Learning The Double Spey Cast And Stopping The Bad Habits!

[@LineSpeedJediTimRawlins]

good stuff!!!

[@greenhornflyhorn]

Thank you Tim! Hopefully I will throw lasers like you one day 🤞

[@daveschlom4033]

I found this to be really relatable. I have only been spey casting for a half a year. And at times, it goes well, and at times, I SUCK. And whapping yourself in the back of the head with a bugger is...a BUGGER! I am going to take your advice to heart and get out there soon and get back at it. Because it is SUCH a fun way to fish and as you said, way easier on your shoulder when you are fishing in big water like where I am on the Lower Sacramento River. Thank you. I always enjoy your content.

[@greenhornflyhorn]

Well thank you for the kind words! I have hit my pack and my head before. Scary! I will abort any cast that just has a bad feeling. I wish you the very best getting your casts in order. I would Highly recommend checking out Simon Gawesworth, LineSpeed Jedi, Ashland Fly Shop for tutorials. I found them to be so key in my success. Ashland has probably one of the best videos on managing your shooting line. Can’t remember the name of the video but I think its Jon and he does a 2 minute drill. Anyways, get out there and send it brother🤘

[@daveschlom4033]

Thanks. I will definitely rewatch Simon and Jon from Ashland! Also going to take some free classes offered by our local fly fishing club.

[@TezukuriLure]

Mostly peoples hate to post an own mistake vid. Thanks it’s so helpful 😄👍

[@alkatona2486]

This hits home in a big way. In October I booked a steelhead trip and kinda learned this spey casting stuff. I was using the double spey and my guide was very patient. He corrected, gave advise and corrected some more. This type of fishing is similar, but such a different animal to single hand casting. I was frustrated and elated all in the same cast. End result, I did boat 3 very nice fish and enjoyed my time on the water. Butttt holy smokes..hahaha!! On a super positive note, I did not hook myself, but WOW, I came very close. Ugly casts still catch fish🤣

[@greenhornflyhorn]

Ugly casts do catch fish!! Hahaha! Couldn’t agree more. Good on the guide for the patience, we all gotta start somewhere. Appreciate you checking out the video man🤘

[@loomi47]

Nice video, I am still struggling with my Commando head.

[@greenhornflyhorn]

I have no experience with the OPST stuff yet. But if i were to use them i would go with their recommendation on grain weight. Also would slow down my sweep and try different overhangs(distance between the commando head and rod tip) till one worked. Maybe that would help?

[@loomi47]

@@greenhornflyhorn Your video help me lot.Got the proper equipments is also very important.Like opst recommendation chart, said a 5’ poly leader is okay,damn,I bought a ton of them in different weight and length,fially found that all I need is a salmon/steelhead poly leader,only that thing is heavy enough.

[@greenhornflyhorn]

@@loomi47 nice! Those salmon polyleaders are great! I use them all the time on my smaller skagit heads(250 grain)

[@self-taught_angler]

In my opinion, the order of practice should be, switch cast, single spey and everything else. Without perfecting switch cast and then single spey, one can only carry and multiply mistakes later on. To be honest if one cast single spey on both shoulders, one is set.

[@greenhornflyhorn]

Yeah, i like the switch cast for small streams(single hand skagit) its like a supercharged roll cast! Do you do a lot of traditional spey or scandi stuff? Your recommendation makes me think this, the single spey on my skagit line is doable but I have to be quicker than I would like to be. Probably a "me" problem, but who knows!?!?

[@self-taught_angler]

@@greenhornflyhorn I exclusively do spey casting. Single hand, or regular. If I use my switch rods (which are 4 weights 10 and 11ft), I go shorter and lighter skagit heads. But instead of sink tip I use longer sinking Salmon poly/versileaders. In other words,I create skandi lines out of skagit heads. I also weld my own full sinking heads. Spey casting is extremely versatile . The only time I do regular casting (I mean double hand regular casting with 8wt 10ft switch) is when I am at the Pacific surf. I do not like skagit casting because of all the splash. But I like skagit heads, because they can be paired with anything. Single spey with skagit head is very doable. Not only that, in windy conditions it is amazing how for skagit heads can go. It all took us sometime on the water to get good at it. I am sure you are already or will be there soon.

[@greenhornflyhorn]

@@self-taught_angler nice! The whole splicing and dicing heads/tips/running lines is so much fun! I totally get your approach, I have had pretty good results with a long salmon polyleader on my skagit heads but of course I am not as graceful as others. At the great lakes(where I am from) I usually cast 90° across the river then mend for my swing. It keeps the commotion away for the most part but I mean it’s the chance we take with skagit here. You definitely sound like you got this game on lock. I got some time still on the water to be super comfortable with it. I find it a lot like archery, when you take a break from it. You’re immediately punished!😆 All the best out there and appreciate your insights

[@jchevrier]

There you go. Single spey first. No need for splashing all over the place.

[@greenhornflyhorn]

@@jchevrier yeah, i do them sometimes. In fact that was the first cast i learned. When it got wonky, i just poked it. Pretty darn powerful cast. I like all the casts but the single spey is a bit wild on a 480grain with T-14 or T-12 on this rod. I will see what Peter says, perhaps he has some cool tricks up his sleeve.

[@dk78b2a5]

This is so welcoming as I’m in the same spot. Trying this out is so awkward but not giving up.

[@greenhornflyhorn]

That’s a great attitude. To be honest, I had some days where i wanted to throw the whole rig in the river. But like you, i didn’t give up. Was throwing darts like a boss today🤘I wish you the very best on your journey.

[@tomconaway3286]

Try slowing down & watching the the D loop form, leader length for me is a very critical,

[@greenhornflyhorn]

Yes!! Once and ONLY once I slowed down my cadence, that's when everything worked out with the two hander. Thanks for mentioning that and something I definitely did do and of course me being me forgot to mention such a crucial element. I am just happy that I got rid of the yips for now......

[@LouisianaSpey]

To me, it was tempo. When i had my temp under control, I was able to pick part my flaws

[@greenhornflyhorn]

100%!! Slowing it down was probably the hardest thing for me to master. Thanks for your input🙂

[@Leavenotraceexpeditions]

Fly should be on the side if you. Not in front. Not only in box, but in line. Fly, leader, line, tip

[@greenhornflyhorn]

Is it possible for you to share a video response so I can see how you do it? Appreciate it.

[@jchevrier]

Much healthier, more efficient, more versatile, more fun and easier to learn to cast with both hands in the first place than this awful cast. You will need another option than this on windy days anyway.

[@greenhornflyhorn]

I am open to suggestions! Let me know which casts you prefer with skagit lines?🙂

[@jchevrier]

@@greenhornflyhorn Single Spey on both sides works fine. No need for water disturbing skagit casts. Good luck and tight lines! ✌🏻

[@jchevrier]

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[@jchevrier]

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[@jchevrier]

I can't share a vid here obviously. PeterCharles has made one on this called Single Spey Cast a Skagit Head?

[@busterbuffalo5554]

Maybe instead of criticizing OPST videos, you watch their casting ones with the intention of learning and not finding fault?!

[@greenhornflyhorn]

Oh Buster you rascal you!!