Le Mans 1999 - Race Part 3/6 Mercedes CLR Onboard and Crash

[@removedmotivechannel]

I wish we got racing like that again... I mean look at this lineup! CLR GTR, GT One, R91, BMWW V12 LMR and many more. absolutely bonkers and awesome

[@unknownuser8228]

Brother's been taking meme syringes when he said "CLR GTR"

[@Akhiii_]

3:45 "Bouchut is really flying, we've caught him on a very hot lap indeed" LOL

[@christianponicki9581]

3:27 "...the Mercedes _flying_ in pursuit of one of the Toyotas..." I don't think the commentator understood just how punny that remark was.

[@shazmeister2005]

Mercedes knew there was a problem, you see the 2 little wings on each side of the front of the 5 & 6 cars they added for the race. As well as this the drivers were instructed not to follow people directly over the bumps, if you look at the Mercedes cars all through the race you will notice that a Mercedes never follows a car directly over the Mulsanne hump e.t.c, i presume Dumbreck thought he was far enough back from the Toyota to be safe keeping his line but alas.

[@scoredbuffalo31]

Due to the pitch of the car, its Canards that were added and suspension that were tuned to negate this wouldnt have helped anyway with the tracks bumpy surface at some straights. They tried something but in the end didnt work out as their cars flipped 3 Times

[@signorpippistrello]

Unbelievable they sent the second car into the race after the other one with Mark Webber had taken off twice! Highly irresponsible.

[@bestopinion9257]

And that after asking Adrian Newey what should they do and Newey said to retire all cars from the race.

[@signorpippistrello]

@@bestopinion9257 It really was a ….well, dumb wreck.

[@SiVlog1989]

Interestingly enough, the third CLR, driven by Bernd Schneider, Frank Lagorce and Pedro Lamy, didn't flip at all during the Le Mans activities. Schneider not only said the CLR was the best car he'd ever driven, but he blamed Dumbreck and Webber for the reason the cars gained a reputation of taking off. It seems a bit bizarre as (as mentioned already) Adrian Newey told them the car was so aerodynamically unstable (both too pitch sensitive and the aero balance was too far forward for the car) that they should have withdrawn from the race. The trim tabs were simply nowhere near enough to counter act the tendency for the front to lift at speed.

[@kysrn-w8y]

I mean wat could have Mercedes done? There’s no time to jus make another car

[@signorpippistrello]

@@kysrn-w8y Right! So the ONLY reasonable thing to do is to keep drivers, marshals and spectators safe and retire from the event.

[@cesarlunakimbobby]

para siempre en mi corazón, los buenos tiempos que no volverán. la mejor carrera de la historia de las 24 horas de le mans, la edición del año 1999. muy dificil que vuelva a haber una carrera mejor que esta. audi, bmw , mercedes, toyota ,nissan, porche, panoz , esta es una carrera inalcanzable, inigualable, única, irrepetible, épica. esta carrera fue mágica, nunca jamás habrá nada igual. le mans 1999 para siempre. RIP michele alboreto. audi.r8r.

[@Skippy-id9yt]

Remember watching this on the news in Australia, can't believe it was 20 years ago.......shit , I'm old now ...ha ha

[@shitoryu8]

very fortunate that the clr didn't fly off on the part of the track with all the spectators....that would of been horrendous.

[@peekaboo1575]

It wouldn't be the first time a Mercedes did that.

[@AlexS9403]

@@peekaboo1575 Pretty sure it was all thanks to the cunt in the Jaguar.

[@2010nicedevil]

​@@peekaboo1575also ain't the first time Mercedes flew

[@Christoffski]

Thanks for uploading this. It's my favourite Le Mans. I just wish the TS020 had won!

[@donniemarks94]

I remember watching this race live when I was 9 I miss those days

[@zahidkhan5733]

2023 - 1999 + 9 = 33 years old this year?

[@SuperCrownx]

Damn bro is 34 year's old

[@sonicadx]

Watching videos like this makes you feel GT5 needs more cars...

[@Montgomery_N_Pottichen04]

For real though GT5 could’ve had more cars and race tracks.

[@quasiphatpaul]

I once while driving this track in an 06 renault f1 car playing rfactor lost my front wing and had this same thing happen to me cresting the same hill. Just a game but it shows that lack of front downforce and the right top speed makes this a fairly predictable outcome.

[@leeday2265]

It wasn't the lack of front downforce. The car is pretty long and they had the rear wheels as far forward as they possibly could so that at speed it pushed the back end down and the rear wing had less drag. To do this they also ran a softer suspension than normal (hence the bobbing look) with the back end pushed down, the front end came up and with a flat undertray............

[@removedmotivechannel]

hi tried the CLR in Assetto Corsa just for fun in my very first lap i was send flying on the "Flugplatz" i didnt try to do it honestly. I was shocked that it already had happened despite me just getting used to the car. and strangely, i tried multiple times again to send the car flying. But it somehow didnt work. i was faster then before but the car did never got airborne. Something must have been done / just right to let them fly high. otherwise great cars, with awesome look and bloody fast

[@panzr]

Man, those Mercedes sound mean

[@TheTotallyRealXiJinping]

Fly mean too

[@thevmanvj]

The two (2) chicanes were added to the 3.2-mile long Mulsanne Straight because the FIA would no longer sanction a race track that had a straightaway longer than two kilometers. Before they were added, the prototype GT-1 cars were blowing through there at 240-250 mph!Unfortunately,in the case of the Mercedes CLR's, the "blowovers" or flips were clearly caused by a design flaw.

[@MDDeGrande1994]

I understand you and I kinda agree with you, but there were no GT1 cars before they added the two chicanes. They added these two chicanes in 1990 but the Group C cars still raced there until 1993. The GT1 cars first started racing in 1993, though the first year they raced in Le Mans was 1994 (just like the LMP1 and LMP2 cars).

[@sleatbuts]

yeah, and holy shit i remember this, i was like 4 yrs old and i saw this replay on tv once. jeez this is bringing back memories

[@MiG-25IsGOAT]

Man that sleek look of that mercedes

[@ScarfaceHood]

The CLR got to much air under the car cause of that he took off. And helly yeah Le Mans in the 90 was great. I remember the times with the great Porsche 911 GT1 and Mercedes CLR. Damn i wish those times would come back.

[@schotsman]

These old GT1's/GTP's all took off behind another car LMP1/GTP. The nose needs air presure to stay on the ground, because the wing takes presure from above and the undertray on de front takes air from beneath. Basically, when the airpressure from the nose is altured because a car in front, they fly.

[@jkk20]

never saw the nissan nor toyota fly off... but it sure was a german thing... 911 gt1 took off and so did the benz clr's.

[@nickofzo]

whatever happened, mercedes should make le mans cars again cause they are soo cool

[@deggis4]

...well for mostly for the reason that the chicanes are there. High top speed is still important but it has limits obviously. If the chicanes weren't there I bet we would see cars going near 400 km/h. Easily. And that would be nuts... think about getting airborne like we have now seen several times this year... Ortelli in Monza, Walter-Cambpell in Monza, Pug & Gene in Le Mans testing...

[@LolaJudd]

i talked with peter dumbreck at the 2007 Laguna Seca ALMS race. He said he had a bruise or two and headheaches.

[@Tactical300]

Yes but it is more prevalent on such a car as the CLR because it's also a closed top car, which means that the air pressure of the flow traveling over the top of the car was reduced even further than an open cockpit prototype. Couple that with the pressure differential inside the cockpit and the critical difference that rake angles make on such a vehicle, you have a side effect due to the design of the vehicle. In other words, a design flaw. It should have been considered during its conception

[@muscless89]

Massive flying crash happens Race organizers: "Oh no! Anyway..."

[@alamy313]

The sound of this Mercedes CLR is reminiscent of an American V8 Muscle Car I would say. Does anyone else enjoy listening to this kind of car sound?

[@17drw]

my little boy watched this with me, even he was gob smacked, this is an amazing piece of footage.

[@jonnyspa27]

I know that part of the issue was the fact that the general shape of the CLR was more like a normal airplane wing. e.g. more surface area on the top of the car as opposed to the bottom. This and the fact Dumbreck was quite close to the rear of the GT-One Toyota perhaps took a bit of air off the front of the car on that 2nd kink leading to Indianapolis. Thoughts?

[@extremedrivr]

The completely flat bottom in my humble opinion along with the overal shape of the car had everything to do with it. Remember the 1998 version of the 911 GT1 did about the same thing at Road Atlanta. I don't like completely flat bottoms on a car because there's nowhere for the air to go but up, aka lifting the car like a plane.

[@jonnyspa27]

@@extremedrivr Yes indeed. A perfect storm in design terms.

[@extremedrivr]

@@jonnyspa27 Yeah and I think lessons were learned from this terrible weekend.

[@shazmeister2005]

no it was a design fault, the car was shaped too much like an aeroplane wing, a racing car needs to be like this to make it as aerodynamic as possible but too much so and it becomes nose-light at speed. there is a compromise to be made. in turbulent air following a car this problem is accentuated and combined with the natural nose going light over a crest it spells distster for a car like this because instead of "jumping" like e.g. a rally car does its wing shape basically makes it take off

[@roadrailer1656]

When Peter was interviewed. He said "to whom are you speaking to? And would somebody answer that phone!!"

[@CyborgAkuma20022]

Lol thats the best announcement I've heard an announcer say. Lol that accent was hella funny. Oh my god!! oh myyy goodd!!

[@aloniabasmerom8868]

I've been wanting to hear the sound and the engine of the Mercedes CLR and it's a V8 that sounds really nice like the current Mercedes AMG GT3 race car

[@Troggle84]

I'm not sure, but in addition to what you previously said, Dumbreck might have clipped the curb and gotten the right front corner of the Mercedes just slightly off the ground. And at those speeds, it doesn't take much.

[@deadpeasant4178]

i love that sound❤

[@MatrixDiscovery]

Holy shit…that onboard on the Benz really puts into perspective how slow road cars are.

[@prototype615h]

I think it's the clk-gtr you are talking about. it is a bit taller than the clr

[@noobsaibot7006]

When Adrian Newey said you fcked up you know you fcked up lmaooo

[@SirYami220]

One minute that CLR was ripping up the track and in the blink of an eye it's flying off of it. It's kind of funny to see the Porsches alongside cars like the Toyota GT-One or the BMW V12 LMR. They look almost tame next to them.

[@LB1973]

10th, they were put in for the 1990 race. Minor technicality though.

[@muulka]

@hereHehereHE It's the le mans 24 hours. Search it on Wikipedia lol. I think that the clk gtr raced in 1998, but wasn't as competitive as this particular one, the CLR. Confusing lol

[@ooklutz]

THat was at road atlanta at the petite le mans race for the american le mans series.

[@DarthWillie]

Mercedes retired the #6 car immediately after Dumbrecks crash.

[@thevmanvj]

Certainly. They knew it was a design flaw. The Mercedes CLR suffered 2 blowovers in less than 24 hours. The one with Mark Webber was on the warmup lap. If I was team manager, I would absolutely withdraw.

[@Smittyschannel]

that wiper straight up & down would drive me nuts

[@thevmanvj]

According to the Hospital report Peter Dumbreck "was no more than bruised". If the car landed windscreen down, the results may have been very different. He landed whells down and probably saved his life.

[@heyhags5583]

"15 years"...the chicanes were added in '90. Put me in that booth

[@MrCharlou92]

Hum... Where were Fox Mulder and Dana Scully to examine this paranormal accident of a flying Mercedes ? I think it is a very interresting case for the X-Files ^^

[@thevmanvj]

Certainly Dumbreck getting into the dirty air of another car along with that tricky crest going through the 2nd dog-leg heading into Indianapolis didn't help much.But,I can't ignore the fact that the Mercedes CLR's had 3 blowovers in one weekend.Chris Webber had two; one during qualifying,the other during the Morning Warm-up. I can only conclude that the incidents were more than coincidental.Mercedes withdrew after Dumbreck joined "The Blowover Club". They weren't about to take any more chances.

[@upfrontbear74]

Is Jo Winkelhock related to the late Manfred Winkerlhock

[@MDDeGrande1994]

Yes, they are. I believe they are father and son or something like that.

[@MrEurocup]

Joachim „Smoking Jo“ Winkelhock is the younger brother of the deceased Manfred Winkelhock. Manfred‘s son, Markus Winkelhock is driving the Audi R8 LMS GT3 at various events around the globe.

[@cesarlunakimbobby]

no race like Le Mans 1999, the mega career history for ever and ever the best race of all time, magic, and eternal. 24 h le mans 1999, this race will forever be in the first position of eternity.

[@deggis4]

I hate when all European tracks are becoming airfields with tarmac run off areas, so I dont like that kind of safety shit but did you forgot they already hit 400 km/h on the Mulsanne in 1987-89? Think how fast modern protos could go. That would be seriously nuts.

[@gino800]

its live but someone edited the footage themselves to only show the lmp1 stuff

[@shazmeister2005]

this is a rip of the hightlights video, i have the video well i used to anyway, the footage is from eurosport, i dunno if this guy did the live commentery or if he is just commentating the highlights

[@Osierus]

The Officials should have banned this CLR's from entering after the first 2 previous flips, or atleast Mercedes should have showed some intelligence and pulled the cars out themselves but instead chose to put the drivers and spectators at risk. Idiots!

[@pellergin]

Adrian Newey, then with Mclaren Mercedes, told Mercedes to pull out, before the race.

[@jamiecloughgaming25387]

@@pellergin Bollocks!

[@liviusolcovenco6575]

Risk is fun

[@nicolaeblaga7584]

So bad for Mercedes, however, I believe those were the most beautiful cars out there !!!

[@Applemania12]

true

[@jamiecloughgaming25387]

Nah the Toyota GT-One was...

[@mb013962]

@clarktista1 it has the chicane GT5 is awesome!

[@19Karoll95]

I Love Le Mans !

[@xj220se]

Amazing video.. I still can't believe all this really happened, but oo well, I still love that damn car lol.. I think that that Merc could've won that race easy if only it managed to stay on the ground. A lotta things were up against the CLR: the supposedly 'aerodynamic flaw,' the crests, the lack of downforce on the front end because of the Toyota.. Im glad the drivers were okay but i'm real disappointed at Mercedes for letting this same thing happen so many times (qualifying, warm-up, race) =/

[@boostincoyote]

@sysrq120 its not crap aero dynamics or too light. Its what happens when you are just at the perfect distance from the car in front where you get "dirty" air and not enough air hitting your car to produce the sufficient downforce at that speed

[@thevmanvj]

The worst motor racing disaster took place at Le Mans took place in 1955.Pierre Levegh lost his life in an accident driving a Mercedes.Upon impact,the car disintegrated in flames sending the engine as well as other debris from the front-end of the car into the stands. 80 spectators also perished.

[@MrErickNilson]

Existem vários desses carros no jogo Gran Turismo!

[@madworkzer]

Nice!

[@macmacmacdre650]

lol this guy said the chicanes had been for more than 15 years, it wasn't even 10 back in 1999

[@Nskawtea1]

Damn, that really sucks

[@xXRocketToUranusXx]

Croup C in le mans in the 80's 400+km'h

[@matheusmoreiradossantos5133]

Hothmans Porsche 962

[@StickyBadger]

@FrodothePuppet No you can make that up.

[@LexSullivan]

ladies and gentlemens welcome to CLaiR flight number 5, please buckle up and prepare for take off! XD

[@FlamerK6]

sounds pretty logic imo

[@clarktista1]

is circuit de la sarthe no chicane i know this from gt5

[@Quadrant14]

And poor Mark Webber had 2 of these flips in 2 days with his Mercedes, what a mess it was, Though I wished the Toyota did not get that punture in the last 45 min which I believ cost it the race

[@amjan]

Anybody knows how those cars' speed compared to F1 cars??

[@gerson425]

Mercedes should start making planes XD

[@TwistedCantQuickscope]

7:49 I BELIEVE I CAN FLY

[@koukiR32]

Obviously the aerodynamic Chief designer's miscalculate the required downforces. Porsche did the same with their GT1 evolution model. Exact same problem where their car took off. Guess that's what happens when you push the safety limit for that little extra straightaway speed.

[@A7V2]

Yer, den dey put chicanes along mulsane

[@thevmanvj]

They put the chicanes on the Mulsanne Straight because the FIA mandated it. The. FIA would no longer sanction a road circuit with a straightaway longer than 2 kilometers. So, they cut Mulsanne Straight into 3 pieces to comply with this mandate.

[@jeby144]

Haha "young mark weber"

[@DAN28289]

Le Mans 24 Hour

[@alxcsb]

They should have made some changes to the cars, at least.

[@billho4038]

It a repeat of the GT porsche

[@fangeo]

But a plane without wings wouldn't take off! I know what you mean though ;)

[@stu22aus]

Yeah there's your problem....

[@norfloslotcar]

WOW...I didnt know !...good he didnt die...Man the slotcar version doesnt do this car any justice..this car was LOW and SLEEK...(too sleek no downforce) but the slotcar version sits high like a 911 or something

[@danno700]

LOL

[@sleanss]

07:48 they killed kenny! you bastards!

[@austinc.1495]

To bad the clr was to dangerous it was a very fast car

[@mczaga]

is the Pilot died?

[@SleepyOddish]

No

[@jacob_abobo]

Ner put 0.25x on 8:03

[@c4tze]

yep, as in other races, the clr really had big chances on winning. excellent car but sadly the front part is aerodynamically crap. could have been prevent by a different shaped lip easily.

[@thecodewhiz526]

Did I just watch a 17-year-old KZbin video? 💀

[@AudiA8YTZ]

Yhea And?

[@LamborghiniHuracanYTZ]

Yes And? Whats The Problem?

[@cool_kiddo98]

Yeah and?

[@thecodewhiz526]

@ looks like going back in time

[@cesarlunakimbobby]

yes

[@jraybay]

pierre luigi martini XD

[@06kohlert]

well, 50/50 chance then i guess!

[@muulka]

Lol very rapid German lady >.

[@mczaga]

the Pilot has been died?

[@liviusolcovenco6575]

No

[@06kohlert]

this is why the swiss have had a ban on motorsport in their country since then! and hence, bugger all decent swiss race drivers!

[@lorenzothebest98]

jeez 8:08

[@conorolled]

all lemans drivers go oon 2 f1, heidfield and webber

[@Gtcars12]

2:21 tail to bmw🔥

[@didlay]

youhouuuu

[@clarktista1]

@mb013962 year mann im in Lvl32 :D

[@3wGaming]

this race is brought to you by red bull!....

[@adiadipar]

Fast af 2:49

[@c4tze]

hell yeah google for the concept / erlkönig pics of the lmp1 porsche ... just faptastic