Leg Grabs Are Back in Judo! | The Shintaro Higashi Show

[@resolutedreamer]

Yes to adding Peter to the Logo!😊

[@Fallout-pv5lr]

The people want more Peter :)

[@MeroGrumble]

​@@Fallout-pv5lr Let's bring another Peter!

[@Sensei_Gaz]

Olympics is truly where martial arts go to die. So glad they've made the first step in reversing those ridiculous rules and aid in returning Judo to its former glory.

[@Parker8752]

While I would never want to get kicked in the head by an olympian tkd guy, it looks exactly like what I did when I was 7 years old "playing karate".

[@MUZA1875]

My sensei had us doing leg grabs in randori for first time today . He's an ex Olympian and feels there's a chance of leg grabs coming back in the future and wants the competitive guys and girls ready.

[@theprocess1993]

Same here at my club. I’m a white belt so I’m excited to be learning this from the beginning

[@DaDoubleDee]

@@theprocess1993 you get a LEG up hee hee hee

[@prvtthd401]

@@DaDoubleDee hee hee hee hee heeeeeh

[@argonunya8197]

Our dojo has combined judo, bjj and catch wrestling. The general approach is in line with freestyle judo rules. We also take part in a variety of grappling tournaments. I'm glad to hear that attitude is returning.

[@martinman3073]

The podcast episode we've been waiting for

[@nicktodd5294]

You mentioned that there will be more shidos and hips back to defend the legs, but watching the Olympics this summer, the fighters were all bent over, and already in those low positions. The idea of banning leg grabs to have bigger upright throws doesn't seem to have worked out anyway, so they might as well bring them back to add to the game.

[@TheNEOverse]

It depends. Its a bigger problem in lightweight Judo, but when you go above middleweight dudes are rather upright.

[@matawe73]

I never stopped doing leg grabs at my gym. I did made the mistake of teaching the throw first then drill as a counter Insightful info from Shintaro

[@RedNinja673]

As a Sensei, I am excited the leg grabs are coming back. This move will be taking Judo back to it's roots and a martial art. I believe without leg grabs Judo has began more of a sport.

[@drverabrown]

Yes, it would be wonderful for Peter to be recognized. I am a 54 year old green belt and 15 year old BJJ veteran, I have won BJJ masters world twice. I love judo so much however it is very difficult to find a judo program that has curriculum! My heart aches for judo.

[@jonasklumpp9519]

I have already talked about leg grabs in my club and with some poeple from a different club and everyone agreed that the rule like it is in Japan now is awsome. The fact that you need to first have a grip on the upper body is a great restriction because it eliminates conventional dives for the legs while also giving the option to grab the leg to either finish the throw you are attempting or do a traditional kata-guruma. I believe this rule gives way more options and variety to judo competitions and i think throws like the modern Kata-Guruma are not going to disappear. So basicly i would love to see this rule implemented internationally and i think it would be a great addition to judo competition

[@jordanburton4147]

I clipped those 3 drills and will begin incorporating them with my students. That Kouchi, Ouchi ankle/leg pick is money coming from a BJJ background. I started Judo in my 30s.

[@Ninja9JKD]

Glad the leg grabs are coming back. I would be down to go if I see a leg grab Judo seminar pop up nearby

[@MA-ji1iz]

Hell yeah. This is an awesome episode. As long as it doesn’t become bent over judo. Also, Peter is just as important to the Shintaro Higashi show, so, yes, put your name on it. You're important to the judo community. And totally right about LA 2028: The US needs to bring their A-game, and America has great potential from your wrestlers and BJJ scenes. That’s your style. Cheering you guys on from Canada.

[@renatoezon6352]

Here in brazil, many judokas Cross train in bjj. I did the opposite movement ( purple belt in bjj, now blue in judo) , and i think it took my grappling to new levels. There is a market of spectatorship and students in the bjj comunnity and judo should explore it

[@billyray9961]

When I first started Judo I learned Leg Grabs & Throws. Learned Korean Style 유두

[@chrisnkc07]

Very exciting new, I think it will breathe life into a stagnant Judo meta and I'm excited to spectate.

[@JordanHix]

Love the drilling ideas! Thank you Shintaro!

[@Someguywhocooks]

Listening to this during work makes me interested to continue my judo journey. I'm a BJJ purple belt, I studied abroad in Hungary and learned judo because the university provided it. Needless to say, I got hooked because I really want to improve my takedown skill because it needs more work. After graduating, I slowly adapt the judo game to my bjj and even got first place at a local tournament.

[@BalazsKovacs-pd9ie]

Where are you training in Hungary?

[@Someguywhocooks]

@@BalazsKovacs-pd9ie I used to train in Győr.

[@jeremy4155]

O-ochi gake combo and low kata-garuma are going to be the big game changers. Tai garuma is also possible as a counter now. That changes tactics.

[@gajorg69]

All love for Peter! If his name is on it I'll probably buy it!

[@angrydoggy9170]

An awful lot of the blackbelt judoka in my country are also training in a jiujitsu club. I know quite a few with a high degree in both disciplines.

[@fredeuhrbrand3789]

I tried to get back into judo as a young adult - but without Olympic dreams the randori was to much 'you can't do this, you can't do that' (stripping grips, leg grabs) I ended up in bjj But I miss somebody teaching me proper takedowns. I think this leg grab thing is my call to go back and take some judo classes :-)

[@diang1984]

The approach of putting in leg grabs just for the U.S market never came into my mind but makes a huge sense.

[@sparticusVI]

"It's not as disgusting" Thank you!

[@ornsteinsolaire1486]

Peter should 100% be on the logo. Shintaro's great as the face of the show but Peter's just as integral IMO!

[@kaesees]

Digging Shintaro and Peter's balanced look at this development, especially in contrast to some of the euphoric "this will cure cancer!" reactions elsewhere on KZbin and the goofy butthurt/shellshocked-by-2008/contrarian "this will kill Judo and be reversed within a year" reactions on Reddit. For the record, I doubt we'll solve the stalling/shido problems (two sides of one coin) with any additions or subtractions from the banned technique list so long as we want both 1) a winner by Ippon-or-ersatz-ippon and 2) a reasonably short fixed time limit . And giving up on one or both of these brings its own problems that people complained about in the past and would complain about in the future. You have to pick your poison.

[@KingOfSwords720]

The exact reason Judo doesn't do well in the US, and BJJ has taken off. To get the full benefits of Judo, you first have to lose ego. Then you can learn.

[@alexhdz1402]

And not enough schools

[@tiberiodigiorgio2032]

You Hit The Point!!! That's It . Judo needs a lot of patience and practice to learn It.

[@vittoriomaximum6548]

Yes with your name

[@Bigramt]

Thank the Lord, as I love leg grabs. It's a huge strength of mine. I'm finally going to make the Olympic team 😅😅

[@Anonymous_Whisper]

Living legend awesome stuff!!

[@Howsoonisnow2009]

LET’S GOOOO 🥋

[@politelyimpolite]

Please add Peter to the logo. We love him.

[@retroghidora6767]

I think there's a lot of potential to tap into groups that haven't normally watched Judo as a spectator sport, there's something in the air the past couple years. Mma fans, the bjj community, martial arts youtube (technique videos, Judo vs [x] other martial art videos, etc.) are interested. I'm not sure all the people interested are aware of JudoTV though. For as much effort has been put into social media and marketing I think more can be done there.

[@Whereforerejoice]

This is huge!

[@kameronmackie8115]

judo looks good fun never done classes before I think theres one close to me only problem is I got a few health conditions that won’t really allow me to go I know major bum

[@Grandsport12]

I grew up with leg grabs (I am 73). Going back to pre-2010 is not going to be a problem for me to teach new Judokas.

[@Haraldo-l7w]

“Not as disgusting!” That had me. Good one.

[@Leiska47]

Just started judo last spring. I had 2 years of experience from BJJ, but due to lack of tachi-waza in brazilian jujutsu i felt like judo would be the better option as an all-around martial art. My only disappointment so far has been that even in our dojo you dont grab a leg whilst standing. Hopefully this echoes in dojos around the world and we can start attacking legs.

[@NBTKDA]

For Olympic Taekwondo it seems that it's laid out in a similar hierarchy to Judo. Our style is 국기원 태권도 / 國技院 跆拳道 Kukkiwon Taekwondo. As an official sport of the Summer Olympic Games our International Federation is World Taekwondo (formerly World Taekwondo Federation). From there we have National Member Associations (Taekwondo Canada, USA Taekwondo, etc.) but the NMA for Korea, Korea Taekwondo Association, is where WT tends to test out rule changes which they then later roll out to the rest of the world or not. WT tends to alter the rules to be more exciting as we enter the 1st year of a new Olympiad, so I'm anticipating some changes in the first quarter of 2025.

[@808BJJ_Black_Belt]

Judo should have leg grabs to make it way more exciting 👍❗️

[@TheNEOverse]

Not really no. If you hate the Shido game, then leg grabs will make it worse unless they're vigilant about bullshit.

[@Anonymous_Whisper]

Leg moves and shoulder moves are my favorite

[@philosophizer1868]

Go Peter

[@terrykim2748]

How will judokas learn to teach leg attacks for bjj? The same way wrestlers learned to teach bjj - by letting the wrestlers naturally integrate into the bjj scene, which leads them to experimenting thru trial and error and figuring out what works, what doesn’t. Others patiently wait (3-5 years?) for them to do their thing, and voila, you now have college level wrestlers who’ve done no gi bjj for 5 years teaching how to do takedowns for bjj. Same thing with judo - let them experiment, give them time to try things out and figure it out. Invite more judokas to your bjj gym, train them and in due time, their knowledge will mold to suit your bjj needs!

[@MagickArmory]

Peter is the Andy Richter to Shintaro's Conan O Brian 😅 . Andy deserved to be included in the logo and name in my opinion so yeah Add Peter! 🎉

[@combatprinciplesmma]

In the US, nogi is generally more popular across the board, even with the 30+crowd. You see a difference with older school BJJ guys who are now older and prefer gi as they get older. As someone who is 46 and started BJJ 02, I very much like nogi because it's much easier on my hands and neck.

[@angrydoggy9170]

I can understand why they banned the leg grabs, but it can be seriously annoying at times. My daughter often gets penalised for reaching below the belt as she often has the hight advantage and when reaching over someone’s back she often goes too low.

[@MartialAlexLe]

Shintaro spoken like a true businesses man lol why doesn’t he apply for a seat in the governing body of Judo in the US?

[@Kuro12125]

I am in judo and my sister is in judo I like judo

[@Holidey]

Title idea: P.S. Talk Judo P and S stand for Peter and Shintaro. Like a little play on p.s. as in post scriptum. Also fits cause this is the kind of judo talk that wouldnt happen (at all or in this detail) during class 😊

[@luisdawnfinder3188]

No gi judo with leg grabs...I'd sign up instantly

[@jonmielke6781]

Cool! But then it’s just wrestling?

[@azazelreficulmefistofelicu7158]

​@@jonmielke6781"No gi Judo with leg grabs is just wrestling"? Only if it is catch as catch can. Wrestling does not allows submissions, does it?

[@luisdawnfinder3188]

@@jonmielke6781 No, wrestling is it's own ruleset. I guess it would be catch wrestling more or less, but still different from standard folk or freestyle

[@---tx9xx]

We have it

[@TheNEOverse]

Go find BJJ then, its got much of what you want.

[@bdpvip]

Great video! But It seems to me what the US has been missing is the strong primary school to secondary school judo pipeline, which so many other countries have. My own daughter has dropped out of judo 😢 because there’s no other girls her age to train with. This is a serious challenge for US judo.

[@MC-sf4ht]

Cool ideas, I hope this new ruleset will become a reality internationally. And on another note, how about "The Higashi and Yu Show" (apologies if I spelled names wrong)

[@kedah2398]

I primarily do Gi JJ and after 5-6 years of training and competing, I realized this starting on the knees is total BS! Now when it's time to roll, I start standing none of this on your knees junk. Because of standing I have fallen head over heals with Judo, I don't even care for JJ anymore. I literally travel around to different JJ academies just so I could practice my Judo.

[@iamabean]

Maybe it is unpopular opinion but i started judo when the leg grab had been banned so the leg grab will be something new to learn. So i am happy with judo as what it is now and not looking forward to the leg grab

[@TheNEOverse]

You won't find things to be too different. No grip range will be a new place... but just sprawl and you'll be fine. Some throws like Uchimata will need to be done more carefully. But otherwise just having good grips goes a long way to denying leg attacks. The better judoka will still prevail. Leg grabs do not often lead to waza-ari or ippon.

[@고래밥-q7o]

@@TheNEOverseI agree!

[@Anonymous_Whisper]

What does everyone think about the scissor kicks will it ever come back?

[@shannons1886]

50 years old next Summer. Coming back! 😂

[@blackfoxwp8330]

You should come to the club I go to in Idaho!

[@yera629]

Sí, por favor, que vuelva el morote gari y el kata guruma real.

[@boristuman8852]

What was the name of the "Most complete" grappler in his 50s Shintaro mentioned near the end

[@shannons1886]

Shannon Sofield 😉

[@boristuman8852]

@@shannons1886 lol real "speak of the devil" moment

[@Ninja9JKD]

Recently I ran into one of those Judo elitist that you were talking about. That and some other weird stuff, they lost a good student as I was looking to train there regularly. Sorry but Judo lost one to BJJ. Though I'll keep working on my Judo+ anytime we start from standing.

[@bctpcp9546]

Wow it didn't take long to go viral with these new rules

[@twistedcoffee1187]

Judo is not marketized(*commercialized?) in the US because unlike wrestling, Judo students cannot earn scholarship. Is what I heard from an american.

[@Dummdummdavid]

I completely agree. There are many chances for guys in school to try new sport by joining teams in schools or affiliated clubs. But most sport in schools are ones that have a college pathway, since most US colleges don’t have a judo team it isn’t seem as a sport that can provide a future for students.

[@retroghidora6767]

Maybe the real trio for Judo is Judo/BJJ/Sport Sambo? 👀

[@facts-never-lies3160]

Ok, is it only in Japan??

[@likukulo]

In my opinion... if the leg grab technique is revived, Judo will be able to find its original identity as a self-defense martial art

[@stephenpaek9175]

I have almost no knowledge or experience of grappling, but doesn’t sport sambo integrate wrestling, judo throws, and submissions?

[@TheNEOverse]

Sambo is wrestling and Judo yes, but Judo has submissions except for all leg attacks, neck cranks, some chokes and shoulder locks. Sambo allows a few leg locks, but no choking.

[@liamodaniel7518]

I would like to see Peter on the logo

[@sanjoyghosh9051]

Are you both showing your watches in this episode 😂

[@railtorail]

Te garuma baby!

[@BURGAWMMA]

"its a GOOSE Peter" 😃😅😂

[@bd0111]

8:51 - Shintaro's take - I agree 100% - And I'll add that nobody wants to have their nuts grabbed when they turn their back to attack - because that is all this is going to turn (back) into. How many people who complain about the lack of leg attacks actually trained judo when they were legal? And the ones who did, how many of them have good judo techniques?

[@---tx9xx]

Most and most to your questions.

[@railtorail]

It was the Japanese that originally called for leg grabs to be banned!

[@furiousfellow1583]

26:14 my man knows judo community 🤣

[@furiousfellow1583]

Maybe if we focus on the athletes and how fun it is to practice we will get more viewership, personally i dont know a single person giving a damn about judo that didnt practice it at one point in life

[@darkarrosoir6400]

que les prises aux jambes reviennent et vite svp

[@evankalis]

Hi

[@bloodline321]

The IJF has ruined the integrity of Judo by banning leg grabs and allowing penalties (shidos) to influence outcomes, which undermines skill-based competition. Meanwhile, Brazilian jiu-jitsu (BJJ) maintained its rules, adapting to and even defeating wrestlers who once dominated both Judo and BJJ tournaments. Over the years, BJJ practitioners learned to counter wrestling strategies, incorporating Judo throws and leg grabs, becoming a complete martial art for self-defense and competition. While Judo resisted evolution, BJJ embraced it, taking the sport worldwide through open challenges. The IJF’s failure to prioritize Newaza and rigid rule changes have hindered Judo’s global growth, unlike BJJ, which continues to thrive and dominate in mixed martial arts. Judo had the chance to lead, but it lost the fight due to stubbornness.

[@TheNEOverse]

Wrestlers never dominated BJJ or Judo lol, what are you on about.

[@he_ttpo6ul851]

Прям много шансов на это?

[@Howleebra]

Judo needs leg grabs, step out shido, minor scores and a kosen/giless divisions

[@TechnlcalTechnlques]

we got leg grabs back in judo before gta 6🤦

[@AdroitDojo]

We need to dissolve the IJF

[@t0mmyguns]

First

[@BURGAWMMA]

JUDO could easly corner the grappling market however it won't

[@TheNEOverse]

It kinda do though. Outside of the Anglosphere, its a huge sport.

[@BURGAWMMA]

@@TheNEOverse yeah just not in the USA

[@TheNEOverse]

@@BURGAWMMA USA, UK, Australia. Like I said, the Anglosphere. English speakers, Anglosphere. I personally think BJJ has trapped the market too greatly for it. Judo will not really take it back, BJJ is simply too accessible and well marketed.

[@BURGAWMMA]

@@TheNEOverse BJJ is easy on your body compared to Judo, that's a big reason for its success

[@TheNEOverse]

@@BURGAWMMA Yes, so why would Judo corner the grappling market? Wrestling doesn't either- its a scholastic sport that basically does not exist for hobbyists.

[@mskmadeit]

Imagine NO GI JUDO SCENE 😮

[@luisdawnfinder3188]

Sign me up

[@mvk4343]

no thanks

[@---tx9xx]

We have it

[@bloodline321]

Not an IJF fan! They ruined Judo. Even in the local circuits, you’ll have coaches yelling out to the referees… “ he stepped out of bounds”…” the belt it’s undone” … nothing with skills. They wanna win with Shidos. At least in Brazilian jiu-jitsu the only way you’re gonna win or lose is with skills. Points or submission. You see local coaches, wanting to win by any way they could. The rules are so restrictive.

[@kanucks9]

Plenty of stalling with an advantage in BJJ. But point taken.

[@CamerOneiric]

I would agree that it’s not great when local tournaments abide by the same rules. It’s not fun.

[@TheNEOverse]

No grappling sport or any combat sport is free from bullshit. Judo is no exception.

[@bloodline321]

@@kanucks9 depends on the tournaments. But at the end of the day, you’re not gonna lose because your foot went out of bounds and the other side makes a big deal out of it in Bjj. IBJJF deals with advantages. The other leagues don’t.

[@Yupppi]

Imagine the consequences if IJF went heads up with Kodokan and All Japan. If the Japanese for example out of protest left the IJF tournaments, I think the world would laugh at IJF. I struggle to think that someone in the world didn't consider Japan the Mecca of judo. Sure IJF can run the business but... There's no way the situation is comparable to Russia. Russia is definitely a huge judo country, but there was insane political pressure, partially regarding human rights and modern diplomatics (although people might ask how is Israel allowed to participate in the same light). For Japan it would only be authority headbutting by the board, not by judo community and nations for any pressing reason. And nobody thinks Russia is a foundational judo country. Imagine the ridicule when Japanese "IJF" athletes were winning tournaments left, right and center and underlining how childish and weak IJF's move was. From what under the table sources have hinted to some content creators like Judo Highlights and Chadi, it seems like IJF might be following Japan but in a less cool way. Like needing to execute a technique before grabbing the leg as a finisher. So you wouldn't still be able to do some classic cool techniques like the Japanese rules allow. But you could still do that ankle pick finish for ouchi/kouchi. I think Japan just nailed how the rules should be. I hope IJF will still adjust towards that before releasing the new rule set. But if they don't, it's still a step in the right direction. I love that Peter mentioned people who complain about judo being ruined for the sake of complaining. Because I've been wondering and I can't see those people coming back to dojos now that leg grabbing returns. They claimed they stopped because judo was ruined, but I bet there was something else. Because who stops practicing judo recreationally altogether just because part of it is not in IJF tournaments. That's ridiculous. They also vouch for martial art judo being real judo. And yet they never talk about striking in judo despite kata self-defense having striking. Etc. It's just running mouth, yapping, it has no dedication or motivation or commitment to the words behind it. Personally I just really, really want to see another one of those somersault kata gurumas like in some Grappler Kingdom's compilation video. It looked so nuts and impressive. But also safe oddly enough. A lot of the leg grab ban compilation video's throws looked so athletic and powerful, also by Grappler Kingdom. Just the extra assistance from grabbing the leg to finish a lift off or to stop the opponent from spinning to their side does so much in that perspective. And no longer shidos for grabbing accidentally below the belt. But what would actually be interesting is if they limited or banned drop techniques i.e. drop seoi nage. Funnily enough, we've been doing this warm up at my club for a good while where first round we do high grip like behind the neck/lapel, second round behind the back or over the shoulders and third round grabbing behind the knees. And then we modified it to one hand on gi and the other grabbing behind the knee/leg in general. People have already started learning nuances in leg grab gripping dynamics from the warm up. And despite my instructor being maybe 30yo, his go to technique has been that ouchi/kouchi ankle pick finish. Also last week we practiced some ashi waza and tai otoshi with no-gi grips (with gi on) because he saw one of us have friendly sparring with his freestyle wrestler friends after our training and wanted to give him some tools and practice for that. The olympics are just so stupid in management sense these days. Of course they need to make it somewhat of a business because it's such a negative thing and so few want to invest organising the event. But like if they chopped judo they could finally increase swimming events up to 30-40. It's also fascinating to me how US struggles to get athletes in the olympic judo. Like they just got two medalists in freaking weightlifting that has been "dead" in the US after crossfit became a thing. While there are so many phenomenal ex-olympic judokas and judo coaches in the US. "There's this singular grappling coming together" Japanese jujutsu. If you make it very injurious and bloody, borderline lethal, preferentially also striking, no gi and trashtalking, the American audience will love it and so many Rambos are gonna start doing judo.

[@mvk4343]

How is Israel AND the United States allowed to compete in any competition?

[@plamenhadzhiev]

We need to popularize no-gi judo

[@TheNEOverse]

Many try, but there's no market for it.

[@plamenhadzhiev]

@@TheNEOverse if *many* do then there should be a market. Just hasn’t been done correctly yet imo (marketing-wise)

[@Jota-j9j]

I shouldn't come back

[@mvk4343]

Russia shoulddn't have even been banned.

[@user-bd5ef2xv9l]

Wouldn’t Russian guys have the best advantage from this rule change due to sambo They never stopped practicing leg grabs in the gi

[@TheNEOverse]

Sambo does not have much in terms of leg grabbing. Its practitioners are literally Judoka themselves who could not quite hack it in high level Judo.

[@poleag]

Aikido has lots of 30-50 year olds practicing. And they do it without any scholastic or government funding. Can Judo learn anything from Aikido?

[@TheNEOverse]

Aikido also sucks at fighting.