Infamous League Players - L9

[@LeagueRecap]

To clear things up, 0bsess and smm are no longer affiliated with L9 and are not toxic. They are focused on maintaining their positions on teams and their careers and/or looking to join a team.

[@tmra77unnbekannt36]

More of this please!

[@rj3654]

League Recap you forgot a wilddaddy 😠

[@balazsmester8699]

he is not in L9 lmao

[@famouscritic5098]

League Recap 0bsess is in l9~ group few days ago when he streamed he had it behind name btw still duoqs with rat sometimes

[@smellyfish36]

rat isnt really toxic, hes pretty much standard EUW level

[@PhantomCheddar]

its kinda funny how this portrays l9 as like some sort of evil group of unstoppable super villains

[@RedOli84]

I mean theyre skinny pathethic trolls irl so I guess he changed it to sound better

[@iceguy003]

@@RedOli84 shit like this is too edgy gamers were a mistake

[@condimant811]

Akatsuki

[@fusionfallmaina]

Axel B it’s not good to be fat or a stick

[@TheSoroLP]

Axel B shut up you toothpick

[@a123456]

and now, selfmade is in fnatic.

[@silverflow8260]

and rat somewhat reformed and does voice on twitch, what a time to be alive

[@pogchamp2897]

And Ap0calypse targeted ans inted tyler and prevented him from reaching challenger in 2018

[@yobinauq]

Ap0calypse reached challenger with 70% winrate on Janna (Qishilu1)

[@energyzz2134]

btw selfmademan is from poland?

[@dmastervideos]

@@energyzz2134 yes

[@AA-qy5bq]

Currently: Rat: Streamer/KZbinr Selfmade: Jungler for Fnatic Obsess: Jungler for Mousesports Ap0: Probably dead

[@PawelNev]

Selfmade met Apo almost 2 weeks ago in league solo q champ select tho

[@zerquex4520]

ap0 and his cp discord getting raided by fbi 24/7

[@testaccount8q256]

@Szabó Borsa just search it up lol hes still playing soloq

[@zarvix4719]

ap0 is on euw duoing with psz on an account named "princess kika"

[@lellelelelelellelelele]

Hampus Törnros what the fuck. I just sear he'd him. 88% support, I am sure he's duoing, but still, what the fuck?

[@HeyRoosty]

RatIRL has really calmed down lately since he started streaming with mic. He's actually super funny, especially when he duo's with IWD. I guess having his voice out there gave hiom a sense of humility. Hella fun to watch.

[@YNOBLITZ]

He was never as toxic as apo, he just did the typical euw run it down strat

[@sl1de847]

Nitin Obla at one point he was just as toxic, but as he said on stream he doesn’t care about ranks anymore and he just wants to fuck around. The real reason he isn’t toxic is because he doesn’t like leveling accounts and if you do anything in league now you get permabanned so easily. I watch most of his streams and sometimes when he’s on his ZZZ ZZZ acct (more try hard challenger account) he just pops off in chat and gets super angry.

[@Arkantos1900]

Now they are two pro players, and a successful streamer. Then there's Ap0

[@xdlaughemoter]

Arkantos1900 GO NEEEEXT

[@edgarovsepian5988]

Arkantos1900 yep ap0 is in jail :(

[@mioszba5801]

Lil Genocide no?

[@pedrovenegas7870]

@@edgarovsepian5988 ??? Explain please

[@bogdanstojanovic2540]

Lil Genocide whaaat

[@theguythatuploadstrance]

From L9 to LEC, what a ride, selfmade :D

[@StrazzieB47]

V0lk4n00 not to mention rookie of the split - dude’s killing it in the LEC

[@nichtdu9103]

downgrade. *

[@SW3SIT3]

now maybe fnatic

[@feste2329]

to FNC

[@Akshay.K0]

to one of the best junglers in the west

[@up1in2space3]

I agree on the reporting system. Int all you want, but once you say something negative in chat reported. Riot needs to fix this.

[@christofferrasmussen6533]

But that's still super wrong though. Yeah the bot they got handling the bans can detect toxicity in all languages, but it learns from people reporting, and getting spam-reported will still get you banned/punished no matter what because the bot is stupid. And since it's a learning AI, eventually if enough players who only type "glhf" get reported, the bot will recognize "glhf" as a toxic phrase, and punish you for that too.

[@TheRealScarion]

It's not a learning AI. It's a coded AI. There are flagged words put up by Riot. The AI doesn't flag words by itself.

[@marioruizplaza805]

@@TheRealScarion besides that, once you get chat banned they keep banning you everytime no matter how many people or why have they reported you

[@TheRealScarion]

@@marioruizplaza805 perhaps

[@marioruizplaza805]

@@TheRealScarion Im talking from personal experience here, I got permabanned because of negative attitude (telling flamers to stfu, saying ff 15 some games), Rioters say my ban is justified and cant be removed although some told me its undeserved

[@Tarzaned]

EL NINE

[@Tom-jr4hc]

Reformed

[@justmyth9439]

Dad, please behave on your up coming games. Luv you.

[@ミニシュ]

EL NINO MUCHO

[@FLFleXx]

Caleb W what do you mean reformed? He just got perma bc he autolocked teemo and ran it down mid flaming some teemo main

[@DorianRatajczak]

L9

[@LAM0601]

that ending lmao "keeping it sportsmanlike" great vid

[@YzaesDuo]

N

[@mrsenpaihd7485]

@@YzaesDuo I

[@8cz124]

@@mrsenpaihd7485 G

[@L9PedroMainKassadin]

@@8cz124G

[@jzy-fiw]

@@L9PedroMainKassadin E

[@betternerfrengar3431]

Even tho im not toxic at all, im kinda enjoying these Infamous videos so much :D. They are so well made and good to watch!

[@marekzmarek5141]

BetterNerfRengar yea

[@BookieShmook]

Why'd you have to mention you aren't toxic?

[@dogdobber]

IMPOSSIBRU haha dank meme xdd

[@impossibru7259]

not rly

[@asycfan8694]

BetterNerfRengar not toxic and you play league yeah lol and im challenger 3745 lp

[@voltroum]

You can see that obsess and smm leaving L9 really Hit apocalypse hard.

[@nissaoc7284]

Your editing is so good, really thought this was a movie about a drug cartel or something like that.

[@Ahrone1586]

XDDDDDD

[@urbanizedpizza]

yea this guy knows what hes doing

[@steviejrr]

it's not that good at all

[@Shaclone]

low nine more like low iq and 9 stands for their actual iq

[@perryy6528]

Shaclone Daddy Shaco spreading the love.

[@TheSektr]

you should consider joining them as well then.

[@yagziledontstarve3203]

u 0 iq thai 9 iq 9>0 rekt

[@zeniax4841]

Coming from the shaclown himself..

[@user-zg7zk2dy1m]

Thats funny, if they have an iq of 9 why do they have higher winrates and are also ranked higher than you?

[@icedbun652]

Dekar acting like he has any viewers to type in his chat LUL

[@ludmil3024]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[@M1st0g4nJust4U]

not only that, but asking ppl to leave or to ban them bcs they watch someonelse, it could be anyone, it's a D move from dekar, hes the true bitch there

[@whitebeg5819]

rat IRL sub btw XDDDD can I. PLZ JOIN L9 STOP IGNORING ME ON TWITTER RAT WHRES AP0 XDDD

[@dmitriykomarov694]

Axel Ferreiras I mean I watch them because they are so good it's scary

[@wyattwillner9837]

i hope you all relize that dekar was joking if you watch any of his content ita like all that sarcastic over reaction stuff

[@bao6287]

Drututt 2021: "CAN I JOIN L9!? CAN I JOIN L9!?"

[@gabedurno6780]

And now Rat IRL is a successful streamer, who would'a thought

[@y_kazz3263]

rat is a succesfull streamer, selfmade is in fnatic, obsess is a pro player and ap0 is #1 euw

[@sammuelalcantara1178]

Watching this makes me feel watching a super villain lair scene in a movie. And I’m like the person who just enter a portal of fantasy.

[@photon4855]

+1 for the epic intro

[@NannaDah]

+Draven lol 😂😂

[@DeadHawk23]

I mean they seem like people who just wanted to see how far they could go until riot banned them in high elo lol

[@st4rlegend716]

How funny when Shaclone calls someone low iq trash when he became hardstuck d3 and got banned around 6 times for being toxic and trollig

[@ollilehtinen9792]

funny how u talking. he was rank 4 in season 5

[@tr0np0]

@@ollilehtinen9792 season 5 ghhahhahaahahahahah

[@leanderzukic2075]

@@tr0np0 you didn't even play s5

[@ianmount8585]

Tr0np0 season five is still relevant, anything after 3 is really

[@DonkeyFucker3000]

St4r Legend since when does low iq mean low elo?

[@Aseryo-]

9:18 "I just watched a Lee Sin tutorial, look guys INSEC"

[@kasowski_]

And now Selfmade is going to Worlds 2020 with his FNC Roster! :)

[@joshuajohnson5946]

and got reverse sweeped kekw

[@GetTheMessage69]

that didnt age well

[@NDREI3000]

well they almost beat the favorites going into worlds 2020 tho

[@santana9434]

@@GetTheMessage69 wym they made it to finals or semi finals

[@ChaBawbe]

your video is perfect. Made them look like an elite death squad and like any deathsquads we get to see on tv shows, some of them are good people, some of them are evil but they all have something in common, their skills

[@isabellagronroos2431]

Its MUCH harder for the automatic ban system to know who INTED and who just played poorly. The reason chat is much easyer way for bans is obvious: It leaves clear and simple evidence of what you did. Rito does not want people who are having bad games being afraid of getting banned for it on top of it already feeling horible.

[@selby545]

Don't make it automatic then. There is a fucking replay system for a reason.

[@umno9830]

@@selby545league of legends has almost 1 mil average concurrwnt viewers lol. How many people do u think they would need to hire to actually watch replays of every game where someone got reported? Especially for a problem that’s only really bad for the top 0.1% of players? And when reporting ppl for actual bad games is just normalized? I couldn’t think of a better way to burn money as a business lmao

[@Digi7y]

i pref L9ers every game rather the "innocent" ones that go 0/7 but they aren't toxic so the system bypasses them.

[@farhatsharif3100]

Bobi finally someone understands me

[@blackahmed6117]

so basically the same except they flame the whole game while inting

[@ww_artemis]

Tbh I prefer a friendly losing mate rather than a toxic asshole carrying me

[@jinxd511]

wow why? you like loosing ranked games?/

[@Andicus]

must be why you never win.

[@vaisiiusna7098]

Played a game with 0bsess in NA servers today, nice guy, super cool.

[@lophixeuw9496]

Idk why people like shaclone comment here, shaclone is one of the most embarassing beings ive seen. L9 started being toxic cause they were good af. now they are toxic because otherwise they wouldnt get attention from their 15 y/o fanboys. Still, players are insane.

[@me56ize]

Lophix EUW L9 are trash

[@UndercoverWerbung]

Osiris you fat NA player

[@espressonoob]

Lophix EUW shaclone is a god ur a vayne player no argument lol

[@DreamaImdreaming]

I think who is lower than them (speaking of elo) shouldnt say El NiEn since they are all low plat and gold i mean you cant say he is tard or something when he is master and (in this case shacole ) hardstuck diamond it makes no sense

[@lophixeuw9496]

i am masters on 2 accounts, wheres shaclone? hes so far down in diamond i dont even meet him when i smurf.

[@Joemama02]

Obsess and selfmademan are just normal players other 2 aren't

[@Pegasisbey]

Jelle Peeters *humans

[@espressonoob]

Exdee ur a downs child tho?

[@yellowandlimegrat4724]

you're*

[@Hidea98]

though*

[@balls-lover-34]

They used to be part of l9 though

[@UnordinaryCarl]

1 year later and watching it for the 5th time, loving this L9 psychopaths

[@UnordinaryCarl]

6:30 - 6:50 madlad didn't even smite

[@BizarreKoopa]

I love the quality and effort that you put into your videos!

[@mosinyou]

honestly this video is so well made

[@shadysaiyan]

Wow man, the quality of these videos..are so good. Worth the wait

[@Armin19821_]

You didn't film offrole 0bsess Ryze what a disappointment.

[@fakeveryfake355]

or illaoi :O

[@incarnati0n3]

I got out of bronze with playing only twitch and watching RAT IRL videos. love that guy.

[@incarnati0n3]

still true

[@DROGOC0P]

@@incarnati0n3 rat gives me life

[@skipper1919]

7:51 he actually won that game what a madlad

[@jonasjonas920]

This man deserves more subs these vids are so well made and fun to watch thank you!

[@tylersamuels4438]

You forgot to add the part where Selfmade picked Infinity edge on Reksai and inted in the LEC playoffs.

[@abhisekbhatt1037]

Had to stop in the middle of this video to say Great Edits League Recap!!!! I am enjoying this video!

[@abhisekbhatt1037]

3:37 is my favourite part the way you sync the edits with the members great stuff

[@faith4099]

Rat isn't really toxic he even gave me twitch once

[@KevinSongEdie]

The quality of these videos have gone up so much since I started watching you. Keep up the great work!

[@XAn0nymousX0]

@League Recap starting to think you might be a bit of a fan of these guys =). They make a good point about riot though, same as dunkey did. You can be "friendly" and int all game for multiple games and nothing will happen but if you say a mean thing you get banned instantly. It's a joke.

[@K0ragg]

Yeah, sad but true.

[@iamtheram3647]

not really, i havent been banned but i got 2 week suspension cuz they thought i was inting...I was just lagging really hard and if i went afk then i wouldve gotten reported. They claim it was cuz i was toxic but its funny when my texts were all positive maybe a few complains explaining that i was lagging but no toxicity. They just did that cuz i ruined everyone's matches. Its weird that they havent gotten reported though, like maybe no one reported them after game or maybe riot doesnt want to ban them for some reason.

[@K0ragg]

Not in my case, I got suspended 2 weeks for telling a lvl 7 Dia Janna Main (in a normal) to kill herself (jokingly) for playing her main in a normal. She kept trying to fuck up my lethality Jarvan 1 shots. I sometimes 1 shot her when she was shielding somebody else just for the lulz. In any case, they didn't find me saying those things too funny, although I never ment them and I even told them I wasn't being serious when they started complaining a bit. Nevertheless, they were a 5 man premade and they all reported me xd. Insta 2 week suspension lol. Still ended with honor lvl 5 tho last season :p. It was my only major offence. I don't usually flame and I wasn't even trying to flame there, was just being offensive for the lulz. My bad though, I guess the other people couldn't tell it through text.

[@darkness6577]

K

[@urbanizedpizza]

@@K0ragg relatable, I don't think there is anyone who's played a large amount of league that this hasnt happened to. That's why these vids are so popular.

[@ΥιόςτουΘεού]

Anyone here after he joined Fnatic?

[@huauau]

selfmade one of the 3 possible mvps for lec spring lmao, L9 ftw

[@na-wk8ex]

selfmade is a fucking beast

[@T1fightingfaker]

1:00 goosebumps

[@figuer4208]

Nils in good way tho

[@djaw_]

Eh, it was pretty cringe tbh

[@TyranDjaq]

?

[@TyranDjaq]

@@djaw_ true haha

[@arttialford1]

jjjEEEnnnEEE MMMeeeLLLeee cringe? lmao,

[@cheryl9809]

I like how all 4 main jg, how do they even play together? 4 jg meta bois

[@dmastervideos]

I think cuz jg is the easiest to carry team

[@pogchamp2897]

That's because junglers are the most toxic players, jungling pushes u to madness especialy when laners push like there is no tomorrow without warding

[@zyklan2197]

Pog Champ TRUUUUEEEEE

[@arturochesivisani]

The scene where are shown his mulitiple disco nunu games and the music goes "Drifting down to the other side" ... The INSANITY. Good shit

[@K0ragg]

Dude the songs were killing me! As in, they were absolutely great! They gave me that evil and gloomy vibe for the video, even though these guys aren't all that bad, sure they int but it's not like you won't win those games back anyway, besides, sometimes the enemy team ints and you get free wins as well, so you can treat it as karma. They're really damn good at the game, who can really blame them, as long as it doesn't spread out to become something common it should be fine. They seem like those dysfunctional people (personality wise) that are actually cool to hang out with, they're just a bit crazy in a certain way (aren't we all though?), nothing you can't really handle probably, or maybe you just need to evoid them after a while, who knows, lol. Gotta give them credit where credit is due though, they really are quite impressive players when actually trying.

[@jackharter-quigley7840]

What is the first song intro

[@RogueApolloXD]

I understand that RatIRL, obsess and self made man are really good but i haven't seen any clip of ap0calypse actually playing good, so i don't really understand how he is masters. Anyone care to explain?

[@lophixeuw9496]

Ap0 mostly duos with rat as his lulu support, he doesnt stream and before all that he played nidalee and tf with 90% winrate to masters

[@RogueApolloXD]

Lophix EUW wasn't he a mordekaiser main though?

[@mystiika]

He's a support main but reached challenger playing Mordekaiser only

[@VibeMaster43]

Mystiika have u seen his reddit post from a while ago? He played mordekaiser only and got challenger, and yes only morde it was the only champ he had mastery on

[@VibeMaster43]

Also he played mordekaiser jungle only

[@italobarbosa1809]

i can no longer stop seeing this video is very good aaaaaaaaa

[@didyoubringthemilk]

same XD

[@italobarbosa1809]

@@didyoubringthemilk when will you teach me

[@velo3163]

Waiting for "Infamous League Players - Eddie Spaghetti"

[@an0nsaiko890]

Damn that was probably one of the best, if not the best video in this channel.

[@ersinohbaba6827]

I love u man, i rly hoped u will make a video about L9 in generall, im sure its a good video, Great Work keep it up

[@mattyrose75]

u literally kickstarted some careers with these vids

[@troll1013]

I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR SO LONG

[@amumutop2772]

Music really helped set the tone of the video, great stuff

[@smellyfish36]

rat obsess and selfmade aren't even very toxic lol, then ap0 just carries them to sociopath level

[@Wombeyy]

rat irl is also toxic as fuck, but yeah obsess and selfmade man are cool

[@greasyshoe]

@@Wombeyy not anymore!

[@spice9756]

The music fits so well, I'm actually very impressed.

[@ahaha2637]

BROOO, the intro was so sick, keep it up!

[@meowix318]

Haha I was waiting for you to cover L9. Great video mate!

[@GameGranaat]

They are skinny nerds irl :/

[@nepa2499]

Cykachu maybe

[@Michas333]

aren't we all?

[@nepa2499]

no just you

[@CrisMinuano]

i think ap0 would really kill you irl

[@ichigokurosaki2138]

Everyone in L9 would kill you irl lmao

[@squibbles8987]

ugh this editing is really cool. props!

[@Espionia]

Rat IRL is actually the cleanest twitch I have ever seen, when he isnt trolling

[@tiedemann2107]

I’ve watched this 10 times and im addicted to this video

[@mineshafter05]

Asia server be like: "Wait,... Who are you??"

[@florisolthoff]

Was waiting for this one, good job on the video!

[@Dekar173]

Uh oh. I'm really afraid L9 is gonna come after me and slit my throat now x(

[@onehungryrobot]

Dekar173 trash

[@kabs1233]

I streamsnipped you 5 times in the last 4 weeks from euw with 170ping and won lane and game every single time washed up or trash can’t tell but if you don’t cheese you are nothing more then a random diamond pleb have vods for proof

[@Tengrinin_Kirbaci]

I really like this series and players

[@krishnoffski2895]

These boys make me proud to be EUW

[@hkoandes5451]

Here back again, watching the OG L9 baby

[@ArcaneLD]

Imagine if L9 were an Esports team

[@viralhubtoday2023]

damn youre doing the most proffesional Videos every time i watch your Videos i think this People are like the hardest bosses

[@azure4661]

Came back here after Selfmade join fnatic "L9"

[@somos3hermanos]

I LOVE THESE VIDEOSSSSS !!

[@impactediting6277]

This type of videos is insane!Keep it up LR ^_^

[@Ded111]

Honestly, I can't even imagine what the f is going in the head of the people like this

[@alexandregehin8665]

same, I dont get how people like them see themselves, don't they realize how garbage they are as humans? same with stevens/permaban etc (just watched those) )

[@stfu882]

@@alexandregehin8665 its fun :)

[@SaltyJimmy]

I WAS WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO. THANKS A LOT :D

[@R0BITOS]

This video are addicting af

[@imlich]

robertyno 777 Soprattutto con madman

[@R0BITOS]

Lich ingravidami

[@imiraclelol7100]

so is cocaine and thats why u look like that ugly ass snicker

[@boolin_foo]

That vid was so well made dude like damn you really showed off

[@NicklasTheKid]

Selfmade joined SK and is currently their star player.

[@mulmer2277]

He left L9 one year ago with obsess

[@inkhwon]

Good video, the music selection is S+ :)

[@DoctorBeees]

The cringe in this video is real

[@didyoubringthemilk]

wdym its a banger

[@LucasYanLP]

your videos are getting more and more amazing...

[@Mightyfish_]

I've never heard of L9 till today.

[@lovebattleforge]

MightyFish first time i heard about then was today, faced some wannabes i guess with l9 tag, another one after that game and one more whos name was let me join l9 lok

[@akonyo]

MightyFish if you were platinum and up and u were playing on EUW server. U would know them by the monsters... I faced them awhile before 2 months or more. They literally destroyed my team xD

[@relaxedpotato8425]

Very well made. Keep up the good work

[@SirTheOnlyPixel]

L9 should make a comeback, Nunu can run it down even faster now.

[@ff_4371]

That akatsuki thumbnail is just perfect.

[@midnightkatanaQA]

I'm confused. Combing through these comments and a lot of people seem to be sticking up for L9? Why? This is a legitimate question, I never understood people who liked Tyler1 until he got unbanned and I watched him. He's pretty good and when hes not raging he's enjoyable to watch. So what's the redeeming thing about these guys? Also most plays I saw in this video to show their talent really weren't that impressive when you see how fed they were.

[@theultimategaylordaccount2238]

l9 is fkn boring, they're just like the assholes in low elo except they know how to play. T1 when he was banned was more fun to watch than them because of his mannerisms, l9 has no selling point zz

[@EarthScienceEnjoyer]

MidnightKatana well from playing against them in a normal once theyre extremely toxic but since theyre famous its still sort of cool

[@XrayTheMyth23]

Probably because they keep the game interesting

[@midnightkatanaQA]

MrVlekje5 Idk I understand that (I've played an aram against RedMercy and Pants are Dragon once and it was pretty cool especially since it 'soloque' so to speak) But like people in the comments seem to legitimately stand up for them. like they have a fanbase and idk i don't understand why. Caleb W prob said it the best.

[@ersinohbaba6827]

MidnightKatana u r all just disgusting lmao, they dont try to be enjoyable why they should? they play cause they have fun they dont do this fause some subscribers like Tyler1

[@lolNico5]

Really well made intro, keep it up!

[@guitaramvpartyrocker1334]

2:53 how many years has passed still same shit xDD

[@didyoubringthemilk]

tbh you can get banned pretty easily if you really run it down

[@xmariokiler2443]

Thx bro I finally know why people starts saying thinks like x9 jg in soloQ

[@adritiquev1771]

L9 isnt eveb the same anymore without the OG's Obsess and smd. Wutbürger are the real Kings

[@0tterspace]

S3 Bronze S4 Silver S5 Gold S6 Gold S7 Gold XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[@0tterspace]

Please go on assuming people are bronze when you're hardstuck in gold for life.

[@imiraclelol7100]

why i talk to this subhuman look your subs i swear to god too much incest going on these days :/

[@Dampler]

+IMiracle Official You are actually 12

[@0tterspace]

You're making me cry. I feel so sorry for you.

[@SecretAka97]

There should be like a documentary on those guys. League Recap make it happen pls.

[@cal_in_cal_out1207]

I love l9 , I love Europe , I love whites ❤️

[@Vocaloid-Guy]

🧜🏿

[@farship8930]

The music makes it as a video about lol criminals!!!)) I like it !

[@DerVolt]

Like ap0 said it should be 9 original members right? So who are the last 5? Unknown?

[@mystiika]

Froschdealer is one of them

[@Ouba1]

Tarzaned

[@Svet7k]

lmao

[@rayzakaza4833]

MAAAAAAAAAAG

[@26SwitchBlade]

Lilypichu. Legit no joke

[@sunayrastogi3910]

excellant music choice

[@mr.pringles5847]

The good old times man.

[@didyoubringthemilk]

for real league looked so fun

[@taniyaninizvarmi]

true

[@xMetixYT]

I was fortune to lose a D4 promo to RAT IRL playing duo with APO. twice.... -,-

[@patrickjensen3091]

My favorite video so far. Like ever!