Lebron Fan Reacts to I tracked every Michael Jordan playoff game for a decade

[@noelojeda3590]

“Fu€£ u Scottie, I’m shooting this Sh!t” lmfao. That Sh!t had me dyin lol

[@keithragin6573]

Jordan actually molded Scottie Pippen and Horace, who as rookies had skills and talent, but they were mentally soft, and Jordan toughened them up, and he was hard on the team , as he was brutally tough demanding perfection at their positions. Him and Coach Jackson made superstores out of thempractice

[@erictrio]

His teammates getting better during their championship run meant that Jordan made his teammates better...

[@DailyMIKAL]

The same can be said for a lot of other superstars also

[@erictrio]

Not really...lets say Lebron, if he really does make his teammates better, his teammates would have improved and therefore performed better not only when lebron is on the court but also more when he is off the court...

[@toneb6173]

Lol this proves lebron didn't make his team better that's why he kept running

[@ernestb4473]

The false narrative is that since -Lebron- passes a lot, that makes his teammates better. That's stupid as hell. You make you teammates better by making them increase their strengths, and lessen their weaknesses, through practice against yourself (the better player).

[@theliberator5725]

@@DailyMIKAL true, but not LeBron, because ha has no loyalty to any of his team mates.

[@crystalking2727]

Sweetie, if you watched what a lot of his coaches and teammates said about Jordan then you would know that he treated every practice as if they were playing in the playoffs. He wasn’t stacked with a super team. It was his drive, work ethic, and killer mentality that pushed the players on his team. Let’s not forget that a lot of the players now were fans of Jordan’s and mimicked his game. I can’t knock you for who you like, but I remember when Jordan was in the NBA and how he played every game on both lines. He was amazing to watch.

[@GeneTakovic225]

You should look at point distribution on Lebron and Jordan Championship teams. In 2012 finals, Lebron's team scored 73.4 ppg, leaving Lebron with 24.6 to match OKC's total production. Lebron and Wade were outmatched by Westbrook and Durant by 6.4 ppg. It's the depth that made the difference. Outside both team's top two players, the Heat's depth outscored OKC's by 10.4 ppg. In 2013, LJ needs 26 ppg to match the Spurs total and he scored 25.3. In 2016, Lebron needed 29.2 to match the warriors. He got 29.7 and Irving had 27.1. In 2020, LJ needed 24.3 to match the Heat, he got 29.8 while Davis had 25. Jordan had similar support in some of his finals, but there are others where it's clear he had less offensive support. In 93, the team outside Jordan scored 65.7. Jordan needed a whopping 41 ppg to match the Suns's high production. He finished with 41ppg. In 97, Jordan needed 31.7 to match the Jazz, he finished with 32.3. And even when he had lower scores to match like Lebron, he went much higher. In 92, 28.5 to match, he scores 35.8 for the whole series. When it comes to the sidekick, Lebron always had better offensive help in his finals wins. He outscored his second man by 6 ppg in 2012, 5.7 in 2013, 2.6 in 2016 and 4.8 in 2020. MJ ouscored Pippen by 10.4 in 91, 15 in 92, 19.8 in 93, 11.3 in 96, 12.3 in 97 and 17.8 in 98. Lebron never outscored his sidekick by more than 6 ppg while MJ never outscored Pip by less than 10.4. In his 6 finals mvp, MJ produced 34.7% of all his team's points. In LJ's finals mvp, he produced 27.7% of his team's points. And assists is not the reason for the difference. MJ had 6 apg in his 6 finals mvp while LJ had 8 apg. Least we mention Lebron had better offensive teammates to pass to, especially his sidekicks. As for competition in the finals they won, Jordan had to beat 10 top3 teams in 6 years because the east was strong, meaning that in 4 of his 6 championships, the Bulls had to through the league's two best teams (other than the Bulls). In his 4 finals MVP, Lebron had 3 top3 teams to beat. In total, MJ's finals competition averaged 61.2 wins and a +7.3 rating. Mj outscored the opp #1 33.6 vs 24.0 (+9.6) His #2-3 vs #2-3 31.3 vs 30.2 (+1.1) Rest of the teams: 31.8 vs 37.0 (-5.2) Team total outside #1vs#1: -4.1 Jordan scored 34.7% of his team points and needed 28.1 on average to match the other team's production. He went +5.5 over. For LJ's 4 finals MVP, opp averaged 59.5 wins and +6.6 Lebron vs opp : 28.3 vs 24.0 (+4.3) #2-3 vs #2-3: 35.9 vs 32.3 (+3.6) Rest of the team: 37.9 vs 43.7 (-5.8) Team total outside #1vs#1: -2.2 LJ scored 27.7% of his team's points and needed 26.2 on average to match the opposition. He went +2.1. The sheer difference in production gives a lot more merit to MJ's Finals MVPs. And whatever happened when Lebron loss with bad teams is no different than what MJ lived through with the super teams in Boston and Detroit. I have even more data that shows the chasm in production. Like... before ever winning a Finals, before 90-91, MJ played 53 playoffs game with an average opponent at 55 wins and +5.1, he scored 35.8 ppg in 53 games (35.6%) while needing to score 37.1 to match the other team. Outside of #1vs#1, his team was -14.6 ppg. Out of those 11 series, 9 were top 10 teams. For Lebron, before 11-12, he played 92 playoff games with an average opposition of 50.5 wins and +3.4. He scored 26.6 (30.2%) and needed to score 20.6 ppg to meet the other teams's total production. Outside #1 vs #1, his team was +0.7. In those 17 series, only 9 were top10 teams. So they both had 9 series vs top 10 teams. They both were 3-6 in those series before winning. Lebron's teams had weaker opposition in the playoffs because they finished higher in the season, but was it because of Lebron or did he have a better team? So let's look at those 9 series each vs top 10 teams before winning it all: Opposition similar, 58.1 +6.2 for MJ, 58.3 +6.3 for LJ. MJ vs #1 34.6 vs 22.5 (+12.1) LJ vs #1 26.6 vs 21.9 (+4.7) MJ's #2-3 vs #2-3 27.8 vs 33.6 (-5.8) LJ's #2-3 vs #2-3 31.0 vs 32.3 (-1.3) MJ's rest of team vs rest 36.0 vs 45.9 (-9.9) LJ's rest vs rest 32.4 vs 37.0 (-4.6) MJ's team outside #1vs#1 -15.7 ppg LJ's team outside #1 vs #1 -5.9 ppg For clarity, Jordan was 6.9 apg in those 53 games while LJ was 6.7 in his 92 games, so it's not a question of one of the two helping his teammates more. It's pretty clear that Jordan had a weaker team vs his opposition which is why his team ended lower and faced stiffer competition early in the playoffs, so the whole "10 finals" is just situational.

[@bchunt72]

The comment in the video at about 22:30 mark was that the Bulls with Jordan were about on par from an overall plus minus as the Warriors with Steph, KD, etc.. it did not say his supporting cast was. Re-listen to what he said.

[@chrisyeazel9915]

You’re not from Elmhurst IL are you? I knew a Brian Hunt from there and am wondering if it could be you? If not, sorry to bother you.

[@gabrielw7773]

Super teams aren't formed through the draft. Jordan never left to form a superteam. He made his teammate that much better.

[@xyellaboyx9098]

Scotty didn't choose to go to Chicago. He was traded to Chicago immediately after being drafted. That team was drafted and developed with and around Jordan.

[@DiaAkin]

Youngin, I was born in the 70's. I DID watch Jordan play. And I absolutely DESPISE that man!!! I was born and raised in Michigan, so you already know I'm a Piston fan to the bone. I used to LOVE watching my Bad Boys send him home in the playoffs! That was better than my birthday! 😂 And with that said, the man is the GOAT and it's not even close! LeBron is a beast. And as much as I hate Jordan and want to give someone else the GOAT, the realness in me can't allow me to pretend I didn't see what I saw when MJ was on that court! The dude was INCREDIBLE!!! Listen, the man was SO good, he would do something during a game and made me forget I was rooting AGAINST him! My dumb ass would jump off the couch like "YES!!! YES!!! DID YALL SEE THA....wait! I mean....no! NOOOOO!" Man, they year they finally beat us, I thought my uncle was gonna have a heart attack the way he was yelling at the TV. All you heard was "DO SOMETHING! PULL A GUN OUT AND SHOOT THAT MF IF YOU HAVE TO! JUST STOP HIM!" I know y'all can't fathom someone being greater than LeBron because he's amazing. But, that man DID exist. And it was Michael Jeffrey Jordan. And this is coming from his biggest hater.

[@justinreckers161]

Have to take in account that MJ talked about how he had to change the culture of the Bulls. It’s seems every year his tm8s got better. To me this shows how great of a leader MJ was. He literally made his tm8s better

[@HaischkaEST]

Michael Jordan has 7 of the top 10 playoff SERIES scoring averages of all time... singlehandedly. He averaged 40+ on blistering efficiency in 5 playoff series, including the record setting 41 ppg in the 1993 finals and the only back-to-back 50 point games ever in the playoffs (Cleveland 89, winning a series the Bulls were supposed to lose). Nope, these statements are not cap.

[@alanela6761]

Averaged 43 against the Celtics in 86, too.... but lost all 3 games to a much better team...

[@Scaley_Reptile]

wow, thats nuts

[@kenerickson5286]

They built their team over years. Easy button. They got better and worked hard. They didn’t jump teams to link up for instant wins.

[@DailyMIKAL]

Bro lebron won early hard to build a team when you picking late also had a owner who refused to build around lebron on the other hand the bulls was good but wasn’t winning like the lebron teams until Scottie so stop

[@alessandroid]

@@DailyMIKAL fyi, Scottie averaged 7ppg in the same season that MJ was named MVP, DPOY, scoring leader, steals leader, slam dunk champion, and All-Star MVP. Don't get me wrong, MJ definitely needed Pippen to win, but let's not overlook that MJ made Pip who he was.

[@kenerickson5286]

@@DailyMIKAL you think mike didn’t groom to Scottie to the player he was. Scottie was the ball boy his first year in college. Bron lost lost. Goes to Miami joins wade , Bosch, then leaves to go to Cleveland. Oh wait Kyrie and Kevin love already their. Bron had nothing to do with that.? Then jumps to lakers. Can’t win. I need AD to win at Disney world bubble. Not even comparable bro. Your hoops bias is laughable at best.

[@karimcler9769]

@@DailyMIKAL you wouldnt know who Scottie are if hé didnt play with Mike.

[@cheezezlayer493]

@@DailyMIKAL You got it all backwards LBJ can't keep his teams ego in check it's not about the owner who refused to build around LBJ, he gave him the will why do you think how the Lebron system was made and how it works? that's why him and kyrie and love got a conflict, some leader who can't tame his team and got saved his ass in multiple occasions! so your only reason is scottie?? lolz what a weak argument, pip drafted from Seattle but got traded in Chicago he wasn't that good not in several years MJ work on him make strong and durable for him to be able to keep with him MJ made his team better with strict tutelage and trainings routine, they get by, so Lets go to LBJ who or what teams he played in again pls remind me! Cavs Kyrie, irvine, tristan thompson, Mo Williams, Richard Jefferson man those guys can play well, in MIA the already champ team Wade BoSH and Ray Allen those are big HOF names you can't denied that, and in L.A w/c LABRON hand pick west brook, carmelo, Anthony Davis, Rajon Rondo, Carusso etc. what efforts did LBJ need to work for, as he already playing with HOF players and teams then your only argument is scottie??? Fuck hahaha! you stop bro this is why LBJ fans has been said had weak argumentative capabilities! it's not like Pippen is already a superstar when he first start in Chicago FYI it's not after the first 2 championships, and he accumulated to many foot and back injuries so most of the games

[@JethNova143]

It's a great video. I used to think Lebron was the better teammate than Jordan while Jordan was the better player than Lebron. This video proved me wrong. Not only was Jordan the better player, but also the better teammate! He dragged a useless team to glory whether they liked it or not. And they excelled because of his relentless leadership. So inspirational!

[@southfloridafromabove8445]

Jordan didn't have a good team, he practically build it himself. Lebron haven't been able to do that. It wasn't only his game, it was his play making.

[@mikeypdrum854]

MJ is a true leader. He was already super elite and really couldn’t get much better, BUT he helped develop his teammates into winners bc he pushed them and demanded nothing less than their very best. That’s why they got better during those years. Huge difference in leadership between him and Lebron.

[@blindprophet182]

You mean he actually made his team better, over just feeding guys easy buckets.

[@maestro4337]

@@blindprophet182 No. Lebron’s star teammates all took a step back and played worse with the exception of Kyrie. Bosh, Wade, Love and AD all had better numbers before joining with him. Especially Love & Bosh

[@Blakshu1]

@@maestro4337 this shoots down the BS narrative of LeBron making his teammates better, which was created by the media and regurgitated constantly to justify LeBron being "better" (than Jordan).

[@vincekhoo3278]

Exactly. He was already called "God disguised as MJ" by a legend in his early years of NBA. Can't get much better than that lol.

[@bryemartin6368]

Weren't stacked teams, it was teams that matured and got better as the years went by, all because MJ made his team better in so many ways because of his leadership. Leflop joined super teams and over the years he did not make his teams better. There's a huge difference between these two aspects, which I don't know if it's because of kids like you youth or just not being too intelligent...

[@D457-y1q]

I agree. The Bulls kept their core guys together and managed to add thru the draft. LeBron was the M on the Cavs for both times.

[@bigraj337]

Those Bulls definitely weren’t “Super Teams.” Pippen and Grant were drafted by Chicago. They developed under MJ and got better over time. Mike didn’t hand pick a bunch of All NBA selections. For the 2nd 3-peat, Kukoc was a draft pick, and Rodman and Harper were brought in to replace other departures. Still effective guys, just not quite in their primes. Big difference from having guys like Wade & Bosh and Love & Kyrie in their All Star primes.

[@shizzyshawn412]

unnecessary

[@sroland3533]

Exactly Wht we try to Teach or get them to Understand but no matter what no matter how they never accept it. LeChic went to the Cavs and lost & lost & lost then he said he had enuff and joined MIA with D Wade n Bosh. Now MJ was just as Dominant and more wen he entered the NBA, so you telln me tht leading the NBA in Scoring and voted DPOY the same Season which LeChic never and will never do bcse he cannot play DEFENSE but you're telln me tht isn't Dominant but hey he was in the same predicament like LeChic as in not having a good team around him. Now remember Scottie & Grant were both nurtured by MJ & Phil and as the yrs went by the Blossomed. MJ himself reopened his eyes to the Team concept bcse he now had Teammates he cud trust. A mean hey he went abt it the Tough Rough or the Brutal way but even so Players got their own accolades plus their Rings. So hey my Leader was an Ass Hole most the time and we parted after 4 Seasons but hey I didn't leave empty handed at least tht Ass Hole bckd his cht wen it was time to do just tht.

[@lasair9374]

Exactly bro you said it best these lebron fans I think they kind of slow lol

[@melvillealexander5798]

Anyone who thinks that the Bulls teams were stacked like Dub City is seriously hallucinating. All you have to do is compare the player stats. Even Pip got much better as the years passed. He was no where near the Pip he turned into when he arrived. The Bulls matured into a team of role players and they gelled well. Their style of play (triangle) worked well for them. The shooters knew they were expected to hit shots and the big men rebounded.

[@jayviencortez]

It wasn’t a (stacked team) like Bron created. They just (improved over time). And when they were ready, they couldn’t be stopped.

[@merovechthe1st]

Watched both players entire careers, Lebron and Jordan and I'll just say this: every player, team and coach genuinely feared playing against Jordan. No one anywhere fears playing Lebron.

[@sethbullock4193]

Exactly

[@Huegtoad2011]

That's not entirely true, a 6'8 265 locomotive with 0 body fat with sprinter speed and long jumper hops gets a free run at the basket, in getting the f out of there in a hurry. Not saying just saying. Now that same guy is holding the ball at 22 feet saying, I'm going to shoot it if you don't guard me" I'm like fine shoot it and getting in position for the board

[@paulmayes76]

Jordan's team wasn't that good until he made them that good

[@KevinMorales-ey5zp]

The goat forever timeless

[@TheImage3320]

MJ is a great defensive and offensive promise. HE WAS NOT A THREAT ... HE WAS A PROMISE.

[@philipyoung4439]

If you had watched both of them during their career, you would NOT think LeKaren is the Goat.

[@derrrick7759]

15:50. The Bulls were a stacked team because of Jordan. That team had some crackheads when he arrived-literally- and he turned that team into a dynasty. They were good because of the pressure he put on them in practice. Jordan made Pippen and Kukoc HOF players, whereas LeBronze couldn’t make his teammates better, thus he had to recruit HOF players to win.

[@Relaxation_Rain_Sleep_Sounds]

Jordan built the players. Tough love to playing thier full potential. Not jump to a stacked team

[@Asnyik1]

MJ didn’t call and team up with other allstars and franchise players IN HIS PRIME to become a champion! Fact of the matter is, when MJ was getting beat up by Detroit, he didn’t call on other allstars to form a super team so he can get pass the one team he couldn’t beat, Mj went to the gym and got stronger to take the punishment that Detroit was dishing out. LBJ couldn’t get pass the Boston Celtics and he left home to team up with 2 other franchise players in his prime!!! It’s the journey that you take to get the top that defines you,… he clearly took the easy way to get there! Jordan pushed his teammates to reach their best and that’s why even without him on the court, his teammates still performs at a very high level.

[@akirakatani4726]

This is a prime example with Lebron fans not understanding the context and actual points the guy is making. This is why MJ was considered the hardest worker in practice. His presence drew so much attention in the floor the importance of his teams development… showed based on how hard they worked. When you look at each player individually,., you can see they weren’t actually a super team.

[@francisrobertbarrientos3247]

Jordan and the Bulls was not a super team, he had a great cast of players surrounding him. Compared to Lebron, he had to team up or invite a cast of super star players, which ended up becoming a super team.

[@tomharper8351]

Counting MJ’s Tar Heels championship, 2 dream team golds, 2 Pan Am golds & 6-6 in NBA/6-6 MVP it’s pretty much a mic drop 11-0 in championship games. Jordan made his teammates better instead of instigating trades to better teams. This isn’t a debate worth having. I’m a Pistons fan btw

[@RedPhill24]

Those ass whooping the pistons gave Jordan made him better.

[@luisrobledo5635]

He still never built a super team The organization built the team You listen but you don't listen

[@tonyf6335]

Jordan had a super team because he MADE them a super team. They were majority all drafted with a couple cast-off from other teams. LBron recruited friends to play together. At no time did Jordan get a top 3/5/10player in the league to join him. He had to wait on the teams drafted players to develop and he was a huge part of their development

[@Scaley_Reptile]

Yep, Like Russell, Magic, Bird...Zeke and the majority in the all time greats. Only Lebron gets special credit without having actually helped develop the talent.

[@roberthelgren2723]

🤣...using owners and general managers in his case... 🤣

[@yoseffeigenbaum9639]

6 and 0. Never failed to show up when needed. MJ is THE GOAT.

[@leptonparticle238]

He said the team WITH Jordan was comparable to KD warriors. While Jordan was the only Superstar scorer. No other Bull during these years scored 20points per game in the playoffs, and MJ still carried them to that lvl. And teammates improving while playing with MJ is something he should get credit for, because Brons teammates didn't become better, unless they are spot up shooters.

[@dnoll2323]

Jordan was the ultimate competitor and held his teammates accountable to stay focused and win! If you remove Jordan from that team like 94-95 seasons you get a slightly above average team. Jordan made them a super team. Plus Jordan was on the bulls for 13 seasons and the front office did a good job surrounding him with the right supporting cast over time.

[@nathanmckenzie904]

Building a team and buying are 2 very different things

[@ironhorsedeuel]

The desperation of the LeBron fan is comical

[@Just_an_Azn_guy]

Just wrap this around your mind, 2 times 3peats with 6 final MVPs. He is a pretty good basketball player......GOAT

[@granvilleeversley9023]

the bulls in the 90s were never a superteam!! The only superstar they had besides MJ was Scottie, and he had to develop and mature from when he first got to bulls!! MJ was always the number 1 guy on the bulls, even when he came back from retirement in '95. Lebron played with more all stars and hall of famers than MJ ever did!

[@clay1108]

Bulls team "Practice games are harder because we went against MJ, to prepare us for whatever pressure we face" He made his team play to almost his level. That is what it is. MJ was called THE best player by Bobby Knight even before he played in the NBA. He led 84 Olympics team against NBA All Star to win all 8 games. That NBA team had prime Bird, Magic, Isiah Thomas, Drexler, Parish, McHale, English etc. So of course he "didn't get better", he was already at his best.

[@louisiana6455]

And if I'm picking someone too win with, I'm picking Jordan... That's Facts !

[@Ramgime]

MJ played for one team his whole career (Bulls) and was only traded once to the Wizards at the end of his career. Lebron James has played for Cleveland (twice), Miami, and LA. Jordan wasn't jumping teams trying to win with other stars when the Bulls struggled. That is something that is missing from the NBA now. Players used to have a sense of pride when they played for a team, and always wanted to compete against the best and be challenged. Now guys just leave their team for more money, chance to win rings with other stars, and for popularity in a larger market. That's why I respect Giannis a lot for sticking with Milwaukee and winning a ring with them. They are a small market team that would have never won a ring unless Giannis wanted to stick around. Who would want to play for the Milwaukee Bucks now when they can go play for the Lakers, Clippers, Warriors, Heat, Knicks, Nets, Bulls, or 76er's and have a chance to play with an all star line up. You have to really have that mental drive and passion to stick with the same team. I hate when players take the easy road now and join a team that is already playoff built. Jordan had Pippen, but it wasn't like the Bulls traded for Pippen and he was already a superstar. Pippen had to come along and learned to be great from Michael because he knew that Michael would always be critical of him if he did not perform up to par. I watched Magic, Bird, Jordan, Olajuwon (who know one talks about. Legendary player also), Kobe, and Lebron and the one thing that stands out is Lebron is the only one that was jumping teams. All of those other guys stuck with their teams until maybe the end of their careers when they were finally traded. Jordan is the best player I have ever watched play. Hands down. It isn't even close. If MJ were drafted when he was in high school just imagine what his stats might look like now. Who would catch him? Imagine how many 40, 50, 60, 70 point games he would have. He might have more than 6 rings too.

[@hectorbatang3023]

I felt you when you said that you were born too late to see both MJ and Bron play.

[@normacherylwashington4872]

The chart tells you that MJ made the team better each and every year!!!!

[@pass_the_buck_owen5159]

I’m MJ all day but this is a good look at the other side of the fence. 💯

[@castrodenavarrone]

MJ set the precedent on his team. He involuntary made his teammates raise their game by being the example through his work ethic and demeanor

[@RoninBgk]

Pray for this boy soul. MJ all day 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐

[@mikhailpugliano9610]

22:24 pretty sure he said when "Jordan IS on the floor" they were just behind the Warriors

[@DailyMIKAL]

“KD WARRIORS” and I said the fact that even comparable should tell you that he was on a stacked team

[@michaelwhite3607]

So you are using the fact that ONLY the team that your generation describes as the most unstoppable force in the history of sports is behind Jordan and Scottie makes the Lebron the GOAT how? I appreciate that you are watching these older generations to make an informed decision about who you think is the best. I can even appreciate that your favorite is the guy you have grown up watching. My simple reason on why Jordan is the best is because when you ad skill, defense, winning, footwork and a will to win. It feels like every defense of Lebron has a about how far he carried scrub teams and yet neither he nor Jordan ever won with scrub teams. I also think Jordan doesn’t have the blemish of ever losing in Finals to a team he was favored to beat. ‘11 DID happen. It doesn’t take away from Lebron as a top player of all time but when talking about the best ever you can’t have the tape of getting smoked by a bench player over and over on your way to a Finals loss. I’ve never watched Finals in which Jeff Horneck came of the bench and personal toasted MJ over an entire series.

[@BT405]

@@DailyMIKAL bro he said when Jordan was on the floor they were just behind that era of the warriors. You saw the drastic difference with him off the floor in the video. Don't be ignorant now just to try and drive your narrative, as your claiming the jordan heads do

[@cheezezlayer493]

oh you mean the 73-9 w/o a ring and got choked in the finals warriors :") I'd rather get into the 72-10 with a ring and finishes the game without game 7 Chicago bulls, it's just simple even with KD warriors they won't stand a chance with the bulls! the only argument this generation on the weak goat conversation is when LBJ caught up with the 73-9 warriors defeating them in 2016, so in perspective, the warriors beat the bulls in winning games then LBJ beat the warriors, then that makes LBJ the goat?? it's so childish and very immature, no wonder LBJ homies get busted easily in debates and conversations with weak arguments! Padstats don't add up that much

[@garygnu8775]

@@michaelwhite3607 lol. And that one kills me every time. LeBron was getting smoked by bench player. That Sir, is not GOAT material...

[@markphillips480]

There is no argument Michael is the goat Kobe a second LeBron is a distant third, the end

[@kennethcohn1083]

Jordan mastered his championships and stats after x amount of seasons while lebron is on 20 seasons. The goat is jordan

[@tomt5482]

I do have to laugh when Lebron fans find one stat that gives Lebron the edge and think the debate is over. Aside from tallying up numbers over a longer career what else does Lebron have over Jordan? I get he is this generations best player but he's never been the best in the league at anything except finishing through defenses but that's mainly due to his size. Would he be dominant at 6'6"? Jordan was a lethal finisher, mid range scorer and had an amazing post game. Jordan challenged teammates while Lebron throws his under the bus and moves to greener pastures. Will never understand this debate tbh. It was over in 2011 when Lebron failed against Dallas.

[@jamesmitchell3615]

Bro, I heard you say that slick remark about "stacked team, stacked team, stacked team", but you do know Jordan's "stacked team" he's talking about in the video was built up through the draft, and role player trades. You get an "A" for effort tho !!

[@thereisablackholeatthecent3340]

When was the 90s bulls ever stacked? MAYBE the second three peat, because of 3 people mainly. These narratives 🤦‍♂️

[@paulcrist7190]

When Kerr went to the Bulls Jordan tested him and ended up giving him a black eye in practice. Kerr after getting the black eye was still standing up to Joran, that's when he earned Jordan's respect, and that's when he started getting passes in the game from Jordan for wide open shots. Jordan built his team, LJ just wanted to join a prebuilt team. That's one difference that you really don't understand. Another difference you don't understand is the Drama that LJ causes on his teams. LJ cries about not having better teammates instead of leading his teammates and challenging them to be better. Both of them had great team mates, there's no dispute there. MJ made them better with his focus and LJ made them worse with his distractions. And as far as Rodman joining the Bulls, he joined because he wanted to play with the GOAT. Players wanted to be on Jordan's team, they don't want to be on LJ's team. He causes too much drama on the court. Look, let me break it down for you like this without the noise. LJ is under 75% from the line LJ is well under 40% when he's 3 feet or more from the rim LJ is 20% in the Clutch No one with that many gaping holes in their game should ever be considered in the GOAT conversation. Real talk, if I was picking a team of the best players of all time, LJ doesn't make the team with that many holes and with that much drama. My forwards on that team are Tim Duncan, Malone, Bird, & Irving.

[@cheeseburger12]

Rodman joined the Bulls because the Spurs wanted to get rid of him and he had little value. Unless you want to say Will Perdue is a valuable trade chip. That said, Phil and Jordan were able to mostly keep Dennis in line. I don't know if another team could have.

[@paulcrist7190]

@@cheeseburger12 - The Spurs made a bad trade there. The Bulls picked him up because they needed someone who could keep Shaq out of the paint, and also to take some of the heat off an aging MJ on defense. He was too wild for the 90s which is saying a lot. lol, but MJ & the boys did keep him in line, kind of for the most part. But all in all he was just what that team needed at the time

[@cheeseburger12]

@@paulcrist7190 The Spurs didn't make a bad trade. They had to dump Rodman, he wore out his welcome. No one wanted him. If they didn't trade him, he would have been cut.

[@paulcrist7190]

@@cheeseburger12 - He was worth more than what they got back, that's the definition of a bad trade.

[@cheeseburger12]

@@paulcrist7190 they got better value then if the Bulls wouldn't have traded. If no one else wanted Rodman and no one else could control Rodman, then what is his value?

[@snowman8199]

Have a little mercy, he's misunderstanding a little.

[@mrenglewood_77]

The Last Dance should make sense to everyone now in why MJ was so demanding. There was no need to change teams. Just improve YOUR team chemistry from year to improve by being tougher on your teammates in practice. There was no super team in Chicago.

[@natedablack7857]

Exactly... How could a team be a "super team", when only "1" guy (MJ) was the LONE selected All Star in all 6 of their title seasons? Let that sink in for a min... The ONLY reason WHY LBJ's fanboys LOVE the old: "MJ had better teams!" narrative so much, is because they think it'll minimize MJ's OBVIOUS impact on the Bulls winning fortunes, which they think will level the playing field and make for a more favorable comparison for LBJ, when his repeated failures are highlighted in a comparison with MJ. That's what the intent/motive is behind this particular narrative: finding a way to level the playing field for LBJ.

[@zxcvb3772]

@@natedablack7857 They also tried to claim that Jordan had superteam and every other teams in his era were weak.. but look at Pistons 93 roster, 3 hall of famers still in their prime, but couldn't even make it to the playoffs. Those people are clearly doing it to diminish Jordan's impact on the Bulls to make certain someone look better in comparison, when there was never a comparison to begin with.

[@castrodenavarrone]

I don't remember the Bulls going out and picking up super free agents apart from Rodman. Most of the players they won championships with were drafted or free agents that were coachable and understood systems.

[@shade0180]

Rodman wasn't a super free agent. No team wants Rodman, Spur was willing to let off Rodman if no one want to trade that's literally how bad Rodman situation is when the bulls took him in.

[@shawnbrooks2051]

@@shade0180 The Bulls were Rodmans last chance in the NBA, like Lebron nobody wanted his drama.

[@GuyKirk]

People keep forgetting about Phil. Jordan or Pippen didn't win without the "Tri-Angle." That's why the Bulls went far without Jordan, the Phil Jackson game plan. Lebreon kept switching teams and didn't wait for his teams to get "better."

[@Cous1000]

There's a video series out there you can watch that talks about GOAT discussions for many players. One section of it talk about the help each player had. Scottie Pippen was the only all-star on MJ's championship teams and that was in the later years. Think about that for a moment... XD Here's the start of the video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJWnmGevZquqhK8 You can see the other parts by checking out the channel the vid is on.

[@pokeitout4450]

Jordan is just greater than lebron. Stats dont need to back that up. Think of the most iconic jersey in basketball and immediately you will thing of that 23 jordan jersey. Mjs greatness will outway any player to come, including lebron. Mj is just the greatest simply

[@julianmartin2713]

the part you're missing is Jordan's leadership & competitiveness made his teammates better, he didn't except trash teams !

[@D457-y1q]

Also missed that he does not disappear in the playoffs. LeBron against 2011 mavs avg less than 18 pts. Out played by Jason Terry 6' 2"/ JJ Barea (was he even 6 ft?) combo.

[@Joey4418]

Please name 1 all star outside of scottie pippen. I'll wait. Name the all stars for lebron

[@thecane]

that aint a super team thats more of a team getting better with time. none of those bench players or role players would have been stars on other teams.

[@whenisdinner2137]

The 93 suns were not a shit team by any stretch. They have the best record in the league and they had an identical offensive rating to the 2017 warriors. They just had only slightly better than average defense.

[@GeneTakovic225]

As did the Warriors. 15th in D in 2015. 19th in 2016. 11th in 2017 and 18th in 2018.

[@leptonparticle238]

I don't believe how dumb Brons fans are. He said Jordan's second three peat bulls were almost as dominant as KD warriors. But that doesn't make them a superteam. Jordan was the ONLY superstar and he had just one allstar in Scottie. So the fact that his team was almost as dominant as these Warriors speaks only to his greatness. Lebron on the other hands was NEVER able to make his teams so dominant while having 2 different SUPERTEMS, especially the one in Miami.

[@MiguelSilva-ks3tn]

He keeps geting better and his teams keep loosing.I tought this sports thing was about wining.,He should play golf or tennis...Jordan was the better offensive player of his era,was one of the best defensive players and completly dominated when he was wining champs,and obliterated stats when he was loosing.I like wining better...

[@justinschmelzel8806]

Scottie was drafted in 88. None of these numbers are pre scottie. Scottie needed Jordan pushing him to make him better and we actively see that here and with how players like scottie developed around him.

[@Nakdimon316]

Super team? Jordan played with players that had a TOTAL of 10x All Stars. Pippen was a 7x All Star, Rodman was a 2x All Star and Grant a 1x All Star. And note that Rodman and Grant were All Stars when they DIDN'T play with Jordan. Rodman was an All Star during his Pistons days and Grant had his lone All Star appearance when Jordan played Baseball. So basically Jordan, when playing, had only Pippen as an All Star player. What Super Team did Jordan play on? Jordan was such a leader that he elevated the game of his team. Everyone is talking about the Bulls during the 93-94 season when they got to the ECSF when they rode on the coattails of their championship season, but no one is talking about the 94-95 Bulls before MJ returned when they struggled and were 34-31. But back to the supposed super team argument. MJ only had players with a total of 10 all star appearances throughout his entire career. Lebron up until now has players with a total of 91 all star appearances during his career. If the Bulls were a super team with that roster, then you can't say Jordan played in a weak era, since there obviously were players in the league that were much better than the "super players" on Jordan's team. Those other players made the All Star teams and all NBA teams, not the players on Jordan's "super team". Those players on the Bulls teams were good, but Jordan simply elevated their game so they got the better of teams they played. The player who's gotten more help here is Lebron, not MJ.

[@Benayahuw1141]

That's crazy because nobody on Jordan team was an All star besides Scotty

[@jacquesthompson2946]

The consistency with the Bulls 90s was not stars,it was the triangle offence which was only played by the Bulls. Even when MJ went out for 2 yrs they were able to go far into the playoffs. They had Kukoc which made a difference, playing alongside Scottie who arguably had an MVP season. In those days teams stayed together longer

[@allyal728]

Home grown teams. But the moral of the story is tht they never ever scored more with Jordan off the court then they did with him on the court. On top of tht, Jordan figured out how to just win the game. He was playing a different game then everyone else. If you saw the games you would understand. I saw Both play n I’m telling you Jordan couldn’t be stopped once he started winning n he made his teammates better n made them make shots n his want to win at all cost rubbed off on his team. Tht means more then anything…..

[@CumpasFilms]

Yeah: Dickey simpkins jue bucheler and bill wennington constitute a stacked team. Lebron needed at least 2 other all stars to win his championships. Jordan needed team oriented role players that could be molded. Those bulls teams in some respects were more like the Duncan spurs: a bunch of no name players playing the right way

[@MrDavisSaysHELLYEAH]

Stephon Marbury said it best Jordan should not even be mentioned in the same breath as any other player because he is unrankable number one is Kobe then number two LeBron then everybody can pick which players after that it's that simple.

[@normacherylwashington4872]

The team got better because Michael refused to be a loser!!!

[@ghaile7919]

Jordan's team became better because of HIS LEADERSHIP and HE ACCEPT NOTHING FROM HIS TEAM BUT 100% commitment and lj don't have the ability to make his team mates work hard and commit, that's why this only add up why Michael Jeffrey Jordan is the GOAT, because with his leadership he condition his team to be better year after year after year unlike LJ who team up with the best players but still didn't win simply because he didn't not made his team mates better.

[@riquetc0060]

I don't know why supporting casts matter so much to LeBron fans. They don't really affect the goat debate that much. Like if MJ had a better supporting cast, so what? Does that automatically overrule the whole 2 more championships he won? Does it change the fact that he has more regular season and finals MVPs? Does it change the fact that he's better statistically, or that he is better defensively, or that he shoots more efficiently in the clutch? The point is, you have so much more to prove before you convince anybody that LeBron is the goat, and even then it's a big reach to say Jordan had more help in the first place.

[@DailyMIKAL]

First the vid tells you had a better supporting cast second did you just say why dies a supporting cast have to do with success in a TEAM sport and also he doesn’t have better stats than lebron stop just saying things

[@riquetc0060]

@@DailyMIKAL Firstly, did it really? Basing supporting casts off of literally just box plus minus is dumb for obvious reasons. Secondly, we're comparing individual players, not teams. And Lastly, Jordan easily has better advanced stats than Lebron. He has the highest PER of all time, the highest winshares per 48 minutes of all time, and funnily enough he has a higher box plus minus both offensively and defensively. The only advanced stats LeBron is better in are accumalative ones, such as VORP. Didn't you watch "Jordan vs Lebron - The Best GOAT Comparison" a while back? That video broke down in detail how Jordan is better statistically.

[@razzo086]

@@riquetc0060 why are people even debating this, it’s obvious Jordan was better. I don’t even know why they consider Lebron better than Kobe, Kobe’s wnd in my opinion. Lebron is the opposite of clutch and can’t shoot for shit outside 3 meters

[@D457-y1q]

Most of the major changes on the Bulls were role players. LeBron has played GM everywhere he has gone. Name a young player that became great playing with LeBron? Hard to name one because he wants proven players to make his runs. Even in Miami, Bosh and Wade not enough. Had to get Ray Allen

[@Coolmathgames-y2o]

@@riquetc0060 i think he has short term memory jordan has better stats

[@Elecworkforce]

Mike made everyone great

[@ironhorsedeuel]

Here is what you missed. Jordan demanded excellence from his teammates. He made them practice hard. He made them execute. So well, here you arw thinking everyone, outside of Pippin equated to a stacked team.. These teams were not started. These teams had the Jordan standard. Another reason he is better the LeBron. By far.

[@halfshot253]

They weren't all stars from the start. They matured as a group. Thats why loyalty is key. Something that modern players toss around like a volkeyball. Look what happened to Grant when he parted ways with Mj. Never heard of him again. Lebron on the other hand JOINED an established team lead by Wade and along the way recruited Allen, another superstar to help him chase his ring. When he found out that Wade was injured and of no use, jump shipped again

[@ryantromp9152]

Bulls got better, because Jordan pressured them to get better. That is why even his teammates had fear of him

[@RosalieSingh-z8v]

like as the narator says his team got better over the years, co'z mj mentality even in practice is much harder than the actual game as kokuc said.

[@MicroWave233]

This is pretty normal though for players that play most of their careers with the same team. The star will still be great but overtime his team will get better if they start to contend for titles.

[@Dshatila1983]

Jordan didn't get any better because you can't get any better than the Greatest. 😂

[@nickgleeson7168]

Mike is one of the greatest shooters of all time lebron can't hit back to back free throws please don't compare mj to lebum James

[@KleinpeterHank]

Just a small point, Lebrons place on that graph is just from ‘16-21. Not his whole career. Same with everyone else’s. I’m also less inclined to put that much stock in a graph that has post-injury David Robinson at the top of the pack.

[@JLDub86]

Bulls and warriors built their teams up and played team ball. That’s why they won and were similar in plus minus. They were not built around one player being the successor.

[@sudeepkummarakunta8494]

LeBron would never come near the Jordan's level 🔥

[@takeout221]

STOP MAKING EXCUSSES. JORDAN DID NOT HAVE A SUPER TEAM. HE JUST HAD A BETTER TEAM.

[@realdeal7279]

You know what doesn't add up? Labrons free throws 🤣

[@shawnmartin7000]

He makes his team better MJ the goat it's not even close. Lebron should never even be mentioned in the same sentence

[@santiagor1970]

Here is what I think They themselves said they weren't any good. That Jordan would bring it out of Them and if They were slacking Jordan would get on them. Jordan got so mad in practice that he punch steve kerr in the face. LongLy and Kukos said the same in their documentary. He was a perfectionist.

[@hershelpogue1745]

And Jerry Krause isn't the greatest GM, of all time, that's only Jerry West the logo, that became the greatest GM of all times.

[@TrojanRabbit521]

I think the difference in OG fans is the Bulls worked their way up the ladder. The only big free agent was Rodman for 2nd 3 peat, who didn’t contribute to offensive side except offensive rebounds. Other trades were merely finding players with a mentality to deal with Jordan’s expectations/abuse. We watched Jordan & Pippen get hammered by Bad Boys but instead of making trades. They worked harder to level up to overcome the challenges. Lebron didn’t make 1st super team. Lakers had Magic, Worthy & Kareem with above average player Byron Scott. 2 🐐 candidates and 2 All Stars. Jordan’s 1st 3peat was 2 All Stars. We don’t hate Lebron but having watched 40 years of NBA he’s a generation great like Shaq or Hakeem but hasn’t made All Time great list. Lebron also had bad timing entering league with Kobe & Timmy and then Steph emerged. I think fans prefer players who ride ups & downs in 1 city. That maybe unfair but so is life

[@patrickcade658]

Jordan never leave his team Jordan played for one team

[@t.rankin2450]

🤦🏿‍♂️😂😂😂😂😂 Bron fan boys are funny as hell... Keep searching and putting videos out please, helps Jordan's case everytime 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@vtecsti]

He created a good team. He didn’t come in with a good team.

[@DailyMIKAL]

Jerry Krause created a good team

[@mikerobinson6969]

@@DailyMIKAL was it Kraus or Jordan they were afraid of upsetting??

[@zxcvb3772]

@@DailyMIKAL Created such a good team he had no prior success nor any success after Jordan.

[@theonlynative16]

Don’t blame the city

[@snowman8199]

The teams got better because of MJ and the experience of all the battles , but Lebron ran to Miami to be around stars, in the finals, it was more Wade and Bosh, than Lebron.

[@joetalkshow]

Had you seen Jordan play.. trust me, you would know why he's the best. Lebron doesn't have the killer instinct.

[@rexreyes757]

They were behind the warriors team yet they didnt have a super team...they just got better ever year because of their system and experiences during their championship runs...

[@r3d3mp710nx]

Hahahaaa lol Anyway... Jordan steps in when the opposing team's star players are in the game... when they tire out, Jordan also goes out. Scoring against them is the hard part. He get's it done. The other players can handle the rest. Coach Jackson is a master. Why? Because Jordan plays almost every single game of the season... Lebron only plays a few. Who's showing more Longevity? Jordan will burn out because he's not on vacation for more than half of the season like Lebron, so he leaves when the opposing star players leave the court, & comes on when they do. :)