Leaving Mesa Verde: The Great Pueblo Migrations of the 13th Century

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In this Tea and Archaeology presentation, Washington State University Professor Emeritus Bill Lipe presents a talk on an ancient episode of demographic upheaval on the Colorado Plateau.

[@cadilacdesert]

would be great if the camera was on the maps and data

[@leopardwoman38]

We would have liked to have seen all the slides.

[@TheRoon4660]

It is too bad that the photographer doesn't key on the images and not just filming the speaker as if he wasn't trying to show us things.

[@jasongrey5464]

Too bad the camera didn't show the visual aids more. Amazing history of Human kind. Ethnocentrism is so outdated. Understanding our common human history is worth the struggle against ignorance.

[@drstrangelove4998]

True, no need to linger on the speaker so long. After five minutes we know what he looks like, voice is loud and clear too The slides are continually changing however!

[@delta3sigma]

He's pointing at things. Sure would have been nice to know what they were.

[@marycain7424]

Would like access to the slides.

[@walterulasinksi7031]

The volcanic eruption of Senaru in Java that occurred in 1237 CE spread a huge amount if aerosols into the atmosphere that it caused mass famine in Britain in 1238 since it spread around the entire planet, that it would have affected the Puebloeans in the southwest would not be unwarranted. It would$ have been the largest eruption in recorded history even outdoing Honga Tonga Hong api. In 2022.

[@CHixon]

I like to compare and contrast the "why" with the collapse of the Bronze Age, where issues from each event appear to address the questions of the other. It is a better comparison than the fall of the Roman Empire because the societal organization and technology of the Bronze Age back to the Stone Age is a closer fit to that of the [Stone Age] Cliff Dwellers.

[@mattrujillo5479]

Loved this presentation. Very informative

[@haroldj.kennedy7300]

It would have been nice to see more of his photos of these communities.

[@k8tron]

Thanks Bill! Using this in my class.

[@joelh7228]

Very curious to see the maps and slides he was talking about. Could you please post a link to the slides so we can follow along?

[@jeffbybee5207]

Too bad the audio could not be placed over missed slides

[@MrSlikvee]

While the lecture is very interesting and the speaker seems very knowledgeable, I think the presentation would 7:11 be much better to the video audience if the maps were shown continuously while the lecturer is talking about them. While he is a fine looking gentleman, it woukd be much easier to relate to the lecture if we could actually view the maps for more than 30 seconds at a time.

[@user-zp7jp1vk2i]

in this video at least I can understand the academic; most of these Ivory Tower vids. even in 2024 sound like they shoved the talker into the bottom of a metal barrel: you can barely understand them. But the money schools have?? No excuses to not be up to date on the tech.

[@AnthonyRomero-zr2ww]

Does that include the households and people in modern Pueblos if you will during the mid 1200s ?

[@Redfour5]

Toward the end, and as a retired state level public health official, you concentrate populations and you increase disease...

[@jr.6199]

Sedentary life, lack of exercise creates the dis-ease, far more than any other environmental factor. Second to that is over-nourished bodies. The science is in on that subject and hasn't changed in decades. We need the Kivas to be the gymnasium in every commune, if we are too successful to work for living.

[@Redfour5]

Can't argue with that...@@jr.6199

[@mlucasGrindstone]

Cameraman, you're fired

[@helenhunter4540]

I appreciate your taking into account public health issues, reaction against hierarchy, and movement as a part of culture.

[@helenhunter4540]

Can there be "a bit" of hierarchy? Is it like being "a bit" pregnant?

[@jr.6199]

I would think heirarchy is not the same as a medical condition. Unless the leaders become authoritarian, instead leaders are sometimes teachers.

[@Redfour5]

I have often thought the migration of the Navajo peoples likely starting around 1100ish was a more important "push" for the migration of the puebloans out of the area but as I research it appears that the internal divisions tied to environmental changes were the main factors. At some point, the Navajos and "Ancient Ones" did have conflicts and they may have been a factor, but now, to me, it appears that may have been more of an exclamation point than a core driver of change. The Navajo do NOT really have a very high opinion of particularly the Chaco culture noting them as slavers who may have taken advantage of the Navajos (gambler tale). I like the way he describes without concluding giving something of a broad brush without too many details but noting synergistic conclusions others have proposed kind of like "this guy thinks this" as it arises from what he describes illustrating the synergy but not necessarily agreeing with the conclusion... Excellent presentation. Wish there were more young people there...

[@mambah_mango1211]

I'm Navajo I always thought the Anasazis were like Ancient Puebloes as they migrated from Central AZ to there modern day areas... the area the Navajos live on today was totally the area where the cliff dwellers(puebloes? Freemont?) lived ... they assimilated into being Navajo... the Chaco Canyon is an evil place where they were cannibals, dark magic etc... I'm not sure if they dark magic people were pueblos or Indians from Mexican as chocolate and parrots were found there... the hopes and zunis were pretty dark magic aswell... I'm navajo and I know navajos probably were too lol

[@robertpreston3871]

Nothing about cannibalism and how that factored in (see late Dr Turners irrefutable research in Man Corn).

[@joeyriley6100]

Camera focused in wrong direction most of the time.

[@timkirkpatrick9155]

I strongly advise the cinematographer and producer to focus MUCH less on the speakers face speaking and put the object they are speaking about on screen for the majority of the time.

[@user-zp7jp1vk2i]

You ThIMK by now these academics (they sure have the money) would watch videos by some of the really good influencers and LEARN. It's right there. No more metal barrel narration, and sound you can barely make out.

[@denaredford6701]

Weird mirror behind him sort of a big distraction .

[@herberttrujillo6827]

outside world will never get the truth from us pueblos they dont need to know what happen n why it happen thats for us to knw n not anyone one else ...

[@marsmcclung9135]

Reticence in this time is inhumane and atrocious. We need the lowdown from the Pueblos.

[@mayploy6869]

We could learn not to make the same mistakes. It's selfish not to share it.

[@godfreydaniel6278]

Fortunately, science can reveal what actually happened without the need for legends and stories...

[@howardwhite1507]

Dont ever ask for my help.... you will not get any from me!

[@danielcruz8347]

🏜🦎🌶🍅🌽🦜🐇🔪⛈➿🌙

[@leahh1282]

Was war ever part of this story.

[@MothOrchid-em3ms]

Show the presentation not the speaker.

[@user-rw1ox1kl2p]

Informative. Interesting. Ineffective production methodology. I’ve turned it off.