Trump Gagged; Immediately Violates Gag Order

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[@LegalEagle]

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[@lawiseman]

I’m just curious to see the escalation rate 🥳

[@martingrimes1215]

He's going to keep violating it until he gets a day in jail so he can play the victim.

[@ricardosolano2559]

How can we know if he actually paid the fines?

[@bpc610]

Nah

[@Sableagle]

What I want to know is whether this can be taken as precedent for not fining anyone more than one millionth of their self-declared total wealth.

[@Neddyhk]

Remember everyone: Making anything punishable by a fine just means it’s legal for rich people.

[@hfar_in_the_sky]

I mean at this point Trump might just nickle and dime himself to death if he keeps this up

[@lazykbys]

@@hfar_in_the_sky I dunno, I suspect his supporters will donate more than enough each time he whines that he's been "unfairly sanctioned" and begs for help.

[@hfar_in_the_sky]

@@lazykbys True. I wouldn't put it past Trump to try and pull an Alex Jones. Guess then what this could be a buildup for is more severe sanctions or punishment in the future, citing a clear pattern of disregard for the law

[@scopie49]

@@lazykbys Maybe going homeless after donating their life savings to a billionaire is the wakeup call that they need to stop being Republicans. Not holding my breath.

[@asheronwindspear552]

Fines should be set at a minimum level then scale up with income/ actual wealth.

[@samc9133]

I feel like if I violated a gag order multiple times I'd just be in jail. Strongly doubt normal citizens would get so much special treatment. This whole thing is a joke.

[@roofdogblues7400]

If their goal is to make the court system look weak and ineffectual, they're doing an A+ job. Some KZbin lawyers used to talk about how scary being disrespectful to judges is, I just imagine how emboldened all future criminals will be from the example they're making of Trump with their lame responses.

[@Failedlegend]

@@roofdogblues7400 you have too be rich for it to work

[@NP-sd9md]

100%. The courts are materially assisting trump in his political campaign and fundraising efforts by stating a gag order and then staying it, or minimally fining him rather than applying the order like they would to a regular person who got on tiktok to talk about their case in a similar way.

[@theduder2617]

Your last sentence is EXACTLY why it is EXTREMELY important to know a candidate's goals/intent for the position they are running PRIOR TO VOTING FOR THEM. We the People, while lacking critical thought, voted in the people who passed laws which currently grant special treatment to the self admitted criminal. The public not being educated as deemed mandatory under a yet to be enforced federal law is the actual joke. The system works when the internal gears are not metaphorically rusty. Until we enforce the aforementioned federal law, we can not expect to fix that which is seriously broken.

[@yourmother6045]

Imagine the insane riots that would occur if Trump was actually arrested.

[@SicariiD]

It's so infuriating to see how completely toothless the "justice" system is when the target is not poor.

[@edopronk1303]

totally agreed

[@schloops8473]

exactly!

[@cody2930]

Not to mention extremely predatory to those who are.

[@richardkranium2944]

Spot on assessment. My attorney told me if you have enough money you can buy your way out of almost anything. Exceptions are bank robbery, sexual assault and murder.

[@ChuckNorrisIsNothing]

Dude there is an episode from Elementary thats set during the mid 2010s. Quoting (roughly) "(...) in the legal justice system, race and wealth play a far greater role than anyone would care to admit (...)" And this is from a fictional Sherlock Holmes series.

[@Diviance]

Any crime punished purely by fine should either have the fine be proportional to the person's net worth... or, once they pass a certain threshold, should just move into jail time instead. Because "legal for a price" just means it is only a punishment for poor people.

[@bardsamok9221]

100% - If you have enough cash, money is a get out of jail free card.

[@Stoyon]

Dayfines like several countries have, are great. A person is given X dayfines as the punnishment, the size of a dayfine is defined by the finances of the person.

[@magicball3201]

Ah, so youve learned about capitalism. Nice

[@victormendes956]

​@@Stoyonthey can also workaround that. They should break the person's financial confidentiality and fine X % amount of total $ in assets in their tax files or whatever is recorded in the system. But then again the tax system seems extremely effective when it comes to poor people, some powerful people could still work their way out of that ... I'm pretty sure their tax returns or any financial information tied specifically to their individual (and not sketchy holdings and companies) doesn't reflect their actual wealth.

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

Trump's net worth is negative though

[@SageVallant]

"If we'd had a jury it would've been fair." Your lawyers are the ones that didn't fill in the paperwork, man.

[@MaryReese-oy8is]

No m! the judge demanded A bench trial, thus no jury.

[@Failedlegend]

truth doesnt matter to him or his followers unfortunately

[@donnalogan3386]

​@@MaryReese-oy8isincorrect

[@Dutch3DMaster]

@@MaryReese-oy8is Yes, and it was LegalEagle who also mentioned that that same judge had that idea beforehand because of how it makes it a different case, but also told T***p's lawyers what the possibilities are to NOT have that type of a trial, what paperwork had to be filed for this, and what the time limit was for that, and they messed it up... They simply messed filing paperwork in time up, because they didn't understand the type of trial requested and the documents required to request a different type. This is on the lawyers of T***p, and given how he can now rally around that specific point, you would almost be able to say that it would be deliberate so he can target the whole process because T***p's followers believe without any doubt anything he says, but given how many lawyers are doing superdumb things you should know you should not do as a lawyer, we need to take the fact into account that they are just stupid and literally didn't know what they were doing, or what possibilities they had. This is on the lawyers of T***p, not on the judge, who basically laid out to them: "This is how you can avoid that" and they simply didn't.

[@Acorn_Anomaly]

@@MaryReese-oy8is The judge did not "demand" a bench trial. The plantiff filed requesting a bench trial, and the defendant never filed anything requesting otherwise. Since their request was unopposed, the plantiff's request was granted. The defendant could have filed the request at any time.

[@specialnewb9821]

Reminder, $15,000 is less than the price of his golf club membership. For rich people fines are a filing fee. Its gotta be jail.

[@cameronwalker294]

Yes. Put all the dems in jail immediately.

[@exodia_right_leg]

@@cameronwalker294 Bro got the capacity to speak but less intelligence than the dog. I feel bad for the little guy

[@billyalarie929]

@@cameronwalker294 wild that THATS the conclusion you came to for this comment. It’s almost like you literally didn’t, but rather, you just needed a place to nest this opinion that is entirely irrelevant to this video.

[@randomjunk1977]

I think every time he re-violates the gag order they should add a zero to the previous fine. See goe long it takes him to run out of money.

[@josephmath1]

@@cameronwalker294 Lets put all polititions in jail that lie under oath and break the oath of upholding the constitution. There, fixed your sentence.

[@akaiappears]

A person running for president should face a higher level of scrutiny, not lower.

[@defies4626]

The higher the level of wealth or power, the stricter and less lenient the scrutiny. As far as I'm concerned, if you're in national office and break the law, it should be presumption of guilt with you suffering immediate and maximum penalties. The most powerful should be the least free simply because there is too much risk of them misusing their power.

[@TheBrandoGR]

@@defies4626yes, this is how it should work. Sadly, not in America Im afraid.

[@Mr_Balls106]

@@defies4626Half of our elected officials would disappear 😄

[@bardsamok9221]

​@@Mr_Balls106win win

[@yulfine1688]

​@@Mr_Balls106pretty sure it would be a lot more than half which is a good thing and not going to happen.. He's being targeted on purpose he isn't controllable he runs his mouth too much and he's clearly not innocent entirely either but he never really said he was rather he just enjoys the same benefits systems etc everyone else uses and they don't like that. It's politically motivated either way.. Now if only we did the same to litterally every other politician in office..

[@Chiefs_fan1595]

I love how in his quintessential con man double speak he’s basically claiming it’s a violation of his first amendment to intimidate witnesses

[@JimmyKay1976]

What makes him a conman? Be precise.

[@xaf15001]

​@@JimmyKay1976everything? Like, he didn't even follow the gag orders, plural.

[@yulfine1688]

​@@xaf15001gag orders shouldn't be legal in the first place.. outside of that this is entirely politically motivated.. If you really dumb enough to believe that this has to do with justice or something I have no hope for you. We have far worse people in office who control everything and get away with it despite the fact we do know of the corruption and people let it go

[@joemarais7683]

@@JimmyKay1976 KZbin comments have a character limit, so it's impossible to be precise. The entire saga of Trump University would already be too much.

[@gjsharpe]

The whole charity thing was pretty gross

[@jamesuthmann940]

"When a Judge or lawyer tells Trump to do something, he does it." Laughed so hard at that line, I think I hurt myself.

[@ArDeeMee]

10 psychic damage right there.

[@eileene.5870]

Laughter is the best medicine, it appears that you may have overdosed 🤣

[@laurahubbard6906]

Just glad I wasn't drinking my morning coffee.

[@chrismaddox9884]

Except it's a true statement. Cope ans cry harder

[@Akab]

​@@chrismaddox9884as we can totaly see 😂 oh sorry, I forgot you only see the things you like(like conspiracy theories and the stuff trump himself says), you can't be helped then... 😂

[@muggsylauer2683]

A little reminder that Trump isn't on trial while campaigning, he is campaigning while on trial.

[@lolerie]

Other reminder the president can be elected from prison

[@declaniii6324]

Wtf does this even mean?

[@albertojaimes2985]

@@declaniii6324 It is a refutation of Trump's claim that it was a concerted effort to begin these trial proceedings during his campaign. Even if Trump was not running, these indictments would continue.

[@albertonishiyama1980]

​@@declaniii6324most of the trials he's on are old things, from before or during his govern (or trials about his leaving as the one of Marolago). They were in hold because you cant put the President on a civil trial and would happen the instant he's out of the White House. Saying that he is being "in trial during campaign" reverse the order of things, making it seem like Trump anounced his campaign first and them they sued him (what would make his claims of political conspiracy stronger if that was the case). Trump knew beforehand he would be in trial and choose to make a campaign anyway, not the other way around.

[@Brocuzgodlocdunfamdogson]

Mitch McConnell said it himself when he voted against impeachment. Let the courts decide it. Which is exactly what’s happening, regardless of whether or not trump decided to run for President again.

[@generaljellyroll8737]

"When you're use to preferential treatment, equality feels like oppression"

[@Brandon-ml2zw]

White collar crime is hilarious. These days a kid could steal a candy bar from the store and end up face down on the ground in cuffs if not tased or shot for “not complying” but this monkey can literally immediately disregard court orders and get a stern “ Hey, don’t do dat” with a fine amount that he probably has in his pocket right now. What a joke.

[@garfnob4832]

White Collar is a cool show thou.

[@not_avaliable]

its practical, if the judge is lenient with trump it gives him less room to appeal the decision if he loses, and would actually cause trump to open himself to more legal risk if he attmpted to do so

[@WT.....]

On the surface, it doesn't look like Trump is getting much punishment, but below that, it's really all just a waiting game. The easy bit is knowing that Trump is in the wrong. The hard bit is building a solid precedence (not evidence) for someone like him, that would ensure he truly doesn't get away. Look at it this way, by being lenient, it makes it easier for Trump to dig himself a grave, and harder to appeal due to bias/unfair treatment. A lot of the "Trump trials", are also new unprecedented grounds (e.g. no ex-president has ever been under trial for an attempted coup), one wrong move can easily kill someone.

[@garfnob4832]

@@not_avaliable but it make him less likely to lose, and shows the world that in the US you can buy "justice". to be fair most people already know that.

[@table2.0]

@@not_avaliableso you’re saying biased distribution of justice.. is a good thing..?

[@apjtv2540]

It's been said once, and it'll be said a hundred times more: Trump has every right to shut up, he's just incapable of doing so.

[@suicune2001]

Even when it's in his best interest. 🤣

[@internalizedhappyness9774]

His defense: “I am baby….”

[@Jacob24FPS]

That was Ron White about himself

[@JohnDoe-xr5is]

Ron White style joke: Trump has the right to remain silent....but he doesn't have the ability.

[@letterslayer7814]

just like his supporters

[@curiousKuro16]

Its so wild to me that "dont talk about the people involved in this trial" morphs into 'I can't criticize anyone while i have to debate them'

[@_Twink]

He got confused. The case is the people Vs donald J trump, so he thought all people everywhere were involved in the trial😂

[@artsyscrub3226]

@@_Twink I know you're joking but that sounds like something he'd actually think

[@siggybuttbrain7026]

@@artsyscrub3226 *sleepy joe would think like im not a trump supporter, but joe is 100% more likey to think that hahahaa guys on another planet.

[@KyleWyattOnGoogle]

It seems like trump is repeatedly gifted the most lenient judgments. We’re settling the stage for some supreme irony: The pyre on which trump will ultimately burn will be comprised entirely of olive branches.

[@austinestep8461]

I think the problem for these judges is if they do anything that could even be perceived as slightly incorrect against Trump it gives the possibility of an appeal.

[@Kaotiqua]

That is an amazing metaphor.

[@skeetsmcgrew3282]

@@austinestep8461 Agreed. In a way they are saving other judges from being forced to see his stupid face. Follow the most liberal interpretation of the law so appeals never happen. I also think a part of them WANT him to believe he is free to say what he wants. Of course the safety of witnesses and such is paramount, but by the same token... every word he says works against him

[@hunting69doehle62]

So true. Many of the wounds are self-inflicted. Had he returned the classified documents, even though they were not his, there would have been no charge of obstruction. Had he limited his verbal attacks and just said that the trials were politically motivated and a witch hunt, even though that is a lie, instead of threatening judges and witnesses, there would be no gag order. And the list goes on and on. Basically, all the judges ask of him is to show a minimum of respect for the justice system and obviously he is incapable of doing that.

[@RvEijndhoven]

@@austinestep8461 More or less, yes. The main thing is that, in order to prevent a more widespread and violent repeat of January 6th from the most rabid of Trumps supporters they have to treat him the same as any other defendant in similar cases and, sadly, the US justice system has been unreasonably lenient towards rich white dudes committing borderline treasonous crimes in the past.

[@dimitri1515]

All the judges are giving Trump very special treatment. Anyone else making threats would be in a world of hurt.

[@adamhero459]

All presidents get special treatment….

[@jlev1028]

​@@adamhero459That's the problem. No one should get special treatment in the court of law.

[@RedlinePostal]

@@adamhero459he’s not president

[@ANeMzero]

I really wish judges would be far less willing to set this precedent that somehow running for President grants you special privileges when this man has been campaigning for 8 years straight at this point, including while he was President. These decisions are basically just writing the worst person in the country a blank check to misbehave in court.

[@godlygamer911]

​@@adamhero459name one former president that got this level of special treatment when they were under investigation for 94 different crimes😂

[@kevadu]

Remember: So long as the only penalty is a fine it's not actually illegal for the wealthy.

[@Curt_Randall]

It's more like they are merely paying a small price for a license to violate gag orders and threaten and endanger lives.

[@wavestrider2160]

Hell they should bankrupt him while they're at it, god knows the guy doesnt have any other redeemable qualities

[@blankityblankblank2321]

depends on the price. 10k is nothing to them, but 1mil+ would be something.

[@ebnertra0004]

As the saying goes: 'Punishable by fine' means 'legal for a price'

[@RobBulmahn]

I think the cost should double each time. Eventually, it'll hurt his bank account enough for him to notice, and he seems to care more about his net worth than anything else.

[@wjniemi]

Running for office does not confer extra rights, it imposes extra responsibilities.

[@neilbiggs1353]

It would be interesting if someone tried to make it so that people in public office or running for it would be subject to the harsher limits that the Gentile ruling seemed to require lawyers to follow. It would make sense, it feels like a perversion of the first amendment that it is being used by people in power to lie and abuse people.

[@Dawubbz]

It really should

[@ADavid42]

you can bet the people in power legislated themselves the hell out of those responsibilities.

[@Nanook128]

​@@Dawubbzwhy should it? Edit: to clarify, I thought the person I was responding to was advocating for people running for office to have additional rights, not additional responsibility

[@Myoron]

Because they're running to be a representative of the nation trusted with the power of the nation. Insert spiderman quote.

[@TheRealScooterGuy]

Imagine being the lawyer who, while keeping a straight face, must face a judge and try to convince them that the client's verbal attack on court staff is protected speech.

[@tazman5129]

Don't worry. His lawyers are just as diluted as he is.

[@decwow]

It is, though. 🤷‍♂️

[@TheRealScooterGuy]

@@decwow -- Don't count on it. Even the 1A has limits.

[@connorbranscombe6819]

@@decwow You're gonna be in for a bad time if you ever try that in a court, look up Criminal Contempt.

[@adrianhjordan1981]

Tell you what, it wouldn't be the worst idea in the world if Politicians were legally forced to campaign only by talking about themselves and their policies and were actually barred from attacks their rivals!!

[@MrGoesBoom]

That would be amazing and how it should be...don't tell my why I shouldn't vote for the other guy, tell my why I should vote for you....but that would never fly. Nevermind something revolutionary like making it so you could only accept donations/funds from individuals, not organiztions or corporations ( and in the case of senators and representatives, only funds from those who actually physically live in the district/county/state you represent ). If you REALLY want to get radical, how about term limits. We have em for the President for a good reason, but the rest of the government can keep going in perpetuity as long as they can get votes.

[@daltigoth3970]

@@MrGoesBoom Talking about themselves and their own policies has worked just fine in the past. Bill Clinton didn't attack Bush or Gore and won against both of them. Obama generally didn't trash talk his opponents either. Biden only really got down and dirty because he didn't have much choice. The republicans in recent history have often been the ones slinging mud, trying to win by tearing their opponents down as much as promoting themselves. Trump was all smoke and mirrors with regard to his own policies and value, but gained popularity with the right because of how much dirt he was throwing at everyone else in the primaries. Hillary was an easy target in my opinion,. She had already been publicly smeared and labeled by the right-wing conspiracy nuts with all kinds of insane theories, and that's why Trump was able to win the first time around.

[@cubed0724]

Lol, if that were the case, the democrats would have nothing to campaign on.

[@Echidna23Gaming]

I don't know how you could enforce that, but that is certainly a good litmus test for a respectable candidate. Regardless of your notions about RFK Jr, that is one thing he has excelled at. Focusing on his policy positions and refusing to engage in any inflamatory attacks or discussions about the other candidates.

[@panzerschliffehohenzollern4863]

​​@@Echidna23GamingKinda hard to do that nowaday when your opponent get an entire state worth of vote just by talking trash about you. Campaigning is a multiplayer game, not singleplayer. You might not do it but your opponent sure as hell might.

[@Xgya2000]

Trump heard "gag order" and just thought it meant he wasn't allowed to joke about it.

[@Dlstufguy2]

Does everyone who has not been given this level of freedom from the courts now have grounds to sue? I've heard of people put in jail for looking at a judge wrong, vaguebooking about a divorce, people rotting in jail for years awaiting trial for much more minor crimes.

[@crabman3144]

I have a feeling that, no matter your political leaning, this and everything else surrounding Donald Trump will be a case study for law students for decades to come.

[@laartwork]

Also a "how did this happen" (answer: DNC forcing Hillary in as the 20th Presidential candidate despite her overwhelming unpopularity)

[@rickmolton3057]

Absolutely 💯

[@janemiettinen5176]

If nothing else, it will be an example on how difficult your client can be; being on the same side doesnt shield you.

[@teelo12000]

When I was in law school, a guy in my class bragged to everyone how he was taking a case to the supreme court that would set a precedent we would all be studying for years to come. It took a couple years for his hearing and I lost contact with him after the first year, but eventually I did remember and looked it up. He lost his case, horribly, and his case was indeed used as a precedent - as a reason why his argument doesn't work lol.

[@nothanks9503]

No we only have a country for another year

[@eldibs]

Trump's lawyers have an interesting conundrum. On one hand, they're obligated to fight against the gag order, but on the other if they could get him to follow the gag order and be quiet for the first time in his life, it'd make their job of defending him easier.

[@paulwilliams2663]

Whilst comfortable in the knowledge, they won't get paid

[@johan.ohgren]

Damn happy I´m just labourer and not a Trump lawyer @@paulwilliams2663

[@JimmyKay1976]

Except that he's running for president &this is all politically motivated

[@larrymunn5279]

@@JimmyKay1976 You missed a small but glaringly obvious point in the video that great concessions are being made to allow this guy to run a campaign for president during a criminal trial. Something I should never even have to type. The only political motivation here is on Donald's end. If he doesn't make president he's finished. He will have no legal protection.

[@ecchidragon8038]

@@JimmyKay1976 Nope.

[@TAP7a]

The real crime here is forcing us all to see the image of Trump in a ball gag. I’ll never be able to unsee that

[@xXevilsmilesXx]

😂

[@crabcrouton]

That image is seared into my mind now!

[@Spikeland]

😆😅😂🤣

[@ArDeeMee]

You’re welcome?

[@sorensouthard927]

Yeah, my immediate reaction was utter disgust.

[@alantheinquirer7658]

Trumps lawyers: "He didn't mean it." "No one read it." He still said it. He still published it.

[@empath69]

6,700 people is 'no one'

[@lolerie]

It is lawyer game. As Trump I would violate the gag for fun.

[@superleipoman]

That's dumb. As our legal eagle covered, while he only got $1000 fine for one of these violations, the conclusion was that Trump lied to his face. If you think that doesn't impact the trail you are very wrong.@@lolerie

[@Failedlegend]

attempted murder is still a crime, so is attempted threats, incompetence does not nullify your criminal behavior

[@lolerie]

@@Failedlegend well not if done internationally. Did you see the news today?

[@snyarf8882]

Now the image of Trump in a ball gag is burned into my mind.. thanks LE

[@odinfromcentr2]

Heh. Heh heh. Heh heh heh... Want a shot of whisky?

[@MatrixRefugee]

Just the way I want to see him IRL.

[@Alice_Fumo]

aight, ai image guys, you know what to do

[@jamesrule1338]

It was a choice.

[@Magpie_Media]

@@Alice_Fumo .. put trump in a furry suit?

[@daiakunin]

The legal strategy of 'leave no gag order unbroken' certainly is a novel approach to attempting to win a case.

[@maysee2515]

I wish his face wasn't still left unbroken.

[@bernhardlabus8511]

"if the Fake News reporting is correct" is such a great line. Please tell me a speech writer snuck it in as a gag.

[@paolovantassel1989]

I doubt it came from a speech writer. Trump's been described as just a guy who repeats what his followers say on social media and amalgamates it into a word salad that terrifies and confuses normal people, but to his cultists who have been trained to respond with rage to certain words like Pavlov's dog hearing a bell, it's "the truth that they establishment won't say". It's just that "Fake News" and "if the reporting is correct" are two phrases from the social media morass that his fever and coke crazed brain mashed together despite the fact that they're nonsense.

[@cocacola4blood365]

Maybe there's a Tokyo Rose amid his ranks.

[@dominictemple]

A fine for breaking the law is a license for lawlessness by the rich.

[@lollorosso4675]

Depends on the fine…

[@lollorosso4675]

They should adjust the fines to be a set percentage of personal income or wealth.

[@dominictemple]

@@lollorosso4675 now that would be fair and equitable.

[@technoturnovers7072]

good thing that trump is about to lose all his net worth then, lmao

[@wavestrider2160]

​@@lollorosso4675they should bankrupt him

[@pierrelindgren5727]

Forcing one of Trump's lawyers to personally approve any social media posts he makes before they can be published should immediately take care of most of the issues here. Either Trump loses his lawyers or he behaves.

[@dodixaverius9176]

If you watch devin making the tier list, you will probably know that the best lawyer simply refuse represent him because what he asked indirectly put them on jeopardy. Most of the A lister that Devin mentioned was getting that simply because they DIDN'T talk to the media rather than because they had done good lawyering. Even the best one who tried to cooperate and send every classified document from mar-a-lago was allegedly being carefully persuaded to leave some, and actually done not so thorough check when they actually turned the docs resulting a raid to fully extract all the top secret documents.

[@tonimi137]

You're assuming that his lawyers would actually do that. Their job, as far as they're concerned, is to do anything and everything that Trump says.

[@myhandlewastakenandIgaveup]

​@@tonimi137until your actions become unprofessional and damage your reputation in the courtroom itself. Trump is one client but they have an entire career to protect. Hell. WHEN trump admits guilt to something he hasn't been charged with yet they are REQUIRED to tell the courts...

[@PV013]

@@tonimi137 The lawyers may be more fearful of the judge then trump is.

[@Ericwvb2]

If you have been taking notes on how many times lawyers have lied or broken the law at his direction in recent history you would realize what a useless idea this is.

[@Vincent_Beers]

He needs to be hit with contempt of court and actually put in jail, escalate the length of sentence every time he violates an order.

[@yossarian00]

thats just for regular people, to every single one of these people, even the ones on the side of the law, we are fodder.

[@Sokar12345]

While I want to agree I think that's what trump wants. It would probably help his campaign since it would "proof" that they are out to get him and make him look like a martyr in the eyes of his followers. To really hurt him they should set the fines based on his reported net worth.

[@hanspecans]

The court only proves they are worthless by NEVER holding these crooks accountable when they break their orders. If it were you or I we’d be in jail instantly.

[@stevenpike7857]

Anyone on the street would have their bond removed and sent to jail until trial. I am sick and tired of all this special treatment.

[@cameronwalker294]

So, you're ready for Creepy Joe, Hunter, Nancy, Schumer, etc, etc to be jailed immediately? Me too

[@kennethriddle433]

Trump is the child that, when told they can't have ice cream for dinner, calls child services and claims their parents are starving them.

[@KlodFather]

When my son threatened to call, I told him, How do you think those missing kids get on the milk carton?? He put down the phone and that was the last time I heard that crap LOL. He is 35 now and I live in his dog cage. I have a nice comfortable retirement and all the alpo I can eat ha ha ha 😱😱😜😜👍👍🤡🤡💩💩

[@LegDayLas]

And Biden is the child that was never told he can"t have icecream.

[@LiveFreeOrDieDH]

And when child services investigates and finds the truth, Trump is like, "I didn't mean LITERALLY, geez, you're being so dramatic. Let it go!"

[@Robert-oq8ye]

​@@LegDayLasand Trumpettes are the ones who can't let their god king get insulted without bringing up the other guy.

[@LegDayLas]

@@Robert-oq8ye I don't like Trump. Cute name though.

[@jacobiusrex6674]

The absolute irony of Trump calling anyone else a 'lunatic' is palpable.

[@BenedictMHolland]

Remember, monetary fines are only punishments for people who can't afford them.

[@twill9278]

$10k won't kill him, but I'll bet he has a lot less cash on hand than people think he does.

[@justincain2702]

​@@twill9278It's not even a drop in the bucket. He can get way more than 10k whenever he wants

[@billyalarie929]

This. This this this.

[@billyalarie929]

@@twill9278 rich people rarely do. That’s the thing.

[@SkylerKPHDtrustmebroUNI]

He'll raise another mil or two off playing victim to his cult members. This is NO DETERRENT, it's advertising ammo.

[@slightlycrookedworkshop]

I'd like the judge to get a list of all the people he's mentioned. Then have Trump's attorneys explain, separately for each person, how they're relevant to Trump campaigning for President and why Trump needs to discuss or insult them. Or even expand it to everyone involved with the trial.

[@cameronwalker294]

Yes, your side wants to jail anyone who votes for Trump and 'reeducate' us all. Sort of like 1930's Germany.

[@me-myself-i787]

I think the judge should get a list of all his public statements in violation of the gag orders. Then have the prosecution explain how each statement intimidates a witness or biases the jury. The burden of proof should be on the guy who wants to restrict freedom of speech, not on the guy defending it.

[@slightlycrookedworkshop]

@@me-myself-i787 You are 100% correct and guess what? That's exactly what Jack Smith did is his 32 page filing...Imagine that.

[@Zephyrion__]

I still don’t know why these judges are treating him with kid gloves

[@chrisjones5411]

Because Trumpy doxxes and weaponises his following to go directly after anyone that dares hold him to account.

[@Toonrick12]

Because he's white and rich. Need I say more?

[@Dazuro]

He’s thrown around so many accusations of corruption and bias for so long and has so many fervent supporters that anything else could be seen as evidence of a conspiracy against him. They need the case to be airtight to prevent further damage to our system. I’m not saying this is the best way to handle it, but there is a bit of logic to it.

[@Deh9o11en8or]

I disagree. his supporters will believe that no matter what, so you might as well just throw the book at him.

[@shayaltshue1791]

Presumably to limit the number of appeals he'll get on this

[@ilaser4064]

A candidate for POTUS should be held to a higher standard, not the opposite which seems to be the case here. "oh you're running for president, well go right ahead and baselessly make accusations against everyone that holds you to account". This isn't core political speech, this is targeted harassment.

[@edopronk1303]

indeed. Because he has had the ultimate authority, it can be expected people follow him earlier.

[@Hahahahaaahaahaa]

It's not a gag order if there's no actual threat of jail.

[@OnlyGetty]

A reasonable take? In the KZbin comments? Get outta here

[@GummyDinosaursify]

And no threat of jail if it's jail without the possibility of bail.

[@6StringPassion.]

"Believe me. I have the best tantrums. Nobody throws a tantrum as good as me. Many are saying they've never seen a tantrum as great as mine, perhaps even greater than Alec Baldwin"

[@jon9103]

For someone who claimed to be worth billions, $5000 isn't even a slap on the wrist.

[@sophiejones3554]

If he really was worth billions then you'd be right, but uhhh... he probably wasn't ever actually worth that much: hence the fraud trial.

[@shadowninja6689]

Yeah, the fines need to be proportional to both net income and net wealth, otherwise it's crippling for the poor and meaningless for the ultra wealthy.

[@dfreadhoff]

He paid more for his lawyers to be there than the fine. But it probably all will be paid from his supporters donations, so not even close to a slap.

[@RvEijndhoven]

@@dfreadhoff Given that it's Trump, that he paid more for his lawyers is not certain. Both because he's scraping the bottom of the barrel regarding legal professionals.... And also because he has famously refused to pay his lawyers in the past.

[@SuperYanzoo]

His defense keeps pointing out that he's running for president to keep him from being gagged. Why is a guy who has 90+ cases against him in the court even allowed to run for president?

[@Gruncival]

The more things that restrict the presidency, the more methods a political institution would have to play a dirty game. If being charged with a crime stopped you from running for president, there could be a future where political parties in power used their criminal investigation arm to prevent their key opponent from running fairly-the exact argument currently being used by the Trump team as a smokescreen for why he's being accused. It of course feels crazy in this circumstance because of how obvious and numerous his crimes are, but by principle it should be a tightrope to walk in giving accusations (or criminal charges) a limited power to interfere with people. Convictions, on the other hand, are used as a standard to limit privileges and rights. And currently, there's nothing that stops anyone who was criminally convicted (or even still incarcerated!) from holding the office of the President.

[@artsyscrub3226]

Well pretty much all of them are criminals one way or another,whats one more to the pile? On a serious note alot of his trials actually do run the risk of him being barred from running again, but thats if hes found guilty...which...might not be a strech

[@JoeMun]

@@artsyscrub3226your first sentence is insane.. they’re NOT all criminals, trump is one of the biggest criminals in the history of the United States. His level of corruption far surpasses anything in DC right now, he’s not just “one more to add to the pile.” Stop trying to make it seem he’s no less guilty than others. They’re not the same

[@FTZPLTC]

The claim that Trump can't campaign against Joe Biden if he can't threaten witnesses with impunity was pretty amazing. The refutation of the claim pretty much *is* the claim.

[@lantrick]

Classic Trump gaslighting.

[@someonerandom9939]

Even if he makes it that far it probably won't be Biden he has to compete with. I'm sure dems want to replace him with a more competent candidate. His entire job was just to get Trump out of there and lets be real it doesn't matter who it was anyone would win when they were running against Trump (unless you're Hillary (but even then she probably would have won if people got a free sample of his policies first))

[@TowerArcanaCrow]

​@@someonerandom9939personally betting he'll be overtaken by Harris.

[@Hjernespreng]

@@someonerandom9939 Most people babbling about Biden being "incompetent" can't ever seem to actually formulate an argument beyond posting gifs of Biden tripping or misspeaking, something conveniently never held against Trump by these same people.

[@urgae9125]

@@Hjernesprengtbh, Biden is pretty incompetent, but he’s a hell of a lot better than Trump. He’s a far better speaker and walker than I am, though, so that makes me extra incompetent.

[@Not_Always]

I always love how Trump assumes he is 'winning' the presidential race despite not a single primary being held, a single ballot cast, or even any actual evidence that he is going to be the nominee for 2024.

[@dazedneptune]

Assuming he stays out of jail, he’s obviously going to be the GOP nominee. And unfortunately polls show that he and Biden are closely tied.

[@jesuszamora6949]

Well, he still is the frontrunner by a huge margin. His cult is gonna pull him through the primary, leading to an easy Biden win in the general.

[@TooLateForIeago]

Yet it’s one of the few points on which I would believe him. For the past several years, the Republican Party has displayed a near total willingness to enable even the vilest of his whims, up to and including stealing an election. The Republican Party is his plaything, and he knows it.

[@jesuszamora6949]

@@chrismaddox9884 You're doing another asspull.

[@TooLateForIeago]

​@@chrismaddox9884Which I find alarming. Pres T presided over a collapse of civil order and attacked democracy, and somehow that is preferable to the past 3 years.

[@ushere5791]

as beau of the fifth column says, a fine is just a license for the rich to break the law. for poor people, just existing is illegal. the only way to shut tfg up is to imprison him without access to media, social or otherwise.

[@bullpup1337]

well yeah in the US poor people are guilty of the crime of not having money, lol

[@ushere5791]

exactly. in the world's richest nation, too.@@bullpup1337

[@bast713]

Love Beau!

[@warlordofbritannia]

Based Beau

[@zyrathxerus8424]

There has never been a greater attempt to derail judicial proceedings by anyone. No one should be allowed to get away with what he has. If anything happens to witnesses, prosecutors, judges, or anyone else who opposes him, he needs to be held fully accountable. He's going to start a fire that will burn out of control.

[@jasthebaker]

"it's so unconstitutional that I can't threaten witness!!"

[@myrianrose3619]

He can't not crime. It's pathological. For how long are they gonna keep subjecting society to someone who can't not crime?

[@skeetsmcgrew3282]

"They" are nearly half of all people in the US. Clearly they prefer a criminal over someone who disagrees with their politics. You can't hate a system that truly enforces the will of the people. If those people happen to be raving idiotic lunatics, well that's sort of the main weakness of that system huh?

[@stevenboelke6661]

He's done it for literally his entire adult life. The surprising thing is that there is now a concerted effort to hold him to account (only for the most recent stuff). The truth is, he simply went too far. If it weren't for his efforts to overthrow the election, he'd probably be fine right now.

[@iamjustkiwi]

Until he dies, I'm afraid. It's really hard to close Pandora's box again.

[@iamjustkiwi]

@@hugespicyhuge there's not a comparison to be had between the crimes of the two (also Biden hasn't done any crimes unless you have some miraculous evidence the world doesn't) and to imply there is demonstrates a massive inability to think critically. And I don't even like Biden.

[@Krisowy]

hugespicyhuge...same with Biden what exactly? Cause after 3 years of nonsense conspiracies the republicans haven't produced a single shred of evidence of any crimes for Joe - not one legal court case or actual evidence.

[@DanSmith-fj1uw]

If this was anyone else they would be sitting in jail pending trial.

[@DaijDjan]

Trump basically saying his presidential campaign is seriously hampered by not being allowed to wish other people death is mind blowing to me..

[@SakuraPhantom]

What made you interpret that?

[@AsaTrenchard1865]

The audacity! Oh wait, that's exactly what our thousands of Ab-loving 5th-columnists are claiming, so it must be ok.

[@edgrimm5862]

Did you pay any attention to his last presidential campaign or the one before that? To me, the claim sounds accurate. I cannot understand why my father voted for the man three out of the four times (one primary, both finals).

[@russellstanley8884]

@@SakuraPhantom The part where Trump said John F. Kelly (his former Chief of Staff and a retired Marine General) was a traitor, and that they used to execute traitors. And then he complained that he can't "criticize" people while he's running for President.

[@aceman0000099]

​@@edgrimm5862most people vote for trump because he pisses off the very people that they want to piss off. He's a populist (although he completely failed to drain the swamp lol)

[@RealQuarlie]

Always great to see that there are still people willing to vote for a literal high profile criminal as their president 🙏

[@EfHaichDee]

He always was a high profile criminal. Literally nothing has changed.

[@MrRyan-wu4jx]

They’re all gonna be criminals to have gotten that far in politics. But Trump makes those other criminals look like Boy Scouts.

[@austin123457]

I know, it boggles my mind that people still vote for Biden.

[@lileinstein104]

​@@austin123457You're so edgy. Look out.

[@DR-hy6is]

@@austin123457 How did those impeachment hearings go, bub?

[@daverei1211]

The funny thing is, if it was any of us then we’d already be in jail now.

[@WASDLeftClick]

The fact that people still support this “man” and consider him some arbiter of truth makes me genuinely afraid for the future of our country and my own life and the livesof those I care about in the future.

[@cameronwalker294]

The fact that people still look at these obviously fake indicments and consider that there is any truth to them makes me afraid for the future of our country and my own life and the livesof those I care about in the future

[@orekihoutarou6107]

​@@cameronwalker294 It is ironic that you say that here of all places.

[@jameses4295]

@@orekihoutarou6107can’t agree more

[@ereegodofeternity9451]

Seriously. I try not to think about it

[@beehappyalways]

Same.

[@geekfreak5100]

If he was anyone else, he'd already be locked up for contempt of court. Saying witnesses, the judge, court staff are traitors, and implying they deserve death is pretty damn contemptuous. He is totally hoping one his supporters will be inspired to use violence. If any of us said the things he had about the court, there is no doubt we would be imprisoned. He has been shown a great deal of leniency thus far, but hopefully he will actually face some consequences soon... but I doubt it.

[@SakuraPhantom]

He is already hated by courts. He just didnt do anything serious at all prob aly didnt even commit a crime he can be sentenced for

[@haxie4516]

@@SakuraPhantom No, he did.

[@Jmg5594]

@@SakuraPhantomno…he has…he has done many crimes ..

[@SakuraPhantom]

The word you're looking for is "commited" and again you havnt listed any @@Jmg5594

[@SakuraPhantom]

yes I know i spelt that wrong

[@venanziadorromatagni1641]

I honestly do not understand how anyone around Trump or even the man himself can stomach that load of toxic, nauseating speech day after day after day.

[@LiveDonkeyDeadLion]

He gives them a lot of money and promises (lies to their face) that if they look after him, he will look after them

[@ckorp666]

you should hear my alcoholic family when a brown person pops up on the tv

[@patrickoligney6647]

​@@LiveDonkeyDeadLionPigboy Dumbhump couldn't pay me enough money to betray my country.

[@Lusk1993]

​@@LiveDonkeyDeadLionexcept he notoriously never pays

[@blankityblankblank2321]

money

[@TheSYLOH]

Imagine going into trial for civil charges and leaving with criminal charges

[@cameronwalker294]

Imagine going to jail for over 3 years for walking through a building and doing no damage? Almost a 1000 from J6.

[@the_last_ballad]

​@@cameronwalker294 a peaceful walk that resulted in people killed, more injured, a gallows erected, and weapons brought with express intent to interrupt a government function. Crazy how the people who left when the mood of the crowd shifted avoided criminal charges, but the people who stayed and joined in were charged...

[@dracos24]

While uncommon for the wealthy, its quite common for those lacking means.

[@jorgelotr3752]

@@cameronwalker294 You do realize that death threats accompanied by a break-in counts as attempted murder, don't you? Also, AFAIK about all countries have some legislation that criminalizes intruding on governmental facilities in order to disturb the rightful undergoing of governmental procedures. Doing damage to the building (I'm not counting the dead policemen and the extraction of documents, which dd happen) would just have been the cherry on the top. It would be like allowing a burglar that brutalized a senior citizen in the victim's home just because he cleaned his shoes on the doormat in order to not dirty the floor.

[@Fucisko]

@@cameronwalker294 Imagine being you lmao

[@kaik168]

I don't think he has abided by any of the *multiple* prior gag orders he has been issued, it's a complete and total shocker he violated this one. Who could have seen this coming?

[@dr.zoidberg8666]

Infinite money glitch: Tell Trump he's not allowed to talk about something, & charge him every time he talks about that thing.

[@joelewis3446]

You know it’s bad when Fox News turn On Donnie 😅

[@Warrior_of_Fire]

And to really squeeze out every last dime, charge the demon pumpkin by the word (spoken) or LETTER (written).

[@onslaught147]

Infinite money? Trump is having difficulty paying his lawyers. Even getting finite money from Trump is difficult.

[@SavaFiend]

@@joelewis3446 have they turned on him though? My dad watches Fox News exclusively and they still seem to be riding the Trump train.

[@johnny_eth]

Oh, so that's why we have high inflation???

[@ravenward626]

I like how they admit they can't run a successful campaign without the ability to attack their opponents. It's almost like their strategy is not to put forward a platform for voters to support, but rather to make themselves appear like the least worst option.

[@possum104]

So the guy that didn't abide by the constitution because he says taking the position of POTUS, he did not swear to support the constitution, wants us to honor his constitutional rights? Got it. (which is being done, BTW)

[@YodaWhat]

But of course, the irony of your statement and the hypocrisy of Trump and his supporters, is lost on Trump and his supporters. :-/ For their benefit, here is the definition of Hypocrisy: _Hypocrisy is the practice of feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not. The word "hypocrisy" entered the English language c. 1200 with the meaning "the sin of pretending to virtue or goodness". Today, "hypocrisy" often refers to advocating behaviors that one does not practice. However, the term can also refer to other forms of pretense, such as engaging in pious or moral behaviors out of a desire for praise rather than out of genuinely pious or moral motivations._ -- Wikipedia

[@craigejacobs]

@@YodaWhat too many big words for MAGAts to understand.

[@YodaWhat]

Yes, sadly, often true. Big words really do seem to confuse them. I wonder what the overlap is among the several sections of the population who espouse the various crackpot beliefs? Oh, the ironic floccinaucinihilipilification!@@craigejacobs

[@claudiavalentijn1457]

and: too many. The sentences are too long. And there's interpunction.@@craigejacobs

[@claudiavalentijn1457]

and no pictures.@@craigejacobs

[@TonyHulk]

It's crazy how pathetic our justice system is

[@MrGoesBoom]

For the rich by the rich

[@solidzaku2]

I want Trump on the stand 24/7. The clown can't stop incriminating himself.

[@meldroc]

Any gag order needs to come with a physical gag. Trump is physiologically incapable of keeping his mouth shut.

[@namantherockstar]

Biden inspires me.. My parents said if i get 70K followers They'd buy me a professional camera for recording..begging u guys , literally Begging...

[@V3x0r]

@@meldroc Don't forget the chinese finger traps to stop him from texting too.

[@edwarddormond]

And he is going to be the next president, sorry pal

[@Scriber42076]

​@@edwarddormondyou said that last election. Then cried when he lost.

[@nerdygem8620]

As frustrating as it is that he's being babied by judges, I think they have to be careful to not appear too harsh or it could jepordise the case(s). Imagine the stink his team and supporters would kick up if they hit him with the full force of the law.

[@edopronk1303]

it's probably true and very, very sad it is that way.

[@jaydisqus3353]

Yet, he's still walking free. He's right, we have a two tiered justice system.

[@etherealicer]

Yeah, as long as he is not convicted this is all useless theatrics.

[@cameronwalker294]

We do. He's being attacked for nothing, Creepy and the dems are walking free and laughing at us after committing crime after crime.

[@MuiKaHo]

ofc hes walking free, have you not heard about innocent until proven guilty?

[@craigejacobs]

@@MuiKaHo Critical thinking fail buddy.

[@SharienGaming]

@@MuiKaHo funny - related question: are you one of the "lock her up" or "hang mike pence" people? just out of curiosity... just to establish your own position on that "innocent until proven guilty" statement

[@cloud9847]

Hearing the court talk about not wanting their staff to be killed shows me they are taking this as serious as they truly need to be and that they understand exactly how insane his support base can be.

[@edopronk1303]

and than the fine is $5000 resp. $10.000. They lost me there. There should be at least one zero behind those numbers if they were serious.

[@HebaruSan]

I don't understand how things like not biasing a jury pool aren't automatic; his first penalty should have been a night in jail.

[@mike9512]

Trial lawyering 101, 'DO NOT PISS OFF THE JUDGE!!'. I learned this from LegalEagle; I'm so glad he is now covering this one. I pray that the judge actually backs up his words and holds Trump accountable, but that might be asking for too much.

[@jaguarj1942]

Seems like this rule of not pissing off the judge is straight up false. Trump has repeatedly shown extreme contempt for the court but has yet to face any real consequences.

[@stefanied3219]

Omg this has gone on way too long. Treat him like others who are on trial, put him jail, no phone, and make him wait in time out alone until the case is done. Or I guess treat him like the spoiled teen from hell that he is and legally ground him in jail for the time. I would also like it if he received a lecture from some old school grannies that will backhand him if he tries to get rude.

[@edopronk1303]

yes! certainly that last part. He is just a big time school bully

[@DanielBrotherston]

At what points does he actually start to suffer consequences for his behaviour? What is the point of these gag orders if they don't enforce them. When he breaks them he should be held in jail to force his compliance. If he isn't, then they don't mean anything.

[@Destroyer_V0]

Evidence of his contempt for the legal system. Potentially stuff like this is just adding to the ever growing hole trump has dug for himself.

[@JoeOvercoat]

He makes money off the fines through fundraising. The court knows this, but pretends otherwise.

[@FlameUser64]

The point is to destroy public perception of him by revealing him to be the petulant child he is, and to make sure that any judge who tries to overturn the final decision loses all credibility by doing so.

[@laurawonka-hardisty83]

He was OBVIOUSLY flouting the judges ruling to see how far he can push it and what possible consequences there would be ..

[@bryana8357]

If the law provides for special treatment for a candidate for President what is to stop every defendant appearing before the court to declare himself a candidate in order to claim the same treatment?

[@lyinarbaeldeth2456]

Well, they also have to be rich, white, cis male, and Republican. It's a very special free pass for very special people (the oligarchy).

[@Sunless1337]

​@@lyinarbaeldeth2456Doesn't need to be Republican at all.

[@roofdogblues7400]

@@Sunless1337 To be backed by a bunch of murderous thugs, you do.

[@Sunless1337]

@@roofdogblues7400 I guess the Clintons have always been Republicans, then. 😂

[@Sunless1337]

@@roofdogblues7400 Your second statement was also an irrelevant response. Hate Trump, but don't just spit out whatever.

[@misspat7555]

How these judges are just like “Yeah, death threats, I get a lot of those, a lot of people want me dead, part of the job, I’m well compensated for the hazard, but leave my staff alone! 😡”. Hardcore! 😳

[@RizoftheDead]

When Trump uses terms like 'woke' and such I can only see him as an old geezer in a retirement home that learned some new words from his grandkids and tries to sound "hip to the kids these days"

[@Mario583a]

How do you do fellow retirees?

[@thomasallen6980]

He is such a bore. Just lock him up already before we all fall asleep watching his temper tantrums.

[@SamGrant-jm6mz]

​@@thomasallen6980he's most likely going to win the election and if he is jailed there will be hundreds of thousands of his followers who are extremely radical who will be out on the streets.

[@lynnestamey7272]

Yep, and you can include his weird dance with his fists up like a boxer? His stupid dancing across the stage? Oh, dang that reminds me of Kimberly Gargoyle dancing on stage, acting like she's all that! Gotta go bleach my mind now!

[@Dancingonthesun]

It was chatgpt that hid my pills

[@NATIK001]

I am all for free speech as an idea, but sometimes as a foreigner from a country without free speech specifically and broadly codified into law (to be clear we have many speech protections, but not a broad "free speech" law as such), I often times can't help but think its a mistake to make such a broad guarantee in law. So many cases exist where speech is directly harmful to others or at such great risk of causing harm to others that I am uncomfortable with this constant struggle to show direct effects and what not. In my view Trump should have been taken into custody as a clear and present danger to witnesses and court staff long ago.

[@VitaeLibra]

Free speech is not guaranteed/protected to the extent you seem to believe in the US. trump just gets away with it because he's trump

[@maromania7]

Oh, he absolutely would have been if he wasn't incredibly rich. This isn't a failing of free speech, as anyone else would've been taken into custody for this a long time ago. There are exceptions to "free speech," and freedom of speech still holds you accountable for the consequences of said actions. This sadly isn't an issue with the laws, it's an issue with corruption and rich people getting to pay thier way out of anything.

[@dgmarie]

The issue isn't when speech is harmful or has a risk of causing harm, that's far too vague and would lead to serious censorship, I think that saying things for the purpose of harming others should be illegal (like defamation, a violent threat, organizing a crime, etc.) Also saying things that you agreed to not disclose is wrong, like if you signed a contract, but there should probably be more rights for whistleblowers. Excessively limiting speech doesn't help anyone except a corrupt government, especially not in the US because these changing attitudes towards the constitution have been terrible for the people living here.

[@ArDeeMee]

We don’t have free speech laws, because we can just speak. Americans apparently need special permission to, it’s their extremists‘ safety blanket.

[@trevinbeattie4888]

That’s an interesting aspect of the U.S. Constitution and its amendments - that it is written in broad and simple terms - and is probably a product of having mostly been written in the 18th century. Federal laws can be tailored more specifically, and beyond that it’s left to the SCOTUS to determine whether laws are permissible by the Constitution or how to deal with issues where constitutional rights are in conflict, e.g. to your point the right to freedom of speech (1st Amendment) vs. the right not to be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law (5th Amendment). The few US state constitutions I’ve looked at by contrast are much more verbose and tailored, though to be fair these generally deal with cases not covered by the federal constitution.

[@firemedicpgh]

Trump: I don't like those partisan judges! *Spent most of his presidency appointing "partisan judges."

[@thexalon]

His understanding of things is best expressed by Bender B Rodriguez: "This is the worst kind of discrimination - the kind against ME!"

[@JeremyCoatney]

"...but without cameras in the courtroom, I don't know if he said it with a straight face" makes me laugh but also if that was said with a straight face I feel like that's a powerful poker face game

[@whobitmyname]

I can't look at Trump without picturing a 50-foot, gold-plated Homer Simpson laughing maniacally at the law as the fines bounce harmlessly off him.

[@zubetp]

super insulting comparison. people actually like homer.

[@ThatOpalGuy]

@@zubetp homer loves his family.

[@Suzy9MM]

​@@ThatOpalGuyI mean....Trump certainly does "love" his daughter...

[@whobitmyname]

@@zubetp touché, just referencing Homer so people might place the image. 👍

[@JargonMadjin]

@@zubetp Chad Homer, Virgin Donald

[@larrywalsh9939]

I don't see why anyone thinks a gag order is going to work against this thing - it can't control its own behaviour, it can't tell the truth, and it can't behave in any way other than as a sociopath.

[@urieldaluz250]

I mean hey, if the trend of doubling the fine every time he breaks the gag order continues, he may genuinely run out of money by the end of the case.

[@sledzeppelin]

The more laws he breaks, the more tantrums he throws, the more his drooling supporters love him.

[@cameronwalker294]

The he refuses to bend to the bananna republic tactics of this illegal admin, the more the we sane people love him; that's true

[@delphy2478]

they've already convinced themselves that all opposition to trump, including established laws, are just personal attacks that are politically motivated, and therefore they can be safely ignored or should be removed. they are quite frightening because of how absurdly black an white they paint everything, where it's either in support of trump, or a traitor. If this was harry potter the trump supporters would be sneering at people and calling them mudbloods and blood traitors.

[@scottdavis3571]

@@cameronwalker294 Not because you love him for some reason. It's because he has a gag order.

[@Oblivisci........]

​@cameronwalker294 Be honest with yourself, if you (and other intellectually stunted subhumans) ACTUALLY thought the election was stolen you would have started a revolution years ago. You know it wasn't stolen.

[@InAVanByTheRivr]

​@@cameronwalker294lol obviously youve never actually read a single detail of his stories beyond the headline if your fav "news" source. Diving into court transcripts, the evidence of the trials, clips of him talking montaged against himself, even legal eagles very videos doing for you and are easily watchable if you cared about the truth.... Its freaking comically bad. The only people who support trump are idiots, mentally instable, or the politically apathetic who just like the controversy and drama.

[@CurriedBat]

I love how he starts yelling his points out whenever someone in the crowd challenges him. Just a child of society, this one.

[@falcon048]

Right. I am going to say a few obvious things. 1) If Judges are so hesitant about putting T***p in jail for violating his bail or gag orders...then why do we believe they have the conviction to put him in jail...if he is found guilty? 2) There is NOT one single case that anyone can cite where a criminal, charged with any of the crimes T***p is indicted for, got their conviction overturned on appeal because the Judge in the case issued sanctions that were too hard when the defendant defied court orders. 3) We ALL know, because we have seen similar cases with other people, that jailing a defendant before trial is not only legal but in many cases prudent. There is absolutely no reason T***p should not be jailed pending trial. Unless....we agree that he deserves preferential treatment. Which, in so doing, means we agree that Justice is not equal in the eyes of the law and justice is by far not blind.

[@TheACcam]

I've been saying this since the J6 incident. Anyone else would have been in jail immediately following the event.

[@skeetsmcgrew3282]

I will always use Al Capone as the perfect reason for all of this. It's not about Trump getting preferential treatment, it's about rich and powerful people having the resources to clog up the system and find loopholes. These judges are trying to be careful so he doesn't get let free. Of course that's technically preferential treatment, but that's what seems to be required here.

[@VineFynn]

Why are you censoring the word Trump?

[@lukasg4807]

Throwing the a top presidential canidate in jail (whether you think he's #1 or #2 if the election was held tomorrow) before the trial is finished is a terrible idea unless he's running around killing people and robbing banks. Even if you think it's justified you'd be risking an actual insurrection when half the countries favored president gets locked up and stopped from campaigning. Most likely it would just be a bunch of civil unrest, but jailing any very popular political canidate from either side with a large core of ardent supporters would probably result in turmoil and even some deaths. Imagine if in 2008 we threw Obama in jail for possession of weed after he won the democratic nomination. These days with less trust in the government it would be even worse.

[@samt3412]

​@skeetsmcgrew3282 yeah, they kinda have to lay a long siege against Trump rather than an all-out assault on the metaphorical city walls. Hopefully, this one doesn't end up like Vienna.

[@maxwellduncan3555]

I Had the Right to Remain Silent...But I Didn't Have the Ability

[@justindenney-hall5875]

@maxwellduncan3555 Ron "Tater Salad" White🥔🥗🤣

[@rambofan334]

@@justindenney-hall5875 "I was drunk in a bar, they threw me into public. I don't wanna be drunk in public, I wanna be drunk in a bar, which is perfectly legal. Arrest them."

[@Xenobears]

Good ol blue collar comedy Ron White… “I didn’t know how many of them it would take to kick my ***, but I knew how many they were going to use… and that’s a handy bit of information to have!”

[@CorporalHicks8]

More proof that the justice system is two tiered. Rich and powerful people have their own rules. I hope the stress of these trials shuffles him off this mortal coil.

[@Astradi]

This is what happens when you give a hundreds of millions to one of those "sovereign citizen" types. Their fluid perception of law is built around how it helps them, and very little else.

[@FuaConsternation]

I was fascinated by the 'sovereign citizen' spiel until I did a little research into their history and found it always devolves into them monetizing their 'fines against LEOs' as fiat currency they use to defraud others with basically counterfeit money. edit: that's besides the overwhelming evidence these losers mostly trash the justice system simply because they're all dead beat dads trying to get out of alimony

[@theunwelcome]

I wish one of these judges would enforce the gag order with an actual gag, that'd be hilarious

[@darthfinality]

Its both sad and amazing that his supporters will just let him stand there and lie to their faces like that.

[@adamhero459]

It’s sad and amazing that you do the same thing for who you support. Outside of municipal politicians, pretty much all of them lie or greatly mislead voters.

[@Defiring]

@@adamhero459 I don't think people who vote for Biden or whatever worship him nearly as much as people who side with Trump. Trump fans have made a cult. If Biden insulted his voters tomorrow, they would all turn against him.

[@runakovacs4759]

@@adamhero459Personally, all I care about: Do they oppose russia? Do they fight for LGBT rights? Do they fight for reproductive rights? Do they fight for equal rights for ethnic minorities? Do they fight for freedom from religion? If they do, I vote for them. This is why I vote for Momentum Movement and oppose Democratic Coalition (zero effort for LGBT rights), oppose Fidesz (they are enemies on all acounts), oppose Mi Hazánk (enemy on all accounts, actively genocidal law proposals), oppose Magyar SZocialista Párt (zero effort for all but russia opposition), Jobbik (enemy on all but russia), Magyar Munkáspárt (Enemy on all but religion and ethnic minorities).

[@LeafHuntress]

@@adamhero459 You're thinking binary, which is sad, but unremarkable with the horrid First Past The Post system that the US has. It isn't for nothing that the USA is classed as a _flawed_ democracy. Just know that there are countries out there with other voting systems that are more fair, where every vote counts & politics is more about finding solutions to the problems that we as human beings face than "yay, my side won!" But even inside the US your statement that all politicians are the same is itself a lie & extremely unhelpful. I think it was Minnesota where the Dems held a small majority, but managed to get through a slew of proper legislation, while in Tennessee Republicans voted in favour of marrying 12 year olds to adults, in another state to let 15 year olds serve drinks, in another to let children work in slaughterhouses etc. etc. They even couldn't get their own *House* in order. So kindly stop lying, thank you.

[@Iris_1217]

@@adamhero459 Honestly I'd argue municipal politicians lie too, and it's way more important, on average, when they do - because what they do affects their voters on a very personal and direct level. While there are certainly some Biden supporters who accept everything he says at face value, most of the ones I've run into are critical of at least one of his administration's policies. The issue with Trump is, while I've met moderate Trump supporters (Mostly those who voted for him as a political outsider and have since distanced themselves when it turned out he was just as much a swamp creature as everyone else), there's a *lot* of people who still hold fast to what he's saying and take everything at face value. One of my favorite things to do is to listen to Trump's speeches be given by an AI, or someone who isn't him, because honestly when you take away his voice and affect, it really starts to be clear he's just making word salad.

[@notaturtle561]

Usually when you get contempt of court you go to jail

[@emPtysp4ce]

Because if there's one thing Trump loves doing, it's violating.

[@animeartist888]

Got a lil snort laugh out of me for that one.

[@dh1380]

I would not wanna be a judge on any of these cases. Respect to them.

[@NP-sd9md]

No respect to any of them. When a normal citizen is in front of them they put them in jail and effectively force them to forfeit their jobs and family. When a politician is in front of them they blame freedom of speech and let them campaign on their crimes. No sympathy for a broken system thats happy to continue breaking itself.

[@FrankiePhoenix]

Trump always gets so upset when he has to follow the same laws that we do. If he really wants the law to come down hard on criminals, he should just stop fighting. President-Law-and-Order all of a sudden doesn't like the rule of law now that he's not in charge. Tough.

[@Kaotiqua]

If by "all of a sudden" you mean "Since the beginning"...

[@adamnevraumont4027]

The law exists to protect one group and not bind them, and bind their foes and not protect them. This is standard right wing legal theory.

[@Jodabomb24]

the right doesn't care about hypocrisy. "rules for thee but not for me" is their bread and butter

[@BayonetRed]

Do you know what you're saying? Lets take orange man bad out of it, for a sec, A judge just told a man he couldn't criticize someone. The judge didn't say you can't can't kill someone, the judge told him he couldn't say words. You should really think about what you're cheering for. It might come for you one day.

[@sjs9698]

@@BayonetRed there are known consequences for a man like him crtiticising another person (let's ignore for now how rarely his criticism is reasonable) - trumpo called out his VP & on jan 6th an angry mob assembled with the clear intent to hang him... there's legitimate political criticism, and then there's inciting your (cult-like) supporters to do harm. that trump never (rarely?) overtly calls for violence does not excuse him from the violence his words can incite. he has a responsibility as a massively public figure (and a cult-leader) & allowing him to act reguardless of the effects of his actions is madness. also & ofc: his accusations are rarely founded in reality, must we excuse the dangerous & untrue statements of a man whose followers are already found guilty of various acts of violence against persons & the state? yes, fine, i like the idea of the first amendment, but there are good reasons to find fault with speech that directly endangers others.

[@elvinjonas5451]

Poor or middle class gag violators would be jailed, but judges are not allowed to jail rich and powerful violators under our system.

[@daniexists6]

By this point, it genuinely feels like Donald Trump is trying to go to prison to get martyrdom points from his base, and I hate that he'll most likely get away with it.

[@cl8804]

he's trying, they are just refusing to oblige

[@Dexter037S4]

@@cl8804 He'll get murdered within an hour the moment he enters general population lmao, he's going to some cozy 5-star resort for rich offenders when he should be in Gitmo for basically feeding the Russians info for 4 years and being a puppet to Moscow.

[@tuna5618]

Trump wants to go to prison so that someone can write a book about him. A biography maybe about his personal tribulations, it could be called "My Struggle" or something.

[@AFMountaineer2000]

And when he violates the order all he does is pay a fine. Which makes what he does is legal with the fee. Put him in jail for violating the order.

[@nathamiell]

I can't help but wonder if it's even possible at this point to find enough people to make an impartial jury, given that it seems as though nobody has a neutral opinion of him.

[@Tothro]

It's flabbergasting that we are having this conversation about a person that should first and foremost have a hard time finding a lawyer willing to represent him.

[@candacen7779]

He has had a hard time finding a competent one. All of his lawyers now are basically trash. Or at least the ones who keep appearing on TV.

[@player400_official]

If we were to assume additional rights for political candidates, then every person being indicted could just run in some election and get those special rights

[@zorod5475]

Made derogatory statements about RFK and now someone has broken into RFKs home. Just to point out what his words can do beyond Jan 6th.