Why Carlos Sainz should join Williams. I'm Serious.

[@LawVS]

Climb the ladder with me on Patreon: patreon.com/lawvs My socials: linktr.ee/lawvs

[@ATR95412]

Mclaren, Ferrari, Williams. Carlos would've had a dream F1 career if this were the 80's or the 90's

[@sirsancti5504]

Well, judging by "tradition", Carlitos goes for the classics.

[@ToyotaCorolla-qs7ml]

Yeah if he was his dads age man wouldve had like the dream f1 career really, except maybe williams because they started falling apart in the mid 90s.

[@ordep8553]

They ​had a winning car for '96, no? I believe Hill was still there

[@Trihawk7]

and Renault if you include mid 2000s

[@hugoharington263]

@@Trihawk7/ bennetton in 94 and 95

[@Peterishd]

Law appeared out of nowhere and now is my favorite F1 content creator. Or shall we say a real content machine?

[@mattyboyxv974]

Agreed

[@nissan300ztt]

And what I love about this man is he takes time to respond to people. That makes him one of my favorites.

[@superxavxii421]

Same, he's by far the best imo

[@pavelkiselev_youtube]

Same

[@Wingalpha]

He is famous on the anime circle he plays Goku on a certain abridged series

[@chris9650]

This aged like a fine wine. Well done my friend.

[@DominicGreene72]

I like the idea that law ends the videos climbing down the ladder to just get to the bottom and immediately climb back up to stop recording

[@LawVS]

That's not true...I only go halfway down.

[@pavelkiselev_youtube]

Xd

[@soleneptune9498]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@toolegittoquit_001]

He has a remote HA !

[@vinster8884]

Calfs of steel

[@iamhectorreal]

I don't know why I enjoy your Toto impersonation so much, but I honestly really do! May I suggest an entire video about Merc while you present in a Toto accent?

[@Rimmy45]

with the way Toto is he would strike down the video via FOM

[@alex98b627]

This has aged very well 👌

[@nissan300ztt]

I think also Sainz vs Albon will either show Albons true talent or Sainz will embarrass Albon.

[@TleahciM]

Love Albono, but 100% agree. We need to see how FWAlex compares to RBAlex and if it really is that much better!

[@rfldss89]

Unless the williams car turns out to be the bottleneck in performance, like we seem to be seeing with alonso and stroll. Alonso has shown even this year that he's still got what it takes to be at the front of the pack, but whatever mods aston brought recently seems to have bottlenecked their performance, and now all of a sudden he doesn't perform any better than stroll (not to say that stroll's a horrible driver, but he isn't at alonso's level either).

[@nissan300ztt]

@@rfldss89 Alonso is barely in the top 5. Ehhhhh. Alonso should retire

[@lukeearthcrawler896]

I don't think Williams can go wrong with either Valtteri or Carlos. Both are fast and experienced.

[@SamuelSantos_]

On the topic of Logan Sargeant and the Williams academy, the effectiveness of driver academies and wether or not they're actually useful to drivers would make a good video.

[@dominicbarden4436]

I don't know, it still seems like a big gamble. If the power unit is key and Williams are able to be near the sharp end again, they'll need to prevent themselves falling back like they did after 2014. On the other hand, if Mercedes get the power unit wrong, they'll still be stuck. And do we really want a repeat of 2014 in which one power unit had a big advantage over the rest most of the time? If that happens it'll be like we're all going round in circles.

[@MIXDJ3000]

If Williams were a solid midfield team just like the 2019/2020 Mclaren, I think Rookies would be ok but considering how Williams need the data to improve rookies are a risky gamble.

[@frankbieser]

Ultimately, a company is only worth what someone is actually willing to pay for it. Sure, Williams may be worth $1B or so, but is there anyone out there willing to pay it? Andretti's arguably the most serious about wanting in to F1, and they aren't willing to pay it. Waiting for the balloon to pop.

[@LawVS]

That's very true. Their values does not equate a transaction.

[@marksutherlandjr.2121]

@@LawVS I would argue that it DOES lend credibility to the point being made though. That the team is on a trajectory that isn't usual for a team that was just bought by a private investment firm. They have clearly turned a corner snd are of more value today than they were when they were purchased. As a new racing Fan I'm not privy to the storied history of Williams. I know what I've read, but I'm curious why so many people would upvote a comment about waiting for a team's balloon to pop, instead of championing their success and wishing for the best for them. Is their an angle I'm missing as a new Fan? Just seems pessimistic.

[@MatheusC1729]

Depends. That's always the case for any stock listed in the market. Is anyone willing to pay $3.2T for Microsoft? Nope. But arguably Williams could raise a minority investment near this valuation. Renault raised from some Hollywood starts a couple of years ago at a $750M pre-money.

[@frankbieser]

@@MatheusC1729 Yeah, and proving to be a poor investment. ;-) Yes, the valuation could help to bring in a lot of money from minority investors, and they can use that to help borrow money for cash flow purposes (though I'm not sure F-1 teams operate that way). But those who bought teams as an investment will never see a return until the team is sold. As soon as F1 exits it's current "fad" phase, those valuations will plummet. DTS has seen a consistent drop in viewers for 2 years, and given FOM's determination to keep Andretti out, and the declining global GDP, those who would buy in at today's prices will lose money.

[@JHRacer]

As a Williams fan, I would LOVE Sainz to join Williams. He'd almost certainly replace Logan, my favorite driver, but it's obvious he's not staying anyways. Carlos is my second favorite on the grid, I just find him really funny and great, so he'd become my favorite driver. And, Williams would get a much-needed buff that could land us in mid-table and beyond finally. Haven't commented in a while lol. Mostly because I'm coping with how Logan is doing.

[@jok3r906]

Other than I'm not a Williams fan, the rest is the exact thought I had. Thank you for saying it lol

[@digitalgulby]

I can relate. As an American I wanted to see Logan succeed. I have been a Carlos fan for awhile. I think he is undervalued

[@sandratracy1378]

As an American I’m actually very proud that Logan represented us in F1. He handled all the ups and downs with absolute grace. It’s unfortunate that he was driving for a team 20 years behind the times, put all its stock in one driver and doesn’t have a great car. The embarrassment is on Williams and how they let themselves decay so badly.

[@panicbuyflax3461]

Carlos is too talented of a driver for Williams.. maybe Sauber who will eventually be Audi.. this idea of him going to Williams is just a slap in the face

[@digitalgulby]

@@panicbuyflax3461 I agree. This is like the equivalent of Lando having to go drive at Haas. Seems ridiculous.

[@arg_9584]

Man I just want that 2018 Renault line up again 😢

[@gerarduspoppel2831]

That was one nice livery.

[@matnym]

I like how your impression of literally anyone is "old posh person" :D

[@jonathanschell9916]

started getting into F1 a month before the season starts, this channel randomly popped up the first week i was learning about the sport. easily top 5 content creator in the space

[@Lappali]

currently Bottas' problems are the car and Sauber's strategy. He has qualified ahead of Zhou in all normal qualis and once in the 2 sprint qualis. He also qualified 0.5s ahead of Zhou in Monaco, but due to the car's performance it was still only P19. In some of the races he would have finished at least near the points, but unfortunately the lap 1 turn 1 crash in Bahrain, the Strategy in Australia and Japan and the engine blowing up in China means he's behind Zhou in the WDC. In Australia, Japan and China without those problems he would have most likely finished in the points and based on Zhou's p11 in Bahrain, Bottas could have probably been in the fight for points. So it's not Bottas' fault that his performances are bad, he just can't show it in the car he's in.

[@swl0323]

His wheel nut is the problem 😂

[@tetrashere]

aged like a fine wine huge w

[@vilebeastman]

Great analysis. Looking forward to seeing Williams progress.

[@sava3989]

Did Carlos look at this video before signing the contract

[@LawVS]

"Ay ay ay. Law makes a good point."

[@ronintje7647]

Sainz should just join Audi, it might be terrible for a few years but i just can't believe them not making it to the top. VW group doesn't join anything without ending up at the top no matter it being Dakar, Rally or LeMans.

[@TheD2dguy]

Just discovered LAW. Good content and very knowledgeable. What a strange gimmick doing this in an “attic”. But effective! I’d love for him to reverse the camera so we can see the whole set up. The camera angle of him through the ladder kills me 😂. Great work buddy, keep it up!

[@bakiribrahimovic4061]

love your content keep grindin like this

[@marysalinas6947]

Ditto

[@RedBird138]

I'm surprised that ladder hasn't worn out with the amount of content you've pumped out lately! Keep them coming 🏁

[@nyaaa.s]

Blud really predicted the future💀💀

[@treytonlandplayz3151]

Holy prediction. Great job LawVS

[@connorjordan2578]

Who’s here after he signed with Williams

[@theliamoconnell]

Even though i’ve only been watching law for a little over a month now, his upload schedule and excellent insight has made him my favorite

[@dustinmarlow2801]

"I Certainly-Probably said that..." is the best hedge of something you remember saying. I need to use that more

[@gunjantripathi9271]

Everyone wants William to become a top team again but it's dream imo.... they'll BIG changes and LOT of money and luck for that which they don't have

[@CountryofAfrica]

He predicted the future. Can’t convince me otherwise

[@mattwhelan13]

I see it being Bottas to Williams, Sainz to Audi. Bottas to Williams for the sentimental value as he was there before and has been through a new regulation cycle with the team before, he's also an older driver to go alongside Alex. Sainz is the sexier option for Audi and is younger so gives them more time to get them their project together and is a better partner for Nico age wise

[@KozukiCristiano]

Here after Sainz did join Williams

[@TheCrownJules17]

These were almost my exact thoughts/comments from one of the older Sainz videos! Couldn’t agree more Law!! If Sainz joins Williams I will be purchasing some of their merch. They’re my second favorite team behind McLaren already so that will drive me to invest lol

[@Succulents-N-More]

Somehow the KZbin algorithm just recommended this video to me when I opened it up. I don't know how I missed it a month ago I usually catch most of your videos and I can appreciate your take, not to mention the cojones it must take to say some of the things you say while grasping that foam block of yours lol. Just wanted to say seeing as how I found this during the summer break, this video really aged well!! 😏 I honestly haven't paid enough attention to know if you are regularly right, regularly wrong, or regularly right and wrong. But if you are this accurate about such topics as Max and Red Bull, I'm scared. Grab that foam block and hold on to it tight. Heck use it as a pillow. @LawVs

[@UncleFred100]

Bingo again on the analysis. I have been saying since the beginning of this silly season of driver roulette that familiarity will be the key to the future. Personality clashes do no one any good, especially when trying to sort out a car…thus no Sainz to Red Bull, and the whole Gasly/Ocon mess. So from that standpoint, Max/Checo works; Yuki/Daniel works; and I think Alex/Valterri works as well. No noise is good. As to Logan, he’s a nice guy, but he really doesn’t handle pressure well…when he gets behind he over compensates and wrecks. So he goes away, but maybe he winds up at Haas, as he is American, and Gene might like that. And he will be cheap, which Gene also likes. 👍 I’m going to support Williams now, and hoping that they wind up with Bottas. I’m a Mercedes guy, but I like an underdog story as well. Vowels has been super transparent in all of his statements, and that’s a big deal…shows how he must be with his team as well. Good on him, and good luck to Williams!!!😁🤙

[@Jo3man96]

Williams and Carlos fan. If Vowles can end up pulling off their return to the front and keep Alex and Sainz, I’d be mega happy.

[@LawVS]

If they did get back up there, expect those two to stick around for a while.

[@desshinnick9365]

100% The interview where Vowles talks in depth about the Williams plan, you know this is a team aiming for the number 1 slot and implementing plans to achieve it.

[@marauderlc]

No way bro predicted this.

[@Jo3man96]

Law got that ultra instinct. Really though, it’s my favourite current driver going to my favourite team, pairing up with my third-favourite driver. I really hope the car next year is more competitive than this year’s car has been so far.

[@thatonenigeriansformula]

George and Alvin at merc would be a really underrated duo. Too really nice agreeable guys

[@lukeearthcrawler896]

The chipmunk? :p

[@thatonenigeriansformula]

@@lukeearthcrawler896 oops meant Albon lol damn autocorrect

[@Ross-lu6sq]

NIce comments regarding Sargeant. Be curious to see how he'd do with a different car and a boost of confidence. Like him and few other drivers who live at the bottom of the grid (Zhou, Hulkenburg, Bottas, Gasly, Ocon...), we don't know what they're actually capable of.

[@Out_Beyond_The_Heliopause]

Williams have some fab options for that second seat. Any of Sainz, Bottas, or even Lawson would be brilliant!

[@lukeearthcrawler896]

I like Liam, but Williams need a more experienced driver. Passing on Bottas or Carlos for Lawson would be foolish.

[@Out_Beyond_The_Heliopause]

@@lukeearthcrawler896 a very good point on all counts

[@WRC-FAN]

If it's a choice between Audi or Williams I think financially Sainz will be better off with Audi. Right now you are looking at two back marker teams - so you might as well go with the one that's going to pay you the most money - and I think that would be Audi.

[@mandst5466]

Very insightful, nicely done old bean.

[@Mikepaws]

Lower teams being more interesting and the pack closing up. The cost cap is beginning to show its long term effects for hopefully a more competitive and exciting championship!

[@LawVS]

That might get undone slightly if the cost cap gets raised to $220m for 2026, according to rumours.

[@Billy_McLovin_Hope]

10:29 I didn't know that McLaren have a "seat at the table" with Mercedes which is ironic because back in 2010 Mercedes and McLaren split up because McLaren started making road cars and Mercedes weren't happy about that so they divorced McLaren F1 team and formed their own works team. I guess that's all forgotten.

[@LawVS]

I got told about this in the comments and looked it up and sure enough it was true.

[@freyalove3831]

Carlos has signed a team, rumors have it is William. He will announced during the Spanish GP.

[@marksutherlandjr.2121]

Law, wanted to shine a quick light on how cool your schtict is. Your uploads never dissappoint, and your judgment is always sound. Find us in alignment on most all topics. IDk if I thanked you yet for the uploads and the time I know they take.

[@clickbait0351]

Said it once and I’ll say it again. Williams is my favourite team and I 100% believe that with the right leadership (James Vowles) all of the work the team has put in with pay off, I think in a couple years time we’ll see Williams claw their way to the top. It’ll take time and it’ll take patience but we’ll see it and I really hope Carlos sees the potential the team has. I really hope to work for Williams one day they look like a great team to be a part of

[@Mattofthevalley]

This could be a legendary partnership

[@s4rest123]

As a big Carlos fan I’m thinking Williams is a better choice than Audi. They’re already on track and have a great history and s good team principal. Better a bird in the hand as it were.

[@The_ZeroLine]

The other major factor is Audi’d want Sainz to lock himself in for a min. of 3-4 seasons. At Williams, he’ll likely be able to negotiate a highly flexible contract since a top seat’s going to become free ‘27 or ‘28.

[@erik_moenart]

I’ve felt the last year or so that Williams is on the verge of becoming a serious contender. Can’t put my finger on why, but I really think they are.

[@julianarojas2900]

Me rewatching this after Carlos signed with Williams: 😳😲🫢🤯

[@henkow07]

Well, this aged nicely

[@yerriff8115]

4:30 so Red Bull were in trouble before they got Oracle on there in 2022? 😮

[@ncjay08]

The amazing uptick of Haas has shown that being a little off can be fixed when you get the right people in place. No reason Williams can't fix their situation in a similar fashion. You just have to have the right people in the right spot.

[@AJ-zy9jf]

Started watching your channel because you have actual fair criticisms of drivers and know the situations they're in. Some of these other bigger KZbin channels literally just say, "oh they're just not good" and move on while not even realizing the context of each drivers situation.

[@LawVS]

I like to really dig deep as to why things are they way they are...also I like to talk a lot.

[@chosenone6158]

Wtf1 with the ridiculous glazing of certain drivers

[@anandmanickam2051]

@LawVS, I think the reason why Dorilton hasn't change the name is the added heritage bonus the 'Williams' name gets them every year. Just like Ferrari and McClaren.

[@LawVS]

That and the Williams brand is pretty strong.

[@BlissifiedHH]

I think Williams is a great option! They've clearly got decent aero on their car given how "good" they are dispite being so heavy, and Carlos will get alot of support at Williams. And Williams with James is a team that can really go forward over a few seasons

[@shinji8662]

They have Max in Rebull, Antnelli in Merc, Lando and Oscar in Mcl and Stroll in AM

[@ivaneurope]

I'd suspect that Audi might be looking to snap up either Lando Norris, Oscar Piastri, maybe George Russell or Alex Albon when either of them becomes available by 2027. And if he chooses them, Sainz might fall in the same situation he was in twice - first in Renault when he got replaced by Daniel Ricciardo and now with Lewis Hamilton at Ferrari. If he signs with Audi, there's no guarantee that they won't dump him if a driver like Norris, Piastri, Russell, Albon or as a wildcard Alonso (at both Renault and Ferrari Sainz gets replaced by an older driver - imagine if he gets ousted by the much much older Señor El Plan) becomes available on the market in 2027.

[@andrewstorm8240]

Man speaks the truth

[@maryberry4955]

I think Carlos has already signed, both James and Carlos are pretty media savvy. They want to make the most of the exposure and hype, which in turn could lead to more sponsorship thus money. Such a win for Williams if correct.

[@UchihaMadaraGr]

Well, i've become a CS fan , i see the guy trying and he has very good qualities and yes he could even challenge for a title if the car is fitting him (yes... this is major thing in F1, you don't exactly need the best car... you need the best car for you). However, by the current status quo... he is not a priority , he won't be a priority for any big team because they already have their hands full. Williams is a good option though. I have a feeling that after the new regulations they will go up a lot. RB is about to fall .... mostly depends on Newey and if Newey goes anywhere else (like Williams) you have a winner team right there....he is just that good. Ferrari did a TRAGIC mistake leaving him out...And i'm a Ferrari fan for as long as i remember myself . Not saying that LH suddenly forgot how to drive and he will be bad in Ferrari etc , but let's be honest... LH won't work without a strong car. What i've seen in his times of dominance is... that is he is the guy to make the top car...topper!! he really can find things ...past their limit and he is unique in that department. BUT... if he doesn't have the tool... he just won't bother...And let's be honest, he has nothing to prove, he is already in history books...and as much as i'm not his fan at all...we have to respect that. On the other hand Carlos has the hunger, he IS IN the team , he WANTS to be in , he loves what he does, he gives solutions, he works like a maniac , he is a team player (LH is not). LH has a year or 2 (practically is either he gets the title or he goes) and CS could really be there...forever.

[@marksutherlandjr.2121]

James Vowles is my favorite team principle ATM. If Williams is supposed to be fighting for positions in the back of the field, no one told him. He is as Serious as a Heart Attack. He is trying to turn that team into a front marker team.

[@pugna916]

Consider me not convinced. Seems like a lot of this hinges on Mercedes' engine being really good, Adrian Newey and Williams being able to reach the staggering heights of, where they were before Vowles crashed the plane with no survivors. I guess when the other option is Sauber it doesn't matter where Carlos goes.

[@The_ZeroLine]

Sainz and Williams have already hammered out a contract that Carlos is happy with. He obviously hasn’t signed, but it means when/if he chooses Williams, all he needs to is sign.

[@RonaldJapenga]

If Newey joined them as well, that could really help them in the rankings.

[@DarkTechnology1]

Carlos should SERIOUSLY sort this thing out ASAP.

[@Imsoconfusedthesedays]

Anywhere other than Mercedes would be a huge step down for Carlos. And merc is still a step down at this moment. The Checo deal absolutely wrecked sainz’s plans I think

[@georgythomas8451]

The future is not really set yet. Maybe 2025, But if that Merc engine is going to be good as its its being hyped, then Max will immediately jump ship opening a seat for Carlos at RedBull. And i think that is why RB signed Checo, because they will have a safe pair of hands if Max suddenly decides to leave as well as a wingman driver if Max remains there.

[@issaperson2628]

i'm honestly more excited about the money carlos will bring into williams and how it will help the team with spare parts a better car etc etc

[@aditdesai4187]

3:52 you got a bit of a bug back there in your attic, Law

[@soofsofi]

I'm Argentinian, Franco Colapinto fan here 🇦🇷

[@LIA-52]

8:05 Clever word choice ;)

[@Fiasco3]

I think William's might be attractive to Newey, an uninterrupted team/place where he can setup up and go to work. If he can make the Williams faster than they'll be no doubt about his legendary designing skills.

[@Fiasco3]

I think the two engine supplier to keep an eye on for 2026 is Honda and Audi. If I was a driver out of contract looking for a seat, I'd probably grab the second Audi seat and say thankyou.

[@WingerRealma]

how did he actually do it he predicted the future

[@leoarevalo6786]

This aged well

[@raisaallgar3193]

After seeing the interview with James Vowles last night, if Carlos wants that seat, he’s got it. Vowles explicitly said Carlos is their no1 target to get to drive for them next year.

[@LawVS]

I get the feeling he already does have it and James is teasing people. Carlos is being ultra defensive, trying to deflect...uh huh. That deal's as good as done.

[@ajinkyasalve01]

Well well well 🙌

[@RobertoRodriguez-fe2ts]

We need more Ocon positive contenttttt

[@RNA0ROGER]

I think Newey would go Aston Martin, there exists a genuine prospect they would win championships. If you can create a car that is genuinely decent. Williams have potential but it would take an effort beyond what Newey would be capable of.

[@stormforce7599]

I think they will get better as time goes by with the new owners and new money .

[@Belix.Official]

I think William’s seat will go to Antonelli. Sainz should join Alpine. Its better option as they have their own engine & it is independent team.

[@LawVS]

I think, and this is holding the Foam of Doubt...George will be dropped for 2026 if Max gets the seat and he will partner Kimi Antonelli. I know it's dark but...knowing Toto...

[@Belix.Official]

@@LawVS That will be insane thou. 🤣

[@Belix.Official]

@@LawVSplease make video on Liam Lawson. Will he leave RB to join Audi or Alpine? Maybe Haas.

[@ivaneurope]

Sainz was already there - back when it was called Renault, got defeated by Nico Hülkenberg and was dumped for Daniel Ricciardo. Doubt he's going back to Alpine/Renault.

[@josiahanderson3350]

It would be weird to see Williams having two rejected drivers. Alex from Red Bull and Carlos from Ferrari.

[@timothy790110]

carlos and albon would be a killer combo

[@mjk506]

At this point, I'm convinced that Law is Logan's agent! :P Whilst he's been slightly unlucky with being rushed in to F1 ahead of schedule, his performances have been near Mazepin levels of poor. He is a nice guy, sure but is so far off the rest of the field that he should actually consider himself quite lucky that he's likely to have made it through 2 full seasons of Formula 1. I look forwards to Williams having 2 drivers scrapping for the lower points values, rather than having to hope for an Albon miracle.

[@suiyan6297]

So you finally managed to release your williams video, uh? :P

[@LawVS]

Yep, as Kimi said once, "Friggin' finally."

[@theoriginalrabbithole]

Williams?! 😖 The only team in the history of professional sports to finish 11th in a 10 team championship?! This is a tragedy and Freddie Vasseur has made a very uncharacteristic blunder with this decision and he will regret it! I am NOT uncertain the pairing of Leclerc and Hamilton is going to be a hysterical farce and Freddie's gonna look stupid for it, not to mention that Carlos Sainz is among the top 3 drivers on merit after Max and Leclerc. No driver in the field has accomplished more with less, than Carlos Sainz and his record bears that truth.

[@MattsVincenzi]

Yeah, that is right now LOL

[@Lups-fk5qr]

Can you make a video about Gabriel Bortoleto? I think he will be the next Brazilian f1 driver to enter the grid since Felipe Nasr

[@manubhichalega]

Let's be fair here Sainz did play the long game and in hindsight,he miscalculated it And williams can be a great option but I reckon only if it's a 2 year deal (1+1 works too) cause New regs will give sainz the idea and 2025 will open up the market much more thaan this year

[@TheUntio]

Williams for this year and next year, probably a write off. Williams in 2030 could be at the front. Maybe true of many teams, but Williams are building for the future. Developing the promising Albon, investing in good staff, investing in team infrastructure. They're working to be a better calibre of team.

[@chipsawdust5816]

I'm sure Adrian knows more about aero than just downforce and floors.

[@RebelRanger2009]

I agree with you 💯. Williams is his best current F1 option.

[@bencetary6094]

A crazy idea for the bookies. Bottas to Mercedes for a last ride. An unfinished business if you may. If he only has one tranfer left in him, why not to Mercedes, to prove that he could have been more than the wingman had anyone other than Hamilton was in that other car?

[@MatheusC1729]

I am fairly sure that Dorilton or anyone who buys Williams from the in the future, can't change the name of the team. It has to be named Williams in perpetuity. Which obviously diminishes the value of the team, because you can't sell it to Volkswagen

[@reyaz8531]

Well Dorilton is trying to change everything about Oxfordshire. They’re using James Vowels to do it.