Left 4 Dead 2 vs Back 4 Blood

[@HSTop]

0:00 EPIC INTRO 0:55 Pipe bomb 1:25 Molotov 1:45 Shotgun 1:52 AK-47 2:11 Deset Eagle 2:33 Axe 2:52 Machine gun 3:08 Propane tank 3:30 Gas can 3:43 Idiots 4:06 Rescuing 4:26 Bash 4:45 Birds 5:09 Car 5:45 Boomer vs Retch 6:16 Charger vs Crusher 6:37 Tank vs Ogre 7:34 Water physics 8:30 Flashlight 8:50 Bunnyhop 9:13 Lobby 9:59 Ending

[@gung-hogaming8386]

I love you

[@yacine10169]

I like your csgo vidz hehe

[@angelj.2051]

Nice Job

[@Gabriel-tc9gi]

LOVE YOUR VIDS!

[@benedictestearsenue3152]

Just seeing all characters from Left 4 Dead 2 are much powerful than characters at Back 4 Blood. Lol Just look how L4D2 characters use meelees or bash, how they powerful and priercing they are

[@jrac-gl3ku]

One thing I've noticed: L4D characters feel like genuine survivors, their dialogue always matches the situation they're in. B4B characters always try to sound badass or something. The entire time I kept thinking "why won't you stop talking".

[@SiisKolkytEuroo]

Imagine having to spend an actual zombie apocalypse in the company of that annoying woman from B4B who is always thinking of something "clever" or "funny" to say.

[@Sinstarclair]

@@SiisKolkytEuroo I'd honestly jump off the nearest skyscraper

[@coocoo_mcf]

Thank you, finally someone also mentioning the lack of actual interaction between characters. Most of B4B interaction are a simple 'quirky' one liner. Characters hardly even commented when teammates are down/died

[@q_q123]

it's like they don't even acknowledge they're in an apocalypse a world in chaos but just trying to think of what quirky things to say to sound interesting

[@OsnoloVrach]

that one time one of the B4B cast (dont know the character) started talking about her seeing her family get killed by zombies. OH MY GOD SHUT UP WE ARE LITERALLY TRYING TO KILL ZOMBIES

[@marcogc2913]

To me the characters in L4D is iconic, like Ellis telling random stories at the worst timing, Coach being the guy that tries to find food everywhere he goes. And their lines are also iconic snd funny.

[@ADHD_God5489]

Same with Nicks insults. They are funny and iconic but also offensive.

[@godofchickennugget4563]

Or Nick's line whenever witch is nearby : shhh sounds like my ex

[@ADHD_God5489]

@@godofchickennugget4563 Didn’t know he says that guess I haven’t played the game that long enough

[@HuskyWolf101]

L4D2 characters looks like normal peoples B4B characters is just like something that isn't impressive for a zombie-genre video game.

[@BrokenG-String]

Every voice line in left for dead makes me giggle while every voice line in back for blood makes me actually cringe

[@naah_man]

L4D2 is just so unique I feel like no game will ever give me the same feeling when I play it.

[@HSTop]

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[@WiltedMaple]

Yeah I cant blame you its been so good for so long but im very interested to see what the rest of B4B is like I dont mean I like it more than L4D2 100% its because its not fully released yet (Actually how did HS Top get into versus mode...?)

[@ikhwanzakyr4652]

@Ayden Tan steam stole wdym

[@stratoz321]

@@ikhwanzakyr4652 long time ago story, after TRS release L4D1, valve decide to make L4D2 with their preference to make best outcome, but TSR didnt like it. They feel end up like valve stole their Game. CMIIW

[@stratoz321]

I know TRS didnt like it, but i think that choice is the best for TRS itself.

[@aronamper7656]

L4d2 still has the crown -This game was made 13 years ago -The music makes the player really hyped up like the sound effects of a horde or the music effect on encountering a special zombie making it unique -Shows the environment what has happened very recently after the outbrake -Each character has its own unique personality -They focused at the gameplay first rather than the graphics -Can interact almost any object -Each weapon has its own effect -They don't spawn the gun in the same place every time making it more challenging -Huge maps -Minigames -The weather changes -Has better physics -All the campaigns are connected -The ending always has its own different way like walking or defending -Always have unexpected hordes or tanks making it fun -If you buy the 2, you get to play both 1 and 2 -Great storyline -You can cheat to have more fun -Custom maps -Very good voicelines -They spawn random alarm cars to make it more fun -Bread

[@alexg4927]

And it has mods

[@simplysmiley4670]

Coach my beloved.

[@mascarpone-1337]

Bread 👍

[@alexg4927]

Bread 🍞

[@bumbee9704]

And hundreds more reasons why L4D2 is better

[@paolols3534]

B4B lacks the suspense when encountering special zombies. That ogre is just like meh compared to Tank and the witch of L4D

[@armintor2826]

I'd be much more intimidated by the ogre if it could more effectively remove the player from indoor areas. Where it stands right now, the meta is so go inside and poke at it until it leaves cause the ogre cant really hurt you if your smart about it

[@jackblaze69]

the Hag is the only zombie that really gave me that feeling like the witch and tank.

[@carljohan9265]

@@armintor2826 this is in STARK contrast to the tank. If you fight the tank in a small enclosed space you are DED.

[@HYDR0C1TY]

Left 4 Dead 2 is better then some of the Resident Evil games. And I agree the Tank and the Witch are far more terrifying than this games special zombies. If you are in an enclosed small area with the Tank you are screwed. And if you are not paying attention to where you are walking and walk into a Witch you Are also equally screwed.

[@carljohan9265]

@@HYDR0C1TY Hard rain expert sugar mill. One badly aimed shot and you get a crazed screamer after your ass that can and will one-shot you :)

[@ivansoedjono]

I just love the simplicity in L4D. No fiddleing with cards or skills, worrying to get the best build.

[@simplysmiley4670]

no real RNG involved either, all weapons are to some degree viable and you never feel like you got screwed over too unfairly, L4D's Director just does this well at making each run feel unique and _fun._

[@RedFirefly96]

And the add-on support.

[@Pluvillion]

@@simplysmiley4670 - there's still RNG somewhat, but that's depending on the situation you're in. In example, health kits/pills would appear more if your team is having a hard time dealing with the infected, stronger weapons will appear if you've been having a hard time dealing with Special Infected, and there are times where a laser sight would spawn at any point in a map.

[@Rayt5official]

Grab a gun and go kill that horde over there, don't worry about the 3 tanks that's for later.

[@marzialalfonzocanada888]

@@Pluvillion that's actually one of the things that makes L4D such a blast to play and have immense replay value....no playthrough is the same everything is randomized depending on the player's performance I really want that feature on other games

[@emilianom.3264]

My issue with B4B is that I feel it’s trying a bit too hard, what I loved about L4D was how it was simple yet fun, I didn’t have to think about loadouts or perks, I just grabbed the nearest gun and had a fun time, B4B also fails to make the special zombies feel, well “special”, I get that they are mutations just like in the originals but the previous ones had so much personality, from the clothes they were wearing to the piano tune that would play when you encounter them. The game was frantic and a insane, that’s what made it fun for me.

[@iamfriendly6483]

yeah, I do think that the l4d, concept is very good, if they can make the gamestyle more like the last of us it would be very perfect, but im not saying that they should remove the arcade style gameplay aspect of l4d, no cause its one of the most uniqueness of l4d, but im saying that the storyline will be more story telling when its played like the last of us, cause its too naive to think that nostalgic feeling is a good concept but its not, its just nostalgic but its nothing special for new people, I just hope they make a really good storytelling gameplay for l4d even if they make a remake for those games, I just want the gameplay to be like last of us or REsident evil 2 reamake or, something like days gone, cause those games are survival games that has survival gameplay but in l4d its a survival game but it does not feel like a survival gameplay its just an arcade game

[@ichmich9324]

B4B is just soulless. It lacks the details what made L4D so special, even when most of the players never actively saw them or focused on them they still made an important impact. The devil lays in the detail or in the words of Harry S. Plinkett "you might not notice it, but your brain did"

[@duckus2nd]

The special infected in B4B just felt unbalanced and what I mean by that is the fact that the crushers are way too easy to kill for being up close and personal but then there’s the stingers which bind you in place which basically leave you for dead (no pun intended) if a teammate doesn’t instantly help you and that was really just one example

[@hakuboii3996]

@@iamfriendly6483 Comparing L4D with Last of Us is not just the way to go my man.. Last of Us was story driven, it was a game that really relied on the strategic mechanic and cinematic cutscenes. L4D also has a story but its 4-player coop survival gameplay is what really made it sell. Adding more unnecessary complexities would really change the soul of the game.

[@wahhdy9508]

@@iamfriendly6483 you should watch @Crowbcat 's most recent vid

[@Катюша-щ5ю]

B4B tries to look badass with characters trying to look like the cool kids in an apocalypse, while L4D feels like genuinely trying to survive extinction with characters having fear but also determination as they look for temporary safety

[@somecallmejeremy]

And with L4D being simple yet straight to the point of the personality of the characters, they became the badass one.

[@mrspo7012]

I hate when shows and games do this, also it makes the characters feel less genuine and relatable thst way.

[@JumpingJack6]

Yup.

[@buggart]

In a more simpler terms, B4B are like kids trying to look cool and badass but failing while L4D are those dudes just show up and you immediately know that they mean business.

[@CottageDreams23]

When L4D trying to survive and having fear at the same time makes them the real badass.. while B4B trying too hard to be it makes them sounds so cringe

[@KusanaG11]

So many things about Left 4 Dead 2 are ahead of its time: the sound effects, the gore, the gameplay, the aesthetics... While all that of Back 4 Blood feel like they're of an old CoD game Activision couldn't care less about.

[@sepantakiani7189]

Worse than that. Call Of Fortnite

[@KusanaG11]

Using examples from this video itself isn't hard, either. In L4D2, the pipe bomb attracts the zombies like moths towards light, as they beat the shit out of the bomb together as if it's a real Survivor. It has great animations and sound work with the zombies' punches and kicks, the flashing & fire particles, and the gore gives it a nice touch on the explosion's impact as the zombie body parts and blood fly everywhere. In B4B, the zombies are understandably slow and sluggish, it's part of the game. But when a pipe bomb is thrown, they don't look "interested" in the bomb at all. They just turn *slowly* to the bomb like "Ooh! Piece of candy!", and walk to it *purposelessly.* And let's not talk about how underwhelming the explosion and its impact is. Assuming that said impact is equal to the L4D2 pipe bomb, a direct comparison between footage of the two would put B4B to shame. What's worse/funnier is that it doesn't even do that much damage to the zombies themselves, they just shake it off like a bug bite. I can say 1 or 2 more things about it, but I'll stop here. This rant is long enough, as it is.

[@sepantakiani7189]

@@KusanaG11 yea L4D2 will survive until the fans reach their life limit. but B4B won't stand a year :D you said it perfectly i think L4D2 has much better animations with mostly everything the bombs act like a duh BOMB and not like a toy you buy in store to make it explode with a match

[@GeorgeMartinus]

Don't forget they also didn't forget to add some small details, for one example: The construction worker zombies won't get attract to pipe bomb due to wear noise-cancelling headphones.

[@killerqueenulla]

reminds me of World War Z totally boring and that card system sucks...the most important thing missing is the versus mode (not that stupid version in this game)

[@truearyan3578]

Basically both games make you feel the same way. Seeing L4D2 makes you feel nostalgic. Seeing B4B makes you feel nostalgic for L4D2

[@kazukixivv9252]

Lmao b4b doesn't even feel like left 4 dead L4D still feels and looks better.

[@pardolagames8994]

@@chrisnotpratt1903 I mean, he isn't wrong. He may be stupid, but not wrong.

[@michaels4640]

@@chrisnotpratt1903 clown

[@dr.chocolates2630]

@@chrisnotpratt1903 B4B is not a bad game but is nothing like L4D.

[@spudkingxd4843]

@@chrisnotpratt1903 l4d2 is better and more fun

[@SirPembertonS.Crevalius]

Valve's polish and approach to design is unmatched. There's a reason nearly all Valve games are renowned and loved.

[@jamesabestos2800]

Except THAT ONE but other than THAT ONE yeah 👍 I wanna go back and play L4D2 but eh ... well I got no way of playing it.

[@AParticularlyConcernedCitizen]

@@jamesabestos2800 Which one would that be?

[@jamesabestos2800]

@@AParticularlyConcernedCitizen Well ... It's now the ugly as fuck two, but hey ricochet ain't them. Hint: Hang the man and Lukewarm Card Game Bonus: The third is out there, go and find it.

[@oscarozzieozborne5783]

Design? Yeah, I can see that. Polish? *Looks at TF2 and DOTA 2* Yeah, it has something to be desired.

[@toad7395]

@@oscarozzieozborne5783 I think he means the older valve games, like portal, half life etc. games that valve still updates to this day like tf2 and dota 2 arent og valve anymore

[@oaky2222]

Zoe: "Don't shoot that car!" Zoe: *Knives it* Zoe: "Damnit!"

[@kaimacdonald3006]

they didnt shoot it I guess

[@Mcribbs28]

Zoey didn't shoot the car she just gave it a scratch

[@parisgorospe7709]

10000000000 IQ but dead

[@ChloeKruegerSenpai]

Also Zoey: Hits by a Zombie *(Moans)*

[@SuperScopeRawks]

Zoey: "Dont shoot that car!" Also Zoey: Stabs car with a knife and alarm goes off. "Damn it!"

[@explosion6768]

Well she didn’t shoot it

[@averagefanenjoyer8696]

I like jumping on top of them to set them off

[@trevoratkins2273]

Left 4 dead 1&2 were both ahead of their time honestly. All these years later and they’re still the best zombie games.

[@jamesabestos2800]

The king of homage ain't them but hey!? *Fallout New Vegas is still here* I know old news. -I might be using the term wrong-

[@LHQCosmicCanvas]

I think the dead rising series holds up pretty well too

[@captainzulyus233]

@@LHQCosmicCanvas dead rising 2 is amazing. 3 and 4 ? Meh

[@LHQCosmicCanvas]

@@captainzulyus233 fair, but they added to the crafting system. Also all games have their own gymics and feel unique dispite being part of the franchise

[@gaming1zanagi-1999]

Yeah ironically tho B4B had way advanced engine running through it yet somehow L4D/2 literally feels more realistic.

[@boredkid1235]

I just love how punchy the weapons are in L4D2 combined with the physics engine. The AK is so incredibly satisfying to use in that game.

[@ZodiacEntertainment2]

All of the guns in L4D2 feel like that. The way that the bodies of the zombies just explode into blood and guts is gruesome but satisfying.

[@SomeOrangeCat]

Love the MP5 myself, but yeah.

[@hunde2430]

and the gore in lfd2 feels so fulfilling, especially after that shotgun kills of the zeeks

[@lambda-m1676]

"DUGDUGDUGDUG"

[@wunj0739]

In b4b i feel like playing with plastic toys weapons compare to l4d

[@vantablacc3264]

The thing is that the zombies of L4D 1n2, despite being dead, had much more personality than those showcased in B4B. The unique audio cues and sounds they make clearly made them so distinct and unique compared to other zombie games.

[@Jules279]

L4D zombies aren't dead, they're infected with the Green Flu and still alive.

[@DeathZac]

@@Jules279 tHeY'rE iNfEcTeD

[@a.k8185]

@@Jules279 *Ahem* nerd

[@a.k8185]

The sound lines they have are indeed unique.

[@a.k8185]

@@Damian808UKOfficial Yeah.

[@scienceteam9254]

God The b4b characters are so unneccessarily chatty. Reminds me of my buddy Keith tried camping out on top of a building once. He was shooting crows, but the police were too busy teargassin' him to ask what he was doin' up there. He screamed for an entire year every single time he opened his eyes! Oh, man! At first, it was funny; then it just got sad, but then it got funny again! Oh, man!

[@eighthlawyer4818]

I love you

[@ramiel-best-girl]

Hey Ellis, why don't you tell us about the time you shut up!

[@anthonyconner9180]

You know what my favorite part of your stories is, Ellis? The sound they make when they *stop.*

[@AirLight1646]

We ain’t got time for this, Ellis.

[@syahrulandartomo4393]

"Ellis Sweetie can this wait? "

[@ravengenavia1933]

Why i like L4D2 more than B4B: -Pipe bombs yeets the infected -It's always a "stealth is an option" game -Unique sounds for special infected, and awesome background music when shit goes down -The dialogues are actually funny -You can feel the impact of each shot on the infected -Gnomes cause why not -The helicopter is made of *CHOCOLATE*

[@hairieharris9317]

BREAD👍

[@Mattvolko]

yea the impact i feel when i shot the walkers. Is just felt real

[@arandomuserb1]

@@Mattvolko this isnt the walking dead

[@Mattvolko]

@@arandomuserb1cough cough* the infecteds i mean

[@jovany.h_1998]

@@Mattvolkothe walkers ?? hey man don’t ever disrespect L4D like that. Just kidding bro I’m also a fan of the walking dead.

[@gamingjunkie707]

The interesting part is in a few months we may get B4B models and maps ported to L4D by the modding community.

[@boogameow]

I wouldn't even want that imo, b4b's storyline sucks

[@nickspencerfishingrodd2383]

i'd love that

[@Bloodhurl67]

Why would I want the boring characters from B4B?

[@rileyjordanmaingque4231]

YEAH

[@beeaggressive160]

Also probably memes like pills here

[@kentucky_ken]

I'll never forget first time playing L4D. And no any other zombie games can top that. The fear when you hear the witch and the tank's theme, the strategy, teamwork, and simplicity, hands down to the best.

[@allensjourney8601]

Totally agree 🎉🎉

[@sometroll3328]

Honestly the Tank is wayyy more recognizable than the Ogre, plus the Tank is a lot more fun while also giving a challenge.

[@hiranmaydas4921]

Also L4D zombies have lore behind them. Like how Tanks were steroid junkies, Boomers were morbidly obese people, Hunters were joggers/athletes, Smokers were chainsmokers, Spitters were people with herpes, Witch is ur average depressed white woman

[@hiranmaydas4921]

@olav olav yeah. Lack of effort shows. I mean, they don't even have any character. No personality. L4D's special types actually stood out and were memorable.

[@BadModder]

@@hiranmaydas4921 question, what about the chargers?

[@hiranmaydas4921]

@@BadModder construction worker/average working class dude/ countryside hillbilly

[@CHADCONTEXT]

@@hiranmaydas4921 Some of them are coomers.

[@SaikoX95]

For me Back 4 Blood is like Killing Floor 2, it has good gameplay and all but it lacks the soul that the first game had. EDIT: Since I've apparently pissed everybody off allow me to do so even more: VALVE carried Left 4 Dead.

[@KrakenZzz123]

I like killing floor 2 more than 1

[@wtfronsson]

"This new thing doesn't have the soul the old thing had" No bro. You are older now, and nothing new will feel like it did when you were young. Ever again. If they made the "perfect L4D 3" with modern graphics but the exact same gameplay, most people would be bored with it fast. It would be enjoyed by the same sweats that still play L4D 2 I guess. But I had enough of that game like 10 years ago lol.

[@SaikoX95]

@@wtfronsson That's the biggest amount of copium I've read this week. Take care of yourself.

[@wtfronsson]

@@SaikoX95 It's true. No game will ever feel as good as the ones you played as a kid. Or maybe young adult. Pretty basic and established psychology really. Read about it if you're interested. But don't tell me I'm wrong because you don't understand, lol.

[@SaikoX95]

@@wtfronsson Sure man np, just take care of yourself.

[@TieseKiwi]

Sorry Back 4 Blood. I know it has good stuff. But i think Left 4 Dead 2 still the best for me.

[@drhighpinger7934]

Me too

[@Radiation580]

Me too

[@clarkwolfang9779]

To each his own, i'm glad your comment isn't hating on b4b unlike... several l4d players

[@damianpalavecino3061]

@@clarkwolfang9779 I mean, TR are the ones selling this game as a successor of L4D. If they didn't want the backlash, they should have marketed it as it's own separate game.

[@kaelebbrycedelrosario7257]

finally a comment that dosent hate B4B unlike one of those l4d players uploading why it sucks

[@rvgr420]

Back 4 Blood's reload animations look unnaturally stiff and aggressive. L4D2's animations look more relaxed and natural. I don't get why developers decide to make animations like that in modern games and I kinda don't like it.

[@a.k8185]

I kind of like the b4b animations. Sure, unnatural, but they aren't the worst.

[@WolfTamer]

Probably because a lot of modern shooters tend to think their game needs to be gritty and realistic.

[@CH-hn2rj]

@@WolfTamer But the reload animations in back 4 blood are not realistic

[@blehh_mae]

maybe its just because i expect the realistic stumbling and heavily varied poses of the zombies in l4d but the animation in b4b looks so damn goofy, theres no stumbling or anything, the reloads are so stiff and just not smooth, and in general it looks like they hired somebody with like maybe 30 hours of animation experience for it

[@cletusmcyeetus5975]

They force military-paced reloads (and in B4B's case, even fails to get the military-trained feel too lmao) on civilian characters. Obviously it's going to look weird.

[@krispydream6907]

If Back 4 Blood is still alive and kicking after 12 years then I will say it’s a worthy competitor and a clear winner to L4D2.

[@LilMushroomFella1]

Like that’s ever gonna happen.

[@kamilo_0707]

Same

[@4bafiafzil999]

With no add-on and modding features? Good luck with that

[@justsheeeps134]

No versus either

[@yourfavoriteadoredneighbor7508]

See you here after 12 years

[@CleanSockQ]

This is a perfect example of a game being nothing without memorable characters or an interesting story.

[@aryabintangkalea2855]

Yeah so why don't the add that like mw 2019?

[@lamardavis6061]

@@aryabintangkalea2855 that game sucks

[@aryabintangkalea2855]

@@lamardavis6061 eh I don't play it I'm mostly saying that atleast most of the memorable characters are there

[@kubson_fox]

Ellis

[@legeno2865]

Let's admit for the characters, but ... How the fuck is L4D story interesting in any way ?

[@RomWatt]

There is, ironically, something very human and natural about how the infecteds move and behave in Left 4 Dead. I haven't played Back 4 Blood, but from what I've seen, I guess the zombies act just like zombies we've seen over and over.

[@DeathZac]

Yes, the stuntman worked really hard to get multiple takes of every animation, as a result, when combined, it offers huge variety and realism, a good feel!

[@OgSuda]

@@DeathZac Yep hundreds of animation and that’s just common infected lol

[@gamingmaster6377]

@@DeathZac I still cant believe Valve SHOT hundreds of people just to get the animations for the zombies

[@DeathZac]

@gamingmaster6377 Me neither! I mean sure, they will be missed and RIP and all but come on, left 4 dead 2, I'm pretty sure they agree it was worth it

[@cryptonaut1435]

This really made me appreciate something I've always taken for granted in Left 4 Dead: the visual feedback. Back 4 Blood might have higher quality graphics and (sometimes) more realistic effects, but that's about all it has over L4D in terms of visual appeal. In fact, I'd actually argue that B4B's graphical "realism" can be a bit of a detriment. While the molotov's flames in B4B are more in line with what an actual molotov does, the ridiculous wall of fire in L4D is far more satisfying in my opinion and really sells the idea that no zombie walking through it is gonna get out unscathed. Also, L4D's gib system (the code responsible for all the insane over-the-top gore) absolutely demolishes B4B in terms of satisfying visual feedback. Watching the flash of a pipe bomb's explosion and seeing zombies go FLYING through the air (usually in several pieces) will never stop being cathartic, whereas B4B's explosions feel like a wet fart in comparison. Even small stuff like the camera shaking when a tank's concrete hits the ground gives off a sense of danger and that feeling of "Oh shit, that was close" (even if it really wasn't) that the Ogre's flesh bombs are missing. There are so many minute details that add up to make Left 4 Dead an engaging experience, and I can't help but feel that B4B's developers didn't give nearly as much attention to those small but meaningful elements.

[@MrStrikecentral]

I remember the first time I saw a pipebomb literally blow zeds apart in L4D2 and I was amazed. B4B? Not so much.

[@YasaiTsume]

Alot of games these days care more about model being high quality than the visual feedback. H2's vehicle explosions vs Infinite's vehicle explosions. B4B vs L4D. Heck just look at Vermintide 2: models are jank but you decap something the head flies off the blood spurts in your face and obscures your vision. Only game that I feel done the visual feedback right from first game to second is Killing Floor 2. Atmosphere may have taken a hit in that game but if you want gore that game has serious gore and takes full advantage of Unreal. You throw a nade and it goes into slow mo and you see an entire intestinal tract flying over your head. You swing a sword on a head and you see brains. You can then proceed to walk around in the guts and it moves as it gets caught on your feet. Wondeful stuff.

[@gaming1zanagi-1999]

Yeah I agree. I remember how I hardly can avoid it XD

[@gaming1zanagi-1999]

@@YasaiTsume yeah sadly that is why I prefer Far Cry 2 more. Tho the malaria mechanic did get annoying still it is a good game.

[@DoNotEatStudios]

Also all of the great animations when you shoot at infected in L4D makes every single shot feel so impactful and satisfying. B4B zombies just turn into Ragdolls and plop to the ground.

[@tanhongyi7180]

They really need to revise the Ogre. The amount of pressure Tank had in L4D was unmatched compared to the Ogre in B4B. Big =/= Intimidating. The Tank's speed, power never fails to put the players on the run while the Ogre has been nothing but a moving mascot for soaking up ammo.

[@ery]

There is a tank in b4b it was locked in the beta so he did not appear in the beta, the ogre is it’s own thing he isn’t comparable to the tank

[@CerulianHimmel]

@Siper And on the super freak chance that happened, the game was basically like "here, go again. If you are lucky, it won't happen again. And if it does? Whatever! Try again." B4B was like "lol random ass chance that five tallboys spawned and you all died. You only have one more chance remaining have fun. Oh, and it'll totally happen again :)"

[@comfysun57]

even more intimidating when it’s a giant hero brine that’s so hard to kill

[@Indurok]

@@CerulianHimmel Do you have to start the campaign over again in B4B? Not that I know what the campaign system is like, since I haven't played the game.

[@CerulianHimmel]

@@Indurok Die enough times in one campaign, and yes. If you die once, no. iirc you get initial start + 2 respawns, and a campaign is about 10 sections in length. Like, it's fucking brutal.

[@sincey01a82]

L4D2 gore is just amazing, the physics and gore made the pipe bomb so good to use. But I just want a L4D like game I can play on PS4 and PS5.

[@saulgoitiamendez9008]

Buy a Xbox one or Xbox series S/X.

[@sincey01a82]

@@saulgoitiamendez9008 yeah I have an Xbox one but it isn’t great haha

[@Strongest845]

@@sincey01a82 try Deep Rock Galactic it have mission based object and horde of monster like l4d, very fun to shoot

[@christopherquintanilla6572]

save your money dont get an xbox they dont have value, a cheap pc can easily run left 4 dead if you got one

[@Khoros-Mythos]

Consoles are ruining gaming, it's because of you we get constant re-releases of decade old games. Just buy a PC or deal with it.

[@sunghovlogsandmore4130]

No one can defeat the Left 4 Dead 1&2 when it comes to story line, effects, graphics, cheats, and mostly the zombies and special infected.

[@m.naufalavila8792]

B4B has better graphics but L4D1/2 have better physics

[@sinanapenka9748]

@@m.naufalavila8792 it would suck not looking better than a game from 2008/9, well thats than only thing b4b is better at.

[@Drizzledawg]

@@m.naufalavila8792 You’re right the graphics are better but they still didn’t do better than the original sadly , I remember being little always thinking about when left 4 dead 3 would come out (if there would be one)..Back 4 Blood was supposed to be the resurrection and extension of the series but it failed in many ways , I feel like they just tried to dethrone L4D while the originals didn’t wanna dethrone each other they just co-existed and were both great I’m just a bigger fan of L4D2 because the amazing voice lines *cough Ellis* overall both games are great and B4B needs work

[@jase276]

@@m.naufalavila8792 Idk about the better graphics. B4B looks way more cartoon-y than L4D. B4B was obviously trying to go fortnite with the graphics to appeal to zoomers.

[@iamcluf]

@@jase276fortnite? wtf

[@Ninesniper]

the throwables in b4b are disappointing like it feels like its a childrens zombie game but in left 4 dead the pipe bombs and Molotov's and boomer biles just feel like youre actual engaged in the fight against the horde and the pipe bombs have dismemberment limbs in l4d 2 which is more graphic and in b4b the zombies just fall down and its lame as hell

[@WEIRDxGRIM]

The b4b ones are more realistic, but we can all agree that the l4d ones looks, sounds and kills better.

[@feverdream6826]

I feel like this is because of Unreal Engine

[@Jufa24Jaiz07]

Its like the thing of cod zombies in waw they were called nazi zombies and now they are just zombies.

[@greasey8695]

@@WEIRDxGRIM Is it more realistic for an IED to make a person fall over than actually explode open?

[@jizinga8418]

@@greasey8695 or the alcohol in a Molotov not immediately catching fire once the bottle breaks while it spilled everywhere it shattered onto.

[@1p0z83]

i wish they added spawn music or attack music to the special infected, thats what made them really unique and cool in l4d. Music can give you a lot of useful information like what special infected just spawned, knowing when a rescue vehicle has arrived by hearing music, and hearing that tank music helps you back up to a better spot and get ready to fight him, the game just feels really different from l4d.

[@legzzzzz]

Music cues are really important especially in this kind of genre.

[@nickspencerfishingrodd2383]

yea, agreed. it also makes the situation more interesting

[@tomemeornottomeme1864]

@@legzzzzz In a game where you sometimes can't even hear the people in your voice call on account of all the yelling, gunfire and sound effects and you cannot be looking multiple directions while in a battle, those music cues really help a lot.

[@Atomik_Bomb42]

and it kinda scares you sometimes because you hear the music and your trying to figure out where its at if you dont already hear it screaming at you

[@1p0z83]

@@tomemeornottomeme1864 well i played with two of my friends in a voice call and they even like to laugh really loud, and i was always calling out what special infected spawned, they were even impressed and started doing the same. You aren't always getting attacked by zombies and that's when you usually hear them spawn, you probably have music volume set to low, or just not paying close attention.

[@lima993b]

B4B has the marketing, L4D2 has everything else...

[@trisfaleel]

B4B has the marketing, L4D2 IS the marketing lol yeah ik this is like one year old

[@atk1152]

I love the weapon handle and movement of Left 4 Dead 2 each character holding the gun different even the wounded animation. It also show how the character you play is just normal civilian. They aren't Navy seal do all of the tactical reload stuff in B4B. It really show the detail Valve care about their character

[@kingol4801]

Yes. Except the balance is the outer way around. Survivors can survive an oversized gorilla yeeting them 10 meters away, without having all of their internal organs crushed in an instant by the fragments of the broken bones…… And yet a ZOMBIE, undead….. Dies from 1-2 bullets TO THE FOOT. Balance is just backwards. I wish Left 4 Dead was more like Project Zomboid in a sense of “zombies are quite tough, ammo management is crucial and you will die from about anything”. Instead we have bullet sponge survivors and one-hit-kill special infected. Hell, Charger should have half the health of a tank. And should needs about 5 shotgun blasts to be killed….. not two frying pan hits…. Same thing with boomer - his explosion should be an instant-kill to survivors. Just like Bursters in Dead Island games/Dying Light. Either you explode him further away and the explosion attracts a horde…. Or you don’t and you just DIE. Likewise, smoker should just kill survivor once he is fully reeled in (or choke him out within 15 seconds of hanging him, if he grabs him from a roof). Akin to pre-nerf Strangler in “Last Year”. Hell, balance the game around having different survivors. If you die in a campaign, you get reborn with a body of another survivor and some randomized starting inventory. Also, survivors on the ground not dying in a couple seconds is just ridiculous.

[@KlazGuy]

​@@kingol4801"Ellis, Sweetie, can this wait?"

[@Johnsen290Games]

@@kingol4801 l4d is an arcade shooter, not something like slow dying light/project zomboid, it's meant to be simple fun, nothing too complicated nor hardcore (which B4B did, it sucked dingus). go check out no more room in hell instead, same progression style as left 4 dead, not too extravagant, every infected is very harsh, harsh mechanics, still very fun. this game is not your type and you should play those instead, not everything is catered to your preference, or make it somewhat close to that with mods and customize it yourself.

[@blehh_mae]

@@kingol4801 just play on expert or something if you wanna be instantly crushed by a tank

[@GovernorRed]

@@kingol4801 expert realism wants to have a chat

[@IronSabbath666]

And now here we are November 2021, B4B is a month old and has less players than L4D2 a 12 year old game on steam, safe to say who won

[@Jm-ki4su]

left 4 dead 2's southern american feel was just a breath of fresh air. the special infected dressed in clothes to match their environment added to that feeling of uniqness. Rochelle, Nick, Coach and especially Ellis were all amazing characters. I'm still playing l4d2, and i love every bit of it. I applaud b4b for trying something new, but i agree that it should have been it's own standalone game

[@booooooooooooop2172]

It is its own standalone game

[@AgentOrangeCrush]

@@booooooooooooop2172 Exactly what i was thinking lmao. It has no ties to l4d except for the creators lol

[@bread6235]

@@AgentOrangeCrush and the passing

[@nikkoa.3639]

@@booooooooooooop2172 I think they meant that B4B shouldn't have tried to stand on the shoulders of L4D2, because yes it is a standalone game but it's marketed that it's from the makers of the original L4D.

[@kabeam5643]

@@nikkoa.3639 The funny part is that the only reason that B4B is even popular is because the creators of L4D made it.

[@GiggleFist720]

The very best part about Back 4 Blood is the part where I start playing Left 4 Dead again. L4D2 is always going to be the superior game. And not saying B4B is bad or anything, at least it’s fun to play... unlike Earthfall or WWZ

[@friendofp.24]

World War Z is way more fun to me compared to B4B. Every enemy in B4B feels designed to be as frustrating as possible. The only thing that makes WWZ not fun is waiting 7 minutes in the lobby for my vegetative teammates to ready up for some reason.

[@SilentJheck]

Ngl WWZ gameplay feels more like a "zombie apocalypse" than any other game could with its merciless non-stop undead hoards (when ignoring the grinding systems and the off-putting 3rd person pov), wouldn't say it's as enjoyable to me as L4d2 is but would definitely play it anytime over B4B.

[@Ken-df8cp]

Lmao preferring B4B over WWZ? Heresy.

[@GiggleFist720]

Gotta say, comment section, you changed my perspective. I picked up WWZ again recently and I had a pretty good time.

[@MrPopel-hc8fn]

the good ending

[@joshuakimmich4486]

L4D will always be king. The Director alone makes sure that every run on any map is different every single time. That alone makes L4D so unique and special; impossible to beat it or replicate that.

[@frizelfrancis]

4:46 L4D2 sound effects are the soul of the game. Same for all the half-life series too.

[@simplysmiley4670]

Nothing feels better then the rush of horde coming or escape arriving, the music is just _this_ good. As well as being able to outplay _all_ infected in some way, they are never _guaranteed_ damage, all of them have warnings in both their "voices" and the piano tunes, the music and rumbling when tank arrives, or crying of a witch in some dark corner making you think smarter yet giving you the option to get some balls of steel and kill it one way or another, explosive ammo staggering the witch, or one clean shotgun shot one shotting her. It's a simple game, but damn does it have depth despite that.

[@metalhandboi6681]

I miss the older days of LFD2 and TF2. I'd do anything to relive those days one more time

[@xXYannuschXx]

Me too, the the first decade of the 2000s were by far the best times for gamers; having started gaming in that period really lets you see the downfall of video games...

[@roberthardwell3916]

@@xXYannuschXx it's because 90% of games from ps4 to current era is just some random futuristic stuff, not to mention boring open world games

[@ShamusNerd]

I know TF2 has it's bot issues but besides that people are still on L4D2 and TF2 so go play good games even if they are considered "old"

[@BL4CK-L1ST]

It’s settled, when B4B comes out, i’ll be buying L4D2.

[@JohnSmith-gr3pq]

This comment, it brought a light of humor to a comment section of critique. Note how I said critique, not complaint

[@wanstarz]

Bored with vanilla guns?, Mod it with cod warzone weapons mod, and bam! Looks way cooler than b4b...ngl i like L4D2

[@destiny-dude]

what a power move holy shit

[@dogsys]

HOLY SHIT YOURE GONNA TAKE DOWN THE GOVERNMENT WITH MOVES LIKE THAT!

[@-xghost_4013]

And if you wanna go cheap, wait for steam sales, usually L4D2 went down to like 1 dollar, yes. One. Dollar.

[@mrspo7012]

My problem with B4B is it looks too futuristic, while L4D2 looks present even after all those years.. when you play it you feel a connection to the characters and events.

[@jeffarmstrong1699]

Yes!

[@mr.exodus3844]

What do you mean futuristic? They literally both take place in modern times, just better graphics in back 4 blood.

[@naoaquieopatrickpatrick8565]

@@mr.exodus3844 I think he meant the zombie apocalypse itself. The zombies look more like aliens than zombies and therefore feels like some sci-fi futuristic shit, like the game takes place in 2122 or something, like the Alien movies.

[@TiVo2Go]

*Back 4 Blood has no charm or brings out my emotions like L4D.* *Back 4 Blood plays more like EarthFall: Alien Horde more than L4D.* *L4D is years old and more innovative and memorable to this day.* *The sounds that let you know what is or has attacked and where it is attacking from.* *The SI visual details in addition to the sound, the hunter wearing a hoodie, the witch in her dirty underwear, the charger in his overalls, the smoker in his combat boots, the boomer with his puss filled skin and sores, the jockey with his wicked smile and hunch back, the spitter with her saggy boobs and dripping spit.* *Nothing of memory or of note in B4B.* *What Turtle Rock should have done was just swallow their pride, get with Valve and make L4D3.* *Already strike one with Evolve and I think more people will still be playing L4D after Turtle Rock gives up on B4B.* *Just should have improved L4D.* *SI can swap or mix and match abilities or combine them.* *Or an option to show a visual que where your boom, pounce, charge and spit will land.* *Bigger maps with more survivor and SI count.* *Emotes, skins, etc.* *Pretty much use and improve on the ideas of the mod community.* *Then while the money is rolling in make Back 4 Blood or work on L4D4.*

[@maxcook356]

What's with the bold text?

[@a_honoka_simp413]

See that’s the issue u desperately want a game like left 4 dead but the truth is there never going to be a game like it again u got to see the game as it’s own self by you comparing it to left 4 dead your only going to be disappointed if doesn’t live of to it

[@Jufa24Jaiz07]

@@a_honoka_simp413 the thing is, how are you gonna get sales if you know that people are still liking an old game? It is very hard to have new players and more if it is a "new" game. We are talking about a ripoff of l4d2 and its the truth, if they dont do what they need to do for making me say that b4b its a new zombies game they are not going to get new people and if they dont do a better game than l4d2... well you get another dead game. Why? Because l4d2 will not buy a worse game than the one of 10 years ago.

[@f2progamer]

@@a_honoka_simp413 It's the game that's constantly advertising itself as a spiritual successor to l4d,and made by the "same devs" as the original l4d. Of course we're gonna compare them.

[@FightCain]

I’m not really digging into the “tacti-cool” aesthetic of B4B From the many videos I watched, Im not sure if I like the attachment mechanic. It feels like people would just focus on maximizing the gun’s performance that it ends with one team with the same gun and attachments, because it’s optimized the best. Also, the maps for B4B looks great but feels a bit ‘remote’, if you catch my drift: it feels like the maps aren’t lived in and has a very defined path as if people moved their stuff out of the way. I think I’d like B4B if I played it but, the experience would not be comparable for the hundreds of hours I put into L4D1/2 on the 360 (and later PC) It feels like Killing Floor speed with No more rooms in hell vibes

[@hunlepto2239]

Yeah, what I loved in L4D2 is that there weren't too many guns, but basically, no gun was really useless. Every gun had its own distinct role with its own downsides and upsides. Maybe M16 is the only that can be said to be outclassed by almost everything, though it's still a nice common clearer on normal difficulties with its great magazine and reload time.

[@SomeGuyWithABlueMask]

@@hunlepto2239 even the throwables have their uses, I even remember that one time I threw a bile bomb on a single zombie and a whole horde just steamrolled the poor infected bastard

[@TheRealShyShadow]

@@SomeGuyWithABlueMask trust it wont be that popular like left4dead cuz skins will be buyble not mods and maps will be only dlcs and yea no custom comunity maps,mods,wepon/characters skins and alot more and also b4b will become a zombie version of cs go you wanna buy car or some pixels in game eh.Your own choice

[@heiromarc]

To be honest, attachments on guns would be COOL in L4D if they are randomized in the ground. Imagine seeing a SCAR-L on the ground only to find out it has small differences compared to a normal SCAR-L

[@richardfitzwell4618]

It's a good game, it's fun to play, but not $60 fun. It's a $20 at best.

[@Ezioauditore5678]

I don’t think people seem to realize that we will never get a game like L4d again until valve makes the third game. Trs may have created the foundation but it was valve who perfected it by l4d2 Edit: lmao looks like I pissed off trs fanboys. Whatever weirdos, it’s not like valve has had lots of other successful game before and after L4d…. Oh wait, they have.

[@ucbuiminh4651]

I don't think Valve would be releasing a 3rd title very soon. The success of current generation Valve's games (Team Fortress, Left 4 Dead, even single players titles like Half-Life and Portal) makes it risky to make another title. By "risky" I mean it really really hard to make a "better" game than what Valve's team had already put out. CS:GO still possess a huge player count, L4D continuously has active players (in which mods and community's content play a huge role). And don't get me start about TF2, that shit still alive af even though it hardly have any update. HL Alyx did a solid job by freshing out play style as well as continue the storyline. But I don't think the same strategy can be applied to other IPs. Still, really really hard doesn't mean impossible, I hope Valve will soon prove my arguments wrong.

[@WhirlingMusic]

and then there's me who prefers L4D1 over 2.

[@damianpalavecino3061]

L4D was also developed by Valve, TR just layed the foundation of the game before valve bought the IP. TR barely has anything to do with L4D funnily enough.

[@lsmer8994]

@@ucbuiminh4651 Absolutely!

[@Ezioauditore5678]

@@WhirlingMusic there ain’t nothing wrong with preferring L4d over 2 but it’s still purely valve. Valve were The ones to decide which characteristics to keep and which infected should stay or leave. For example, the screamer was meant to be a thing but was too hard to implement so they instead gave the working scream to the hunter and made the boomer the one to attract the hordes.

[@ImpracticalDok]

Also a neat thing with flashlights in l4d2, they are attached to the gun, so when you reload the light shines away from your pov

[@sinyu4015]

Fr, what I do is thst when I reload I look down to the point that my flashlight is watching to where I was lookin in the first place, and then I look up again

[@DeZiio]

What makes LFD/LFD2 a great game is the mute color tones the great audio, and moment like 4:55 when it goes from being quiet to hearing the horde being summoned by the game director who also picks some great audio tracks for the approaching hordes

[@fnaffriends4258]

"LFD"

[@a.k8185]

What is the game director?

[@DeZiio]

@@a.k8185 The game director is in charge of making sure you're having a good experience in the game. Whether its changing the map around procedurally or sending tougher enemies your way, it's programmed to always be watching you and deciding if it needs to spawn things like shotgun ammo vs pipe bomb vs health. Mowing down zombies with your shotie, without taking a scratch? Less ammo spawns up ahead. Better make a new plan!

[@a.k8185]

@@DeZiio That sounds very big brain

[@ThatDevilBrony]

I think one over-arching advantage that Left 4 Dead has over Back 4 Blood is summarized in one word: Simplicity. In L4D, all the characters are easily recognizable thanks to their simple clothing having two primary colours. For example, Nick has an easily identifiable white suit and blue shirt. Rochelle has a pink shirt, Bill has a green jacket and yellow shirt, etc. In B4B, all the Cleaners have more complicated appearances thanks to their clothing and equipment. Holly, one individual character, has a mix of blue on her cap, yellow on her sweater, red on her plaid and black on her backpack and leggings. That’s without talking about the equipment like backpacks, which takes up all the space on their back that could be used to identify them. On some characters like Walker (An army veteran) and Hoffman (a crazy prepper) it makes sense, but do we really think Holly would lug around a heavy backpack? Personally, I doubt it. Continuing with the theme of simplicity, L4D’s items and guns are very easy to understand. You’ve got a certain amount of weapons and items to work with. You’re normally given two types of the same weapon, each one with their own spin. The M4 Assault Rifle is a great all-rounder while its “sidegrades” offer a more unique spin, such as the AK47 being more accurate when standing still and less accurate when running. I think the card / perk system for B4B was a novel idea but it ultimately forces you into a mindset of having all your perks ready or you’re screwed. If you pick Holly, you’re focused on a melee build. If you try to branch away, you won’t be as effective (in my eyes). In L4D, even if you have arguably the worst loadout of an MP5, a pistol, boomer bile, defibrillator and adrenaline, you can STILL make use out of those items. Not to mention, you can pick up any gun and adapt on the fly, saving your game from turning into an utter slog. There’s a lot of things going against Back 4 Blood and I definitely don’t want it to go down when it has so much potential, but to me, Left 4 Dead will always be a timeless masterpiece.

[@mrdeadflower]

Same goes for team fortress 2 You could even see in 64p or 32p and you'll still recognise the character

[@ThatDevilBrony]

@olav olav Shit even Nick IN-GAME says how simple it is (kinda): "Now grab a weapon and follow me, this goddamn building's on fire."

[@KusanaG11]

@olav olav It does have a Walk button where you hold Shift, just like in every other Valve FPS games. But it’s nice that since this game is geared towards everyone from “group of friends dicking around” to “sweaty, tryhard MVP lords”, it doesn’t provide much tactical advantage to the point of necessity to the players. In other words, it’s a simple movement option not forced upon the player like Sprinting in other games, and I personally really appreciate that.

[@KusanaG11]

A thing I’d like to mention is how the weapons are all versatile and simple to use, so you don’t grow an emotional attachment to them. It plays to the game’s aesthetics that the Survivors are merely civilians with generally very basic knowledge on guns, so anything that can turn the violent and hostile zombies to chunky human soup will do for them. And, like you said, players only need to pick up some guns and shoot things. No worries about weapon ranking because they all have their unique strengths, and especially ammo management due to the ridiculously generous reserves, getting rid of any problems that might be involved with it, like ammo sharing in PUBG and B4B. Sure, Tier 2 weapons are undoubtedly better than Tier 1s overall (and most alternate gamemodes for Versus that are strictly competitive straight up remove them entirely), but in true normal public Versus games, you are never truly defenseless with any given gun at any given time, especially if you play your cards right with the weapon type you have.

[@rascalthecat666]

Shut up lmao

[@hunlepto2239]

You can see they barely cared about the details of sounds, enviromental interaction and gameplay (or Unreal Engine lacks these functions themselves?). Colors are too washed out and comic-y, unlike L4D2 that had an interesting film-like artstyle with extra care about the details of models (to this day, most infecteds look terrifying up-close). Maybe story mode and stuff might be better (dunno about it though). I also have to say the hub is a nice touch, since L4D2 lobbies are painfully boring and makes players want to leave instantly. The extra gameplay elements is something you think could only make the game more fun, but it makes you think into it too much to the point it's annoying. You're in an arcade(?) shooting game, not a strategy or puzzle game, the only thing you should think about is how to handle situations considering the circumstances, not about how to play the game itself even when you know how it plays. Overall, I just think saying it's L4D3 is both idiotic and ignorant, it has many features I absolutely hate in modern games and don't support and I feel it almost has no distinctive feature that can't be already found in some other game(s), but probably better.

[@clarkwolfang9779]

"You're in an arcade(?) shooting game, not a strategy or puzzle game" The thing is, Back 4 Blood doesn't try to be a Run and Gun game like L4D, it has more strategy behind, but people are expecting it to play the same as L4D and then are dissappointed as hell when it doesn't. The only valid complain I think is the lack of gore and the sound design, it doesn't fell as satisfying as L4D, but aside from that, i did enjoy the beta, and will wait for the reviews at launch.

[@gabrysmichalek4281]

@@clarkwolfang9779 I'm very hyped at this game I don't know why, maybe because it's coop and zombie game? I'm just waiting on launch very much

[@4shl3y38]

*correction its called campaign😂

[@wilbur4235]

@@clarkwolfang9779 _"But people are expecting it to play the same as L4D and then are disappointed as hell when it doesn't"._ The only reason it had the name "Back 4 Blood" is literally because they wanted to make L4D kind of game, if anything then I don't fucking know what are they trying to tell while having that obvious name.

[@hunlepto2239]

@@clarkwolfang9779 Then why the fuck advertise it as a better L4D when it can't even use what made L4D fun in its gameplay? "From the creators of Left 4 Dead" and even the title screams at you to compare the two, yet Back 4 Blood falls pretty flat on its face when compared with Left 4 Dead 2. If they atleast advertised it as another type of game, it wouldn't have gotten so much hate, but the creators legit want people to believe this is a Left 4 Dead killer game.

[@JRE_-vj6tu]

No matter how new the game is with their new mechanics, power-ups and so forth with complexity. Left 4 Dead and games like it will always be treasured for simply their simplicity, simple as that for me

[@vladixx_xd]

Лэфка как по мне лучше б4б, лэфка ностальгию наводит, а сама механика как по мне по своему шикарна

[@gunslinger9082]

Внатури

[@user-ym1qc6rv4m]

B4B кусок говна без оптимизации, проёбывающий по всем направлениям, если его сравнивать с лефтом.

[@DMlTREl]

@@user-ym1qc6rv4m По всем? Не знал, что анимации оружия в L4D2 10 из 10

[@user-ym1qc6rv4m]

@@DMlTREl поставь моды и будут тебе анимации оружия 10 из 10

[@DMlTREl]

@@user-ym1qc6rv4m Может на B4B тоже моды ставить?

[@Sparx632]

B4b’s gore seems so underwhelming, it’s something I’ve noticed every single time I’ve watched gameplay or trailers for it. That was one of my favourite parts of l4d so it really makes me not want to bother with b4b.

[@DukeoftheAges]

It's hilarious how much better left 4 dead is in every way

[@teetree6661]

Generally, I'd say the biggest things that L4D2 has on B4B is story and details. B4B leaves a lot to be desired for both. Outside of those, the main criticisms I see people put forward sound a lot more like engine preferences.

[@leo_funny587]

It really bothers me that you can't kick several infected back either with melee or with an m2. It seems riddiculous

[@SomeGuyWithABlueMask]

I keep instinctively press m2 to push zombies away in this game, it just screws me over mentally

[@xcvetxzk4048]

I hate that you can't one hit the infected like you can in Left 4 Dead 2 with the melee weapons

[@Harleyyhqwifey]

@@xcvetxzk4048 Same

[@jamesedleymusic]

You can only hit one zombie at a time.

[@xcvetxzk4048]

@@jamesedleymusic Yeah, and it doesn't do much damage, I'm pretty sure it takes 3 hits to kill one

[@TokenMCPE]

Back for Blood may be cool in terms of graphics, gameplay (or whatever lol) But L4D will always be in my heart ❤️

[@yacine10169]

Agreed

[@oh3681]

Agreed

[@hustlened7494]

left for dead is infinitely better

[@lsmer8994]

Idk… The graphics looks like they’re gonna be outdated in a year because there is no style… Realism dates fast when it has no style.

[@lsmer8994]

Now compare that to left 4 dead 2 which, honestly has better graphics. Not because it looks more realistic but because it has style which makes it stand out!

[@bokilisdeeron9688]

Even if this Left 4 Dead 2 is an old game, It will always be the greatest zombie game ever! I LOVE YOU HS TOP!

[@VeryHungryEggshelleater]

The " idiots" part gave me a good laugh.

[@timbor3882]

Thanks for reminding me how good l4d2 actually is

[@patricksusulin9335]

now the lack of climbing animation during fall down revive team mate is just embarrassing.

[@syyruppallaround]

literally takes the survivor who just got revived 20 years to climb up that ledge, while you’re literally just there waiting for them to hurry the hell up

[@Game-ne5nb]

"Yo bro thanks for yelling and clapping at me to hurry the fuck up" "No problem bro"

[@PotentialGrim]

Gameplay is pretty similar, but the aesthetic, artstyle and character design is similar to switching from TF2 to Overwatch.

[@Pauli-dg2yv]

Overwatch: Soldier is gay TF2: We are not most men. We are MERCENARIES

[@nickspencerfishingrodd2383]

i wouldn't say it's similiar tbh. perhaps a bit, but it also felt different to me

[@InternetWAPx]

I wouldn't say that at all, i think that overwatch has done a pretty good job with their characters. Especially the voice actors they've done astonishingly! They gave these characters so much personality. When OW released it was actually such a love letter to people who work on character designs and voice them. They were all so individual and each of them sounded so distinctive. This comparison doesn't hit the same, as a l4d vs b4b comparison would hit.

[@superfurfannyaa1864]

@@InternetWAPx tf2 has 100 percent more personality than overwatch

[@crackjack144]

@@superfurfannyaa1864 the lore in tf2 is also way better then what ever overwatch has

[@KitNinja64]

5:15 zoey 😳😳😳

[@luthfihisyam3222]

no

[@jose7518]

No

[@M.BK.]

Loved watching this, and also hard in some sort of way, seeing L4D2 getting more and more outdated. But I'll never stop playing it though, such a classic and the nostalgia just hits the spot every time I turn it on

[@reese8050]

B4B lacks that horror feeling imo, L4D has that dark and desaturated environment, but it's not only the environment, it's the zombies as well and the whole menu screen, I fucking love it. Of course in terms of graphics B4B wins, but what we should focus here is the tension and overall gameplay. B4B has good gameplay sure, now I don't play B4B but imo the zombies are not as intimidating as L4D, their special zombies doesn't give that gore look that I like about L4D. I think the winner here is L4D, but it's up to you guys.

[@domskillet5744]

B4B has technically better graphics, but the world feels a lot more real in L4D. The zombies move far smoother and with better physics than in B4B. Idk B4B looks awkwardly floaty and jerky to me

[@the_struggler963]

B4B zombies look Slimy for me......not even scared btw.....and its kinda cringe to hear random voice in B4B......

[@lightninggaming016]

When you play l4d games the atmosphere itself is creepy and when the zombies come at you it's like you panic to know what to do next and knowing it's only 4 of you in l4d against so many zombies and special infected is scary b4b don't have that same feeling

[@Indurok]

I haven't played B4B, but I heard that rather than "survivors" the main characters are called "cleaners" (please correct me if I'm wrong), which makes killing zombies sound more like a cleanup job rather than trying to survive.

[@benl4d2shortsanims]

L4d didn’t really have a horror feel b4b does

[@kakapao2389]

Don't forget the addons! -Character/infected skins -Weapon/Item skins -vocalizers -custom maps -sprays

[@shawnamenamen6839]

You're right that's how we enjoy l4d2 and that's why the community is still alive

[@JohnSmith-gr3pq]

@@shawnamenamen6839 The difference is we get them for free off the workshop, they have to buy them.

[@quintincol4375]

Another reason why left 4 dead was so epic are its soundtracks. Background music really do have an impact in the player's emotion. Something Back for Blood doesn't have

[@oliverstvchannel6442]

Always happy when he uploads Left 4 Dead content.

[@lukalaa1764]

some mechanics in B4B seem actually great, but as a whole, I fear it might disapoint (looking at the beta.... yeaaah) like random bird spawns would be fun to see. you see a flock of birds on one path and have to avoid it or risk scaring them, thus alerting a horde

[@jamesedleymusic]

The mechanics are good on paper, but in execution, they fall apart.

[@Disanem]

L4d2 makes you rely on your teammates and their skills cuz without them youll probably die, but B4B can be beaten by yourself and I find that dumb and ruins the idea. So I hope they fix that.

[@ragingpapabear5978]

I also feel the music plays a huge role in L4D that was missed. Like when you're pulled by a smoker or have puke on you that suspenseful melody kicking in made you feel there. B4B just feels like my alarm clock is going off and im waiting to hit the snooze button just to get caught in another mutations loogie.

[@hellrazor2863]

7:39 hs top: water phys- Bill(profit): *its free shower*

[@Killoer]

Realistically, I think Back 4 Blood can be great if it had mod support; custom maps alongside the vanilla maps of L4D2 kept the game fresh and entertaining to play with friends. Beta itself, was fun, but really lacks the charm L4D2 had.

[@justdem1490]

But no, the game will only have maps by TR

[@HanniSeidenba0525]

@@justdem1490 hahahahahaha unless you buy more battle pass.

[@justdem1490]

@@HanniSeidenba0525 maps of Evolve for 12.99

[@radek4634]

Why modders should fix this skeleton of a game for free? L4D has so much support cuz it is great game and all mods are based around that. Mod support in b4b would not change too much, cuz whole game is heartless, it feels like poorly made cod standalone mode. And even that is not fair to say, because multiplayer in cod have zombie mode and it is more fun than this game. :/

[@zerotsc3583]

The thing that L4D did right in my opinion was a compelling narrative the fact that your characters are some of the least experienced people just fighting to survive with B4B its a nice narrative it has its place but it lacks the charm of L4D that being said B4B is still a very nice game on its own merit

[@dedicategrinder88]

I DIDNT EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE WATER PHYSICS LOL, bro that just shows how much effort was put into l4d2 what a great game 😢 30.8.23

[@archiejuan3320]

6:47 zoey did you just 😳

[@G700myDr1nk]

i like how in l4d when your teammate falls off you actually help them up, and in b4b you just give them a pep talk and they magically rise up

[@earnem4175]

"Oh my fucking god! We are fighting to survive. Not die. Bitch."

[@starflatinum244]

I just love L4D2. I can't explain why. I'm already play it since 3 years ago. Also there's a lot of modding features available on Steam. A lots of custom maps, various weapon mod and Anime survivor mod, and the others. In my opinion, it has better animation, blood effect, sound, and more.

[@Akiyama_Shun]

"have i ever told about my buddy Keith making a new hole badass videogame about zombies named Back 4 Blood? Oh man oh man!! he holed up in his basement for 1 entire year living on nothing but snacks and cola. he was very good at programming himself but he just had a little help from his cousin who is very good at making backgrounds by hand. in the end the gaming community didn't welcome the game as it should have been though..." "Ellis..Ellis!...Is that the best time?" ".....sorry"

[@oneyneame]

7:55 and at this moment, back 4 blood knew, he’s fucked up

[@damianpalavecino3061]

Not to defend Back4Bucks, but there's no physics involved in any of those cases. The water dropping from the ceiling is a particle system, not actual water, and the water in L4D2 is just a texture slapped in a cube that reacts to ray-casting.

[@yourundeadsniper]

B4B in my opinion is just another "WOOHOO KILL ZOMBIES BECAUSE WE COOL!". Left 4 dead was more interesting, getting to know the characters AN ACTUAL CREW with different personalities, making your way to what you call safety and many more things that kept players coming back, stay or even bringing new players to a 11 years old game! (I know its not the full product)

[@oscarriveraabal9390]

Yeah, changing civilians for profesional cleaners wasnt really the best idea.

[@kayagorzan]

Yes indeed

[@rosarysbutt4693]

What the hell you actually care about personallity. Also what you said left 4 dead is about is literally the same as back 4 blood minus the weird personality part. Might i add they have the same replay ability just left 4 dead has a better vibe to it. Just everyone watch bro back for blood is going to be good as well, it may not have the same feeling but definitely will be good.

[@dogsys]

@@rosarysbutt4693 back 4 blood doesn’t have any of the unique features 2 had. The only reason it might & I mean MIGHT live for a while is because of the 4, without that this game would be nothing.

[@rosarysbutt4693]

@@dogsys what unique features are you talking about theyre literally just the same game with different infected different guns different graphics and different characters. You obviously didnt play the beta if youre saying it has unique features

[@PRINXE1117]

L4D2 was so ahead of its time, still the best zombie game for me, even the versus mode is all so good

[@lolcat1001]

one thing I notice is how well the animations for the zombies in l4d2, I just adore how the zombies struggle in the fire and how they just jump back if we shoot them point blank range

[@sadboycam3293]

I love the comparisons you used, I haven’t played b4b just yet but I do plan on pre ordering. L4d 1+2 will always be my favorite zombie game but I’m just glad the original studio tried their hand at this since valve will never give us left 4 dead 3 and I’m very excited for b4b

[@Phoenix.Sparkles]

The only aspect that actually caught my attention was the interaction with cars and how they explode if you shoot them. Everything else looked the same as l4d2, just with little higher quality sounds/graphics, but not enough to make me spend a fortune on a game I pretty much already own.

[@aarepelaa1142]

Yeah they could have made it cheaper by just picking a less detailed art style that doesn't look bad either. Definetly not the only thing to consider but seems like it would give them more time to well, make the game better. Maybe they'll update it someday.

[@KasimTheManChild]

use graphics mod for l4d2, it look so much better

[@MistressMary...22-u9j]

its amazing how good L4D2 still looks and holds up all these years later though

[@nativeam25]

The music and small visual effects like when your pinned by a hunter.

[@Kristik]

I think there's clearly a lot of passion that went into the weapons in B4B, I'll give it that.

[@Kreezos]

But not a lot of passion in the animations.

[@a.k8185]

@@Kreezos They are fine enough.

[@justsomeeggsinapot1784]

​@@a.k8185really? I mean they are so meh. Like the burn animation they didnt even try

[@a.k8185]

@@justsomeeggsinapot1784 Oh, i meant the gun animations.

[@justsomeeggsinapot1784]

@@a.k8185 oh, yeah at least the guns are up to par

[@DaRealBruner]

As a massive fan of both Left 4 Dead games equally... Back 4 Blood is an incredible *disappointment.*

[@carljohan9265]

B4B is made by turtle rock. L4D1 was created by TR but fixed by Valve to actually be good, and L4D2 is pure Valve.

[@Xenorvya]

@@carljohan9265 "To actually be good" I dunno about that. The game looked much scarier and better in the beta.

[@carljohan9265]

@@Xenorvya the beta L4D1 didn't have the Director, AKA the reason left 4 dead still has a sizable playerbase more than 10 years later (and also, incidentally, B4B doesn't have the Director either). There were also other things here and there that were different, but I don't know all the details.

[@sewerboio_0]

@@carljohan9265 its a skeleton crew of sweats who kick you if you make the tiniest of mistakes

[@Hectorbarbosa1777]

@@Xenorvya ur op

[@gouravsinghrawat361]

L4d2 gives some unique feels idk why. Playing L4D2 on weekends with friends is just enough to make our weekends! As well as B4B is too expensive I guess 🤔

[@LogandiSFM]

Don't forget it's made in Unreal 4, so part of that money will go to Epic. Instant no no for me

[@oscarriveraabal9390]

Yeah, game isnt worth 60 bucks. Will probably pick wwz next week and wait b4b to be on sale and have more content.

[@ChongIllustration]

My Nokia 3310 explosion is stronger than the new pipe bomb 1:23

[@WolfTamer]

Even with all the gore and with no mods, I love how L4D still feels pretty goofy.

[@DarkCloudGather]

I think the word we are all looking for is *GRIT*. L4D has the sound, environments, impact, satisfaction of killing the zombies, etc. While B4B looks like a neutered children's game that's afraid to offend. CrowdBCat always makes videos about modern games or a sequel being neutered like that, the most obvious example is a franchise like Gears of War.

[@nickspencerfishingrodd2383]

well, i don't think a zombies has to fall into pieces in order to make it feel good.

[@attractivegd9531]

I remember the 1st time I played L4D, I was absolutely shoked by the quality of it. I still love this game to this day.

[@taylorbrown7426]

the left for dead noise when a horde is coming is iconic, just hearing that made me remember the amount of times i would pick up any items i could and book it with my friends to the next area because a horde was coming

[@spartan11payne]

Honestly B4B had a lot of problems but my #1 issue is the "modern game with snarky characters," trope that makes dialogue cringy as hell and makes them impossible to actually bond with. It's similar to how Battlefield 2042's characters just... ugh. I'm tired of the "heck yeah I am the le epic boss!!!1" type of characters. The cast of L4D and L4D2 have more heart and character than almost every modern shooter character.

[@kingol4801]

I fully disagree. For personal reasons, I will take amazing “larger than life” characters over “random nobodies” any day long.

[@jose7518]

@@kingol4801no one agrees nor cares, as seen by the lack of engagement and likes in your comment. Get out.

[@AudiRS6power]

L4D2 was way ahead of its Time A Timeless Classic i say

[@glakc66]

Left 4 dead будет лучше 1) Дедам понравится 2) Стоит не дорого + постояннык скидки 3) Потому что потому

[@taskedsc]

GamePass тебе в помощь, там он очень дешевый. Да, придётся платить каждый месяц, но зато это лучше, чем отдавать 2к

[@makahalol1160]

ещё + системные требования меньше

[@davidking59108]

5:10 Don't shoot that car! (Hits car) DAMMIT!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ZealotChemist]

In L4D, the weapons sounded so powerful, and the recoil reflected that. When I shot zombies, it felt like I was shooting monsters that actually used to be human. In B4B, the weapons sound kinda underwhelming, same with the recoil (doesn’t reflect power). Shooting at the zombies also looks underwhelming, like you’re shooting generic squishy monsters. I had high hopes for B4B, and I think it had a a lot of potential, but I’m glad I didn’t buy it.

[@Indurok]

The zombies in L4D also still looked human, and even had distinct features, such as their clothes and job uniforms, their hair, and facial structure. In B4B, they all seem to look exactly the same with nothing unique about them.

[@Gib0]

The recoil alone is god tier, but what sold me was the infected's reaction to being shot. My favorite being when they take all the shotgun slugs and they get sent flying backwards. I don't feel nor see that shit in B4B.

[@Dartnitt]

I was so excited for b4b but devs clearly didnt know what made l4d such a masterpiece.

[@boogameow]

I don't even know myself what makes l4d good. Its just when I played b4b I was just not enjoying it, but as soon as I switch to l4d I can still play the original campaigns with randos and have fun.

[@Dartnitt]

@@boogameow For me L4d just has his own unique atmosphere, really good music, every special infected has his own creepy music playing in the background. Gameplay is simple but if you spend enough time you can master a lot of mechanics and can learn to bhop, skipping ledges etc. Combat also was a winner in l4d for me, more advanced gore system and every weapon feels different. There are also a ton of details, special voice dialogues between characters if you interact with some environment and a lot of graphical ones you can check on yt. Overall b4d just didnt introduce anything innovative in comparsion to l4d, a lot of infected have copied and pasted mechanics from l4d, also they all look similiar to each other. I just expected some more from a 2021 game (12 yrs older than l4d2 btw) especially for that ridiculous price

[@oscarriveraabal9390]

Its the little details. For exsmple for what i have seen of b4b specials not only dont have music (ok if you dont want to copy 100% l4d) but they dont really make much noise either, there can be a tall boy around the corner and you wont know until you turn around it. Hearing the specials gave tension in l4d. Other thing is the impact of the pipe bomb or the molotov , god even the guns in general felt more impactful in l4d, dont need for hitmarkers to know you hit something with a shotgun blast. Gore was more noticeable, maps seem to have more routes in l4d, etc. I will probably end up buying b4b when it is at least half price if it is still alive by then , cause 60 bucks is moronic and no sane person should waste that.

[@nickspencerfishingrodd2383]

@@boogameow in my opinion L4D is funnier cause it's way more fast-paced, while B4B feels way slower. i wouldn't say it's bad by itself, but it can be very boring most of the time