Sound for Video Session: Sound Devices MixPre-6 (and 3) Setup Walkthrough

[@pepelsbey]

I would call it a “Missing manual for MixPre series”. Seriously, it made everything so clear for me on how to use my MixPre-6 device. I can’t thank you enough for this video!

[@LearnLightAndSoundSessions]

Thanks Vadim!

[@xxHouseInMotionxx]

seriously... I've only finally realized I need custom mode.

[@TheGeoffMan]

Sound Devices should be paying YOU for making these kinds of videos.

[@curtisjudd]

I prefer to stay independent. Better for the audience and better for me. And if they keep making good products, also good for Sound Devices.

[@vKarl71]

Yes...or pay him to write a decent manual!

[@soldermecold7456]

They don’t a setting to set the video camera frame rate like they do in the Zoom F4?

[@soundvoyager457]

After 4 years, #2021 I feel like I need to tell ya that you're the reason why I got my MixPre6 MkII !!! Thank you ^^

[@curtisjudd]

Glad to hear it is working well for you!

[@gregoryhaddock1741]

I received my first professional tape sync job today for a national podcast. I was so excited earlier, and while I purchased a mixpre3 a couple months ago, the recording requirements for this job were set to 44.1/16 bit and that had me so incredibly upset when the audio was completely messed up in playback for about an hour. I thought my heart would fly out out of my chest, and I would drown in my own tears, but after following you step-by-step I learned exactly what to fix, and how to fix it. This video just saved the biggest break of my young career. Thank you!! Also, I loved the laugh - keep doing it.

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Gregory, so glad it helped!

[@dirtyquant]

That was outstanding. Just got a mixpre3 ii and this really helped. Still so much to learn and fiddle with, but your videos are a life saver. Funny how the community does an even better job than the manufacturers. Keep up the amazing work

[@curtisjudd]

Congrats on the new MixPre and happy recording!

[@Thomas-eu6fj]

This is probably the best MixPre 6 setting up Video on KZbin !

[@terryoneill9920]

Wow, this guide is 1000% better than the manual!

[@LearnLightAndSoundSessions]

Thanks Terry!

[@LearnLightAndSoundSessions]

**NOTE** This walkthrough was NOT recorded with the MixPre so please do not use this to assess the sound quality of the MixPre. Since I only have one MixPre, I could not show all of the settings and record with it at the same time. Also, the "hiss" that you hear is the fan in my camera - for practical purposes, the microphone was approximately 8 inches from the camera's fan. If you'd like to hear some clips recorded with the MixPre, please have a listen to these previous episodes: kzbin.info/www/bejne/baXVZGqtbs6mn8U kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIPGYaeFiaeKq9k kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6mYe5iLqruLZ9E

[@richardheald5498]

Fantastic tutorial Curtis. This is one of the best videos on YT I've come across. You mix a good explanation of the kit with a basic lesson on sound mixing, all perfectly paced. I just got given a MixPre 6 to learn in one day, with no sound experience, and this is a life saver. Great job!

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Richard and good luck on your recording!

[@SamCarLegion]

Your audio quality by far is the best on youtube, better than my self! Impressed

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Sam!

[@SamCarLegion]

Curtis Judd i watched your review on the dslr audio recorder H4n pro and Tascam 60D mkll. Just ordered the Tascam since to make it work with my Seinnhiser Wireless Mic

[@curtisjudd]

@@SamCarLegion I hope it works well for you. Happy recording!

[@rgsauve]

Just ordered a mixpre-3 ii, can't thank you enough for this!

[@AnandaGarden]

So appreciate this as a beginner to audio who acquired a MixPre-6 II. Curtis, I could actually follow this, most grateful. Totally agree with Vadim Makeev, this is the missing manual for the 6 II as well. Thank you.

[@alexspartacus]

This is a better shot, better explained video tutorial than the one’s sound devices have. Bravo Sir!

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Alexander.

[@davidcrane6920]

I find all of your videos to be very helpful, and educational. I am new to sound recording and the use of these devices. There is one thing I thought I would mention, however, just for you to think about and take into consideration when you make future videos. I've noticed in more than one video, when demonstrating assorted menu options, that (while you usually clearly explain the function of each feature and why someone might use it) you occasionally will avoid explanation in an oddly dismissive way. "If you don't know what that is, well... (laughing) you probably don't need it." I'm sure a lot of other people are like me and come to your videos to learn. I know you don't intend to mock the lack of knowledge of the viewers, but in a way it comes off as laughing at them that they wouldn't know what one of these advanced features is for, and then you don't take the time to explain what it is at all. I realize you can't cover everything in every video, but I just thought I would mention it's something I have noticed that you may want to refrain from doing in the future.

[@LearnLightAndSoundSessions]

Thanks David, no disrespect intended. You are correct that for practical purposes, simply cannot cover everything.

[@voodoohumb]

i start to understand the MODEs: There are two Mode-Setups: Basic-Mode and Advanced-Mode in Custom-"Mode" you can mix these setups in these Points: • Channel • Gain • Headphone • Record • Metadata • Output most of these points in the Basic-Mode is a simple or limited function, but the "Gain" is change from "Gain/Trim" of the PreAmp in basic-Mode to "Fader" of the Stereomix in "Advanced-Mode" . In very intuitive on this point.

[@LearnLightAndSoundSessions]

+voodoohumb right on!

[@salofilm]

Just got a MixPre-6 and your video was a godsend. thanks Curtis!

[@curtisjudd]

Glad it was helpful. Happy recording!

[@reanthegreat]

Thank you so much for the clear and detailed explanations. No fluff just great info.

[@LearnLightAndSoundSessions]

Thanks Ryan!

[@Wodto]

Thanks for your time ! having my first recording in 3 days where i'll be using a Sound Device Mixpre 6 for the first time, this really makes me feel more confident before going in !

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks and best wishes on your recording session!

[@DirectedbyZ]

Big fan of your videos, thanks for the extensive knowledge. Although I thoroughly read through manuals, it's great to have someone show you each process step-by-step visually. Thanks again!

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Z!

[@skyace888]

Super helpful video! Still trying to figure out my MixPre 3 II. Will look over some of your other videos too.

[@hiskishow]

Thank you Curtis Judd for all the videos! I watched so many and finally upgraded to the mix-pre6. The analog limiter thing is astounding. Coming from the tascam dr60-d this is a dream to work with. I never realized before the importance of headphone amplifiers and track settings etc. before watching your videos!

[@LearnLightAndSoundSessions]

Thanks and congrats on your new MixPre!

[@hiskishow]

Thank you!!

[@translucentfilmworks9897]

Nice job as usual Curtis. You just sold me on this one because this tutorial allows me to hit the ground running. I've had the Sound Devices 702 and 633, but need something else to Podcast . No one explains things in as simple, yet detailed terms. I'm subscribing to your channel, which actually makes you my second KZbin subscription.

[@curtisjudd]

Hi, thanks, so glad it helped! Happy recording!

[@rickschannel6047]

Great video as well, it would be great to hear your thoughts on the best mobile power and how you are setting it up on location.

[@LearnLightAndSoundSessions]

I use an old Anker USB battery bank, a model they don’t make anymore. But that seems to work nicely.

[@BreaktheMachine]

An essential video if you have one of these MixPre units. Very impressed indeed.

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks. Happy recording!

[@randomgeocacher]

The gain/fade in advanced mode will be excellent for me when shooting live presentations. I record room audio in case the sound booth cable has issues during recording. Now I can record the room audio but fade it to near zero, so it doesn't go to camera and live stream.

[@curtisjudd]

Yes! That's the flexibility of a true mixer!

[@RayOrtega]

Great walkthrough. I'm using it to setup a MixPre 3 that I don't have lol. I have a host at work that I ordered one for because it will work best for her in a podcast setup and now I'm going to train her on a device I've never used and we're doing it over Skype. Oh, not to mention she has never recorded audio;) Yeah, I guess I like challenges lol.

[@curtisjudd]

Wow, you do like a challenge! If you get stuck, I've got a course on getting the most from your MixPre over at school.learnlightandsound.com. :) Good luck!

[@stephenbyrne7169]

Wonderful course, thank you, Curtis. Good training is a blessing. I'm up and running now.

[@JuusoHoo]

Thanks again, bought mine (ii) a month ago and doing first serious recordings now, recording a poet. Still abit confused about the menu's, but surviving, thanks fot this info! The device is more able to more purposes than I ever imagined...

[@curtisjudd]

👍

[@PianistFaye]

Thanks for your detailed explanation about the sound mixer. I have a Mixer 3 which I have used for years. I used with Q8 camcorder to make performance recordings. Recently , I found some electrical noise in my recording which I did not have before. I had added an audio isolator between the output of the Mixer and the input of my camcorder. However, the noise even louder. Do you know what may be the problem?

[@ChristianKarasiewicz]

Great guide. Very helpful at explaining the features of the MixPre.

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Christian.

[@jays4778]

Very detailed and easy to understand explanation. Why is there 3 Tracks(L,R and Ch1) when I record one boom on Ch1? What is the meaning of L, R additionally with Ch1? My setup is just one MKH416 connected to CH1 on MixPre3 and I am trying to record talking head.. Is there any additional benefit in quality of audio output or editing workflow if I use all 3 (L,R and Ch1) in final Video? Is it OK to record on Ch1 without the L and R? Should I just get rid of L and R? Is L and R really required for single Mic setup? What is the purpose of L and R?

[@curtisjudd]

In advanced mode, the MixPre operates like a true mixer and records the left and right stereo mix, plus the individual input channels. In your case, the three channels are left mix, right mix, and input one microphone - all the same thing unless you have moved the fader to a setting other than 0 or panned input one to anything other than center. If you just need the isolated microphone input channel and NOT the stereo mix, you can disarm the stereo mix in the Record->Rec L,R menu. Set it to off.

[@themattbuckner1]

You are great. Just got 3. Thank you for posting

[@haraldthi]

Thanks for the walkthrough. What I really hope for is Sound Devices using this as a test bed for a more pro level recorder, as the pro community is much less patient with experiments. With that in mind, I think the MixPre looks really interesting.

[@curtisjudd]

You're welcome! Yes, I get that impression with the Kashmir preamps and the touchscreen. First time they've used these two technologies in an audio recorder/mixer as far as I'm aware)

[@qallaf313]

We need a 633 vs mixpre(3-6) because most enthusiast prosumers think to make a big leap and spent so much for the 633 and want to see if the mixpre is a dealbraker Thanks for your magnificent videos Big fan from Kuwait 👍🏻

[@LearnLightAndSoundSessions]

+qallaf313 will do. Don't expect a big audio quality difference. The difference is largely in the RF shielding, more flexible routing, timecode generator, locking hirose power input, inbuilt NP-F battery sled, balanced XLR outputs and lots of other things like that.

[@cneedelman1]

I've watched a few Mixpre-3 videos in this is the best!!

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Craig!

[@billstrong50]

Outstanding explanatory video!

[@BullfrogFM]

Very professional presentation

[@ianpreece6391]

helpful video! Is it possible to program the 'assign button' to power the unit on/ off? The power switch is a pain to access when in a mixer bag

[@curtisjudd]

No, power is not one of the options for the assignable button. Sound Devices intentionally put the switch on the side and made it very unlikely to accidentally turn off.

[@FrancContreras_FrancMex]

Hey Curtis. I have the Sound Devices Pre Mix 3 and love it. The pre-amps are among the cleanest I've found at this price range. I just wish the designers would put the on-off switch in a more accesible place.

[@curtisjudd]

👍

[@kellstonerlittlestoryfilms19]

Thankyou so much - I've had a couple of listens now and it's helped me so much in the field. I do have one question though - I wonder if you could possibly have the time to answer for me - as I can not find it anywhere! Everything has been great - however I can not find where to listen back to a track when in the field - to test that everything is coming through ok? Like a quick record test you can listen back to - does anyone know? thanks heaps!

[@curtisjudd]

Hi Kell, The play button should do the job on the MixPre-3 or 6 and the joystick (pressed down) starts playback on the MixPre-10. Best wishes!

[@imageryweddingfilms2134]

Just got this for weddings and loving it. Curious in Advanced mode, what gain would be the ideal level to set Channel 1?

[@curtisjudd]

I would set it to a level where the meter tops out at around -12 to -16dB so that you leave enough headroom for loud laughs and such.

[@imageryweddingfilms2134]

@@curtisjudd And that would be setting the gain through the trim gain or the fader gain? It would be setting it through the trim gain right, if I'm going through CH 1? Also, would it be easier for me at weddings to just keep the recorder in Basic mode rather than having more to tend to in Advanced mode since I do shoot solo most of the time and want to just hit record and walk away knowing it's recording.

[@curtisjudd]

@@imageryweddingfilms2134 It sounds like it would be easier in basic mode for you, yes. And in that case, the knob is trim and fader gain combined into one.

[@MyBballer9]

Great video! Is there a way to Name tracks before I record? Or can I just to this after I stopped recording and add notes to the file

[@curtisjudd]

Yes, easiest way is with the Wingman app.

[@MargaretHarmer]

Great info! Thank you! I didn't know about the faders vs gain in Advanced mode since I've used a 702 for years and the setup is simpler. I'm getting quite confused as to the number of files that the Mix Pre generates. I typically record in linked stereo and get 4 files and are all mono? Just found a solution to this : when I drag and drop into Logic - it turns all into mono files. But when I use the import function I get a surround file which easily is put into stereo. The other confusion I have is with the headphone output. I also often record in linked stereo with an MS mic setup and monitor the decoded version in my headphones. I'm not quite sure if my preset is right : ch1 prefade to L postfade and ch2 prefade to R postfade with MS on. On my 702 it's very easy to switch headphone monitor settings and listen to separate left and right and MS decode.

[@curtisjudd]

Hi Margaret, Thanks. Good work finding a solution with Logic. I don't know how to set the monitoring for your M/S setup. Probably best to check in with Sound Devices support. Best wishes and keep making fun percussion videos!

[@garyhill5377]

Great overview..does this create a audio file that combines all input channels? As a single track..as well as recording each individual track file

[@curtisjudd]

Yes, it records a stereo mix plus the isolated microphone channels each to their own track when you have the MixPre set to advanced mode.

[@tomspotley5733]

Really great tutorial. I’m using our mix pre 3 for location foley tomorrow. Which mode is best when capturing two discreet mic channels? i.e I’m not hugely interested in the L/R mix but instead two separate mono channels, one from each mix we use. Will the poly wav nature of this recorder always output the L/R mix then each channels discrete output? (1-3) Thanks again

[@LearnLightAndSoundSessions]

Sounds like advanced mode is what you need. Basic mode only has a stereo mix.

[@tomspotley5733]

Yes thank you. Worked that out today before our session. Also by setting the L/R to off we can output a poly wav which is just our isolated tracks. Perfect!

[@pabloalvarez-mesa9257]

@@tomspotley5733 I did the same thing for three mono tracks where I don't need a mix. I have a question tho, I made my front knobs gain instead of faders. Is there any loss, or reason I shouldn't do that? Is there any sound benefit (at 32bit floating) for having gain on the side knob and faders on the front? You address this at 11:30 - and I understand the reasoning behind more the fader for extra nuance and control. But is there any sound variation when riding gain instead of fader?

[@TheSoundBarr]

Awesome info mate. Thanks so much. I just got a Mix Pre 6 ii.....Sooooo good!

[@curtisjudd]

👍 Congrats and happy recording!

[@TheSoundBarr]

@@curtisjudd Thanks! After coming from a 744 and 442 this is sooooo light and easy!

[@tunatech]

Love your vids Curtis follow them religiously, I record piano recitals with my C-200 ...with a sd302 feed to the camera, but I like the 32bit float that helps avoid clipping with the SD premix 6. I wonder if purchasing this device would be an upgrade.

[@curtisjudd]

Hi Robert, thanks! The output of the MixPre II series converts the signal back to analogue at the output so if your incoming audio exceeds 0dBFS, it will either be limited or clipped on the output. So if the goal is to come away with audio from the camera, I'm not sure the 32-bit float is the best approach. If, on the other hand, you plan to record on the MixPre as well and mix that audio in post, then it could be a nice step up. But there is something about just getting it right with a 302 straight to camera which is really satisfying. Happy playing and recording!

[@martinprothero610]

I'll buy once they are in stock. Interested in the USB power bank powering option. Noted here how in the duration of monitoring the audio, the batteries lost about 50% of their charge...

[@LearnLightAndSoundSessions]

+Martin Prothero we powered here with eneloop AA batteries which are 4 years old. Before editing, the clip was about an hour long and I had probably 30 minutes of use on this charge. I would expect 2 - 2.5 hours on a charge with 4 freshly charged eneloops, tiny bit more with eneloop pros.

[@hugohannoun8769]

THE perfect explanation.

[@dennisraypowelljr]

How do you turn on phantom power for the individual tracks if needed? i would have assumed that any mic or mic receiver plugged in would take phantom power from the mix pre but is that not the case? i will be using mine with two sennheiser avx's and one sennheiser 416 so when i plug in the 416, will i need to turn on phantom power on that particular xlr input on the mix pre?

[@LearnLightAndSoundSessions]

Press in the channel knob for the channel on which you want to enable phantom power then press the Phantom Power option on the touchscreen. You do not need phantom for the wireless systems, just for condenser mics which need phantom.

[@dennisraypowelljr]

@@LearnLightAndSoundSessions thank you!

[@TwoBitDaVinci]

Total sidebar question: what camera are you using that has a fan in it?

[@curtisjudd]

That's the Ursa Mini Pro.

[@victorfilm_]

Thank you for this easy to follow walk through!

[@curtisjudd]

You're welcome, glad it helped!

[@Graham_Wood]

Great video. Many thanks. The one thing I don't understand is what Ubits are. The manual tells you how to set them but doesn't explain what they are. Help would be appreciated. Thank you.

[@curtisjudd]

They are values that a user can set. Some productions use them to indicate the shoot date, or location, or something like that. I don't usually use them, but if the production you're working has decided on a way to differentiate shoot days or locations and agree on what values to use, you can set those in the Ubits. That can make it easier for the post team to know where any particular clip belongs.

[@Graham_Wood]

@@curtisjudd Many thanks Curtis. You are a star.

[@randomlykreated]

Thanks for the highly in depth review of the machine. I am about to make a purchase for my kit as a production sound mixer and the analog limiters in the Mixpre are making me lean heavily toward it over the F4. Glad to see you really knock into the specifics here. Love your videos.

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks, I appreciate the feedback!

[@josephlandman1402]

Hi, Curtis! Do you think that it's still worthy in 2022?

[@curtisjudd]

Yes, I do think it is, even the first generation MixPre-3, 6, and 10T.

[@TomKaszuba]

14:32 very helpful to me. Thank you very much Curtis.

[@curtisjudd]

👍

[@ignatius_guitar7452]

Hi Curtis, great video! Unfortunately I didn't get the difference between L&R linked and only L&R in the record menu. What can be controlled together? How does this affect the output file? Thank you very much and best wishes, Gert!

[@curtisjudd]

Hi Gert, L&R linked means you can control both the left and right channels with a single control. With the L&R setting, you can adjust the two channels independently.

[@edwardneal2363]

Thanks Curtis - immensely helpful!

[@curtisjudd]

👍

[@bbburito]

hi with the MixPre-3 II is that possible to record a stereo input with 3.5mm stereo input (L and R channels) in the same time that using the three XLR inputs ?

[@tonewriter6827]

Excellent guide, greatly appreciated.

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Tonewriter.

[@xfloodcasual8124]

If someone is getting too loud, which is better for noise floor? Turning input gain down or fader gain down?

[@curtisjudd]

Generally when mixing I'd reach for the fader first. But if it is clear that the gain is not at the right level, then yes, drop the gain.

[@frankostyn]

Curtis, I am a GH5 user looking to setup my rig for a run and gun project. One option is to buy the XLR extension that you reviewed as well. To me that is a decent and reliable option. The other option is to mount a mixpre3 under my camera cage. This would give me a 3 channel setup (2 AVX lavs and a shotgun) which is very appealing to me. What worries me about this route is the timecode setup via the HDMI cable. The HDMI connection on the recorder side looks really flimsy, especially in a run and gun context. Do you concur? Or would you feel comfortable in recommending the GH5-mixpre3 setup for rund and gun work? Thx so much and keep them coming. Your reviews/tutoriials have proven instrumental to me in many occasions.

[@LearnLightAndSoundSessions]

Hi frankostyn, yes, the HDMI micro cable is a bit dodgy for run-n-gun situations. But the Panasonic XLR1 is also a bit dodgy in terms of its plastic build when XLR cables are attached unless you secure them very well to something more stable (e.g., rig rails, tripod legs). Some people have had what sound like ground issues when mounting the GH5 on top of the MixPre but it can be addressed by placing a quick release plate and receiver between the MixPre and GH5. Good luck!

[@Memoriesofpalestine]

Thx

[@streetracingmiscreant8589]

Can you assign microphones into three different mono channels to have three separate shotgun microphones for a left/center/right setup for a zoom effect at the racetrack?

[@streetracingmiscreant8589]

Okay, so you just mix right/left on those two, and stereo center? Sweet.

[@claymillsmusic]

Thx for the presentation!

[@prettyfunbird]

Thank you so much for this tutorial. I've just picked up a MixPre6 ii, and it seems like a lot of this applies to the new model as well. Really like the MixPre and will be recommending this video along with the device. I'm wondering, when using the MixPre as an audio interface, what's the simplest way to monitor playback from a DAW along with direct monitoring of any inputs (rather than monitoring inputs through the DAW, which has too much latency for me)? It seems I need to mix the USB outputs with the direct input signal, but I'm not sure the smoothest way to do that. Any suggestions?

[@prettyfunbird]

And actually, related question: what's the recommended setup for monitoring inputs through the DAW (and not the direct monitoring mentioned above)?

[@ce-kn3bg]

Hi, first all your videos are amazing thx man! now, quick question, how can I arm channel 5 on my mixpre 6? can you help me? thx

[@LearnLightAndSoundSessions]

Thanks! Got to the menu -> Inputs -> Input 5.

[@ShamusConeysFilms]

Great vids Curtis! Question, is there a quality difference between what’s recording to the Mix Pre 3’s internal SD Card and the stereo out recording to my GH5s SD Card?

[@curtisjudd]

Hi, yes, the analogue to digital converters in the GH5s are not as high quality as those in the MixPre. However, since you can feed a line level signal from the MixPre to the GH5s, you are at least relying on the MixPre to do all of the amplification. In my experience, the degradation in audio quality is slights, but for many productions, the slight degradation is worth the benefit of recording directly to the camera.

[@ShamusConeysFilms]

Curtis Judd Thank you so much Curtis! My only issue now is I have my GH5S audio turned down to -12 and have the mix-pre reading at -20....yet the GH5S is still extremely peaking. I have Sennheiser Lavs...what am I doing? Can I exclusively control the output gain on Mix-Pre without it changing the existing record settings?

[@LearnLightAndSoundSessions]

Shamus, is that with the GH5S input set to line level?

[@weshootfilms]

I’m having a problem connecting my comica wireless mic system. I have the two transmitters and one receiver and I’m trying to use them both with my mix pre 3 but I can’t get it to work.

[@curtisjudd]

What seems to be the problem?

[@weshootfilms]

@@curtisjudd I was trying to have a system like the comics wireless two transmitter and one receiver work with the mix pre 3. But I think I figured it out by linking the 1 and 2 channel as left and right.

[@DJaysParadise]

Thank you for this thorough guide Curtis! I'm still a bit confused with the Gain/Fader idea for the knobs. @1:22 why do i need a fader to make the person quieter? Can't i do the same with gain?

[@curtisjudd]

The gain controls how much the pre-amp amplifies the microphone signal. The fader controls how much of the signal from that channel is sent to the stereo mix.

[@DJaysParadise]

@@curtisjudd So would it be bad to control the persons volume with gain?

[@curtisjudd]

@@DJaysParadise if you make big adjustments to gain, it sounds pretty obvious.

[@linvol20]

I might have missed it but how do you go back and play recordings to check they are right? Thanks

[@LearnLightAndSoundSessions]

Just press the white play button. 😀

[@ZhurbaV]

Question about the noise floor. Just for test I connected my Shure SM58 to the MixPre 6 II. Recorded in 32 floating point mode. The gain is set to 30db. I've recorded in 2 input modes - Line and Mic with the same gain - 30db. In Line mode I've ged much more noise. In Mic mode there was no noise at all. Help me please understand why? According to the noise level It looks like in the Line input mode it records in 24 bit (not in 32). Or I've get much more noise because the mic has not correct impedance for the line input? Can you do this test with yours mixpre?

[@curtisjudd]

Microphones need amplification so should always be used in mic mode, not line mode. Using line mode measures the microphone signal with zero amplification so it will always be noisy.

[@ZhurbaV]

@@curtisjudd The level of signal in both recordings was more or less the same. So, the amplification in both modes was the same to. Why the noise level was different?

[@curtisjudd]

@@ZhurbaV I don't know. Best to contact Sound Devices support. Best wishes.

[@randomgeocacher]

I'm thinking of mounting a Manfrotto 323 quick release plate on top of the MixPre-6, to get small cameras off and on the MixPre quickly. If I understand correctly the 323 is intended for similar applications.

[@curtisjudd]

That's a clever idea.

[@vyoufinder]

I think you could also split channels 5&6 using a 3.5mm stereo to either two xlr's or two 3.5 mono connectors, could you not? These would not have preamps of course. Have you tried this or what are your thoughts on it? Is it a feasible solution in a pinch? One question you don't answer in any of your videos is "from how high can I drop it before it becomes unusable?"

[@LearnLightAndSoundSessions]

You could in theory, yes. No phantom power, just plugin but should work in a pinch. I try really hard NOT to drop my gear. I need it to work. 🤓

[@vKarl71]

Thanks very much for this, Mr Judd !! So very helpful. Although the device itself seems brilliantly designed, the Sound Devices manual is surprisingly poor & has some embarrassing typos. FYI: On the MixPre-3, Basic Mode limits you to 48k recording, according to the manual, an inexplicable choice by Sound Devices. This is annoying because you have to set the gain through the menus when in Advanced Mode - but it's great the way you can adopt basic mode through the custom function! Though it might sound unprofessional, I'd also urge SD to include an option for mp3 recording in these units. Sony did that on the D100 (which also has very nice preamps) and it comes in very handy. If you're travelling & need to record an informational interview not intended for broadcast, or take notes, why use up all the space on your SD card with a wav file? And if you need to do a very long recording where you have to leave the recorder unattended the whole time mp3 would let you record for days (with a USB battery connected). They could also implement recording in both wav and mp3 as a backup or for quick transfer to a client for review. Speaking of unattended recording, I've always wished digital recorders would include an ***on/off timer record function*** that would let you set up your recorder in the woods for a nature recording starting at 4am the next day. (This function would be easy to add to these devices) Then you could sleep late! FBI folks would also appreciate that, for surveillance use. (They never sleep late.)

[@LearnLightAndSoundSessions]

Thanks vKarl71. Some good product ideas in there - thanks!

[@bryanbarajasBB]

Could I use the 32 bit with an external mixer with more channels into the mix pre ii?

[@curtisjudd]

You could use an external mixer with the MixPre in 32-bit float mode, but your mixer will be the dynamic range bottleneck if you're recording something with a very wide dynamic range.

[@mikeykay7875]

Hi Curtis, how do you transfer the audio file onto you computer using the USB-port? Thank you.

[@curtisjudd]

Go to Menu -> System -> File Transfer.

[@emmettfrancis]

Does recording audio through the mixpre to the camera introduce self noise from the camera?

[@curtisjudd]

It can, depends on the camera.

[@ianpreece6391]

hi, I want to use the Mixpre without recording a stereo mix and just record ISO tracks with the knobs controlling gain (no faders). I've put it into Custom mode for the direct gain knob control but when I want to listen back to the 'ISO track ' etc to check my recording via headphone I can't hear it. Is there a Headphone setting that I need to change?

[@AnnieintheWater]

Thanks for making this video! How about if while using it as an audio interface with Logic Pro X, the playback will not come back through the mix pre- even if all the settings appear to be exactly as they should be. Never had an issue before with any interface giving me at least a playback. Metronome also won't play back through the interface either during recording or playback.

[@curtisjudd]

You'll need to create a custom headphone preset which includes the USB1 and USB2 channels. By default, the MixPre is configured for use as a field recorder. So you have to override that when using it as an interface.

[@commercialand]

Do you know if you can use a power adapter right into the wall with this unit? my chargable batteries done seem to last very long.

[@LearnLightAndSoundSessions]

Yes, for the original MixPre 3 and 6, you can use this: bhpho.to/2nDzp1s Note that alkaline batteries are strongly discouraged for the MixPre recorders. Best to use rechargeable NiMh or lithium AA batteries.

[@SocialSketch]

Did you equalize the sound, or is it just the microphone? It sounds very muddied/bass heavy compared to a Schoeps CMC6 into a 702T.

[@curtisjudd]

I did not equalize, I used an Electrovoice RE20 to record this episode.

[@rors4stu]

Hi nice walk-through, really looking forward for your other reviews on it. i would like to know if it can be use a live mixer? like a on stage production

[@curtisjudd]

Hi Rodney, thanks. Technically I suppose it could but it definitely was not made for that. In most cases, you'll probably need some adapter cables and DI boxes to make that work.

[@jimmyq2videos]

Thanks, this was informative enough for my first intro to this item. Does it still record isolated tracks when using Basic mode then? Or must I be in advanced mode to get that?

[@curtisjudd]

Hi Jimmy, no, in basic mode it only records a stereo mix, no isolated channels. Must change to advanced or custom mode to record isolated mic channels.

[@JuusoHoo]

I recorded in advanced and got only a stereo mix, seems that I have sthg to learn still 🤣. The menu is not very clear to my brains. Have to do some push ups...

[@racercreative3023]

Great information. Do you know if the Mix Pre 6 and the Panasonic GH5s can be synced via timecode generators (maybe the new Tentacle generators)? There seems to be so much misinformation out there that is reporting that the BNC to timecode connection on the Panasonic GH5s is flawed and that you would be forced to re-sync every 30 mins or so. Your input on this subject would be most welcome.

[@curtisjudd]

Hi Racer Creative, the problem with the GH5S's sync port input is that it does not continuously read from an external timecode generator. So it jams from the external generator - like a Tentacle Sync E - and then uses the not-very-accurate internal real-time clock of the camera from there. I wish that they had instead just made it so that it would read continuously from an external generator which would have made it a very good implementation. Instead, I would feed a timecode generator into the audio input and then use Tentacle Sync Studio to convert it to metadata and sync from there.

[@racercreative3023]

@@curtisjudd Thanks for the speedy reply. And thanks for explaining it correctly. Can I assume the audio input option will give accurate timecode - and one last question do you know if I could then go to straight to Davinci Resolve or would I have to use Tentacle Sync Studio (we are PC based for our edit bays.) Thanks in advance for the reply.

[@curtisjudd]

@@racercreative3023 Yes, audio input timecode will work accurately. Davinci Resolve has been, in my experience, rather hit and miss at reading audio timecode - seems to work about 50% of the time. The Tentacle app for windows does a better job of converting the audio to metadata from what I have heard. I wish that Blackmagic would up the robustness of their functionality for converting timecode, but it is still pretty rough as of 15. I haven't tried the 16 beta yet.

[@racercreative3023]

@@curtisjudd thanks for the fast reply and the accurate information - I'm new to your channel but I'm loving it!

[@coleybryant372]

Hi. Im new to the audio feild. I'm working as a boom op for a mixer using the pre6. What is the best way to get audio for both of our headphones?

[@alexovich777]

How do you usually power your MixPre-6? I'm only getting a couple of hours with Eneloop Pro batteries

[@curtisjudd]

I use a USB-C battery bank.

[@JuusoHoo]

One question more: in use as audiointerface, how to play out through usb connection? I thought I need to get the signal out on stereo3,5mm jack... although it is quite unsure/unstable for a lot of watts... So is there existing a usb->stereoXLR cable to use? Or do I choose the MixPre6ii as interface-in and my Presonus Tube-firewire as interface-out, as the latter has xlr-outs connected to my amp&Amphions? But will there then be two latencies, one from each machine?

[@curtisjudd]

The 3.5mm output from the MixPre delivers a line to microphone level signal. It is up to the amp and speakers to amplify it from there so no need to use another interface. If you need a balanced XLR signal, use a DI box between the MixPre and your power amp. This is covered in my MixPre course if you are interested. Best wishes!

[@JuusoHoo]

@@curtisjudd Thanks fro this, it is yet an unsure connection to my mind, cause burned one woofer once because of a rolled 3,5mm plug connection....

[@curtisjudd]

@@JuusoHoo As long as you're sending a line level signal from the mixer, it would be an issue with the power-amp over-driving the speakers. Might be best to get help from a local friend/pro audio store where they can look at what you're working with. Best wishes.

[@FamilyofTech]

If I understood correctly. In minute 9 you said that you can connect this device to your camera and record the audio to your camera without having to sync in post? Correct? Can you also do this with the zoom F4? Record audio directly to your camera without having to sync?

[@curtisjudd]

That is correct, you can do this with the F4 as well.

[@blukameramedia3194]

Just got my MixPre and setting it up! I see that I can go up to 76db for gain, and then increase the level on the channel 1 knob. Newer to audio and this recorder - what value should I set the gain on the recorder?

[@LearnLightAndSoundSessions]

Position your microphone (within 18 inches or closer for booms) and then increase the gain while talking until the meter hits -18 to -12dB at the most. Happy recording!

[@blukameramedia3194]

Curtis Judd Audio And you’re talking about setting the trim gain rather than adjusting the fader correct?

[@curtisjudd]

@@blukameramedia3194 Correct. Leave the fader at 0 initially and only adjust if you need to add more or less of that channel to the mix track.

[@murcuryvapor]

How long is battery life with the original 4-cell setup (it takes 4 without the extra 'skid', right?)? And have you used rechargeable or just alkaline with this unit?

[@curtisjudd]

Hi Murcury Vapor, about 2.5 hours with Ni-MH rechargeables (eneloop pro). They recommend you NOT use alkaline batteries with the MixPre. If you do, the battery life is very, very short. I believe you can also use Lithium AA cells which would probably last a bit longer than the Ni-MH rechargeables.

[@ChrisPFuchs]

Hi Curtis! Great video. I was wondering, how do you think the sound compares to the 633 and F4/F8?

[@LearnLightAndSoundSessions]

Sound quality is very similar between all three. Hard to tell the difference.

[@stevecriddle]

I'm torn between getting a Zoom F4 or a MixPre-6. I know Curtis has talked about the benefits of analogue limiters, but here in the UK there is a pretty big price difference between the two units (£600 vs £1100). My techlust side wants the MixPre, but my sensible side says save the money. Gah!

[@ChrisPFuchs]

I'm torn as well. The main feature that is making me consider the F4 or F8 is the dual SD card capability because I like the peace of mind of immediately having a backup of the audio.

[@RallenMan]

Steve Criddle My advice based on your comment, get the F4. Better yet get a used F4.

[@RallenMan]

Chris Fuchs My advice based on your comment, the MixPre's are not intended for on-set production sound work. Get the F4/8 if that is the job you are doing.

[@voodoohumb]

Thanks for this very good walkthrough!

[@LearnLightAndSoundSessions]

+voodoohumb thanks!

[@crasianator1986]

Is the headphone amp good enough to make it usable as extra route-able outputs? It could be useful for sending two extra ISO's to other devices.

[@curtisjudd]

Hmm... Its very good at driving headphones but it isn't putting out a pro line level signal. I wouldn't recommend it for this purpose.

[@Jazz-Pistols]

Hi Curtis, wonderful job as always - great quality content. I‘m not sure if you already made a video about the production steps that are made after the editor syncs the video footage with the stereo mix via timecode. How will an audio program like Cubase sync the isolated tracks to the now edited movie when the editor will pass it to the sound editor? Is the timecode still the same and can be synced with the iso files? Is there a resource to find out about this step of the production? Best regards - Christoph

[@curtisjudd]

Hi Jazz Pistols, Thanks. I haven't used Cubase for video/film post before, so I'm not sure how it works there, but the MixPre records the stereo mix and isolated channels into a single poly wav file. All of the pro video editing apps sync the entire wav file to picture and that carries through to the audio post team, usually in Pro Tools. I don't have a specific video on that, I'm afraid. Sorry about that.

[@Jazz-Pistols]

@@curtisjudd Hi Curtis, thank you very much for taking the time to answer me. Thats a value information. I thought the video team would only work with the stereo mix, and the audio team has to sync the iso tracks later to the edited video - so that the video editor don‘t have to bother with too many files. But your method would make more sense. Best regards - Christoph

[@PietroSammarco-bz2en]

Thanks for the video. Could you clarify, in the takes menu, the difference between "Name, Num, Notes" and "Rename"? (around 5:40 in the video). The manual says "NAME,NUM,NOTES Edit the file’s name, number..." and "RENAME Rename the file’s name and number." ... sounds like the same thing!

[@curtisjudd]

No sure. I sold my 633 a few years ago when I added the 888. SD support should be able to clarify for you.

[@pietrosammarco6225]

@@curtisjudd I emailed Sound Devices support and they provided a long email response with screen shots, but to summarize: "'Rename' will only alter the file name specifically. It will not change or alter any metadata inside the file like 'Name, Number, and Notes' does. To be more specific, the file name is the one you'll see on the WAV file when you go to your SD card. 'Name, Number, and Notes' are often the metadata of the WAV file."

[@curtisjudd]

@@pietrosammarco6225 👍

[@joelarvidsson]

Is there anyway to record 3 microphones to single tracks (iso tracks), but not lose the gain function on knob 1,2,3,4? Not sure what use the would be to have run the faders up and down if the input gain is clipping or weak? Seams harder to change the gain on the fly if you need to faslty change the gain. Also the little wheel you control the gain for the iso tracks is usually har to reach when you have wireless receivers and cables in the way. I use mostly 2 microphones, and place them at left and right channel.But since we have started to doing more shortfilms, that is changing.

[@curtisjudd]

Yes, custom mode with the Channel setting set to basic and Record set to Advanced.

[@joelarvidsson]

It worked out good. Just needed to figure out how to turn of the stereo out from the recording when using the mixpre6 without feeding the camera. Then the stereo out more a 'clutter'.

[@Dustbrigade]

Is there a way to see the metering at the same time as setting the gain while maintaining the possibility to use faders?

[@curtisjudd]

In advanced mode, no, only the ring LED. You have to jump out of the gain setting to see the meter. I've submitted a feature request to add a meter to the gain setting screen. :)

[@Dustbrigade]

Thank you for clarifying! If anyone from Sound Devices is reading this comment I am seconding this request.

[@LittleHandsConcrete]

Great video. I have one question.... i guess the mixpre recorders are mainly for use in live recording situations, but if I used the mixpre 3 (or Zoom F4 for that matter) for multi track music recording with one or two musicians playing multiple instruments, could I have a backing track playing on one channel (but not being recorded) and record a solo track over it? ....and have the solo track available for mixing in post)?

[@curtisjudd]

If you use it as an audio interface with an app like ProTools, Garage Band, Audition, or even Audacity, yes. As just a recorder, it is not set up for multi-take multi-track recording.

[@LittleHandsConcrete]

Curtis Judd thanks for the reply and clarification Curtis.

[@pandoraefretum]

I got my MixPre 6ii back after the stuck cable... now I know what cables to throw out ! Please, how do I do a factory reset ? I can't find that option... ( when I use the input knobs, I don't get the display to read Gain or Fade... it just says 3 : -3db (which I know is fade... but still I would like the display to read "Fade" ). Anyway, your YT clips are indispensible ! Thx

[@LearnLightAndSoundSessions]

Hi Oleander, Go to the menu, then Presets menu, then Load Preset, then choose Factory Default. It won't say gain or fader when you adjust the knob, even after a factory preset from what I can tell. That would probably be a feature request you'd need to make to Sound Devices.

[@commercialand]

Thank you Curtis, probably a silly question but what about using a DAW system with this? Basically can the mix pre6 interface with protools?

[@curtisjudd]

Hi Jeff, yes, the MixPre series also work as USB audio interfaces and can work with any of the major DAWs including ProTools. We covered that a bit in our review: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pprSnpebr5mcia8

[@Sutansustain]

Hi Curtis, did you ever use controller (eg.nano from korg). Plan to buy controller for my MP6 (v3.00). Thank you. I always love your video about sound gears.

[@curtisjudd]

Yes, I used the Novation LaunchControl XL: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIOxqp53pNOYrNk