hahahaha.

[@mattorr2256]

@@topologyrobyou again. Where’s your examples of these things? You yet again state the sane basic nonsense then do not back it up with anything Krauss said. Were onto you topologyrob. Idiot…

[@mattorr2256]

@@topologyrobyour ignorance knows no bounds. Your comment doesn’t relate at all to the entire post. We’re not all ignorant idiots as you so obviously are…

[@mrkutty0]

Why are most of these people on the panel so ignorant and stupid?? Gosh!! Lawrence is the man I love his courage to take on these fools.

[@saiyagneshchadalavada8851]

Can Lawrence Krauss be the new fourth horseman since we no longer have our beloved Hitchens?

[@howtodoit4204]

I wish they all go

[@topologyrob]

The only one with anything worth hearing is Dennett.

[@Broomful]

I miss hearing hitchens would love too see him on the Joe Rogan podcast and more debates with theists and deists.

[@genestarwind4610]

Ricky Gervais said it perfect. " If all holy books disappeared they could never be rewritten exactly but if every science book disappeared. They would come back exactly"

[@topologyrob]

And what is the point of that? It's only fundamentalists who think science and culture are equivalent. It doesn't make science more valuable than the arts/religion.

[@genestarwind4610]

@@topologyrob Clown the point of that is science leads to objective truth. Religion doesn't. So for reality Science is more important.

[@avarmauk]

@@topologyrob actually it does. Religion played no part in you being able to watch this video and comment on it. Science is FAR superior to religion in every respect.

[@avarmauk]

@@topologyrob I don’t expect an idiot to understand science. Evidently

[@avarmauk]

@@topologyrob yeah my Bachelor and masters in science says otherwise dickhead

[@thileepkumars]

Lawrence killed them all 😂

[@kimjones9811]

Nope he just spoke loud that's all

[@kimjones9811]

He didn't even answer the question properly

[@antonioreis5591]

@@kimjones9811 why do you say he didnt respond properly?

[@peteraschaffenburg1]

@@antonioreis5591 Kim says he doesn´t answer the question because he/she didn´t like the answer. Or, didn´t understand the answer ;-)

[@antonioreis5591]

@@peteraschaffenburg1 True XD

[@plavyn]

The panel, apart from Lawrence, wouldn’t know a coherent argument if it hit them in the face

[@crimescene08]

Lawrence is so confident in his arguments. His intelligence is crazy when it comes to reality vs these fables.

[@topologyrob]

He simply is clueless and naive as hell on culture.

[@crimescene08]

@@topologyrob yet you're here watching his videos lol he's clueless to your sky God?

[@topologyrob]

@@crimescene08 I don't own any God, and it's weird how you bring up the sky. But def this bozo is utterly clueless on culture in general and religion specifically. He needs to get to know CP Snow's arguments. And it's not "his" video, it's a video of the excellent ABC Q&A program which he is on making an arse of himself.

[@crimescene08]

@@topologyrob once again it's great you're watching and supporting.

[@topologyrob]

@@crimescene08 yep supporting our ABC

[@BedsitBob]

"It is whatever you want it to be." I'll try that about the law, if I'm ever in court. 😁

[@jr2299]

Lawrence is the only person in this discussion that has any common sense at all.

[@ctwentysevenj6531]

It comes down to this. Enjoy life and the wonders of science and logic. There are no magic men up in the sky.

[@Make_Boxing_Great_Again]

2:00 “Believe me it will be on tape somewhere we’d have seen it before” lmao at how much the host completely missed the point and made himself look stupid.

[@bejoypradeep]

You know...when i walk around my garden....mmm....uhh...you know ..god...WTF

[@SandraLovesRoses]

LMAO - your comment would be even more funny if you say when I stumble around

[@Jonathan-wj6uh]

This made me laugh. Thanks

[@sliceofbread29yrago52]

Excellent:)

[@kantraxoikol6914]

vapid and baseless and utterly without proof.....THATS GOD YES GIVE US MORE! duh

[@kshitij1947]

Can science disprove God? Who proved God exists in the first place How can someone disprove something which hasn't been proved

[@ArtofFreeSpeech]

I like to come back at that question with "can you disprove Bigfoot? Unicorns? Vampires?" The burden of proof lies on the person with the affirmative position.

[@starfishsystems]

Most god claims are unfalsifiable, which makes them uninteresting to science.

[@kantraxoikol6914]

so you believe in angels and unicorns? whatever, just don't tell me or my kids that you believe and that we're going to hell if we don't

[@TheLastWalenta]

God cannot be disproved but your statement makes little sense and you should avoid using it in the future. In fact, it is true that anything that has been proved cannot be disproved, as it has already been proven. Humans need water to live. That is proven and we cannot disprove it simply because it is proven to be true. On the other hand, no one has proven that humans need to eat meat to survive, which is a statement which I can disprove. I can disprove this statement (which, again, was never proven in the first place) by either demonstrating this on a causal level through nutrition gastrointestinal science, or by providing many examples of vegetarians or vegans who survive without eating meat. The real reason that any god cannot be proven is because it is unfalsifiable. Proving the non-existence of anything is impossible. Here are two examples: 1) You have a third thumb. Oh, but you can't see it, but it's there. It doesn't give off heat or pull on your other muscles, etc, but I assure you it is there. (In this example, no matter what you say, I can come up with another retort and simply repeat that your third thumb still exists. It is unfalsifiable.) 2) Think of every thing ever said about any god in human history. Now, instead of "god", insert "a teapot revolving around the sun." I cannot prove to you that the teapot cares about you and asserts itself in your life, but you cannot disprove to me that it doesn't do that. You can't prove to me that it either does or does not exist. And this is because disproving the existence of anything is impossible because non-existence is unfalsifiable.

[@kshitij1947]

@@TheLastWalenta everything that has been proved right can also be proved wrong if it is wrong, for example 9th planet Pluto

[@overthehill370]

Krauss is doing his best to explain science to those of us who don't have the education to understand the concepts involved. So much of the tech we take for granted exists because of the work of scientists and theoretical physicists like Krauss. Science works.

[@bigboy9983]

'It is whatever you want it to be' No dear, it's not. It may give you comfort, it may make you feel all fuzzy on the inside, but that does not make it true.

[@christophermallett8166]

@Ed Straker so despite all of the evidence regarding how long we have existed on this earth and our evolution as human beings, you think it's "fantasy"?! What a moron. The only fantasy made up world is from people like you who truly believe in something written a few thousand years ago that is OBVIOUSLY not true to any sane person.

[@mihaimoldo]

What a childish thing to say. She should have said, I don't have anything intelligent to add here so I'm going to pass.

[@kantraxoikol6914]

not to mention, when we make things how we want them to be and not how they ARE, that's called psychosis. it's dangerous

[@VoodooChileJ11]

“I said CAN come from religion.” What he actually said: “Morality, which often comes from religion…”

[@mihaimoldo]

That happens when you get call out on your shit. You backpeddle and squirm

[@johnbrown6189]

If morality comes from religion why don't people practice what is pointed out as moral behavior in the writings in religious texts? If the "i said can" guy does get his morality from religion he could kill Krauss because Krauss is a non believer. I fact if he doesn't he is going against what the texts prescribe.

[@robertmseaman]

Well said Mr. Krause.....

[@wolfeddie]

Dr Krauss is the man :-)

[@mysteryteacher9]

Most people don't even read the Bible. Yet they quote it, or rather misquote it constantly...

[@heir5896]

what about this video : kzbin.info/www/bejne/maeanXaIYpx0gbM

[@mysteryteacher9]

@@heir5896 Very strange how from two completely different platforms I just got responses from things I commented on a year ago...I think I need to start thinking abou this...

[@roder51]

@Ed Straker how you could read the New Testament and not believe in a Creator. Very simple. Read it.

[@philuresky2993]

@@roder51 easy...... read the new testament.

[@cosmoshfa88savant66]

The Buy-Bull........

[@serberious]

The woman in white probably still believes in Santa Claus.....

[@ArtofFreeSpeech]

Wait... are you saying there's no Santa Claus??? ;)

[@Anicius_]

Einstein summarizes this coexistence by writing that “science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind”. Einstein's idea of religion is iconoclastic because it focuses solely on the feelings of mystery and human concerns and eliminates divine interaction.

[@robinghosh8891]

Greatest Physicist Mr. Lawrence...Very Beautiful in depth Scientific discourse

[@MrMattSax]

The woman who first responded to Kraus, in so many words, said “I am comfortable in my ignorance and too stupid and lazy to contemplate these complex issues so I just believe”

[@avarmauk]

Imagine being orders of magnitude smarter than the average human. That’s what it’s like to be Lawrence Krauss.

[@elviejodelmar2795]

“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.” ― Buddha Siddhartha Guatama Shakyamuni

[@james-r]

5:24 “morality which often comes from religion, can inform people’s perspective...” 6:00 “I said “can” come from religion” no you didn’t, you said it “can inform people’s perspective”, not “morality can inform people’s perspective”

[@heir5896]

what about this : kzbin.info/www/bejne/maeanXaIYpx0gbM

[@SandraLovesRoses]

that guy said morality often comes from religion, then he gets offended by krauss and said it can come from religion.

[@vodkarage8227]

It's true though, the bible was mankind's attempt at making order and explaining things. You weren't supposed to eat certain animals because god viewed them as unclean is translated to: people were getting sick so don't eat that. They didn't know about germs or many other things. The world is a scary place without knowledge. Religion attempted to rectify that, and despite how much I dislike religion, it very well may have helped the earlier human race thrive. Well, up until the dark ages anyway, and not all religions; think Mayan religion cutting out hearts for sacrifices to their gods.

[@MissMariQueen]

@@vodkarage8227 Facepalm!!!!!

[@WhoThisMonkey]

4:15 "now you're hurting my brain." That's called thinking, if she practiced it more often it wouldn't be such a strain.

[@WhoThisMonkey]

At 6:00 he stated that he had said "can come from religion" but if you rewind, he clearly said "does come from religion."

[@paullever2085]

Thank you Lawrence....just wanted to thank you.

[@lynnlynn1317]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4Tae6iFhaxnfKs👈🏻👈🏻

[@parisiennemoonlight6650]

Humanity and Rationality is what I believe and preach.

[@johneckerle9480]

Lawrence hit that 😂

[@lynnlynn1317]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4Tae6iFhaxnfKs👈🏻👈🏻😊😊

[@kpjlflsknflksnflknsa]

they should lose the twitter feed on screen, no one cares and it distracts from the real debate

[@TheBossJovi]

Black listed this video is free rite?

[@roder51]

Couldn't agree more. That will give you an idea that this show screams ATTENTION and they still lose.

[@funjuror]

I go into my garden and I look about me and I see birds eating worms many insects doing unspeakable acts on other insects, the struggle of our feather friends daily to survive all the climatic conditions and not be devoured by the neighbour's cat. I see the remains of a horrific death caused to my hens by a fox. Ah, the joy of our loving creator.

[@vigorvitales]

bill fish THIS. This troubles me about life and God.

[@semperreformanda6100]

As a Christian, I find it very troubling too. It’s very saddening to see what people on my side will classify as ‘the fallen state.’ The latter part of Romans 8 has brief, but interesting commentary on how the creation is being subjected to futility, not in vain but so it can be redeemed. This is a real touchstone of hope for believers. Not trying to be preachy or anything, just sharing another perspective… Christians are troubled by the many of the same things people of other traditions. (or lack thereof) Could I ask what you think drives your empathy for animals in general? Would you consider that empathy an evolved value?

[@funjuror]

@@semperreformanda6100 My remark was simply to show the cherry-picking that goes along with most religions, the panelist when asked what made her believe in a loving creator said the beauty of her garden. My point was that if she looked closely at the garden world, that there is as much horror going on, but it is hidden a little. So if she viewed her domain with better vision and saw the horrors would that still inspire her to see a loving caring creator? To answer your question on morals, my empathy for sentient creatures comes from the evolved fact that we have always needed to get along with one another, and to do so involves giving the same respect to others that I would like to receive. One could say it is a selfish act designed to elicit a response to our beifit. If we went around hitting each other on the head then a stable comunity would not have a very sound foundation. You probably guessed I speak as an atheist. :)

[@semperreformanda6100]

Interesting insight, thanks for elaborating further! It seems to me that panelist had a very surface-level view of the world, if that was what she really believed. Sort of an amalgam of new ageism and moral therapeutic deism. I don’t think there’s a more non-committal view that a person could have. Would you agree that what she articulated is more of a vague superstition than a faith? There is sort of a brutal beauty within nature. Autumn is one of the prettiest seasons to me, but the thing that makes it beautiful are the dying or already dead leaves. It’s a hard reality, no matter how you interpret it. I think you would have to agree that what you said regarding morals & empathy is essentially the golden rule. We will obviously greatly disagree on where/when/how that rule originated, but nonetheless, it is a wonderful value to hold. One that I wholeheartedly cling to as well. Can I ask what groups sentient creatures includes, for you? Just humans, or other living things that have some type of consciousness? I’ve seen some cases of people who are atheists also being or becoming vegans in the pursuit of practicing their worldview as consistently as possible. Most notably Cosmic Skeptic, if you’ve heard of him.

[@versioncity1]

The very last point is actually the most relevant. That how atheism is viewed in the USA is quite different to most other western nations. From listening to various discussions about atheism I've realised that in the states it's practically a very different issue in terms of society and interpersonal relations. Certainly my experience of living in various european countries is very different from how it seems to be in the USA.

[@sanctious]

Every skeptic should stop saying "God" and start saying "gods." Think about how every dialogue would go.

[@NobleVagabond2552]

The Guam Guy I like this idea honestly

[@ElCID40000]

Hear here. Been saying that for years. The simple addition of a letter - 'a' 'god' or 'gods' - puts these silly myths in their proper place and might help finally drag the masses away from these puerile delusions.

[@klaxoncow]

What I like to do is enumerate. E.g. "whatever god, gods or God you might believe in". (Throwing in "god" and "God" - as common and proper noun - can only really be done in text, but drawing the distinction is important.) And, of course, every once in a while, throw in a gender switch: "so if we assume there is a Creator to the universe, then why would she do this?". Or, indeed, switch it to "they", as who says there's only the one god? And I can confirm that this works well. You can then debate the overall question of deities, without folks bogging you down in the exact beliefs they have of their particular deity. And, yes, by consistently doing that - sort of "rubbing it in" that there are a whole wealth of different beliefs out there and theirs isn't privileged in any way (except maybe just being the most culturally popular one where they live) - it does change the tone of the debate. As Lawrence has it right that every devout believer is, in effect, an atheist to all other religions. And you're kind of leaving that fact out there in the open throughout. If you say "god, gods or God" then their response then has to defend all the possible deities simultaneously - defend the notion of any deity at all - which puts them on the back foot, as they don't believe in 99% of the gods out there either.

[@knives2718]

Lol. I remember that one time Michael Shermer used that gender switch in a debate together with Lawrence Krauss (Opposite D'Souza and Hutchinson). The audience laughed at that cheeky and almost sneaky remark.

[@candeffect]

One God the Creator. Many make-believe gods. Many make-believe junk scenarios in evolutionism and atheism.

[@paullever3713]

Thank you Lawrence....

[@topologyrob]

Why thank a bozo for spreading ignorance?

[@SpeedomusicSM]

I love when they say " I believe..." Why do you believe it tho?

[@PaulRybicki83]

Complex things give me a headache therefore there is a god. Brilliant

[@malemd]

Thank you thank you thank you Lawrence Kraus 🙏🙏🙏

[@klaxoncow]

"This incredible energy in the universe that binds us all together?" The Force? Obi-wan, is that you? Or do you just mean electromagnetism? Covalent bonds, ionic bonds and all that.

[@alankoslowski9473]

Exactly. She seems to be speaking of intuition and nothing more. It seems to be a vague feeling of awe toward the enormity of existence. That in and of itself says nothing of explanatory or tangible relevance. It's just a warm, fuzzy feeling and nothing more.

[@pacman6163]

Atheist know it all zealots. Nothing worse.

[@alankoslowski9473]

@@pacman6163 As opposed to theists who think they know something when they actually don't?

[@pacman6163]

Atheism is nothing more than a straightjacket

[@alankoslowski9473]

@@pacman6163 How so? I can live my life without worrying about god judging or otherwise toying with me. That seems more liberating than theism.

[@jonathangallacher8176]

I feel like an alien who’s just turned up on some backward planet..I honestly cannot believe that people believe in religious nonsense these days

[@blancaroca8786]

the dinosaurs roamed for hundreds of millions of years yet never needed to evolve much intelligence. It can often be counter productive to maximising offspring. Humans are not compelled to use logic and seek truth by any evolutionary force, more likely that evolution demands manipulation to acheive rather mundane goals like dominating resources and other people by whatever means and not showing weakness by admitting defeat aka stuborness. Seeking higher truths is simply not an evolutionary necesity, simply a possibility.

[@ahmedfox5935]

Yeah you're actually right!! as I myself cannot believe that people still believe in nonsense like something could actually come from nothing,, and guess what that thing may actually be?! A whole complex universe with complex life on it! So I really find that the part of aliens and backward planet very amusing to me now!

[@jonathangallacher8176]

Ahmed Fox I’m sorry you don’t understand what scientists mean when they say ‘nothing’. If you believe in fairytales written by people thousands of years ago claiming that magic is real I feel sorry for you. All the best 😊

[@ahmedfox5935]

@@jonathangallacher8176 Even fairytales were based actually on "something" that is both funny and memorable! While on the other hand we have nothing 🤭. And for some people to believe that this nothing could actually create something then I really am the one to feel sorry for you!

[@jonathangallacher8176]

Ahmed Fox we don’t have an example of nothing so I don’t understand what you think you mean by “nothing”

[@wilsargisson3626]

Imagine thinking that "science can't disprove God" is a compelling point. Science can't disprove my invisible friend Fred, the 50-foot tall pink rhinoceros, either.

[@wilsargisson3626]

@Rip VanWinkle TL;DR

[@lynnlynn1317]

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[@DarthDefiler]

Was this talk held at the Avengers Mansion?

[@xDMrGarrison]

Could you upload the whole thing? Even if not, thanks for uploading this :)

[@scfu]

***** In the process of uploading the full debate :)

[@SandraLovesRoses]

Not sure if you did, and this comment is 3 years later, but thanks! @@scfu

[@rixenjacob]

@@SandraLovesRoses kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmHVqaGcq5WgsMk

[@jamesc7277]

Science and religion serve different functions in people’s lives. One doesn’t need the other, and there is no reason for either to deny/exclude the other. Neither can absolutely disprove the other. Both exist. If they allow ‘peaceful coexistence’ (i.e. don’t fight with each other) they can both exist, each serving its purpose.

[@georgeritmeester4736]

Science doesn't fight with religion. Where did you get that idea?

[@StaticBlaster]

My answer "No because religion is the polar opposite of science, and Einstein's "religion" was drastically different from organized religion. He saw that the universe obeyed certain laws because the universe is so orderly and harmonious.

[@topologyrob]

It really is not opposite, any more than music is opposite to science. Your view of religion appears extremely sheltered.

[@BedsitBob]

"I think there is a greater force. I'm a believer in a greater force." There is a greater force, but that doesn't mean it must be a god.

[@baxtar1963]

We should all agree that there could be a creator yet to be discovered if it makes you feel better. But to argue that one of the 10,000 religions on this planet is the right one is ridiculous.

[@lynnlynn1317]

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[@attackpatterndelta8949]

Anyone else thinking of the first question “Get to the point kid.”

[@goalski134]

awesome as always

[@gregesch5058]

That chick in the 8th minute seems to reflect deeply on what she is saying (the blonde one on the left). And it does make a lot of sense! She actually engages intellectually. Tons of props to her for it and cookies to her and Krauss!

[@ianworcester4640]

Greg Esch ......the blond lady is reminiscing about the things she likes from church & religion ( splinter in the eye & dont judge others etc etc .).....but she is athiest ......typical athiest , borrowing morality from Judeo Christian worldviews and trying to drag that morality across into evolutionary athiesm . It is absurd , cherry picking and dishonest theft. Evolutionary process will never never never ever give us morality . The Judeo Christian worldview has an absolute monopoly on morality. Krauss can waffle for 50 years about humanism and human empathy and human morality. but its unproven by science . He is dragging philosophy into science ......this is absurdity and is only his personaly opinion based on his feelings to prop up his athiestic worldview. We have absolutely no equal in the animal kingdom to human morality because it does not come from evolution ......we dont have anything remotely close to it. Therefore it comes from a moral God and creator and we have his image and likeness and we have to answer finally to a moral God . Anything outside of this is total delusion , absurdity and lies.

[@SandraLovesRoses]

@@ianworcester4640 blah blah blah duuummmbbbb

[@ianworcester4640]

@@SandraLovesRoses thanks for your opinion .... got anything constructive to say? anything you can substantiate ?

[@blancaroca8786]

@@ianworcester4640 Krauss pointed out that a lot of people pick the good bits from religion and basically ignore the rest, a kind of modern thinker. They dont transfer the ideas from religion, they use rational thinking for thsmselves to identify the good morals in religion like dont kill thy neighbour and they also ignore the bad bits like how to beat your slaves. It is never to late to change your mind. Most of my familly are kind of like that woman atheist christians . Why should we give up our traditions and institutions and leave them in the hands of the crazed blind believers?

[@ianworcester4640]

@@blancaroca8786 Rational thinking hahaha Athiesm has hijacked rational thinking and turned it into irrational thinking , just like its hijacked science and turned it into fake science Blanca ...I personally want a world view that is as close to ABSOLUTE TRUTH as posible . Krauss and all the high priests of the athiest religion can only offer lies , deception and fakery. There can be only 1 Absolute truth.... ok ?? agreed?? For the past 165 years materialistic athiesm has been presenting lie after lie after lie and they keep getting exposed as lies & fakery . My conclusion is I will never get absolute truth from a systematic fasle religion built on theories , presumption, lies ,fakery & deception. But I will get absolute truth from a supreme creator God who is the very essence of Truth . Truth is an unchanging attribute of God . the very essence of an omniscient , omnipotent all powerful God is absolute truth . Everything else leads to lies & absurdity. So I am left to search for absolute truth in a broken sad world where evil , sin and sorrow abound , and the Judeo / Christian worldview is by far the most rational option , with Jesus Christ as The Way ,The Truth & The Life .and he leads me through faith to God. Faith in Materialistic Athiesm & fake science will lead you away from absolute truth into delusion and absurdity .

[@KnockoutInvesting]

People were moral before the invention of the Bible and all the holy books.

[@matthewtenney2898]

How do you know that? Just looking at a deed isn't enough, you have to know the motive behind the deed.

[@kantraxoikol6914]

yeah i know all these sheeple seem to think that morality came only because of unicorns. we only have to look at a pair of rats to conclude they understand compassion and fair play without unicorns. without tooth fairies. and we've been demonstrating that morality since about 6 billion years ago...but god came 2000 years ago to finally set things right? huh?

[@topologyrob]

Yep, and thousands of generations of wisdom and human experience have been distilled into the stories that are part of the major religions. Superficial twerps like Krauss pretend that doesn't matter.

[@victorramirez3148]

Great to see a debate on religious & science. I like Lawrence’s comment that calls out religion on other religion’s as atheists to those other religions

[@NxDoyle]

If it hurts your head and you soothe that head hurt by going for a walk, looking all around you and concluding that the wonderful things must have been the work of a creator because _what else_ could it be, you are engaging in an argument from ignorance. Either recline in that warm bath and never again suffer a hurting head, or accept that occasional head hurties are a common byproduct of thinking, and keep thinking.

[@johnkerr1113]

the stupid woman should go to a children's cancer ward or ponder that 5.2 million children under the age of 5 die EVERY YEAR,,,, a real loving god... she hurt my brain with her stupidity... kudos to Lk for his patience

[@seantiz]

If you want to believe in an invisible magician in the sky who sometimes grants wishes and periodically writes books… sounds reasonable to me…

[@bricjap]

Religion has convinced people* that there is an invisible man, living in the sky - George Carlin

[@mickqQ]

Yeah And he wants your money 💰 💰

[@AMC2283]

@@mickqQ but he loves you

[@stinkinmushroom1280]

Thanks

[@jaitegsinghsidhu2346]

This host is my favourite now

[@t77334]

100percent agree with professor krauss

[@topologyrob]

You really need to work on your critical thinking and rationality then.

[@windigo000]

bloody Larry :) nice

[@richardcrouse9074]

Going to church and reading the Bible and living life is what lead me to atheism. I am much happier now.

[@naughtylittlepuppy5062]

Anyone's got the link to full episode of this programme. TIA

[@streameant]

you say i cant disprove the existence of god, i say disprove to me the existence of the flying spaghetti monster

[@heir5896]

what about this kzbin.info/www/bejne/maeanXaIYpx0gbM

[@ArtofFreeSpeech]

Well, that's because the FSM is absolutely real... his noodly goodness blesses us all. R'Amen!

[@AFMMarcelD]

I’m amazed at Professor Krauss level of patience, probably couldn’t wait to get the hell away from that panel of wankers to have a drink.

[@aphillyate1]

What strikes me is that the Atheist professor is so chill and open to conversation while the religious ppl are brittle, angry and so defensive about preserving the fantasy? The professor is trying to begin a conversation while the religious ppl are trying to shutdown the conversation while lying about it.

[@xtraspace6190]

Lawrence delivered

[@toreall101]

Notice the women always attempt to make points with their feelings.

[@rpietsch9]

Can you prove God doesn't exist? No. Can you prove that Leprechauns don't exist?

[@blancaroca8786]

I think we can now prove say leprechauns and ghosts dont exist and so on for all supernatural stuff as all evidence and facts point these concepts being purely human imaginings and no basis in reality

[@paullever2085]

Belief is not evidence...evidence doesn’t need belief.

[@TheCabIe]

If morality comes from religion (in particular Christian tradition), how did we arrive at abolishing slavery, accepting gender equality, animal rights and many other things we consider to be basic rights now? In the Bible we find rules on how to treat your slaves, women are clearly referred to as inferior to men, animals are there just to serve humans and we are told we can do whatever we see fit with them. After new testament this supposed God apparently decided to stop talking to us and yet we arrived at all these conclusions regardless. 10 commandments aren't some divine rules, in fact, these are basic things required for society to function. It's the more subtle and complex issues that Bible gets wrong and that should be extremely suspicious to the believers - why does a creator of the Universe, who is supposed to be a perfect being, condone sexism, genocide or slavery? Is it just an unlikely coincidence that the moral norms from the Bible coincide perfectly with the people who lived during that time period? Where does God come in then if we have clearly advanced drastically throughout centuries without his further assistance?

[@dannycardona211]

Krauss fucking demolished them

[@mayms9181]

‏I left Islam when I read the Qur’an and the biography of Muhammad, the Prophet of Islam ‏Now I live in Iraq and I can't talk about it even with my family I might be killed, and society will reject me, it's very difficult for me ‏and many Arabs leave Islam every day, but they cannot announce that because they may be killed and of course society rejects them.

[@g26s239]

I hope your situation can change for the better.

[@Steve-in-the-uk]

You are very brave. I wish you all the luck in the world in your desire for a religion free and peaceful life.

[@georgeritmeester4736]

Why not just say you're a Muslim when asked. Would that not avoid numerous hassles?

[@francismallard5892]

She says of religion “it is whatever you want it to be”. Which really means “it’s nothing”.

[@basitraza2684]

Lawrence 👌

[@jimmyb4982]

That stupid question from the audience: "Can science explain how Jesus walked on water?" How do we know that that even happened? Saying you believe it did without providing sufficient evidence is not proof.

[@ianworcester4640]

Jesus walking on water is more rational than something coming from nothing . Nobody told Krauss that "Nothing" is what rocks dream of.

[@blancaroca8786]

Can jesus explain how Thor could fly without wings?

[@ianworcester4640]

@@blancaroca8786 Who is Thor ?? There is no good evidence for Thor or his lack of wings.

[@dainland432]

@@ianworcester4640 there is just as much evidence for Jesus's waking on water.

[@ianworcester4640]

@@dainland432 Jesus had a dozen witnesses Thor nil stock on witnesses. Zilch , zip , nada , zero

[@purugigi]

3:13 “Lawrence Krauss has been accused of sexual harassment”

[@ItsPalm]

Reminded me of that too. Dude interrupts everybody and touches that woman. Wth dude

[@1943vermork]

Yeah but what about the decades of sexual abuses of thousands and thousands of kids by the church? Funny that god did nothing to stop it.

[@cuteflygon]

Because god condoned paedophilia. Look it up

[@ianworcester4640]

Krauss .55 God's kind of irrelevant......hahaha all the best with that when your arse is burning in Hell.

[@ianworcester4640]

@Jin p you already know the answers to your 2 stupid questions.

[@AnkurRoy-bi9yz]

Why would you bring her to a discussion like this? (Not trying to be rude).. It seems like she's never debated this and she's never read any atheist arguments.

[@theguythatmakesyoumad3834]

4:06 "it is whatever you want it to be" We're talking life/death and the meaning of it all level of deep questions to answer, and it can be whatever you want? How is that answering any question...

[@lynnlynn1317]

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[@robertlewis9132]

Definitely Lawrence Krauss is the intelligent one there. The others are typical belief based hacks.

[@genestarwind4610]

They think they can make religion a necessary equal of science. They then get upset once we apply the strict rigid of science to religion.

[@topologyrob]

He's totally innocent on the topic of religion - he appears to have read no scholarly literature on the topic. Typical arrogant know-nothing (about culture) scientist, thinking that scientific knowledge qualifies them to have opinions on culture. Annoyingly pathetic.

[@topologyrob]

@@genestarwind4610 You clearly don't know the first thing about religion. You repeat the primary-school level fallacy that it's about believing things, then expect informed people to take you seriously. Ain't gonna happen. Your dogma is obvious.

[@robertlewis9132]

@@topologyrob religion IS about belief. It is also about human frailty, psychology, social needs, and many other things. But none of the god concepts stand up to reality. They are. Just. Beliefs.

[@topologyrob]

@@robertlewis9132 Only to beginners. God concepts are based in direct experience, and are utterly real, and are not amenable to objective study. You really need to know for yourself - no one can know for you. They're not beliefs. You don't need to believe what you know firsthand.

[@NishGrewal]

6:04 dude lies blatantly lmao yo 😂 he said earlier “most of comes from” then changes to “can”. Two completely different things!

[@roder51]

Politician right there.

[@lynnlynn1317]

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[@blacksonne19]

When Tim said, "I said Can come! Was a real blow to Lawrence.

[@MissMariQueen]

No, he said: "morality OFTEN comes from religion" and when Lawrence took exception to that and humiliated him, he said: "I said CAN come"... So no blow to Lawrence there!

[@shinyheart3373]

That lady pulled out "look at the trees". 😂 I mean, come on.

[@StaticBlaster]

lol. Reminds me of a caller named J.R. on an episode of the atheist experience. He says "look at the trees, look at the clouds, and then ask yourself how can all this exist by pure chance?" Something like that. Here's the URL extension to that video (replace this video's extension with the following): watch?v=2uXaD7iZAxc

[@lynnlynn1317]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4Tae6iFhaxnfKs

[@coffeeandbytes9854]

"Religion describes the 'why'" - No, it doesn't - it only claims to know it.

[@ysgol3]

Exactly, and science is seeking properly researched answers. I find the word 'God' absurd and hate hearing it. However, despite the huge recent advances described by people like Krauss and Dawkins, we're still very very far from understanding practically anything at the most fundamental level. But the search for more knowledge and understanding is so exciting!

[@topologyrob]

You obviously are totally ignorant about religion.

[@topologyrob]

@@ysgol3 That's because you're sheltered and bigoted, and very gullible especially if you ridiculously think Dawkins or Krauss have anything worthwhile to say on the topic.

[@coffeeandbytes9854]

@@topologyrob Oh? So where is the proof that anything claimed by any religion is true?

[@topologyrob]

@@coffeeandbytes9854 It's so cute that you think culture is about being "true", as if it's science. Are you looking forward to your teenage years and high school?

[@IvaLohe96]

Intelligence is different from love ,faith and hope ,u know you have a spirit that's unexplainable dig it Kraus

[@charlesmadison1384]

If you claim that 'spirit' is unexplainable, then your claim is pointless.

[@dericanslum1696]

...very true...none of those things require much intelligence...

[@topologyrob]

@@charlesmadison1384 Not at all - most of what matters can't be fit into the merely rational.

[@KeremHanciPhoto]

Tim Wilson is using demagoguery when he says "I said morality CAN come from religion"... He actually said "[...]morality, which often comes from religion", which is BS and Lawrence Krauss is right to oppose that claim.

[@viccigates3756]

You don't need to know the Artist to study his or her art, yes. But the study of it not only points to an artist but it gives you insight into the artist. Many scientists see how nature declares God.