LED ZEPPELIN & THE MUDSHARK - The Truth is Far More Shocking!!

This is perhaps the most shocking story in the Led Zeppelin biography and is all part of that groupie scene in the 1960s. This is what REALLY happened.
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[@mikemiller865]

Disgusting and degrading. No justification.

[@andrewmacdonald3667]

I’ve always liked that Christgau line about Led Zep - ‘The inconvenient paradox of good music happening to bad people’.

[@wilhelmhagberg4897]

It’s a good line if you accept the premise that LZ made good music!

[@steverickenbacher7110]

Christgau knew sh*t about music! And besides, if you limited your listening to musicians who are saints, you'd have nothing to listen to. Miles Davis, arguably the best and most influential American musician of the 20th century, was known to be a major a-hole. Yet, I listen to no artists more than him and his dozens of "sons".

[@andrewmacdonald3667]

@@steverickenbacher7110 Well, you’ve got one thing in common with Christgau - you both like Miles.

[@steverickenbacher7110]

@@andrewmacdonald3667 Even a broken clock is right twice a day. All the nonsense about Led Zeppelin aside, Christgau's best review was calling GTR's album "SH*T". And let's make one thing perfectly clear,. Miles was a genius and he had/has millions of admirers. That being said, I'm almost sure that the only Miles album Christgau would have known was "Bitches Brew".

[@andrewmacdonald3667]

@@steverickenbacher7110 Okay, I get it. You don’t like Christgau. But to say he only knows about Bitches Brew is incorrect. There are 25 Miles reviews on his website. And jazz was an early love. He used to go and see Coleman and Coltrane in New York. I don’t always agree with him. That would be impossible. But he’s put me onto a lot of good stuff and I enjoy his prose regardless.

[@jayrdee8542]

Lest we forget Jimmy Page's 13 year old 'girlfriend' in 1973.

[@victorhawkins3461]

"What Kind of Girl Do You Think We Are?" is, of course, the song that follows "The Mud Shark" on the fantastic Mothers 1971 album. Do with that what you will...

[@classicalbum]

It is a great Zappa album... Hope you are well , Victor and still listening to some great music

[@robertorick6383]

That's Zappa in a nutshell. Always wanted to challenge his critics and fans with offensive subjects. After his 1993 death, RYKO discs issued a CD collection titled "Have I Offended Anyone?", a compilation of Frank's most offensive/suggestive songs.

[@kenfrederick6223]

I didn't know that Batman was the manager of Vanilla Fudge.

[@63mckenzie]

Pot, booze and boredom are a dangerous combination.

[@17nussbaumroad]

Smack and coke not pot !

[@63mckenzie]

@@17nussbaumroad Oh, were you there? Do tell all.

[@coltseavers6298]

You forgot to add - youth.

[@17nussbaumroad]

@@63mckenzie Nope ! But I`m friends with someones father that was in the room !

[@mattrogers1946]

​@63mckenzie Probably not even born. Just regurgitating something he saw some other fool posted on the interwebs...

[@toybarons]

Soon as I saw "The Mudshark" I just knew. There have been so many ways this story has been told, of who was involved and what happened. I think Carmine Appice's story is closest to the truth. It is good to know that no known tape or photos exist.

[@kleemusic546]

Basically, it is a tale of a young woman - age unknown - being abused.

[@davidtoups4684]

Zappa refers to this again in the song "Nanook Rubs It" from the Aposrophe album: "hereupon I proceeded to take that mitten full of the deadly Yellow Snow Crystals, and rub it all into his beady little eyes. With a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people in this area, but destined to take the place of THE MUD SHARK in your mythology"

[@MultiPetercool]

…here it comes now, Rub It! 👍

[@nickm8494]

@@MultiPetercool Strictly commerciaaal!

[@thekivster]

When Flo & Eddie were in his band they did a whole song about it I’m pretty sure.

[@geoffboycat8906]

The mud-shark story is to rock music what the 'Aristocrats' joke is to stand-up comedy: everyone tells it slightly differently.

[@baron_von_brunk]

Weird timing, I just finished watching a video about the behind the scenes of JAWS.

[@robison5396]

This takes depravity and entitlement to a whole new level..i've never been enamoured or wowed by this kind of rock n roll excess..it's utter bullshit ... just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

[@OutOnTheTiles]

It sounds like a good time to me.👍

[@alancrisp1582]

​@@OutOnTheTiles👍 And me, after all she went back for more more !...

[@yinoveryang4246]

Mick Walls biography strongly suggests that tour manager Richard Cole (the primary and most repellent perpetrator by the sound of it, and possibly the instigator of the mudshark incident). From what I remember, Wall after his research points the finger at Cole and a few shady characters he brought on board, for creating the creepy and violent atmosphere that marred the band's later days and contributed to their downfall. I think in truth is it's more of a Richard Cole story, than a Zeppelin story. Think I'm right in in saying that Cole fabricated many stories in a cash-in book, which left both Plant and Page furious and feeling betrayed. Plant even remarked, "Farewell Ricardo... sadly no more tall tales...." when Cole died in 2021

[@scottbubb2946]

Definitely, when Richard Cole tells all these stories, he tends to take a lot of credit for things and paint himself bigger than life. However, the guys in the band have all said, "Don't listen to Cole, he lies about everything." So you know there has to be some truth to the stories.🤣

[@yinoveryang4246]

@@scottbubb2946 No you don't

[@stpcassidy]

I fear future revelations will expose yet more depravity as artists from that era begin thinning out in the coming years ahead.

[@wendiwonderly1419]

Mick Fleetwood once said he was glad they had two female co workers to answer to and that he didn’t have something like this on his conscience

[@Zagneek]

He’s always struck me as a real gentleman

[@wendiwonderly1419]

@@Zagneek he said that black in the day they had some girlfriends on the road. He was gallant enough to call them girlfriends. He said there were no hotel rooms full of naked teenagers and he was glad they had 2 female co workers to answer to. It appears some lines couldn’t and shouldn’t be crossed

[@MikeGervasi]

And Richard Cole said "Here's a Red Snapper for your snapper"

[@maxsonthonax1020]

Hmm. Not sure this retelling was sufficiently dignified either.

[@handebarlas6248]

My thoughts exactly. I'm just stopping to watch this right now actually.

[@michaelbaucom4019]

ROFLMAO at the " finding Nemo " line. Thanks, I needed to laugh

[@TheVirus-pr8zw]

She's the female Troy McClure. Nowadays, "mudshark" has another meaning, which is what I thought this was going to be about. I figured I'd better watch it before KZbin takes it down 🤣🤣🤣

[@allthingsclassicrock]

Nice reference! I instantly heard Phil Hartman in my head lol.

[@pkats9093]

Wow. That was disturbing, disgusting, and degrading. Absolute disdain for humanity in general. WTF As a father with two daughters, like you, my stomach was churning listening to this.

[@mattrogers1946]

Lighten up and don't believe everything you see or read on the interwebs...

[@wilhelmhagberg4897]

What is that supposed to mean? Should we take it with a smile when people are being sexually exploited by entitled monsters?

[@OutOnTheTiles]

My god relax weirdo 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@eltorpedo67]

@@wilhelmhagberg4897 She didn't seem to mind.

[@eltorpedo67]

@@mattrogers1946 this story was well documented well before the interwebs existed. Pretty sure this isn't the worst thing that's ever happened on the road, but then again, there was no shortage of willing participants back then.

[@user-mo3wx8ut4t]

I must tell you, that your just better then anyone else at this. Absolutely incredible stuff.

[@anachronistofer]

I wasn't going to watch this one based on the title and image, but my darker curiosity took over. I wish I hadn't now. I can't un-know this, even if rumor or exaggerated. Ugh. I hope Barry returns to reviewing the music and avoids this tabloid fodder.

[@peterrebhahn1113]

I've heard this event alluded to before but have never heard it described in such detail. I believe it happened. I believe that there are a good many aging rockers who break out in a cold sweat over things they did in their youth that would have been and were laughed off then but now would be received quite differently. And some of those things would be legally actionable today. By the way, if you're up for another such video how about one on the 'billboard incident' in the marketing campaign for the Stones's "Black and Blue" album -- including what Sir Jagger said when he was asked about it. That's another questionable moment in Rock history that would go down very differently today

[@seed_drill7135]

Didn’t a 16 year old girl OD and die at Don Henley’s house?

[@chicklets4ever51]

Now you've piqued our interest!

[@pinsticker]

You’ve really been struggling for content recently, Barry. I shudder to think what you’ll drag up next. Top Ten Devil Worshippers perhaps?

[@keithfarrelly3869]

Please, do not go down this line of podcasting, Classic album review/Barry

[@JohnChandler-hh2dm]

Listening to the story made me go put on the Mud Shark by Frank Zappa. His story agree’s with yours.

[@AlmostEthical]

It seems like there were two or three psychopaths in that crew, dragging some easily lead young blokes along for a corrupting ride. Sad for the girl, and for the poor shark. There were a few rock stars who engaged in public animal cruelty back then. It's just bullying weaker creatures. Hopefully they have grown up enough to regret it now.

[@terryasheim9038]

A few years before this story The Beatles fished out the window at this very hotel.

[@richardgrant418]

Some have said the video was in bad taste The events were VERY bad taste, but relating the story would only be in bad taste- IF - it was told in an excited or sensationalist way - which Barry did not do - especially if Barry did not say the events were in bad taste. Which he did Ergo, the video is not bad taste, it’s simply the full story on an infamous little set of events (In some ways much the same as retelling Nazi atrocities isn’t in bad taste ) Barry - much appreciated, well done

[@user-hy6yq4uk8e]

knew about the mudshark follies, but not the Richard Cole dump. Now that's disgusting.

[@drtopus]

Wow! Didn't know that story... Over the top and sad.

[@RubUOutC]

Love the Quo tee. Where’d you find that one, Barry?

[@HieronymousCheese]

Well John Paul Jones has gone down in my estimation. There's really no excuse for bad manners.

[@mightyV444]

Yeah. And whenever I see photos of Zed Leppelin now (which for some reason happens every time I'm on IG), I straight away think "Mudshark" and cringe 😏

[@billbez7465]

This is an example of why a person shouldn't idolize, or even respect, 95% of all famous rock musicians. Enjoy their music, but tell them to 'stick-it' when it comes to lifestyle, politics, and wisdom.

[@robertorick6383]

Not just rock stars like Zeppelin and Vanilla Fudge, but WWE founder Vince McMahon, too. He did some crazy shit with his female employees, and there was some homosexual abuse with some of his male employees, particularly through gay referee/booker Pat Patterson, who was involved with dozens of gay/straight male wrestlers. Pat died a few years back, so he can't tell his side of the story. Then, of course there were the exploits of Harvey Wienstien and Bill Cosby. At least they never messed around with mud sharks, even though their nasty behavior is unexcusable.

[@scottrap]

I thought Bonham was involved as well? I read Richard Cole’s book a while back. Supposedly Bonzo was catching tons of fish from his bedroom window and just throwing them in the closet. When the cleaning lady opened the door, they all descended upon her and she was mortified.

[@balthazor44]

That's the first problem: you read Richard Cole's book. Probably best to regard anything coming from Cole as fiction unless reality proves otherwise.

[@mattrogers1946]

The band dismissed Hammer Of The Gods as "rubbish" and this apocryphal tale falls into the same category.

[@scottrap]

⁠@@mattrogers1946the book I was referring to is “Stairway To Heaven”

[@mattrogers1946]

@@balthazor44 I wholeheartedly agree!

[@sspbrazil]

Funny, I have the same feelings as you about this stuff from that era because I am 57 and I have a 16 year old daughter, it now makes me cringe.

[@Williamottelucas]

I remember once wondering about that line of Zappa's. Well, now I know. (in a little too much detail)

[@geodogg07]

Thanks for the fish tale (or tail).

[@donnydarko2100]

It’s an ancient story. Inspiring, if that’s the right word, Zappa’s monologue on Live in LA - the smut fest that it is.

[@snowqueen_8958]

I remember hearing this on a nsfl iceburg and it's wow...

[@Hasil2]

There is no way it was a mudshark, it would have torn her to pieces. The whole story is revolting and degrading. I don’t see why you did this video. Maybe a follow up on the stories we know are true about Plant and Page and their barely pubescent baby groupie girlfriends. Led Zeppelin were a band that always made my skin crawl.

[@stuarthecht8196]

I've been hearing bits and pieces of this story for decades, and I do believe Carmine Appice. Although I'm a huge Zeppelin fan, I'm sad that this girl was degradated. It's way beyond a groupie giving sexual favors- they took advantage of her good nature with unnecessary and disturbing treatment.

[@zodiac6968]

I have also been reading about this incident for many years but this is the first time i have heard the bit about the shitting and the pissing.

[@Krommer1000]

Yup. I read about it in the book "Hammer of the Gods", and all the same details in their as well.

[@monkface]

I actually worked at the Edgewater hotel for a few months in 1994. No one ever spoke of this. I don't say that as if it's not a true story, just that we didn't discuss it!

[@seed_drill7135]

There’s a tape of Zappa interviewing an employee about things found in the tubs at the Inn, but from the 70’s.

[@mightyV444]

Yikes! That's got to be the worst of those kinds of stories I've ever heard in my 54 years long life! 😳 It's proof to me of what the Devil is capable of doing, if people invite him in via enough drugs and alcohol 😬

[@russelljdj]

I'm just wondering... is the date correct? I only inquire because in Frank Zappa's Nanook Rubs it, he mentions the circular motion was bound to take the place of the mudshark in your mythology. And didn't We're Only In It For The Money come out in early 1968. Maybe Frank had a premonition. Enjoy your videos. Stay well.

[@leejohnson3209]

I think the world has moved on now, the stories used to be rock n roll legend. These days they're rightly just seen as decedent excess and debauchery at best, sexual abuse/violence and child molestation at worst. Rock stars used to give a nod and a wink and a cheeky smile when asked about the veracity and details, now they are probably best advised to stipulate the interview stays well clear of the subject.

[@evelyneverettgreen]

Said the man using that flag. How appropriate

[@leejohnson3209]

@@evelyneverettgreen stop being all racisty!

[@stevensprouse2449]

I've listened to that Zappa album (Filmore East June 1971) at least 100 times. Flo and Eddy (formerly of The Turtles) are hilarious in this. I never knew a. if the story was true and b. that Zeppelin was involved. Why doesn't that surprise me? Thanks.

[@PeterTea]

Well if Carmine Apice said it then you know it’s true.

[@noone-cf2zo]

well said

[@gerryrafferty7500]

Is this anything to do with the line in apostrophe by frank Zappa “ destined to take the place the mud shark in your mythology “

[@djacobmadrigal]

I’m not going to watch this video. If it offers more than what Davis’ Hammer of the Gods has to say, I’ll pass like a quarterback on 3rd and long. See you for your next video. Cheers.

[@robertorick6383]

Not only did Frank Zappa heard about the mudshark incident, but he also questioned Alice Cooper about the chicken slaughtering event at one of Alice's 1969 concerts. Frank supposedly asked Alice "Did you strangle that chicken", and Alice said "No, the fans did when I threw it back to the rabid audience, thinking it would fly away." Frank then said "Don't tell anyone about that, that makes for good press." It 's interesting that Jimmy and Robert were not present at this infamous incident.

[@DavePocklington]

I'd seen an interview, unfortunately I can't remember where. That said it was actually a red snapper. That the girl had red hair, with jokes being made about a red snapper meets a red snatch. This is more believable because the mud shark, has spines near its dorsal fin with which, when attacked, it will arch its back elevating these spines, which then secrete a poison. I don't see even the most kinky of girls being too happy with this development.

[@earlgrey691]

Ignorance of matters piscatorial would be highly likely under those debauched/adrenalised condktions l suspect ?

[@stevecowder4774]

The hideous events that go on behind the scenes. Some things are just better left unknown.

[@earlgrey691]

I Imagine a Marilyn Manson post-gig would be much more unsavory.

[@scottbubb2946]

Man, I have read SO MANY conflicting stories about this particular occurrence; including two descriptions from Richard Cole which don't jibe. 🤣 I've heard people say they were there, when they weren't and vice versa. No one can seem to agree on any of the events, or even what type of fish was allegedly used. Then, there are some that claim none of it ever happened. But, you know what they say, "If you remember it, you must not have been there."

[@stephenthomas6475]

Fish , drugs and rock n roll !!

[@wilhelmhagberg4897]

I’m sad I ever had to hear that story… I could definitely be entertained by a tale of depravity and fish paraphilia, but this sounds very much like a group rape/sexual abuse situation. Disgusting people, and Zappa too if he found this to be humorous.

[@robertorick6383]

Zappa found a lot of offensive stuff humorous. After listening to "The Mud Shark", there's also "Billy The Mountain", which is just as equally offensive. Frank did anything to annoy or anger authority figures or politicians he couldn't stand.

[@adamfindlay7091]

Zappa has a few of these moments in his repitoir. But i think rockers are a tenth the decadence that policy makers get up to.

[@jblassio]

Was that what Moby Dick was about? No wonder the lyrics are so hard to understand…🎣🤣🤣🤣

[@ozuidema]

“A new meaning to Finding Nemo” 😂😂😂

[@tdunph4250]

Unfortunately Barry, it was just one of those moments in time of complete and utter debachery that "you just had to be there" for.

[@DAGDRUM53]

To compound the most grotesque chapter in the Zeppelin storybook is Carmine Appice, a great drummer but an unreliable narrator extraordinaire. Did all the fishy business happen? It is highly likely. But, for me, what takes the bang out of the story is three of the Zeppelin wives were in the room at Seattle's Edgewater Inn with the band where the mudshark incident happened. They were laughing with everyone else because Zep's wives partied just as hard as their husbands, if the boys were smoking and drinking, so were the girls. Two nights after Zep opened for Three Dog Night in Seattle (May 11 1969: day of the shark) the band's next stop was Honolulu (May 13). In the early days Peter Grant would fly the band wives in so they could enjoy a short Hawaiian vacation, they were in Seattle to fly out the next day. If you've seen the famous picture of Zeppelin performing outdoors next to a swimming pool that is the Seattle venue. Also if you've ever seen pictures of the band posed on an airport tarmac in Honolulu with leis around their necks, holding boxes of tape reels (LZII masters, they were recording/overdubbing in studios on the road!) you've probably seen the photo of Plant posing with his wife Maureen on the tarmac too because she'd flown in from the west coast with him.

[@robertorick6383]

Peter Grant was an ex-wrestler and bar room bouncer before he became Zeppelin's manager, and he was known to be pretty brutal to fans as well. If he caught a Zeppelin fan bootlegging their material at a concert, he would be known to beat them to a pulp.

[@GormlyKeep]

Richard Cole's book tells a different story (obvs). Most of the book is him explaining that he didn't steal the takings

[@simoncroston4581]

I don’t believe it was a mud shark, have you seen the size of one of those things …and the teeth.

[@user-qb1sm3rk9r]

This story is pretty tame compared to the activities of a lot of other bands. Even Kiss did more outrageous things.

[@danielrobinson5035]

Whats next ? The Rod Stewart stomach pumped story ? Sheesh.

[@deanstanley5799]

Fantastic T shirt 👌👌

[@user-fv8dw1zl8y]

It's all fun and games until someone takes a dump.

[@user-xy8df8in7k]

I was always lead to believe the fish in the fishy incident was a red snapper 😂

[@zitherzon2121]

"He said "mudshark " He. he he." A comment from the US cartoon "Beavis and Butthead." (Just my theory. Sorry.)

[@piripi40]

I remember Ian Anderson saying in an interview that Led Zep would show him photos of their night time japes… ugh.

[@wallypinter7883]

I usually enjoy your channel Barry but thought this was a case of "Too much information ". Basically beneath you if I were to be frank.

[@stflaw]

I stayed at the Edgewater in the early 90s, this event in mind the whole time.

[@17nussbaumroad]

That place rocks.. been there about 5 times .

[@sadossolutions8222]

The version I read of had Robert Plant and his wife there as well.

[@robertorick6383]

One story from Carmine Appice was that Page and Plant were not present at the mud shark incident, but Bonzo Bonham most certainly was.

[@foreverpinkf.7603]

That is as disgusting as ridiculous.

[@flyingvee1000]

I like the Quo "heads down" T-shirt.

[@jefferysteen1041]

What was Jimmy Page doing?I didn't hear his name mentioned once!

[@classicalbum]

Carmine Appice never even mentioned. Maybe he wasn't there

[@davidtoups4684]

Heroin, if I had to guess.

[@peterrfowler16]

Girls that Jimmy had a hankering for were usually in bed by 8pm.

[@Sir_William_Marshal]

Page was not there at the time, neither was Plant

[@zodiac6968]

@@davidtoups4684 That was much later.

[@markshulusky6680]

That thumbnail! It's like the mudflap girl, but... different.

[@antalantal2366]

They believed themselves to be demigods : those were the seventies, those were rockstars. Sad but true... CA looks like a silent accomplice though...

[@winstonsyme5899]

Silent accomplice? He wrote the story and bragged about having a front row seat?

[@antalantal2366]

@@winstonsyme5899 Silent during the sad facts, but very talkative afterwards: money is money

[@robertorick6383]

It took place in 1969, so it was close to the seventies.

[@tedmallar4049]

this sad episode of rock history clearly shows that the excesses of boredom are the result of a cronic case of constipation of the imagination ~ 😈

[@DanielMcGrath1969]

Did you say you are 50! No way! I'm 54 and look 20 years younger.

[@AbigailJrney-1]

Did that girl bring any legal action against those guys? Apparantly she enjoyed the whole thing! Now I don't want to doubt your telling it, but when a story is told over and over, and over sometimes the storyline changes.

[@greenatom]

There was a story that Frank Zappa once took a dump onstage and then ate it. That wasn't true either.

[@zitherzon2121]

True story, wrong guy: GG Allin

[@greenatom]

@@zitherzon2121 It was going around about Zappa before GG Alin was a thing. I think it was also said about Alice Cooper.

[@ericbgordon1575]

Why is it my instinct that it was strictly Zappa's invention and that the Vanilla Fudge members were only trying to capitalize on Frank's legend by attaching themselves to the story?

[@colleen113]

I have read about this incident in various books etc. I always assumed the shark was dead and you are saying the shark was flailing between her legs, does this mean it was alive? Puts a whole new visual on it!

[@godzuka]

Mudsharknado....

[@stabbrzmcgee825]

I always figgered it was just normal zappa nonsense. too bizarre to believe.

[@robertorick6383]

Zappa loved to offend people, especially authority figures, so I believe he would think the mud shark incident to be funny.

[@SH-ud8wd]

There is an interview with Robert Plant where he admits the story, isn't it?

[@Sir_William_Marshal]

I think Plant said that it happened but I dont believe he was there at the time

[@17nussbaumroad]

Plant was not there .

[@MikePhillips-pl6ov]

Doesn't he?

[@Driver2616]

Isn’t it what?

[@robertorick6383]

@@MikePhillips-pl6ov No, he and Jimmy Page were not there. Carmine Appice insisted this was true. Bonham and John Paul Jones, on the other hand, were there.

[@gwimbly519]

Stay classy Zeppelin

[@winstonsyme5899]

And Vanilla Fudge? Or do you give them a pass?

[@gwimbly519]

@@winstonsyme5899 I'd be lying if i said i know who they are

[@maxsonthonax1020]

​@@gwimbly519 Excellent.

[@wilhelmhagberg4897]

It’s an excellent band that more or less invented heavy metal. Hard to like them after this revelation though.

[@jussiniemi9560]

I've heard many different versions of what ACTUALLY happened, let's hear this one too.

[@user-fr4bz5pe2j]

Like Zep for their entertainment value not as a moral guide for life.

[@martinradcliffe4798]

Most edifying....

[@17nussbaumroad]

Here we go again, the truth will never come out about this ! If you want to know ask Bonzo or Richard. I asked Jason about it ,he he know`s a little more then I did . Thats what he told me at least !

[@mattrogers1946]

Richard Cole died in 2021, as the book he wrote was dismissed by the band as rubbish.

[@peterdelaney7061]

@@mattrogers1946 Might just mean that it's true then

[@Three-Chord-Trick]

So, to get this clear - Frank Zappa wrote a song, and a legend was constructed around it?

[@robertorick6383]

Zappa did that to offend on purpose. He offended people for amusement and enjoyment. Anything to make politicians/feminists/hippies/right wingers/Tipper Gore pissed off.

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

I can imagine how embellished this story has become. I believe about 30% of it

[@arthurfarrow]

But what became of the poor fish?

[@mk-cx7ov]

Fini

[@Jsixseven]

The poor thing probably suffocated!

[@winstonsyme5899]

Strange. Why is Led Zeppelin getting slammed in this post, when a member of Vanilla Fudge wrote about it and participated?

[@classicalbum]

I think it was the young lady that got slammed

[@ellebrook3413]

I think there'd be fewer clicks if it were titled "Vanilla Fudge, some tour managers and the Mudshark"...anyhow it's a disgusting, but notorious rock (urban) legend and he took the time to read and highlight Carmine's book so we wouldn't have to, but I'm guessing it also includes a chapter where he tells of how he taught Bonham everything he knew, cos Carmine trots that out on every occasion. He probably invented the plane and the internet as well.

[@maxsonthonax1020]

​@@classicalbum Hmm.

[@robertorick6383]

@@ellebrook3413 Bonzo was crazy when he was drunk and high; that's why he had an early end in 1980 after drinking 40 shots of whiskey. I'm not surprised. Bonzo was a great drummer, but like Keith Moon, he could get pretty fucked up.

[@brandon1351]

Jeeeeeeesus what a story. Goddamn!

[@keithparker1346]

Is Babyshark a retelling of this incident?

[@frankcarter6427]

led zep, gary glitter, jimmy savile - same tribe

[@MikePhillips-pl6ov]

Not really.

[@frankcarter6427]

@@MikePhillips-pl6ov yep - really

[@alancrisp1582]

Nonsense. This was consensual, she knew what she was doing !....

[@robertorick6383]

Also, Harvey Weinstien, Bill Cosby, C.K. Lewis, John Kricfalusi, Marylin Manson, Vince McMahon, Donald Trump, Jeffery Epstien-All have been accused of sexual misconducts.