Suella Braverman's comments about Pride were 'horrifying' | LBC Debate

LBC callers react to Suella Braverman's controversial speech to the National Conservatism movement in which she decried government department's displaying the LGBTQ+ Progress flag.
"Far, far too many Tory politicians agree, and still agree, that the Progress flag must be flown to be kind, to be inclusive," the former Home Secretary told the National Conservatism conference in Washington DC.
"The Progress flag says to me, it says to me one monstrous thing: That I was a member of a government that presided over the mutilation of children in our hospitals and from our schools."
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[@matthewcoyle3315]

The first woman seems astounded that the Tories are wronguns.

[@nichobee]

I stopped taking her seriously when she admitted she revoked membership because they threw Boris out. He's even worse than Braverman

[@Soundboy817]

She hasn’t got a clue 😂

[@dnel83]

"are we the baddies?"

[@Hascienda27]

She hates herself for loving them, trying to deny she isn't A member when she probably just threw her member card out and never cancelled 😂 the thing I love the most is how fast Reform got brought up, it's not reform she's arsed about, they're the Nigel gang, the type you'd find licking the real ale signs at the local whetherspoons

[@stephenwestland942]

I love the term wronguns. You are not wrong though :)

[@alexgill2455]

The shock that bigots are bigots is laughable.

[@markwebsdale33]

"I never thought leopards would eat my face..." etc etc.

[@andyquelch5754]

You have no sense of irony do you?

[@vincentvangogh8092]

that she thought Boris was on the right of the tory party is cute lol

[@lcg8220]

Hear me out, I don't know if Braverman is a bigot, I think she's just so completely without morals and convictions that she'll say whatever she thinks will benefit her no matter how utterly reprehensible it is, who it hurts, or the damage it does. And honestly, I think that's worse than being a bigot.

[@OnePunchLion]

​​@@lcg8220 Both can be true at the same time. And if she is OK using the language of a bigot to try to get ahead, then she is probably a bigot.

[@AshMundo]

This first caller crying about bigots but was thinking of voting reform? 🤔

[@emanuel1940]

Well she was a tory so it's telling of her intelligence and moral compass.

[@Kevinacharles]

Her moral compass was all over the place.

[@jimseltzer2002]

Reform bigots gained 4 million votes- and are growing. Denigrate all you like, but they are growing. Vote reform.

[@user-mm8gc5pp1j]

"I never though Leopards would eat MY face," sobs chairwoman of Leopards Eating Faces Party. 🐆

[@eliasnorman711]

Yeah because calling people who don't agree with your politics names is the height on intellectual activity isn't it. This is why reform did and will continue to do so well.

[@colinmccall7824]

"A lot of leftie middle class people now in charge have all got trans childre😄n." Planet Zog calling! 😂

[@dogblessamerica]

Wow the caller at the end was such a breath of fresh air. A lot of us feel the exact same way

[@michelleneeds4165]

Yeah man, really uplifting to hear.

[@melontusk9660]

Once you realise all the conservatives have been doing since 2014 is scapegoating you start to notice it every time they open their mouth and it is pathetic.

[@V4Now]

​@@melontusk9660? They've been doing that since 2010, mate.

[@robinholland1136]

@@V4Now Since way before 2010. Look at the history of the Tories (from the old middle Irish word, 'tóraidhe' meaning 'outlaw' or 'robber') and you will see that their core belief is that wealth and power should be concentrated in the hands of a few, at the expense of every other citizen of the UK. That is their foundational principle. And, as Nye Bevan said, they will never change. I'm in my mid 70s and remember all the damage that they have done in all the administrations I can remember. The only difference with the current iteration of the party is that they have let the mask slip and have revealed themselves for what they really are.

[@temptemp4174]

That guy is the voice of the silent majority

[@Theoffsidetrap011]

That last caller cooked. Absolutely spot on for the vast majority of the UK right now.

[@debb6393]

👏👏👏

[@ggunga7764]

Yes 👍👍👍

[@randybackgammon890]

Man talked absolute sense.But large chunk of the population can easily be fooled otherwise it seems.

[@ce242]

100%

[@peterk4626]

Yup, now that is speaking for the British people.

[@saffaboy2007]

This must be so awkward for Dale. His beloved party hates him, has always hated him yet he keeps shilling for them.

[@Dogboy73]

Not his party, just a certain wing of it that has lost its way.

[@caboosealmighty3735]

Much like braverman. I'm sure the party hates her for the colour of her skin. So it's a caae of her shouting even louder "look at me, i'm a bigot to, I'm one of you guys."

[@PurushaDesa]

Yes, trouble in paradise for Iain Dale and other merchants of Woke Austerity.

[@CHIPorange]

​​@@Dogboy73 ...the wing who have pulled the strings since brexsh*t.

[@fricozoid1]

@@PurushaDesawhat does woke mean? Just define to us right here right now.

[@phillydavison]

The trans community is so small that it just boggles my mind that people get so wound up by it.

[@PassiveAgressive319]

👏👏👏👏

[@user-wc2ss2fe9f]

Because its everywhere this pride bs

[@Bigotsstaymad]

@@user-wc2ss2fe9fand affects u how?

[@sarahjaneross2918]

​@@user-wc2ss2fe9f How does a flag or pride month negatively affect your life?

[@keirmitchell5560]

@@sarahjaneross2918 because it's pointless and disgusting.

[@JanoJ]

Caller #3 the TRUE voice of the man in the street. We just want to live safe and in prosperity.

[@ggunga7764]

People is worried about the cost of living not this bs!

[@garethking1639]

@@ggunga7764 what if giving trans people rights didn’t cost anything? Would you be against it? Is it just because we have bigger financial priorities?

[@timaustin2000]

Second caller is everything wrong with this country.

[@itsagoal182]

Second caller is everything that’s correct with this country. Read the Cass report? You’re welcome.

[@jonb4248]

No, she’s correct. That flag stands for everything that is wrong. The whole movement has brainwashed the vast majority of people. We don’t need a flag. Simply treat everyone equally. Do not give special treatment or attention for behaviour that is different than the norm. The flag is a divisive symbol. Some people see it as an untouchable religion, others view it as nonsense. It’s highly divisive, that is why the powers that be love it. Just fly The Union flag.

[@XAVR_]

​@@itsagoal182 Do you know any trans people?

[@blazzz13]

@@itsagoal182 Yeah we tried that madness for the past 14 years and it was a shtshow. Great you lot are now the loud minority- it's going to be a long time for you lot. Many of the coffin dodgers won't be with us by the time Labour gets voted out

[@PityOnlyFools]

@@XAVR_they never do. Tbf there’s only 100 kids in the UK getting treatment.

[@laurastars]

'children who are being transed' ... credibility lost from this ridiculous caller

[@dannygmtg]

Then claims JKR uses a gentle tone

[@stevqtalent]

i'm sure she thinks she nailed that call

[@ate-4891]

She can't string together a sentance, like shes just forcing buzz word jigsaw pieces together until something kind of fits.

[@makaveli1988]

She was spot on. Some hedonistic tradition.

[@Amousebouche]

She was absolutely correct.

[@ashroskell]

How can that first caller say Braverman did nothing about immigration when she was in office? She did loads! She made the asylum backlog five times longer, gave a cash fortune to a country with an atrocious human rights record for doing NOTHING, got fired for breaking the law, gained the enmity and distrust of the secret services, created Victorian prison hulks, made the most vulnerable people on Earth feel frightened and persecuted, whilst treating them like criminals and putting them in conditions that endangered their health and lives! Oh, and then she joined the people trying to bring down the Tories and sabotaged her own government, displaying the loyalty of a rattlesnake!

[@sv9950]

Can't agree more.

[@bardsamok9221]

Agreed, so much worse. Needs to be held to account. But we can't let her scapegoat responsibility of the many others involved.

[@EpicAelflaed]

Just come out the ECHR ACT - Job done

[@mrchico2621]

Yeah from the footage we see they don't look too vulnerable to be honest.

[@cmasseylynch]

Suella Braverman' reads from the Authoritarian Book for Dummies from Amazon for £9.95 - Always remembering to mention at least one group of people ,whom she can demonise- -combining this with gaslighting .It's the standard approach for people hoping to run an authoritarian country .

[@jameshart3879]

7:35 the fact being trans is lefty is going to be a big shock to katlyn jenner

[@obisan666]

Most are katlyn is an anomaly

[@kevinsmarts9953]

@@obisan666 This only highlights how little you know. There are transpeople of all faiths and political beliefs. Just like sexuality, gender doesn't care who you vote for or pray to.

[@obisan666]

@@kevinsmarts9953 Most are liberal by virtue of how they are treated. Are you the trans spokesperson?

[@jrobs1133]

Name another one

[@kevinsmarts9953]

@@jrobs1133 Name a trans person who is not a conservative.

[@EdwardLindon]

Caller #2: "One last point. How can we tell parents of trans people how disgusting we think their children are?" The sense of victimhood is astonishing.

[@colinmclennan1465]

She should be counting her lucky stars she didn’t find herself in that position

[@lorenzobianchini4415]

I am me and I am proud to be me and gay.I would be ashamed to be a Tory.

[@lordmusea]

Very succinct and excellent synthesis of that second caller’s points. How do these anti-trans folks get away with making it all about their discomfort with the suffering of others?

[@pete_lind]

In USA a Pennsylvania community is mourning transgender teen Pauly Likens, 14, whose dismembered body was found at the end of Pride month. So do these people support the killer , put his picture up , some need to ask JK Rowling , is she paying killers lawyer ?

[@nicciswainhi]

​@@lordmuseaBingo

[@Dogboy73]

Last caller was amazing. I'm on my third listen. Inspiring stuff.

[@matthewcoyle3315]

The second woman: toxic.

[@ZeldaKid5000]

And notice how Dale kept bringing it back to immigration despite the fact she kept talking about trans people? Speaks to his hipocrisy that he can side with JK Rowling and yet get upset about Braverman because she's including him in her attacks. Should be a wake up call for him but I know it wont be

[@jonb4248]

She’s correct, not toxic.

[@joshuabetts2484]

​@@jonb4248definitely toxic

[@mrdaveythebaby]

Even the first one was toxic. That was the quiet, reasonable voice of the facsist enabler. Did you hear that her heart wanted her to vote Reform? Just because she uses a reasonable tone, you still have to listen to her words.

[@matthewcoyle3315]

@@jonb4248 Gibberish.

[@EdwardLindon]

I'm not surprised Iain gives Caller #3 full rein. The man is on fire and tells no lies.

[@ryuhayabaker]

Agree. I like the comments. Tories tried to fight the last election on immigration and culture wars because it's all they have left.

[@stephenlees9386]

​@@ryuhayabaker An amazingly negative campaign from a party that had been in power for 14 years! No expression of any accomplishments at all!!!

[@AndrewWilliams-ry6tb]

@@ryuhayabaker They did nothing on either issue, which is why they were destroyed. Labour will be even worse, and will be obliterated by Reform at the next election. Just look at the turnout, vote share and trend.

[@Edward-cv2gw]

​@ryuhayabaker they didn't though did they. After 14 yrs of wokeness and mass immigration no one bought ant of that,so it wasn't a serious campaign.

[@punjgurl]

@@ryuhayabaker I'm hoping my fellow Americans respond like you Brits did to right wing nonsense.

[@kevburke]

Ian is carrying water for people who would happily put him in a cage.

[@chrisd924]

And then they came for Iain... The Penny Drops...

[@qubitmusictechnology]

Dale is part of the problem, I bet he still voted for his Tory mates

[@ashroskell]

That last caller was spot on. The Tories have paid the price for NOT checking the hate as it grew in their ranks. They just wanted the seats and took in any populist, any incompetent with cash, any, “personality politician,” and hang the consequences! He nailed it!

[@somethinglikeanonymous1773]

As long as there isn’t any anti semetism it’s fine.

[@ashroskell]

@@somethinglikeanonymous1773: Fair enough. You’re talking to a floating voter, not a tribalist. There’s no such thing as a pure party in my view. Just the lesser of so many ills.

[@jameshart3879]

I love it when dale gets angry at the Tories only because it directly effects *him*. Don't forget, he was totally prepared to run for government in the same party as this women. Pearl clutching master

[@MarkCroucherRC4fun]

Boy did that last caller put Dale in his box 😊.

[@xwize]

Caller 3 spitting facts like a maniac, that truth cut like a knife, props to the man

[@deborahgriffith7476]

I don’t like bigots…. But my head said vote Reform ???? They’ve all gone mad!

[@sonofsomerset1695]

No, you're just ignorant of what Reform stand for, you've just got your simplistic picture of them painted by establishment propaganda, why do you think they're the 3rd most people party already after having only just started?

[@NikoHL]

Great idea! We need a disability flag too !! The last caller said what we all think. Our priorities are cost of living, housing, jobs, Environment, crime.. .. Not culture war BS....

[@briancrellin2441]

But he needs to realize that all this is being pushed by the globalists and Keir Starmer is a globalist . So he's a bit off beam on that one .

[@sarahjaneross2918]

I was thinking that too... a disability flag, yes! 🥰

[@SaffineTheGreen]

there is already a disability flag as well as a disability pride flag (not lgbt+pride related)

[@andrewgoodbody2121]

I'm still trying for figure out why she thinks she as an obviously straight woman has ANY right to what we put on our flag

[@kenfox7007]

Last caller is spot on.

[@portzblitz]

This caller is kidding herself. Completely unselfconscious. She might want to try some introspection. She seems intent on denying to herself the truth about the company she keeps... And her own un-deniable culpability.

[@andrewrobinson1479]

Keep talking like this and the right will continue to lose. It's 2024, this host and the callers are stuck in the past.

[@MrPhobart]

Please keep losing

[@jeremymerrifield7244]

@@MrPhobart only the one caller was wrong. The bigot in the middle

[@simongiles9749]

How is "This is a dangerous ideology" a "gentle, reasonable" way of discussing *any* issue and not negatively loaded language?

[@thehellyousay]

cry harder.

[@AK-bx3ft]

TERFs are just going to TERF.

[@simongiles9749]

@@thehellyousay Wow. Great rebuttal.

[@user-mm8gc5pp1j]

Like all Nazis, they can't be taken at face value. Never forget Posie Parker's true "allies" showing up in Melbourne, Australia. There's a reason TERF ideology is so popular with the book burning crowd...

[@Captain_Kremmen]

The notion of that screeching harpy Rowling expressing anything in a 'gentle, reasonable' way is beyond ludicrous.

[@lucasmoreno5330]

Third caller was spot on. "Now they're coming for you Iain" Even after the Tory manufactured culture war lost them their 80 seat majority, they're still at it.

[@MsTravelady]

He sounds as batty as the other two, just in a different way

[@Blackswitch92]

3rd caller is the actual voice of everyone in the UK

[@user-bn5dt9ww4x]

3rd caller with kids in school saying we don't want to hear it ... Legend!

[@jarugie23]

😂😂😂 I was saying it with him too. We're tired of the BS. Enough! We just want to earn enough and love in peace.

[@eliotlandy2798]

‘I left after they slung Boris out…’ he wasn’t ‘slung out’ he ran away like he always does and always will.

[@mauromatos3124]

Only when the far right bigotry knocks at his door does Dale call it out. Everything else is peachy.

[@LeeKelly-dj4rf]

I’m glad I’m not the only person who thinks that.

[@AOK342]

Moderate conservatives opened the door to this bile. They are just as much to blame for this emboldened far right.

[@Samuel-hd3cp]

That's conservatives for you!

[@mrdaveythebaby]

I think we can all see it. Iain just won't let himself see it. And Braverman retains the whip, once again. Sunak has it in his power to take it away. He has had that power ever since he was was made leader and she has done other things that were just as bad, or worse. It was in Sunak's gift to keep her from being a Tory MP again.

[@itsagoal182]

The extreme left are going to ruin this country with ideology and wokery.

[@sandyfitzgerald7652]

What a breath of fresh air from the last caller, absolutely spot on!

[@sonofsomerset1695]

You mean he parroted all the things youve been brainwashed with.

[@andyknowles772]

Imagine being a right wing conservative and surprised by Cruella's homophobia.

[@jake751]

Only because it effects him.

[@tenniskinsella7768]

She's not.

[@asmith6647]

Imagine a Britain in 10 years time when a certain religion has more power and they ban homosexuality….

[@andyknowles772]

@@asmith6647 Imagine if huge space lizards came to eat us. It's about as likely.

[@beaterbikechannel2538]

Imagine being a trans person and thinking those DIY parts you had made are going to work when you're 60. This will all be over in 10 years, consigned to the "yes this was a bad idea" page of history.

[@samim9533]

I applauded the brother that spoke! 👏👍🏼👍🏼

[@tabithabex]

Sorry but the second person is so ill informed. Does she even know any trans people personally to have asked what they think? Third caller helped me regain the will to live after the second ones diatribe, thank you caller !

[@dangumbo4835]

The contrast between the last caller and the second caller is night and day. One has intellect, hope and passion. The second has fear, hate and can't even string a sentence together. If only the second caller had the depth of character to listen to people who are more like the last caller, the country would be doing far better.

[@peterfee2457]

The last gent needs to be a regular caller.

[@idkjustaname]

Are we really going to ignore the fact that Dale just said hes in agreement with JK rowling on trans issues??

[@sonofsomerset1695]

No, you should try to get him cancelled like the pathetic left always do when they cant win an argument.

[@optionhotdogmeowkshake4090]

I know right..

[@callumpascoe8857]

That final caller spoke the words in my head man 👌🏼👌🏼

[@uniquerebeljaney3639]

The last caller is brilliant and spot on.

[@mollyschannel9234]

Give that Man (calling in) a medal!!... He speaks a lot of sense!!👏👏👏👏

[@debb6393]

What a wonderful caller at the end, fantastic listen 👏👏👏

[@sonofsomerset1695]

Because he parroted all the things youve been brainwashed with.

[@benji.B-side]

Nice to see Ian Dale humbled by the last caller. He was spot on in what he said.

[@charlespirate1]

People objecting to the new pride flag and claiming they support the rainbow are kidding themselves. 20years ago they’d have hated that too.

[@Edward-cv2gw]

Both are nonsense. We live in secular Britain 2024,not an Islamic state in the 1700s. The idea we need to obsess over lgbt rights is absurd.

[@stephenelkington4971]

We are not living 20 years ago. Time has moved on - we have changed - maybe you should too.

[@katherynet1424]

spot on!

[@jrobs1133]

@@stephenelkington4971 Yes, the country is soooooooooooooo much better than it was 20 years ago. 🤣🤣

[@stephenelkington4971]

@@jrobs1133 Financially and economically it's knackered. Socially it is actually much better - racism, misogyny and homophobia are now deemed unacceptable to most people. The bigotry and discrimination of 20 years ago are no longer acceptable.

[@Philigan87]

That first woman saying Braverman is a bigot, then saying she's going to vote reform, really is wild.

[@example306]

"My head said Conservative my heart said Reform" and she's out here complaining that Suella is saying bigoted nonsense?!?!? ... Jesus wept

[@AmandaJAart]

My 18yr does not deserve any of this hatred that is been directed at him. I'm a very proud parent, for so many reasons, the main one being that my child is just the loveliest person you could ever meet. I bet caller number two's parents couldn't say anything of the like about her. From what I've heard, she's obnoxious.

[@gadfageyar]

When that man says "now they're coming for you Iain," the look on his face!

[@ggunga7764]

3rd caller: well done 👍👍👍👍👍

[@shkelqimgjergjizi9129]

Last guy it’s a legend, on point every time.

[@gautamdev165]

That last caller was awesome !!! Give him a regular spot.

[@wofutokerati]

@@gautamdev165 Ayo > Iain

[@JC-1405]

JK Rowling is about as 'delicate' as an elephant falling down a set of stairs. The second caller sounds like an absolutely awful person and she's convinced she's right.

[@Koobanhooves]

Exactly. She's made ZERO effort to be reasonable with the other side

[@JC-1405]

@@Koobanhooves Four years ago or so, she was using language that gave her some level of plausible deniability under the guise of 'genuine concerns', whereas now she's not even attempting to hide her dislike of trans people.

[@marktaylor4116]

why ? for stating fact that a woman is an adult female. Sort you're life out

[@Koobanhooves]

@@marktaylor4116 subbed to Dave Rubin, Andrew Bridgen and Dan Wooton.....

[@JC-1405]

@@Koobanhooves Plus Joey Barton, KJK, Paul Joseph Watson and more. It's like a collection of all the most smug, far right mouthpieces on KZbin.

[@sevecc939]

That guy's rant was amazing. That is how most people think. Russell Howard did say great skit on culture wars and nobody really caring.

[@Shaddowkhan]

Caller 3# was cooking.

[@arnoldrimmer4025]

First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me The writer of this poem is Martin Niemöller, he was a German pastor who happily held antisemitic views and supported the Nazis. Up until he was imprisoned when he protested against them taking over the church and was sent to a concentration camp. He was happy to support his party in attacking all these other groups until they came for the one he belonged to. Something to think about Ian...

[@kevwatts1328]

If you're shocked or amazed that she said it, then you haven't been paying attention.

[@Edward-cv2gw]

I'm cheering what she said as a normal chap,not a far left activist

[@kevwatts1328]

@@Edward-cv2gw back under your bridge, troll

[@bardsamok9221]

​@@kevwatts1328Well said.

[@sonofsomerset1695]

You havent been paying attention if you think changing kids gender isnt a sick thing to support, what's wrong with you people!?!

[@Edward-cv2gw]

@@kevwatts1328 I know LBC is left wing safe space for you,but I'm no troll. I am though normal,conservative and British with common sense opinions which might be an even more offensive species to you.

[@czarekp3552]

She's your girl, Iain.... Own it

[@danielbanbury378]

Different as she's attacking himself, but was totally fine when she was attacking everyone else

[@sonofsomerset1695]

Let's see if the left own it when power prices go though the roof when windmills cant run the country like dumb Labour think they can.

[@happycamper90596]

Last caller is spot on. What a legend.

[@charlespirate1]

This caller “ I hate bigotry” “I thought about voting reform” lol lol lol

[@jamescain707]

That last caller is 100% on point. They are unserious.

[@hohohohehehe6910]

Imagine being proud to be right wing

[@hazrover]

Last caller was absolutely on fire, top bloke!

[@Asadkhan-pe2je]

I'm not left or right, I am a human being!!! Treat all people as human beings regardless of your personal views. Too much hate mongering going on.

[@PartTimeDrift]

Never thought I’d see the day in my lifetime that people get worked up over flags. People seriously need to get a grip on reality and life.

[@kevino4372]

It's what the flag represents. It creeps in to society..affects kids thinking, affects the next generation. Cirus on tour

[@alana8863]

Keep going, Suella, you'll keep the Tories out of government for a long, long time.

[@dawnivison7678]

The last caller was spot-on.

[@sonofsomerset1695]

Only if you're ignorant.

[@dawnivison7678]

@@sonofsomerset1695 ignorant of what?

[@sonofsomerset1695]

@@dawnivison7678 exactly.

[@jameshart3879]

2:18 "vote reform they were saying what i agree with" and you're ANGRY at the tories????? Someone square this circle for me

[@sonofsomerset1695]

Easy, Reform are much better than the tory/labour partnership. If you'd been paying attention instead of being manipulated by establishment propaganda you would know this.

[@40yearoldvirgil15]

Snowflake conservatives 😂

[@Stan_55UK]

I have been having similar thoughts. Amazing how the tables turn?

[@stobeszx9674]

Left wing are snowflakes in every possible connotation....they prove it, time after time

[@christopheroconnor81]

A right winger horrified by Cruel Braverman? Irony is dead.

[@sonofsomerset1695]

It's funny how the left think they are the caring side, when they go around calling people gammons and wishing Brexit voters were dead, marching against jews, assualting anyone against Hamas. Yes, irony is clearly dead.

[@CRingsing]

Not convinced your right-wing callers are doing the Tories any favours 😂😂😂 When you say more ‘right-wing’, I assume you mean bigoted, or ??

[@Unchainedboar]

pretty much...

[@bibsp3556]

They mean more hateful, yes

[@itsagoal182]

If facts are bigoted then so be it. The Cass report debunked this ideology yet the extreme left still continue to support cutting up children. The left approach this under the guise of sympathy, but the mask has well and truly slipped and we all can see this now.

[@Cw90118]

Iain still supports the Conservative party... so excuse me if I don't buy his false outrage.

[@dextercool]

Supports? He wanted to run for parliament as a Tory!

[@jfr1995]

That's the point though. You can support a party and disagree with something one of its members says. Why do you think political infighting is such a thing?

[@slenda8205]

@@jfr1995 so at what point would you take back your support if you don’t believe in what they stand for?

[@jfr1995]

@@slenda8205 That’s a separate question really and one I haven’t really thought about. I stand by my original point that you don’t have to agree with every single thing a politician in a party you support says. This is one of the problems with tribal politics. People think they have to be 100% aligned with their political party’s message. People tend to be much more nuanced than that, and agree with some things and not with others. We are people, not sheep.

[@karmaascendant3936]

@@jfr1995that’s the problem though. Dale was perfectly willing to run for THIS version of the Tory party. The version that mocks trans people in front of the parents of children who were murdered for being trans. The version that complains about the immigration that they increase. The version that complains about taxes that they waste and corruptly share with their friends and families. He still genuinely believes that this should be the people who should run our country and believed it was correct for the last 14 years. This isn’t a Braverman exclusive ideology. All the ministers under her, the ministers at cabinet and Sunak himself have all defended her when she made similar statements in the past . That’s all of the party’s best and brightest. He wanted to join them.

[@lukes568]

I can’t believe she is this against bigotry, but would vote reform. Who would definitely say similar things

[@chriswilkinson7636]

Reform are basically a more extreme hate mongering version of the Tories.

[@ChrisumChrisumChrisum666]

That's because you are a bit simple.

[@lukes568]

@@ChrisumChrisumChrisum666 how so mate?

[@ChrisumChrisumChrisum666]

@@lukes568 You're at your best when you're unconscious.

[@lukes568]

@@ChrisumChrisumChrisum666 how so?

[@jackperry2821]

Feel sorry for the second caller in a weird way, she's so far down the dailymail and reddit rabbithole that she can't see real life. She'd be the classic example of ending up having a Trans child and dramatically altering view because it's happened to her. Too many people in this country lack empathy

[@CurtalA]

Hateful people are always miserable inside. Small mercies and all that

[@poshiesymons666]

The last caller 🤘

[@bennyk3799]

Am I the only person that doesn't see a pride flag everyday.. Or encounter mobs of trans persons....

[@wofutokerati]

The second caller thinks there’s “been no debate” on gender ideology and transitioning? Conservatism is jamming your fingers in your ears and humming when you don’t like what you hear!

[@bibsp3556]

They literally just purposefully don't learn anything

[@gipgap4]

There is no such thing as transitioning.

[@bibsp3556]

@@gipgap4 citation needed

[@gipgap4]

@@bibsp3556 no citations needed for complete fiction.

[@PaulaXism]

@@gipgap4 citation needed

[@dvinci2713]

But someone voted for her, she kept her seat! I don't get the shock horror of these Tories who ultimately enabled these bigots. Take some responsibility.

[@badgerbane]

My wife said when she saw this; "it's like she's forgotten that even though she's in America we can still hear her".

[@martinamckeown.4936]

Absolutely 💯

[@Carlos12330]

These Tories only concern is that Braverman is looking more and more deranged and them even less acceptable,I don’t hear any of them calling out 14 years of austerity which destroyed millions of lives!!

[@ChrisumChrisumChrisum666]

What austerity?

[@texaspete33]

That last caller was amazing. Fair play to you.

[@ConfydeMusic]

Third caller was absolutely right on the money. If your main concern is culture war bs about the existence of trans people rather than the cost of living crisis or the collapse if public services then you are deluded and need to find some real problems

[@GEricG]

Braverman knows her audience. She either gets the leadership or she'll find another avenue for making money by being controversial.

[@Adamtendo_player_1]

Suella Braverman and Katie Hopkins are one and the same.

[@EpicAelflaed]

@@Adamtendo_player_1love em

[@EpicAelflaed]

She talks common sense

[@ultimatesnacks6190]

“Middle class trans children” what on earth is that woman ranting about.

[@PaulaXism]

She read it in the Mail.. which of course makes it all true and the right thing to think..... "Hurrah for the Blackshirts" - lest we forget.

[@colinbrown7305]

The last guy is spot on. He is basically speaking my internal monologue out loud. I'd go for a beer with that guy.

[@whackeryounis]

I love how people get so frustrated about less than 1% of the population. it's relatively easy to ignore and get on with your life. it also shows how they have no idea about what people want to deal with. trans issues affect such a minority that it really shouldn't be at the forefront of any political party when the country is so broken.

[@davidatkinson5858]

They generally don't care until that less than 1%population demographic starts trying to dictate which opinions they're allowed to have

[@ricardocima]

No its easy to ignore, since it's all over the place in the media and culture , even with a flag in public buildings.

[@AshOwnz9]

@ricardocima ?

[@ricardocima]

@@AshOwnz9 ?

[@bibsp3556]

Why ignore it? There's no issue. There's just a lot of sad right wingers living in their feelings, rather than reality

[@liambrophy6542]

Give the last guy a slot on that station 👏🏼

[@EpicAelflaed]

But like him they don’t mention the mass uncontrolled immigration along with the crimes being committed or the gru Ming gangs

[@sonofsomerset1695]

Yep, LBC love deluded lefties like him, he will fit right in with the like of James OBrien's bitterness and jealousy.

[@Sherlika_Gregori]

I don’t understand. Isn’t this presenter a ‘proud’ Tory supporter ?

[@bardsamok9221]

They're mainly in it for handing financial advantages to those who need them least

[@mrdaveythebaby]

@@Sherlika_Gregori he tried to stand as a Tory candidate...

[@user-dm5ph5zh7l]

Absolutely

[@davidmchale5890]

Why do people get so worked up about a flag? There are children dying in Ukraine and Gaza and people get upset about a Flag Get real

[@daveygee434]

ROFL. Isn’t this the guy who FAILED to become a vile Tory politician? Now having the cheek to criticise others? So funny. Why are all Tories such horrible people!?

[@mogznwaz]

Just listen to yourself ‘Why are [people with different views to mine] such horrible people?’

[@V4Now]

​@@mogznwaztake what he said in the context of 14 years of Tories doing horrible things. Blatantly horrible things. Frequently.

[@Khalkara]

@@mogznwaz Dave didn't suggest that anyone with a different view to theirs are horrible people, he suggested that conservatives specifically are all horrible people. Also, do you have any actual rebuttal to this? No? Then sit down.

[@shaun906]

@@mogznwaz tories are the nasty party, own it!

[@shaun906]

@@Khalkara i agree!

[@hanselmansell7555]

These Tories are so mindless, they ignor facts and fear everything

[@sonofsomerset1695]

Dont worry, Reform will replace the Tory/Labour circus at the next election.

[@Dave-kg9bb]

First caller - 'can't believe how bigoted she is', moments later 'heart said vote reform'. Same caller but unable to see the irony in probably under a minute of conversation.

[@papylecelte9916]

What I find amazing, is these people after being mislead, lied to, and deprived of their right by the 14 years of disastrous Conservative rules, still vote for them and complain about them. Masochism can be a political strategy, and these people like it.

[@robinholland1136]

It's typical 'cult' behaviour. Even when presented with irrefutable evidence, it is extremely difficult for members of a cult to disabuse themselves and admit that they have been duped and controlled, to the extent that independent thinking becomes impossible.

[@Khalkara]

I don't think they like it, they're just brainwashed to disregard how it negative affects them.

[@hannuala-olla4302]

If this 'trans-ideology' is so dangerous, it should be possible to *show* that it is. Not just claims that it is.

[@tonihunnisett4302]

You need to open your eyes and ears if you think it hasn't been shown to be dangerous- talk to parents of children who have been captured by this evil ideology

[@CuriousCrow-mp4cx]

I think you should take your own advice, and provide evidence for your claims.

[@philthrelfall5294]

​@@tonihunnisett4302Where is the EVIDENCE? Not opinions, theories or prejudices, but the EVIDENCE?

[@sonofsomerset1695]

@@philthrelfall5294 would you like evidence for the Earth being round to? Typical Labour voter.

[@tonihunnisett4302]

@@philthrelfall5294 read the cass report for starters!

[@simonmoseley2198]

The saddest thing for me having grown up and still live in Fareham is that she thinks she's been elected on this rhetoric.

[@gabrielmurphy3405]

I think it was more being voted in on tribalism. If it was rhetoric then Reform would have won.

[@MandyAustin-nl4cn]

Braverman has read the CASS Review while you haven't even heard of it. That's the difference between people who understand the points she is making.

[@jameshart3879]

​@@MandyAustin-nl4cn Is that the widely scientifically lambasted and criticized Cass review per chance?

[@geeksworkshop]

Pretty much she was! People know who she is and what she represents.

[@geowoo8884]

This lady is dangerous.

[@castortroy5263]

A classic case of “it’s not happening unless it’s happening to me”

[@perro0076]

About immigration...... where would America be without it? Give that one a thought. Whilst you're there, include Australia, New Zealand and South America.

[@PaulaXism]

Everywhere outside Ethiopia really.. I think that's where humans first got started.