Lawyer Reacts: Jodi Hildebrant Victim Adam Steed Interview - Will He Be A Witness for Ruby Franke?

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[@Ideadelight]

I hope Adam will be a witness for Jodi’s trial. He has done so much for Boy Scouts and changing laws. So much respect for him and he’s been through so much. Ruby, to me, has done this to herself. I think she has a lot of problems in her childhood that, when Jodi came along, she was sucked right in. Laughing at her six year old because she forget her lunch. Tying the kids up, not feeding them, having her son sleep on the floor for 6 months, no. Ruby needs to take responsibility just like Adam is doing. Thanks Peter

[@edamameedamame1202]

Justice for Adam

[@munirasultana2313]

Well Said ❤️‍🩹

[@nickiemccormick5392]

I really hope the church is held accountable too…

[@choosegoodalways]

No this is a individual choice! This church does not teach or promote these behaviors!

[@toriesuejacobson8041]

Why exactly? “The church” has NOTHING to do with this!!

[@breewixom6179]

I completely disagree with that statement. The church did promote and support Jodi. Steed's Bishop referred him to her. I grew up in the church and have lived in Utah most of my life. I can attest to the fact that members do put a lot of weight into what their church leaders advise. Members can be really gullible and trusting, believing that these leaders are guided by God--and that they are privy to inspiration about our personal affairs. It sounds weird to a nonmember, but yes they believe that leaders are given promptings regarding those they lead. So yes,the church is involved by promoting her and allowing her to give them info about his sessions. They k ow that is illegal but they didn't care. The church will obviously downplay their connection to Jodi now, but I think they are also culpable morally.

[@Britty_90]

I listened to Adam & Jessi's case (Jodi's niece) and in my opinion Jodi is the core problem here. BUT Ruby should be punished to the fullest extent as well. As a mother, nothing or no one could convince me that abusive behavior is okay. Ruby is their MOTHER, and honestly Kevin should be held accountable as well. These kids will always carry severe trauma because of these freaks, and even worse, they think its their fault. Brainwashing at its finest, but not an excuse in my opinion!

[@KatieBSewCrafty]

Her son saying it was his fault when he told the neighbor…ugh. It kills me every time I hear it. Absolutely heartbreaking 💔

[@Britty_90]

@@KatieBSewCrafty agreed, it was so sad to hear that. I can't imagine the brainwashing these kids have been exposed to.

[@jacquelineweaver2530]

This breaks my heart for the kids and all the families Jodi has ruined. I could never imagine doing these things to my children

[@rosemariejanssen7790]

From video clips I see Ruby was abusing her kids before Jodi came on the scene. She is ultimately responsible for her children’s safety. She is guilty! My opinion is I would never allow my kids to be abused by anyone! I like your channel and your honest opinions. Thank you.

[@kaileyrosemahan8101]

So glad you’re covering this! What a roller coaster interview!

[@allin9631]

The reason why I listen to you is because you look at every angle even if it’s hard to hear. You have great points!!

[@kathleenmckeithen118]

Thank you, Peter, I agree with you that Adam would be a very good witness in this trial. Cults often have lots of hidden child abuse going on.

[@margaretireton5850]

But NOT to get Ruby off the hook. They are both equally culpable for separate reasons. It was a symbiotic relationship where they validated each other's cruelty and sadism and amped it up. Even the administrators at the Jail were seriously aware of their punitive symbiotic relationship and took initial action to see that Ruby and Jodi were housed separately in the jail with Ruby being placed in the infirmary section in order to maintain the jail housing separation.

[@MichelleJones-vb6ec]

Ruby was abusing her children while she and husband were on utube. The oldest children tried to report their parents to social services. There was one video where the oldest boy looked totally broken. But Jodie took it to the next level.

[@kathiek4239]

Peter, do you think Ruby can use this “Jodi made me do it” defense without implicating the LDS? Jodi was recommended by & had ties to LDS leadership. Her “therapies” dealt with routing out “distortions” or sins based to some extent on LDS teachings. It seems to me it will be difficult to separate Jodi completely from LDS. What do you think?

[@lesliematteis8010]

I truly believe that Jodi has desires which are not condoned by the LDS church. Hurting the male partners of objects of her fancy is a way to mitigate the discomfort she feels.

[@janicelawson7518]

Sadistic desires.

[@KatieBSewCrafty]

I haven’t heard enough to know where I land on Ruby, specifically, but I find Adam’s story so compelling. It’s astonishing what people will do in the (false) name of religion. A cult mentality is a very powerful thing. I find Adam to be a reliable narrator and think he would make a great witness in the trial against Jodi - even if not necessarily for Ruby (though the similarities is super interesting). I appreciate you following this story, Peter, and like the angle you saw in this one.

[@Rae777]

I think what’s hard for me about this, is that Ruby was publicly engaging in horrendous conduct prior to Jodi publicly being in the picture. I definitely need more information, but it’s hard to see Ruby as a victim when I witnessed the glee she got from punishing her children unreasonably. I’ll try to keep an open mind if/when this goes to trial.

[@AliciaM5555]

YES!

[@Bubblegum12345]

Agreed the KZbin videos look like she enjoyed it however Jodi was already in the picture when the harsh punishments started. Ruby started talking about truth and distortion years ago which are Jodi’s words. Not excusing Ruby, just observing the timeline .

[@carolmckee8456]

In the few clips of the 8 passengers videos I saw, it was very evident that Ruby enjoyed depriving, humiliating and punishing her kids. It's also heart-wrenchingly obvious that her kids, especially the 2 youngest, were unhappy. Those videos were shocking. It appeared to me that Kevin joined in the fun pretty willingly. IDK how long she was 'under the influence' of Jodi but I think these two abusers found each other and teamed up.

[@Darcalpha]

Nice segment! It is refreshing to c that u are a lawyer first, KZbin second. Thanks for the insight.

[@leaterry1504]

Please keep posting on this horror story! You give great commentary on it!

[@LawyerYouKnow]

Thank you!

[@ponderrosie4975]

AMEN to bring on the LIGHT!!!!

[@Luv2LuvEm]

Jodi’s niece used to keep Jodi’s books and they said that Jodi absolutely makes tons of money from the Mormon church. Jesse used to be the one that billed them so they saw first hand.

[@mammajamma4959]

Peter- who filed the order against mormon stories and why?! I am worried this will discourage other victims, plz shine the light! THX

[@HannahMitchell-Art]

These are really interesting, thank you

[@4H2O4EVER]

I think what is very scary is Jodi believes she is right.

[@trudiharmon7640]

Excellent episode definitely lots to think about and to take into account.

[@nooneyouknow4829]

MSP got a court order to take down Adam's interview. not sure who or why but it's speculated it was Adam's ex

[@robertplocke]

I really feel like Jodi has more culpability in this case. Ruby is guilty too, but I think Jodi was the mastermind.

[@ladyj.9350]

Dual relationship is a specific term used to describe any relationship that the therapist has with the patient outside of therapy, whether it’s friendship, business, familial (ex-aunt) or romantic.

[@mollymollie6048]

Ruby and Kevin were abusive to their children long before Jodi came on the scene. I hope he doesn’t testify for her or Kevin. Testify for the kids if needed. But…his (and the podcast that did his interview) have had their First Amendment rights stripped and he’s not allowed to speak, and his story can’t be told. That should be the focus…who is forcing the removal of the interview and why? Jodi? Ruby? Kevin? LDS Church? If Jessi is silenced next, that should be telling…

[@cocobear285]

Her niece is witness to being funded by the LDS church. Her clients were almost exclusevely from the church. The church was absolutely aware. They were informed of the abuse and they continued to support her regardless.

[@suebrubaker6182]

After listening to Adam's interviews I can't see that they could only move forward with him as a Witness. He has proof of the insane things they did. He has been through so much, and as a former abused child I understand how difficult this is for him, He has nothing personally to gain from this but us willing to tell the truth of what they were doing. I'm sure it will help Ruby but, it must be heard to make sure Jody is punished thoroughly.

[@Schoenbaum_Paul]

Great episode!

[@cherrirobertson9480]

Please cover the take care of Maya case would love your perspective

[@sanster7700]

Yes. Ruby has a case regarding the power of Jodi over her.

[@LostAndSortaHighVibes]

She kept her kids without a bed for months at a time before Jodi. She was known not to feed her kids before Jodi. Her daughter called her abusive before Jodi. RUBY KNEW. If you don't believe me, look up "Markie" he has videos on Ruby for years before Jodi showed up. They are both abusive and horrid. And Ruby knew those kids were taped down and malnourished.

[@nicoledenning8090]

@@LostAndSortaHighVibes Ruby was going to Jodi for therapy for years and years. Just because Jodi didn't appear publicly until recently does not mean that she wasn't providing therapy sessions to her listening to her advice. NOT saying Ruby is innocent tho.

[@ashleelynn7094]

As a viewer following the 8 passengers issues for years now, ruby definitely went from authoritarian strict parent to abusive delusional mother when Jodi entered the picture for sure. Jodi was definitely the catalyst in this situation and ruby was the perfect medium for Jodi’s brand of ideology. Spot on analysis for Adam’s video, 🙏

[@booswanger3801]

You can be strict and not be cruel. Ruby was strict and cruel way before Jodi.

[@dianezatanna9676]

I'm not sure if you read the comments or How to go about it...I like to suggest you cover The Boy in the Box Trial located in your State Florida/Jupiter. Thanx!

[@eliseintheattic9697]

Defense can try, but jury members who are also parents (so most of them), arent going to buy it. It's just not going to happen. It's the same with cases in which a couple abuses their children (Turpins) but the wife was also abused. Even though the wife was abused and feared her husband, they were found guilty and received the same sentence. There are some things that people aren't going to excuse, and sadistically torturing your children is one of them.

[@karylkowalczyk987]

I agree with everything you said and wish I could attend every LIVE

[@newenglandcoast7121]

While I agree a lot of blame lies with Jodi Hildebrant, it must also be considered that Ruby and Kevin Franke have been abusing their children for years, long before Jodi Hildebrant arrived in their lives. There was a petition years ago, with thousands of signatures, to remove their channel from KZbin because of the abusive treatment towards their children.

[@margaretireton5850]

I agree !!!

[@julessmithpaints]

Truth. I wish you’d dig deeper with Adam. It will might Ruby, however that’s not the point. We need to uncover the truth and how things like this develop. Thank you excellent 🍕🎉

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[@christinavasiliadou2396]

I am very interested in this week, also more analysis what is jodi and ruby defence?

[@redondobeach7514]

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[@LoverofSunflowernBees]

I really like your channel

[@Bamafanhere]

I thought his interviews were removed.

[@TownGirl04]

Hadn't heard about Adam Steed but it could be total true about RF. Will be interesting to see how all of this turns out.

[@artgoshow]

If ruby's pathology is so deep that she stands by Jodi, could it go to her inability to assist in her own defence?

[@carolynmoe1796]

Good witness for mitigation

[@robinbond7878]

Ruby was already a questionable parent BEFORE she hooked up Jody! People were already calling CPS on her for her own bazar punishments that she gave her children!

[@brittabby]

What the hell is wrong with people? Lock them both up and throw away the key….

[@jacquelineglitter4328]

Agree 💯 %

[@dianeratti5644]

Seriously Yes put them in prison!

[@1strights]

Yes

[@be.A.b]

In the grand scheme of things, prosecutors will prioritize the biggest fish. Having the weaker offender take a plea bargain, will guarantee that both of them receive jail time. There’s always the chance that a jury will find one of them innocent. Jodie is the bigger risk to the community. As far as we know, Ruby wasn’t long-term starving her kids and duct taping them before. Multiple family members have come out and said the abuse never escalated that far. Jodie has a long history of this behavior towards adults and children. She has also evaded the law thus far. Once the heat gets going, she will say and do anything to make herself look like the victim. Since she isn’t the mother, a jury might be more forgiving towards her. Not taking the chance to guarantee she jodie behind bars, would be a huge mistake to the prosecution. It may seem “unfair” from a black and white standpoint, but it’s actually very smart from a legal standpoint. Anytime two perpetrators are involved, it’s in the prosecutions best interest to bargain a plea with one of the defendants. Otherwise, they could each throw each other under the bus in front of two separate juries, and essentially got off without justice.

[@dianeratti5644]

No way the jury will find one of them Innocent ! Ruby was staving those kids & never gave them privacy had the CAMERA in there faces there whole life ! She enjoys watching her KIDS suffer Shes sick & is a sadist & so is her husband! She did this not because of that sicko Jodi Ruby was just so happy DOING all this crap to her kids for YEARS !!!!

[@booswanger3801]

I believe everything Adam said. He has emails and receipts from all his interactions with Jodi. I will also add, Ruby was a disgusting human before she EVEN met Jodi. When Ruby and Jodi got together it escalated for sure.

[@My2Monkeeys]

No Ruby Franke is not a victim. She was abusing her kids long before she met Jodi. People who aren't open to the kind of stuff that was done to her children, would in no way be open to what happened. Nobody is going to be able to "brainwash" me into abusing my kids, because I am not open to it, period.

[@LostAndSortaHighVibes]

I grew up in ILBP, still would rather die than ever hurt my children. Ruby was never a victim.

[@karenwhinesmore9347]

Very true

[@Dominique_99]

I just wrote the exact same thing and then read your comment. They were also doing it on camera before Jodi came along.

[@carolynmoe1796]

Ruby is a monster, but I think Jodi also brainwashed her. She's still responsible for her actions tho

[@laurenmay2098]

Ruby is some how slow. There is something about her that makes me think she is out of the house in her brain. She smiles all the time. With that said, she did inflicted a lot of pain an psychological punishment to her kids way before Jodi came along. With Jodi in the picture, Ruby escalated the punishments and methods. It is like Chad and Lori, they mixed and things got very bad quickly.

[@lindajohnson.]

Ruby, was abusing her children long before Jodi. She did some crazy things to her family.😢

[@Lisajed]

Thank you saying that neighbors were calling CPS on Ruby for the last 10 years Jody hildebrandt's only been in Ruby's life for the last 2 years ! she's going to take a plea deal and get off with probation you watch ! Because by comparison Rubie's crimes don't look that bad ... I wish sicko Jody never would have came along

[@PrometheanRising]

​@Lisajed If she is offered probation for a plea the judge should reject it.

[@champton911]

I’m so sick of reading this same comment. Jodi has been counseling the family for YEARS. Most of the crazy things Ruby did were suggested by Jodi (no Christmas, withholding food, taking rooms-all from Jodi). I keep saying it and it’s like I’m talking to myself. I’m not excusing Ruby for anything. I just want people to get their facts straight. So frustrating

[@champton911]

@@LisajedNot true. Many years.

[@Lisajed]

@@champton911 you need a hobby if comments on KZbin make you that upset

[@Seibellagiugiu]

Thank you for discussing Adam’s case. It is heartbreaking.

[@abv250]

I saw the interview with Adam. Remember his courage. I felt like I couldn't bear to watch, but felt obliated to at least bear witness. He has obviously suffered so much

[@hothamradio]

🙏🙏 thank you Peter for discussing many of Adam Steed’s main points. People need to hear what he said in that interview.

[@daphnedherbert]

The interview was amazing, its so sad that Mormon Stories has to fight to get it put back up after a cease and desist.

[@slconley]

Everyone should also look up Maurice Harker, he is another “Therapist” that worked directly with Jodi. He was arrested the end of this September for similar treatment.

[@harley6222]

Wow!

[@Ozmaeoz]

Adam's story is so important but I doubt it would help Ruby. His description of the women involved with Jodi indicated that they bought into her BS unquestionably. If anything, it might help Kevin for custody. The difference between Kevin and Adam is that Adam NEVER let his children just go without a fight.

[@Rae777]

Agreed! That contrast between Kevin’s reported behavior through his lawyer in response to being separated from his kids, and Adam’s makes it even more jarring.

[@NJ-Cathie]

Kevin is not innocent

[@brimaree]

I dont think it would help Ruby all that much. She has too much video footage she took that got increasingly questionable before she met Jodi.

[@booswanger3801]

Exactly!!! Her husband is a disgusting human as well 😮

[@9eyeswideopen]

After hearing Adam’s story, how he and his father had the laws changed for victims of abuse. Because her tentacles run deep I wonder whether she was punishing him and deliberately set out to destroy his life all because he had spoken out most likely against people she was connected to. By destroying him as she did no one would ever believe anything that came out of his mouth

[@leaterry1504]

She ruined or tried to ruin men and their marriages. She hates men. And women. A very sick mind!

[@Sumwhere-N-Between]

True Crime Loser, just did an awesome video on all of this and Adam Steed, Jodi, etc. Jodi did everything to destroy Adams life. So sad.

[@mcpeewee68]

Or jody was hired and recommended to Adam in retaliation for his work against the Mormon church Boy Scouts

[@ann-utah1495]

Adam speaks very well And from the heart…his story fills you with sorrow and pain… you can just see it in him as he speaks of what happened to him and his family! He would be great!!!!

[@karenmariecraig5619]

Yes. You’re right. If I 10:14 were the lawyer for Ruby I would definitely bring this in a defense. The only thing I might hesitate is that Ruby was abusive to the children before she meet Jodi. I think Jodi may have sent her over the top but ultimately she was responsible for her own children. And Dad. He was there throughout the 8 passenger videos and failed to protect his children and was being benefiting from the proceeds of her channel. I hope they televise this. I won’t be surprised if they don’t. The Church has a lot of power in these states.

[@Jennifermcintyre]

Ruby was abusive to her kids long before Jodi.

[@mizmo2431]

Excellent commentary, Peter. Much appreciated. I am hoping for an eventual class action suit against the Morman Church to hold them accountable.

[@choosegoodalways]

It’s not a church’s fault they don’t teach or condone this behavior! These are individuals choices all on there own!

[@watchdog8058]

the church referred lots of people to jodi though even after she lost her license. they should get some sort of punishment as they knew she broke laws, was convicted, still sent people there.

[@justjamie333]

Adam Steed’s story is heartbreaking. Thank you for speaking on his experience. I guess certain people want to silence him

[@GiraffeGal1]

I go back to Jodi niece’s interview. She indicated she was basically tortured by Jodi until she confessed something. Hopefully Ruby’s kids are getting the therapy they need which will help them feel safe and feel better about themselves. I can’t imagine how confusing all of this must be for the kiddos. And I can’t help also blaming their dad for not checking up on his kids and reportedly making virtually impossible for his children to get in touch with him. I wonder if Rudy’s sisters ever reached out to him.

[@coralieelliott2076]

He hung up and wouldn't even speak to his oldest daughter--if she knew the kids were being neglected how could he not know?

[@daphnedherbert]

did you watch the Adam Paul Steed episode? The way Jodi controls families is really insidious .

[@GiraffeGal1]

@@coralieelliott2076 that’s so heartbreaking

[@cindymorgan7295]

Kudos to this man. It takes a lot of guts to do what he’s doing.

[@sanster7700]

Adam said Jodi hates men. Unbelievable what she did to families.

[@elsedutch4972]

That’s exactly what I thought and stated recently in the reactions!! And see! Somehow who knows says the same!! It is all about revenge for this woman Hildebrandt (a dutch name btw) ….

[@WooWoo-co4jf]

I thought so too, I think she's same sex attracted, her marriage didn't work, as a result she hates men.

[@WooWoo-co4jf]

Sanster, that's a gorgeous rose avatar, you'll probably think I'm just but I can smell it as I look at it :)

[@dianezatanna9676]

They also hate children as well.

[@Jennifermcintyre]

And she had a billion dollar church sending a steady stream of new victims… Jodi’s wierd a$$ bunker looking house is worth 2.8 million dollars. It’s absolutely disgusting how she’s been rewarded for her evil actions.

[@notbornagainbornright5046]

Adam was a victim that was put in a room with predators, and he said, "Would you put Elizabeth Smart in a room full of predators?" NO

[@heathertaylor6774]

Hi, I am from N Ireland and know very little about the legal system in Utah. It is probably naive but I worry that the judge will be a high functioning Mormon and could that sway the court? Thanks so much for your coverage of this terribly sad and disturbing situation.

[@elizabethlacky6068]

This is such a public case that whoever the judge is, he/she will be heavily scrutinized. People are horrified at the abuse of children.

[@heathertaylor6774]

@@elizabethlacky6068thank you, that eases my mind.

[@elizabethlacky6068]

@@heathertaylor6774 You are welcome ! ♥️

[@notbornagainbornright5046]

Adam Steed is amazing! He didn't accept what Jodi was doing to him!

[@jennydiver100]

I think you're right, but it's clear that Ruby was well on the path of serial child abuser before Jodi came into the picture. There is no doubt Jodi made it worse, but I don't think it should let Ruby off the hook. As a mother, I was HORRIFIED to see some of the videos she was posting from years ago. I still say that she was protected by the Mormon church whose influence is in the courts, law enforcement, and undoubtedly CPS in Utah and other states. We should be worried about children in Utah, Idaho, Nevada, and other states with big LDS populations.

[@sydney.mp4]

definitely agree. i think it's totally possible for her to be an abuser on her own and a victim of jodi. i hope the authorities really listen to ruby's eldest daughter since she's probably the person with the most insight into ruby before and after jodi. when people talk about kevin and jodi's impact on him, they often forget (or don't realize) the eldest daughter doesn't appear to speak to him either. if true, i think that's really telling.

[@lindseycassella3015]

​@@sydney.mp4I thought I heard that the eldest son lived with him. Is that true?

[@lorismiley]

Harsh words, though totally on point. Thank you for speaking out. Silence only perpetuates the cycle and the abuse❤

[@phoenixrising71715]

I think, at the very least, Adam could help Kevin's case. The way Jodi was wedging him out of his marriage and children's lives. 😬😡 The thing with Ruby, going back to clips from 8 Passengers, she took pleasure in "her brand of discipline". She's outright beaming when she threatens consequences / made ultimatums to her kids k, even when they're tiny 🤬 Adams recounting of Hildebrandt's "therapy" has alot of commonality with Jesse (as far as mind games anyway) and they both have understanding of what the Franke kids were subjected to.

[@radybay9088]

As Ruby’s therapist, Jodi had a position of power and influence over Ruby. Both of them are guilty in their roles wn ways.

[@XXScoripo]

Hi Peter , as you are telling this information, there is no good outcome for ANYONE involved, it’s just terrible, those poor kids, Eve and Russell, and how many other children are taking this advice from Jody and Ruby Makes me so sick to my stomach

[@kathiemunoz3062]

The telling thing of whether Ruby was brainwashed by Jodi is, how did she treat and discipline the kids before her and her husband went into therapy with Jodi.

[@margaretireton5850]

For sure, Ruby's serious abuse of her own children began and continued several years before Jodi came into her life. Ruby is totally accountable for that significant child abuse of her own children. Ruby then latched onto Jodi and totally supported Jodi's expanded evil and morally corrupt plan of child discipline in order to share in the power, significant wealth, and growing notoriety by becoming joint business partners in this sadistic counseling podcast practice supported by and largely financed by the Mormon Church. The mastermind behind this notoriously abusive joint business venture appears to be Jodi but Ruby's sadistic and manipulative personality appears to be the driving force which put their joint counseling podcast practice into high gear. Both of them are equally culpable for their criminally abusive and negligent child and family care practices and should be charged likewise, in my opinion. When a holdup and murder takes place involving a getaway driver, a shooter, and his accomplice, all three of these men who participated in the holdup and murder are charged with murder even though the specifics of each person's role may vary. Ruby and Jodi are equally culpable for their sadistic and abusive transactions against Ruby's two youngest children. The majority of people responding to this video appear to be in agreement that Ruby is totally responsible for her own criminal actions and does NOT get a major reprieve just because Jodi appears to have been the mastermind. Perhaps, this strong response is because a majority of the responders are female and are born with a strong innate feeling of love and protection for their child that is felt deep within their heart. This maternal/child attachment is a unique bond based on female hormones so is not experienced similarly by males. And, unfortunately, some females are never able to truly bond with children due to psychological disturbances/dysfunction. Peter, I hope that you will rethink your response to this issue or perhaps check out what your wife has to say about maternal/child bonding and if she believes that Ruby does not need to be held as accountable as Jodi because Jodi was the mastermind.

[@Lisajed]

Great point

[@sherrinvale]

No one better stand up for Ruby, she is totally responsible for what happened . .

[@leighanne3266]

What about their dad?

[@LostAndSortaHighVibes]

@@leighanne3266 Throw him in for neglect too.

[@Caketime2]

The point is yes she still needs to be held accountable but we also need to get Jody off the streets no matter what. And if that means a plea deal for Jody to get less time I think it's worth it. Jody has harmed thousands of people not just her own family but other people's children's as well

[@annaandjuju]

@@Caketime2Jodi is definitely is the bigger fish to fry in this scenario but Ruby made some terrible decisions that she needs to pay for too.

[@JagoffCitizen]

I think Jodi recognised Ruby's propensity for sadism, and with her enormous established audience, Ruby was all round Jodi's golden ticket. Maybe there is an element of folie a deux: they validated each other's cruelty and amped it up.

[@WrenBird449]

It's easy for people to get up in arms at the implication that Ruby is less responsible or is both a victim and a perpetrator, but as a legal assistant I greatly appreciate your take on it and can fully see this happening. I'm wondering if perhaps this could relate to why Adam Paul Steed's interview was removed from The Mormon Stories Podcast by court order. Maybe things are already in motion for this type of outcome.

[@barbararuell8199]

Agreed Peter she is evil and manipulative Adam can attest as well as others that hopefully will come forward

[@Jammn126]

I think Ruby was abusing her kids before Jodi. According to her older daughter she was glad Ruby was found out.

[@sanster7700]

Adam and his story are amazing.

[@sngray11]

Thank you Peter for continuing to discuss this case and for sharing some of Adam’s story with all of us. I watched the interview he did on Mormon Stories prior to them being legally forced to take it down. I hope that all of the victims of Jodi, Ruby, and others like them receive the justice that they deserve and as a fellow survivor, I wish them all the best on their healing journeys. 💞

[@carolynmoe1796]

I hope they don't get sued😢

[@watchdog8058]

i do not understand why mormon stories had to take the adam interview down. i know there was a court order but jodi was found guilty and lost her license due to adam’s case so what he is saying was proven in court. anyone know?

[@carolynmoe1796]

@@watchdog8058 it was Adam's ex-wife's lawyer who made them take down Adam's interview, not Jodi or Ruby

[@missyblu4983]

He is the one who got her license taken away

[@pinkgorilla99]

Good for him! I haven’t watched his video yet but sounds like he is a very strong person to have survived Jodi’s evil “therapy”.

[@missyblu4983]

@@pinkgorilla99 he is very strong 💪 but broken. I pray for him. He has been victimized his whole life by the FLDS AND those in power. His voice needs to be heard

[@booswanger3801]

@@missyblu4983, it’s not the FLDS. It’s mainstream LDS

[@robertplocke]

Let's not forget that the children were in Jodis house when they were liberated too.

[@margaretireton5850]

But let's not forget who facilitated for them to go there and for what reason too. Both Jodi and Ruby are equally complicit but for separate reasons once you examine the whole picture and make your conclusion.

[@iamawesomehearmeroar]

What I've learned from the books I've read on cults and podcasts I've listened to and documentaries I've watched: ANYONE can be pulled into a cult. The one comparisonbetween most victims of cults is that the individual is in a vulnerable place. Its easier to isolate someone that is in a vulnerable place than it is for someone who is not. That's why it's important to show grace when someone leaves a cult or something of that nature. People will do things they never thiught they would when they're in that situation.

[@pinkgorilla99]

I have been in a cult, i was raised in it. But at some point your reasoning skills kick in and you have to cut ties. I never never abused my kids and I just can’t believe Ruby didn’t know exactly what she was doing. Cults are very damaging and controlling but I can see how it happens because (like you said) they prey on the vulnerable. I have no sympathy for Ruby, Kevin or Jodi.

[@iamawesomehearmeroar]

@@pinkgorilla99 I completely agree. I was more talking about Adam Steed, not so much Jodi or Ruby. Ruby might have been led in by Jodi, but other videos show that Ruby was already like that. I think Jodi just gave Ruby an outlet and permission to do what Ruby wanted to do. Also, thank you for sharing your story with me. I can't even begin to understand what it would be like to go through something like that. I can't even imagine the mental, emotional, and physical strength you have to be able to leave something like that.

[@lidarandolph8322]

My question, has anyone ever been exonerated from a major crime by claiming brainwashing?

[@jonathancase4372]

Not exactly exonerated because she was convicted but later pardoned, but Patty Hearst may be an example.

[@rachelann9362]

Didn’t a few of the Manson Family that were at and potentially involved in the murders given immunity? I feel like some have, or got to plead to lesser chargers. Honestly, it would make sense if you’re the prosecutor trying to take down the “leader” on a weak case. But, that would mean Ruby needs to come out of the delusion and actually across to throwing JH under the bus.

[@AliciaM5555]

Excellent question! But Ruby had been reported already way before Jodi!

[@coralieelliott2076]

@@jonathancase4372 Patty Hurst though was kidnapped and kept in isolation --she may have even been raped--it wasn't that she voluntarily joined the group

[@lidarandolph8322]

@@rachelann9362 I was actually thinking about the Manson family when I posted the question. The major players in the crimes were all tried and convicted. That’s why I don’t see how Franke could get away with what she did to her children.

[@travelintheresa7884]

Need to go after the dang bishops that used Jodi

[@jbkidsco]

I would love to hear from some of the ex-wives. I hope at least some of them have come to their senses and know these men aren't horrible.

[@vmcgriff]

I as a mother I would love to believe that there is NO way Jodi could have convinced me that her methods were best way to “save” my kids… But brain washing is so very powerful. And after watching Adam’s full interview before it was taken down - the fact that Adam was so damaged and emotionally scared by Jodi’s methods - I can see that if you were convinced that you were saving your kids lives/souls you might be willing to do anything! I hurt and pray for everyone whose lives were ruined by Jodi’s methods! And hope that she will be in jail the rest of her life!!

[@Bumsy727]

The Mormon church needs accountability for this, more, for allowing her to go on! 21:22

[@choosegoodalways]

It is a individual choice non of this is doctrine nor are these things condoned by the church! All religions have individuals in them that make bad choices or even commit crimes! It’s not a country club it’s a place where you go to try and learn how to be a better person! Kinder, more loving !

[@bekind758]

The interviews with those who have had treatment from Jodi are so horrific. Jodi is so scary.

[@blingblingcrafter.]

I appreciate everything you post and everything you do to keep us updated on true events. 💎

[@judyjb2305]

Yes, I thought that interview was pretty insightful. And, also, there's a clip out there from the 8Passengers a few years ago where Ruby's oldest son mentions the name of ***His*** therapist "Jody". So how many years did this go back, and how many family members (including children) did Jodi act as therapist for as well??????

[@amykatona9548]

Thank you for covering this case. we need someone knowledgeable like you covering this 😊. As usual, fantastic video!

[@DrofJustice]

My thoughts exactly. In addition, Adam’s story helps explain why Kevin was absent. Ruby was the perfect victim as well, because she was already pretty nuts as a parent.

[@wotiluv]

The court ordered Adam’s interview on the Mormon Podcast to be removed. I’m sure they will do everything in their power to keep him out of this case. Any thoughts on that’s?

[@wotiluv]

My guess is that his disclosures may have violated an ND from prior lawsuits.

[@booswanger3801]

@@wotiluv, Adam stated on his IG account that his ex-wife wanted his interview removed from Mormon Stories Podcast. That’s what people are saying anyway.

[@wotiluv]

@@booswanger3801 oh I see ok that makes sense. It’s because he mentioned Hee a thousand times but she sounded so evil.

[@Vegas_Mel]

So glad this wasn’t a Live, perfect choice Peter. Thank you for this coverage.

[@LawyerYouKnow]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@LeahJo13]

Thank you for this video! Very happy you are delving further into this.

[@carolynnilsen9270]

Bit late for me here in 🇬🇧, will have to listen tomorrow. How come you are covering this when M Stories was forced ( wrongly) to remove it?

[@ChrisK-1969]

Peter excellent video as always. The light being cast on all this is so important. The abusers use shame to keep their victims afraid to speak. I am glad he has come forward.

[@bettyir4302]

These church bishops who insisted on members going to her and using her gossip against them should be looked into.

[@booswanger3801]

That includes BYU

[@DrPatriceBerry]

I thought it was interesting that Mormon Podcast Stories received info/legal doc to take their interview down…interested to see what happens with that and if his two part interview is reinstated on their channel.

[@sallymattingly8915]

Thank you, Peter, for covering this. Am very interested to hear your take on this as the case progresses.

[@wandad1799]

Adam's interview was heartbreaking. His pain was evident throughout. However very brave and resilient. I hope his experience helps bring s certain people to justice.