A better Desktop for Raspberry Pi 5?

[@jyvben1520]

keeping the desktop the same makes it easier for education, the older guides still apply !

[@Corialtavi]

liked and already subscribed. Just waiting for my pi 5 to arrive, unfortunately for me dithered & ordered a few hours after the time limit for the Nov , Dec deliveries. Really interested in uses for the PCI-E slot

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

Absolutely, the PCI-E slot makes the Pi very viable as a router with a second Ethernet interface, or a converter card that lets you add more storage that isn't just USB3 based. However "Wacky Jeff" and his experiments with PCI-E GPUs on the Pi are completely pointless, and just there for him to shill for more views. There's no practical reason to do that when you can buy a used 3rd or 4th generation Core i5 or i7 PC with an in-built PCI-E slot and enough of a PSU to power it for the same money as the Pi. Correct me if I am wrong but there are four reasons to choose a Pi over another more "traditional" PC platform - portability, size, low power consumption and GPIO - and "Wacky Jeff" trashed three of those with his GPU ideas that have no relevance to what anyone does in the real world when solving practical computing problems.

[@Kw1161]

Thanks Lee, I hope that KDE will be available when it is officially released. Have a great day!

[@MrMorokiatt]

This man does a good job explaining, in plain English.

[@helloken]

I don't know why but I've always liked the idea of KDE. I've also preferred it when I tried it over a decade ago over Gnome back when it was still on version 3.x. I haven't used Linux extensively at all but, I just like KDE...weird. Turns out it's pretty good so yeah, it works out for me. As for the video, just some constructive criticism here I wasn't always sure what OS or Pi you were using, you had to really pay attention to what you were saying. A quick overlay may have helped although I understand that increases the complexity of the edit. No a huge deal probably, but would of been helpful as I didn't catch you switching from Pi4 / KDE to Pi5 with Gnome (I think this is what you did...?) Until I replayed the video to try to figure out what you were using. Finally, I had no idea what H.264ify existed! I downloaded it IMMEDIATELY. My cpu is old and only accelerates AVC and pretty sure it cannot even do HEVC let alone AV1 or VP8/9. I spent a huge amount of time on KZbin, more than I care to admit, and this is just going to save me so much heat, fan noise, and even a few pennies or so on my electricity bill no doubt. No idea why I didn't look into this before as I'm handy enough with basic computer stuff like this. TIL.

[@dialogue62]

Oooh, I like this suggestion. Something like a sports scroll at the top or bottom of the screen. "Now playing: Bookworm64/Gnome on RPi4 shooting 4k@60. Score: Chrome 3 / Firefox 1" Then Leeps jumps in with the sport-like commentary, "Oh no, there are packets falling all over the court. Yes, the referee is giving the Firefox player the yellow card, but the crowd is not happy with the call. Not at all! They had the whole off season to work on their video presentation and if this is the best they can do... yes, it looks like the audience is calling for an ejection. Well, that's the game boys. Come back next week to see who will be taking on Chrome next!"

[@nandakishor287]

with using gnome extension and all the desktop can be made stunning

[@mrxmgs3768]

I love GNOME!

[@writer9999]

Hi which microsd did you use, is some premium version required or you just used a regular one, like rad/write speeds.

[@leepspvideo]

Great performance from a micro SD card! Raspberry Pi 5 kzbin.info/www/bejne/aqnadGmshq1-p8k

[@adrianmares269]

Have you tried to install zram on the pi 5 yet? Really curious on how it may work out.

[@bern047]

I don't think Lee knows how to install zram

[@nikobellic570]

Isn't that recommended for low ram computers? The new pi5 at 4gb and 8gb of ram probably doesn't need zram

[@leepspvideo]

I don’t think they need it as the have reasonable ram sizes Raspberry Pi Zero 2W. First time setup. Far better performance with Zram. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIvOl6iMrt6Vf9k Pi news 47. Huge Raspberry Pi! Zswap, improve 64bit os on a 2GB Pi. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIqnoYmdeKutobM

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

@@bern047 This isn't Windows that sucks up as much memory that you give it and then wants more. This is a proper Linux OS that focuses on speed and efficiency first, not on how much of your personal information it can steal. You newbies to Linux need to rid yourselves of the Windows mindset - you're out of the computer kindergarten now and in the real world with the big boys and girls.

[@nikobellic570]

Is there a big difference with playback between Firefox and chromium? I read both have been optimised and maybe firefox is slightly better

[@GeoStreber]

I'd love for Raspi OS to get a proper visual revamp at some point at the future.

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

Why? Do you just like "change for change's sake" or do you just get bored with your computing environment easily? Why not just theme it yourself? Run a different desktop or window manager if you want, there's plenty to choose from.

[@GeoStreber]

The raspberry Pi has always been an entry drug into the Linux world. Having a modern UI come with its default OS as a standard therefore makes a lot of sense, especially now that it's more than powerful enough to handle it. @@terrydaktyllus1320

[@qozia1370]

​@@terrydaktyllus1320no!

[@Roy_1]

XFCE would be nice

[@tubegor]

Thanks, it's good to know that something like this is possible, but I like Raspberry Pi OS as it is clear and very pleasant and without bells and whistles and hope that it stays that way in the future. Of course it's a matter of taste.

[@peterloader974]

Right on!

[@bokami3445]

You read my mind. I was going to ask if you could test Gnome on the PI5 :-)

[@jng-tz8em]

Have you compared the Pi5 with Mele J4125 fanless PC? How is the desktop experience? Power consumption?

[@leepspvideo]

I haven’t

[@azbesthu]

Funny thing, they removed h264 hw acceleration from Pi5, so the cpu must do all the decoding work, but the gpu probably can draw it with hw acceleration with wayland. Pi4 had h264 hw decoding, but the X11 desktop was not able to draw it out with HW acceleration. So they sabotaged smooth youtube playback. I will never understand this. H264 hw decoding with wayland hw drawing would be able to play desktop youtube without any issue.

[@nikobellic570]

Will have to check CPU usage whilst KZbin is playing. Seeing how the software decoding of h264 is going. Maybe the browser is slowing playback down too

[@keithmiller9665]

I will have to check out if this is correct, I hope not. I use ffmpeg for transcoding and I have used hw v4l2m2m. I haven’t used v4l2m2m on the Pi4 for more than 1 year. I quite liked omx hw support until they removed it but I heard omx support was fragile.

[@azbesthu]

@@nikobellic570 If wayland is available for Pi4 4-8GB variants, it would be funny to see better youtube performance with the old sbc :D Although pi4 hw 264 is limited to full hd.

[@ronaldhofman1726]

Use Ubuntu 23.10 on RPI 5 with a NEO 5 case with NVME SSD, is fast., installed Kodi also works fine

[@coderkind]

What minimum size Micro SD would you use for the Pi (5) and would Class 10 ones take full advantage of the Pi 5's faster SD card read speeds?

[@leepspvideo]

Minimum 32GB look for A2 Great budget storage for Raspberry Pi. 17 SD cards speed test. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXyYao2iYrGkhcU

[@coderkind]

@@leepspvideothanks for replying!

[@shirakawamaseru]

I was thinking about getting an Pi 5 and this Video showed me, this is not the right thing for me. Raspberry Pi OS is outdated and way too limiting. But its the only choice if you want full Hardware Support. For the price of an Pi 5 you can get an SoC Celeron Mini-ITX Board like the Biostar J4125NHU that runs every OS that you can run on an x86 CPU and it does that so much faster. The only advantage of an Pi 5 is its insanely small form factor but the price (in terms of performance) is way to high for me. If you really have so much space to archive your goal, the Pi 5 is perfect, but if you want to use it as an Desktop, for the same price, there are just so many better choices that don't limit you to outdated OS with sluggish performance

[@leepspvideo]

I wouldn’t agree that the J4125 runs every os much faster. Check out the benchmarks www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_celeron_j4125-vs-raspberry_pi_5_b_broadcom_bcm2712 X86 does have more traditional support than Arm although do you think everything will work on these boards? I haven’t tried one, so I’m not judging. I used this J4125 regularly until recently getting sent several faster mini PC’s. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJndhqJso9WiipYsi=QyGc2QnuuUfXNeip

[@shirakawamaseru]

​@@leepspvideoin benchmarks, the Pi is faster, that is true. But I can open several browser tabs without slowdowns in the Celeron where the Pi can barely handle one. Somehow these benchmarks do not translate into real world Performance at all. They test very specific corner cases that barely matter on a desktop system. Sure there will be cases where the Pi is able to outperform it for a few seconds or minute (into the Board turns into an frying pan, even with the cooler, and so limiting the power) but I doubt that they are relevant on an desktop system. But yes, Mini PCs are significantly better. I just built my own with a MiniITX board, Ryzen 7 5700G and 64GB RAM for roughly 480€ and I can use this setup for easily 10 years which is a much better investing. I built this one to replace my old FX-8150 I built roughly 13 years ago after a capacitor on the Mainboard blew up. And that setup was insanely fast to the last day. So in the long run they are faster and cheaper than an Pi. An Pi is, imho, an very bad Desktop replacement. If you double the price of an Pi5 setup, you already have the money for an Ryzen 5 setup

[@leepspvideo]

Not sure where you are getting the information on web browser performance? It’s absolutely not true. Even the 4GB Pi 5 can have many tabs open with decent performance. If you don’t want a Pi 5 that’s fine. We are fortunate to have many choices.@@shirakawamaseru

[@shirakawamaseru]

@@leepspvideo You can see the sluggish performance in your own Video. If you use Chrome (with its ton of bugs and issues on Wayland, especially when using ibus) is bearable but not good. If you use Firefox, you're fighting to get even one tab properly running. Just look at your own video how slow everything loads.

[@andrasbiro6604]

I was wondering if the new pi can be a client for a sunshine-moonlight combo with 1440p 120fps, can it do 120Hz output? the pi 4 could do that but only for 1080p if i remember correctly

[@leepspvideo]

Not sure about 120hz try the official specs www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-5/

[@SP95]

Do you still need to activate wayland afterwards ? I thought it would finally become default on the new OS

[@leepspvideo]

This is gnome with wayland

[@SproutyPottedPlant]

KDE plasma looks delicious, I want to eat it 😅 but I do like to run my programs in Raspberry Pi OS, it’s familiar like an old friend 😊👍

[@tafkawac]

@leepspvideo - Is the usb power issue fixed? can you plug devices/ hdds into all 4 usbs without it crashing?

[@leepspvideo]

I believe so when used with the new 5V 5A power supply. Which I haven’t got yet, it’s why I’m using a powered usb hub

[@tutacat]

*Meta/Super key Window snapping is probably disabled in your Gu-nome. Then it will only do maximise or left/right side snapping.

[@SickGambit]

I use the raspberry pi 400 as my main computer as it works well with my drawing tablet and krita, gimp, etc. I use a computer for work therefore a raspberry pi works perfect for me, in terms of OS I prefer openSUSE but it is still very unstable on raspberry pi so I changed to raspberry pi OS, I like the look and feel of it but one thing that it made me change to xfce4 was the fact that the window decorations and changing the window buttons didn't work well.

[@little_forest]

You showed how to start Gnome shell, but how do you install it? Or do you want to imply, that it is already installed with RP-OS?

[@leepspvideo]

The early beta software is different to the final release version. I’ll do tutorials when the software is ready and people start getting their Pi 5s at the end of October

[@little_forest]

@@leepspvideo Well, no offence, but then this video becomes a bit pointless, since you will show again the exact same thing in the according tutorial when you show how to install Gnome + the actual installing.

[@leepspvideo]

@@little_forest the method will change as it’s not that straightforward in the beta version.

[@little_forest]

@@leepspvideo Let's put it like that: I did not gain any information from this video. I did not learn how to install the Gnome DE on RP-OS (cause you cannot shot that yet, cause beta software and so on and that will be part of a future video). I also did not see, what the exact performance of the Gnome DE on RP5 with the new RP-OS is, for the same reason as above. With knowledge I have about how Gnome perfoms on RP4 and about all the benchmarks of the new RP5 it was obvious that the Gnome DE will work pretty much smooth on the RP5. So I did not need this information, but that seems to be the only information that I possibly could have gained from this video. If the video was supposed to tell me more that I did not get, please let me know.

[@waperboy]

Interesting, but it would be nice to know how to change to that desktop.

[@leepspvideo]

KDE Plasma is the most customisable My Linux setup Raspberry Pi 5 Part 2. KDE Plasma kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXWxd2CAlKiGppY

[@waperboy]

@@leepspvideo It works with KDE, but I get some strange desktop behavior on my ultrawide screen - app windows (and the "start menu") behave normally, but the wallpaper and taskbar are "compressed" to the left horizontally, as if the screen was physically 25% less wide, but with the same resolution, so the taskbar (and wallpaper) ends at a 4th of a screen width before the right edge of the screen (with horizontally squished text and icons). But the mouse interacts with it as if it was drawn correctly. SDDM login screen behaves correctly, though. KZbin performance was much worse with Firefox than with Chromium, and with Chromium the best performance with no lost frames is in full-screen. In windowed mode it drops some frame(s) every couple of seconds. Edit: Turns out it was the default 125% scaling that messed it up. Set scaling to 100% and reboot fixed the problem.

[@Doc_Hutch]

Have you tried XFCE on the pi 5?

[@leepspvideo]

Not yet

[@berner]

Isn't Gnome anti-customization though?

[@Andy-vj7gx]

What about Firefox performance?

[@leepspvideo]

I tested it once, didn’t seem as quick for me

[@Beyondesp]

Is there a way to show how to install gnome and then set it as the default gui for the latest pi 5 pi os (typing this in May 2024) . All i get when trying to search is old ways to do it pre -wayland os. -edit-- I would like to use ubuntu, but the argon case v3 works better with the default raspberry pi os so i just want to stick with running the pi os and just have a nicer shell on top of it.

[@leepspvideo]

I haven’t tried as I prefer KDE Plasma My Linux setup Raspberry Pi 5 part 3. KDE Plasma kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnnMXpyHfptrsLs

[@kamertonaudiophileplayer847]

Probably I will use RPi 10 for a desktop.

[@jojokokolo2121]

Can you test storage device speeds sd card vs m.2 over the new pcie vs usb to m.2?

[@leepspvideo]

I haven’t got the new pcie cable. I will do speed tests

[@tomaszobarski]

Could you show how to install steam and steam link on Raspberry Pi 5? RP os, Ubuntu, doesnt metter. Please. I trying for weeks.

[@leepspvideo]

I installed steam into Windows 10 and got a game running on Pi 5. Performance isn’t good. I may try with Linux on Pi 5 in a future video

[@Tailslol]

Hey, is there a way to install only the software center on raspberry pi os 64 bit?

[@leepspvideo]

Try sudo apt install plasma-discover Or sudo apt install discover

Is it possible to run the os in an m.2 drive on the pi 5 pci interface or do I need a hat or something?

[@leepspvideo]

You need a pcie adapter. Coming soon

[@anon_y_mousse]

You're braver than I. I've been using KDE for nearly as long as it's existed and every time I've tried GNOME I hated it. The WinKey bringing up that view would annoy me so much.

[@davidmarie]

So how do you get KDE as the desktop environment for Raspberry Pi OS?

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

You install it in Add / Remove Software, as he used in the video.

[@leepspvideo]

Its not so simple in the beta. But I may have a fix now

[@jeremyanderson441]

​@@leepspvideodoes KDE automatically shut off the compositor when playing games now or is that still an issue?

[@leepspvideo]

@@jeremyanderson441 I’m not sure I turned it off out of habit. I’m not worried about all the fancy wipe, fades and transitions

[@Crestex59]

How does kde plasma run on the pi 4?

[@leepspvideo]

Great, this is created on Pi 5 but works on Pi 4 My Linux setup Raspberry Pi 5 part 3. KDE Plasma kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnnMXpyHfptrsLs This playlist is all on Pi 4 KDE Plasma, 64bit Raspberry Pi OS. custom build downloads available. kzbin.info/aero/PLMJAjiTgBtFlz0j9xdQwNmLgqmaBscT1T

[@muddyexport5639]

Good luck on getting Plasma operational.

[@leepspvideo]

I have it working now. 👍🏻

[@TheBadFred]

Not really impressed by the RPi5 so far.

[@lee99bay]

🙋

[@RafaCoringaProducoes]

Lxqt+i3wm awaits you lee lol

[@adrianmares269]

First 🎉

[@AbraKadabra000]

KDE ONLY!!

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

Indeed, KDE only for people that like wasting precious RAM and CPU cycles on eye candy - just bloat like GNOME.

[@leepspvideo]

@@terrydaktyllus1320that’s me 👍🏼

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

@@leepspvideo If it works for you then who am I to say otherwise? But I come from "an earlier age" when the first computer that I connected to the Internet with was a Commodore Amiga A1200 running at 14 Mhz with 8 MB RAM over a dial-up modem with a web browser, some time around 1993. So I have learned to appeciate every CPU cycle and every byte of RAM!