LBC callers react to investigation into 'fake doctors' in the NHS

[@MegaPoliyo]

I want to practice medicine but I don't want to be a Dr.... Can you practice nursing and not be a nurse? Practice aviation and not be a pilot... You shouldn't be practicing medicine if you haven't studied medicine. The role is an assistant. You're the drs assistant you shouldn't be independent. It's dangerous. Cheap labour, cheap results.

[@Al_lloyd]

Your argument would hold true except doctor and nurse are not the only positions available for those who what to practice medicine.

[@Bfg12327]

@@Al_lloyd - when you go to the doctors, you would expect to see a doctor!

[@therealrobertbirchall]

Cheap scab labor. To break the power of the doctors and nurses unions.

[@psps2034]

@@Al_lloyd doctors are the only ones who practice medicine . Everything else is under the ultimate leadership of a doctor or it’s not medicine

[@cynthiamorris1874]

They are doctor’s helpers, and they are trained, at least the ones I know are.

[@Kwippy]

Why use them? Because as much as the British public say they love the NHS, survey has shown they don't want to pay for the NHS with tax money. You get what you pay for, you get the NHS you deserve.

[@JAS-w5n]

Do you have a link to that survey? I’d like to see it please

[@davidgreen6490]

​@@JAS-w5nOf course he doesnt have a link.

[@JAS-w5n]

@@davidgreen6490 wouldn’t surprise me but I would like to keep an open mind

[@Deeejjj64]

National health service not the international health service

[@therealrobertbirchall]

They are using them PAs to weaken the negotiating power of the BMA. Cheap scab labor.

[@andrepinto5826]

If PA's need to be supervised at all times, then what's the point of paying 2 salaries?

[@tinachristine4573]

And in general practice they are earning up to £50k

[@syed2694]

​@@tinachristine4573more than that

[@RobertThomson-y4m]

Having seen how the NHS mistreated my father during COVID I am convinced it needs root and branch reform. It's a shambles currently.

[@sarahann530]

How should they have treated him differently. Did he die from a virus which had no cure ?

[@zainzoala1083]

As a security officer previously , I've observed troubling practices across various sectors. In medical settings, receptionists sometimes act as doctors, raising safety concerns. At airports, it's strange that some security guards who barely speak English can pass the SIA exam and get job with agencies and profile travelers like Home Office staff or arrest people who haven’t done anything in supermarkets , leading to misunderstandings. Additionally, airport cleaners often use the same wipe for toilet seats and sinks, and when addressed, they often respond with "no speak English." These issues suggest that some companies prioritize cost-cutting over hiring qualified professionals, compromising safety and service quality.

[@sarahann530]

Security Officers are known for their high IQ . We need more of them in higher office .

[@BridgyP]

The PA and AA role is pointless. If they cant do things independently, they dont save any time or provide better care. Theyre replacements for doctors, but dont take the responsibility and frankly this makes them useless. Hire more doctors. Theres a lot of shortages and covering gaos with underqualified and unsafe professionals is inappropriate

[@jezcoates]

What happened to the outrage of the royal family rort of charities?

[@tinasturgeon7087]

One told me I had a hernia and could have it fixed IF I wanted to, 9 months later I had a radical right nephrectomy, due to my kidney containing a 7lb tumour, which matassized before surgery,

[@Connor-vj7vf]

Makes no sense. How can a physician associate both free up doctors but also need direct supervision? How can they the caller say she discusses every case but knows how to manage the simple stuff? (Miss Chesterton's PA thought her blood clot was the simple stuff) How can a supervising doctor safely prescribe unless they see a patient and if that's the case, what is the point? "I want to practice medicine without being a doctor" at the end basically sums it up

[@therealrobertbirchall]

'I want to practice medicine but don't have patience or personal commitment to study for 10 years, so I'll be a PA instead.

[@emilymccartney1593]

An Associate recognised my Cancer symptoms and got me a blood test that day. A day later I’m in the Hospital being told I have Leukaemia, and 2 days later I’m an in patient on Steroids and IV chemo. This was last year before Labour were in power.

[@edpurdy1808]

They need defined roles and always in addition to doctors never as replacement because they don't have the same level of education or speciality. A GP reg will have done 5 years of medical school and 4-6 years of clinical experience vs a PA with 2 years of clinical medical education. They will simply not be under the same level of superivision

[@georgef822]

The NHS is a terrible health service.

[@psps2034]

There is no way a day 1 PA can ever compare to a day 1 Dr. There’s no way a PA in year 5 compares to a doctor in their 5 year. PAs only need to do clerical things so Drs can do their job . We need more specialised doctors but there’s no money for these posts yet there is money for PAs apparently

[@Bfg12327]

Want to practice medicine but don’t need be a doctor to do so.. only in the NHS

[@Paul_W_Tudor]

Have you ever heard of nurses? PAs are not doctors, neither are nurses. Same thing.

[@Bfg12327]

@@Paul_W_Tudor nurses practice nursing. It a profession with centuries of history and its own tradition/training and exams/qualification. Nurses do not claim to practice medicine

[@therealrobertbirchall]

​@Bfg12327 Most nurses will be far better clinicians than PAs because they have the limitations of their profession hammered into from day 1 at nursing school.

[@hansweissmann_xviii6754]

Just imagine you went in for flu and left with a kidney fewer! Horror!

[@Bfg12327]

You think someone is gonna cut you open during a 10min appointment? Give me a break

[@hansweissmann_xviii6754]

@ You never know…..

[@nadiaconstantinou7089]

Thank you for bringing to light this valuable information.

[@traceywilliamson6373]

I asked to see a doctor, and got a woman that used to be my asthma nurse 2years ago , can somebody tell me how this happened, my doctors are never there.

[@DoggleBird]

My profession requires NVQ level 8 equivalent. That's as high as you can go, but anything less than this, you don't get the job.

[@AGTC009]

All the fantastic staff have left leaving us with third rate imports resorting to third rate medical care !...We only see what is reported in the media the rest is kept under wraps !

[@emilymccartney1593]

Imports?

[@AGTC009]

@@emilymccartney1593 Tell me where most of our medical staff are coming from now ?

[@RobMatton]

Starmer needs to go

[@emilymccartney1593]

PA’s were a Tory decision.

[@trelon5]

What does this have to do with Kier Starmer? This predates this government by many years. Stop yapping like a parrot. Starmer seems to be living in your head rent free

[@Norman-j7m]

Can anyone remember when nick was calling for mandatory jibbies in 2020 .

[@HarryNottings]

Remember when you guys were insisting everyone who got vaccinated would drop dead by the end of the year? How much longer will we have to wait before you admit it was harmless all along?

[@Fezzy976]

clip please?

[@Norman-j7m]

@@Fezzy976 I don't need a clip . I listened to it on the radio and recorded it with my brain 🧠

[@Fezzy976]

@@Norman-j7m I do because I haven't heard it and can't find it so I'm asking for you to send a clip because I want to hear it for my self.

[@Norman-j7m]

@@Fezzy976 I'm not sure they would have shows still from that long ago . He definitely said it , and tom swarbrick

[@Paul_W_Tudor]

Oh no, a PA misdiagnosed a blood clot as a pulled muscle. Hate to break this to you but doctors also make these errors.

[@Freakoutski]

Are you suggesting a doctor is equally as likely to make such an error as a PA? If not, what point are you attempting to make?

[@cheeks6738]

Yes doctors do get things wrong my late husband's GP diagnosed him with an abscess and gave him antibiotics it was only when it didn't go and I went with him and insisted that the doctor refer him to the hospital which he did and they diagnosed him with cancer. Might I add that GP used to be my GP and because I openly told him that he was incompetent he decided to remove me from his practice and I received a letter from the health authority informing me of his decision.

[@psps2034]

So if a Doctor can also make this mistake with infinite more education, why on earth are we letting a PA with a fraction of that education do the same task?

[@tinachristine4573]

If doctors can make mistakes, you want a PA with no medical education to be the safe pair of hands? Do you know that doctors start medical related courses right from secondary school?

[@Bfg12327]

@@cheeks6738 -no one is saying the doctors are mistake free. I’m sorry for situation your family is in. But why would you think dilation of training and standards would make things better?

[@Ava-i8z1]

Your videos are always a joy to watch. Thank you for your skill and creativity!🤣🌱🚚

[@IsabellaNhân]

Your channel is a place where quality always comes first. Thank you for your hard work and talent!🍿🍎⚡️

[@RD210]

NHS needs to be Defunded

[@chrisdickens4268]

So Farage wants.... I'd have thought private healthcare pr reps like yourself would have better grammar though

[@enzobiswas-rodgers5521]

It’s already happened mate, it was called austerity.

[@marknicholson2281]

Said by someone who obviously wants private healthcare. Which will cost way more. Will leave people without cover and overall worse outcomes. The only people who want this are those working for big pharma companies and the insurance companies. Look at the comparisons by people from the US who now live here or people from the UK who now live in the USA. I’ve seen a few and not one of them doesn’t think the NHS is better. There is case for going over to one of the continental systems of funding. But let’s be clear. We have fewer hospital beds than any of them, we have fewer doctors per 100,000 people. We have fewer nurses than most. And we spend less money than most. We also make use of private health services, which diverts public money to those companies and their shareholders. Too much NHS money ends up paying over the odds for services the NHS could be providing cheaper if they were allowed to. The Tories have spent 14 years diverting NHS money out to their mates. With policies that force GP surgeries to pay more for a AA than they pay for a GP when there are GPs out of work and cannot get work due to these policies. We have agency nurses which cost a fortune because we don’t allow hospitals to recruit enough full time staff. All in their quest for privatisation. To put our tax money in the pockets of the already rich. Just like the Privatised Water Companies. Just like the PPE scandal. I’m a believer in capitalism. But these monopolies and restrictive practices are the enemy of efficient spending.

[@RD210]

@marknicholson2281 private health care is better health care, and cheaper overall

[@AnotherGeordie]

@@RD210how can it be possible to provide the same services privately plus pay dividends to shareholders cheaper than just providing the services without paying out to shareholders? Private provision would target the profitable tasks and leave the costly care that doesn’t generate profit to fall between the gaps