Yeah OK, Calm Down Grimgor. It's only turn 19

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[@yanz2759]

I sent in this request, and I would like to say just a few things. This was given pretty early in, near when they came out and I didn't really know much about how they work. The reason I had force marched was because at the time, Grimgor had only one army at that settlement and I didn't realize they had a waaagh, so I was more than willing to defend a settlement battle. Thank you, LOTW, for saving the battle for me!

[@bruhlord1118]

Damn, I've had similar issues. Not with Chaos Dwarves specifically, but sometimes I see just one army an think 'easy enough', then I get over there and its a surprise party of death ready to end my campaign.

[@bighoss1860]

@@bruhlord1118 This is why you dont just rush over without scouting with heroes first, because most of the time they are hiding an army in the shadows and the army you can see is just to bait you over. The AI has two ambush abilities, its ability to actually swap stance into ambush, and its ability to know exactly how far you can see so it can hide an army just outside your line of sight.

[@IllustriousCrocoduck]

It's obnoxious when they go to attack you and suddenly have that waaagh army.

[@nate22i]

did you manage the Kholek battle afterwards? hahaa

[@thomasconti3536]

What did we learn?

[@jsrazz1]

The ammo repleneshment on barricades honestly makes sense. Realistically in a siege a defending army would have ammo stores in certain areas. So it's an exploit that makes sense to me.

[@rudolfrudi5452]

too bad CA hates legend with a passion so they will likely fix it after a video such as this comes to their attention

[@Vasiliy_Nikulin]

@@rudolfrudi5452 Somewhat unlikely. Back at launch there were little to no reason to attach a unit to barricades (detrimental even, due to LOS obstruction) so they were later changed in an attempt to make players use them for that purpose.

[@M4xCarnag3]

Yeah, this mechanic is actually 100% realistic and should apply to ranged units on walls as well. I would even go a step further and say that the ammo shouldn't actually deplete from the unit at all, and instead come from a cap on the structure itself. Even in modern warfare, when defending a hard target there are usually ammo cans, and fully loaded magazines located at key defensive positions, so a soldier wouldn't reach for a magazine on their person until they had already depleted the ammo stocked there.

[@Zoey--]

To be fair for the ammo exploit I can't imagine defenders running out of munitions. Especially in a manufactory!

[@neweden.]

@@dxbrasky Legend never shys away from exploits and cheese, it's a part of the game and he didn't use any external software or mods, whether or not that is "cheating" is debatable.

[@Eliwood29]

​@@dxbraskyEltharion grants his army infinite ammo is that cheating?

[@ddandymann]

@@dxbrasky Not when it's a mechanic put in the game by the devs, that makes it an exploit. Cheating is where you use external tools like console command mods to win, exploiting is when you use unintended mechanics to win.

[@gustavosanches3454]

tbh CA couldve done a better work with the "supplies" aspect on sieges, like you could send ammo to your units using this fair and square

[@Shizandgiggles37]

@@dxbrasky that’s not cheating lol relax white knight

[@Rebound1234]

Ahh, this looks horribly familiar. In fact this is what usually happens in my campaigns. I stomp some warriors of chaos, Grimgor wardecs me somewhere around turn 15-20 and his boot goes up my heiney.

[@Skidnoski]

ArtOfSaveScumming has an Astrogoth video that gives a step by step first few turns that talks about dealing with grimgore. I used to have the same issue now his hardboys dont even see turn 20 lol. trick is to trake out his starting settlement asap then he'll just gobbo spam at you cause that's all he can recruit

[@jamieeddolls5605]

lore friendly grimgor in fairness

[@howdareyouexist]

good

[@JeneralMills]

same here, he pushed one settlment short of my main capital from the north east and then slowly pushed him back when all the chaos factions dogpiled him as well. Astragoth is definitely a challenging campaign!

[@LordZoth6292]

You are easily one of the best strategists I've known. There are SO many units in this game that I always just feel overwhelmed and watch videos instead of playing. However, you are able to retain the info of strengths and weaknesses of units, who would be best to fight who, and still cheesing the AI to fall to your beck and call. You are incredibly impressive my friend and would easily have been a general in the Great Roman Army if you were part of that society.

[@CrimsonUltrafox]

He's a veteran of the Great Australian Emu Wars. Man's seen birds cheese people with guns.

[@alexscholz3438]

@@CrimsonUltrafox Legend looked at the emus dodging lewis guns in the emu war and went "what if I did that to artillery"

[@Tristan-2016]

Grimgor really does seem like the Chaos Dwarf skill wall. Either you learn the Chaos Dwarfs enough to beat him early game or you get trampled, but if you do beat him it’s really hard for anyone else to stop you. (And he really does just gun straight for you if you are either faction near him with his WAAAGH!!! ready)

[@donglerongle3109]

in my first campaign grimgor destroyed me. kholek was my ally and kicked grimgors ass a few times with my help. i gave up on that one. in my current campaign, kholek destroyed grimmy and he's my ally so it's been pretty easy now.

[@marcgw496]

I am doing ok keeping Grimgor at bay for now as Drazhoath. If only I could commit more than one army to taking him out. But I can’t because everyone and their mothers to the west is at war with me also.

[@Tristan-2016]

@@donglerongle3109 me and kholek just looked at each other and decided to go opposite directions, so I had to clean up Grimgor AFTER he apparently ignored kholek AND conquered most of the northern half of the mountain range. Came out of nowhere so I had to get a second army to stamp him and his two other doomstacks out REAL quick.

[@Tristan-2016]

@@marcgw496 played Astragoth and most people ignore you or just aren’t a threat till you go far enough south. But Grimgor is bitch whichever side of the mountains you start on it seems. Zhatan is only one who won’t have to deal with it (assuming you don’t get the Ork crisis)

[@needmoarinternets]

The common thread in chorf disaster battle submissions is that the armies are not 50% blunderbusses Rookie mistake

[@semi-useful5178]

Blunderbusses and Fireglaives seems to be the call.

[@onri_]

@@semi-useful5178 With atro, that first section is a bitch, I had a failed campaigns before my successful one I got majorly hurt then Koleck and Grimgor declared war on me and I was dead, but in my next one I managed to catch a weakened Suneater, then got declared on by Grimgor and ambushed his armys but I had to bounce up and down fighting Koleck and his Vassel and Grimgors hordes eventually killing both and I hadn't even bought a single unit for the forge so it was all hobgoblin and ROR with the starting bluderbussy

[@onri_]

Also Imrik became a one man doom stack and even 4 fireglaves and 2 blunderbusses couldn't kill him (until i reloaded the save gave them magical attacks to bypass his Physical resist)

[@semi-useful5178]

@@onri_ Build tall with the Chorfs.

[@8heimdall8]

legend makes everything easy ! even the hardest battle is easy for him ! it s simply amazing to watch

[@undeadpyxel]

Had to restart my Astragoth campaign because all ork factions around me basically declared war on me really early on and kept sending Waaagh armies after my capital. Being sandwiched between Grimgor on one side and Wurzzag and Skarsnik on the other, and having to constantly fight off armies with twice my numbers with basically nothing but laborers, magic, and some dwarf units, while slowly building up capacity for better units, was one of the worst and most frustrating experiences ever.

[@Woodrow512]

Yeah Astragoth has a pretty tough start, Drazoath I feel is best to start learning the faction cuz you only really need yo deal with Tretch and Imrik early on, and Imrik takes some time to become dangerous

[@PenguinWithInternetAccess]

​​@@Woodrow512Idk about that Grimgor came fully powered up with a few stacks on my drazh campaign around turn 20 man does not screw around Although it was manageable because he was my only enemy Thorgrim was busy bonking Skarsnik

[@daxl505]

Drazoath has the hardest start ever. If you play very hard or legendary once u wipe out Tretch and Imrik. Thorgrim and Skarnik will rage and come after you so does Helman Ghorst and the ogres. I recommend to start with Zathan as he can only get attacked by armies coming east or west. And you can easily control the east of the map once you wipe out Vilich.

[@PenguinWithInternetAccess]

@@daxl505 Granted it was on hard so i guess it might not work as well but you can secure a temporary alliance with greasus by trading some settlements taken when you have to fight Grimgor, and him and Ghorst will have at each other for some time

[@IllustriousCrocoduck]

I really think they should tome down the diplomatic penalties against chorfs. It's just obnoxious on all three lords in their shitty locations. It's not that it's a challenge, it's just irritating. Even Zhatan, who seems okay, just end up sandwiched between Cathay and Grimgor with huge distances across his territory.

[@dr.karmatsky]

Why the timer didn’t show up after the enemy took central point of victory?

[@LegendofTotalWar]

that only happens in walled sieges. in minor sieges the enemy has to capture all supply points which means the defender only has to hold any one position.

[@dr.karmatsky]

Thank you for the answer, I didn’t know that. Could you please tell what’s the difference between “manage large armies” before battle on or off?

[@LegendofTotalWar]

@@dr.karmatsky each faction can only bring 20 units or 40 units to the battlefield at a time. in a siege defense its easier to defend if the enemy comes at you in smaller waves but the battle takes longer.

[@FF009A]

I don't know why or what, but something about "Don't make me hit you with this, I'll do it." in that monotone voice absolutely slew me.

[@Kaiimei]

I like that despite the fact that it's a really early campaign and restarting is fully an option, you still take the save on because it's a good showcase of how Greenskins can really kick your teeth in early-game.

[@inertjohnjunk]

I think he only has the upgrades on because Grimgor is sieging him. That's what I would do at least. I personally wouldn't assume he's running two hellforge upgrades from turn 19 and on. You can after all turn them off again.

[@valentinbalbinot5054]

The blunderbussers when they can't shoot from a perfect line of sight: "Professionals have standards" Grimgor got literally shot point blanc on this one, this isn't war it's an execution !

[@OldBaldWookiee]

Grimgor is a real pain in the ass for the chorfs. I see what you meant when you said you recommend taking him out asap. Even if you smash him down to his last settlement if you don't finish him he WILL be back and WILL make you regret it

[@poolsofbloodinyourstomach]

Capital letters make this a SERIOUS comment

[@bighoss1860]

Thats all factions if you dont finish them, you might get peace but you still have -200 relations so its only a matter of time(10 turns) before they wardec you again, its just especially more annoying with greenskin factions because they will recruit two armies from one settlement then waaagh and then wardec you 1 turn before they fill it completely. ALWAYS wipe the AI, NEVER leave them on one settlement.

[@OldBaldWookiee]

@Big Hoss not every faction. I've had a few that once they only had one settlement left wouldn't try to attack me again . I think it has something to do with the difficulty you play on and how strong your faction currently is that determines the AI behavior on this regard but from what I've seen if you are chaos dwarfs grimgor won't ever ask for peace at least not that I've seen .

[@ryanwilson5834]

Did anyone else have the video freeze while the audio continued between around 24:50 and 25:30?

[@blaaaghy8300]

Thanks to you mentioning Instant-Gaming I started off with buying Total War 3, a bit of a big buy to get all the races but I'm already saving 50% on the base game so a good start off point.

[@svenbrede6151]

Why did legend get 1600 supplies at minute 23:13 when he capped a point?

[@MetalDrummer141]

This is every Astragoth, Zhatan, Kholek, Greasus, Zhao Ming, any campaign who starts within 10 turns of movement from Grimgor. His anti player bias is so goddamn extreme in 3 its ridiculous. He will make a beeline to come and ruin your campaign with often times much more than just these 4 stacks. His cheats are wild, he brings Boar Big Uns and so many Black Orcs to every fight well before he has any right to have them. I've had him come and destroy me out of the blue playing as Mazdamundi because he rampaged through Cathay (lore accurate) and took the Sea Lane to Lustria

[@pizleg4203]

Yeah this is the reason i go straight for Grimgor ASAP

[@RichyN25]

Grimgor either gets really strong really fast, or he gets nuked by a nearby faction, there is no inbetween lol

[@savednorwegian]

This happens every time you dont kill Grimgor early. But its so damn tedious and you meet all ogres, rats and the cathay which declare war -_-

[@nocomment6421]

Finally a good old disaster Battle

[@JeneralMills]

I did not think that possible, Good work Legend

[@leibster789]

That's why you should always demolish blue building as Astragoth and build cannon one turn 2. Having just 2 magma cannons turn 6 make fights like this much easier

[@czareknowak5805]

This is 100% lore acurate, you are defending in the factory so you have infinite ammo. xD

[@adriankoch964]

That was a nice battle! It's good to see when the sieges kinda work in a fun way and not penalize the player.

[@deskslam4232]

How are you do get the colors like that though? For the units, your green isn't lime green, and your red is nice and dark. I like it.

[@WhispearsofPadme]

Blunderbussy, holy fuck that made me laugh

[@Izznogood76]

Its impressive what you can do with a chokepoint and two units of blunderbusses

[@geraldbawisk4465]

Just a question are the total war servers extra laggy of late? Also nice fight.

[@Gabberag]

Grimgor is now the biggest D in WH3. has anyone noticed how alliances now empower your allies instead of weakening them? I played a Kislev Campaign, allied with Astragoth and Karl Franz and they're painting the map all by themselves. Im also getting bad crashes that crash my whole computer to restart. And anti-player bias is rampant. how come Kholek can go through Ogre territories he's at war with just to burn down my Chorf Settlements? wtf bro

[@Lucayen]

Hey, Legendoftotalwar. I'm pretty new to the game, but I've noticed that when I put guard mode and fire at will the blunderbusses won't shoot. Is this a bug or intentional?

[@LegendofTotalWar]

check their line of sight. they're short so even a slight hill in front of them will stop them from shooting

[@Nethingispossible145]

The hell-forge mechanic should not have an infinitely scaling armament cost imo. At a certain point it’s highly unrewarding to own 100+ settlements but not even have enough armaments to recruit another blunderbuss because you already have 30 of them in play on the map. I understand making them expensive, but the infinite scale doesn’t limit the chaos dwarfs ability to be successful and win battles/campaigns it only limits the players interest in playing that campaign any longer. This is literally my only complaint about Chorfs and I hope either CA or a modder introduces a solution to this in the not-so-distant future.

[@pascaldifolco4611]

@LegendofTotalWar I've heard that Waagh army gets wiped out when the "lord" unit is eliminated

[@therealfsh]

Some one said dey liked da end times 'Ant 'ave that

[@m.m.3783]

The second battle looked far more interresting. I'd like to see how you sort it out. ;)

[@VenomGamingCenter]

So how does the restore ammo cheese work?

[@danmartinac3266]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I think Astragoth has the same voice actor as Grombrindal. I keep looking for Gromby on the battlefield when he spoke

[@tsarovich2394]

Bloody Legendary battle and such a fluffy one to watch

[@brianhall4182]

For some reason units seem to be unwilling to shoot even more after the Chorf update.

[@fleischerkalle7198]

Yeah I noticed that too, in some chorf caravan Battels the enemy artillery won't attack my army

[@krakraen343]

oh no not my blunderbussi

[@adriankoch964]

CA should consider giving siege defenders a passive restock ability too, maybe at tier 3 and above. Ofc that only make sense if walled settlements are gotting actually defensible & they change the two victory points. Either by the better point nullifying if the lesser get capped, or by not having the lesser give out tickets at all.

[@blakehall9391]

omg! blunderbussy might be the best thing ever to come out of this game

[@Azmodian]

What's the ammo replenishment bug? Just walking on and off a barricade? lol

[@dangbar200]

I sense a hellforge upgrade Tier list video in the works😊

[@Captainwow11]

Is the ammo replenishment when defending a barrier intentional at all? Is it supposed to be limited uses and the effect is broken?

[@ashesofaranea]

its certainly not intentional

[@stillbaomatsuo]

Legend at work. Verry Naise~!

[@Sarum9nich]

It so painful to see Legend not using Flaming Sword on bluderbusess. it will give them more missile damage and fire attacks and debuf enemy with fire weakness.

[@AvengerAtIlipa]

Flaming sword only affects melee.

[@Sarum9nich]

@@AvengerAtIlipa no it doesnt.

[@0NoName9]

As Astragoth, get any diplo bonuses you can with Chaos etc. DO NOT fight Kholek.

[@osamausmani1522]

when guys complain about the blunderbussys not shooting but refuse to move em out of a terrible formation till grimmy is fist deep in ya gobbos gawd damn

[@are7944]

Its not blunderbuss, its blunderbadass

[@SuperKnedl]

Been there too... And this is why I think they should bring settlements battles back. As smaller army or just garrison, you still have some chance when using chokepoints, baricades and towers, instead in the wanilla field battle, that is 90% of minor settlement sieges now and you just got smashed in open battle...

[@astellios1748]

U can avoid nearly 80-90 % of freindly fire when u use goblin's as front-line for the shotguns.

[@semi-useful5178]

Less avoid more safely ignore in my experience.

[@KomRade493]

YES!

[@l0r3nz0isSaf3]

WADDLE OVA DER!!!!

[@LordZoth6292]

Massive capture failures starting at 24:50 - about 26:00 in.

[@XtecHubble]

Was this possible without the unlimited ammo?

[@gregoryshinn9805]

Thanks for the video

[@monostorizsolt2472]

You have to kill the "captain" of the wagh to be destroyed fyi it get destroyed as soon as the captain die

[@Papyintora]

Grimgored

[@alexma81]

yuh

[@Totherphoenix]

people seriously need to stop turning major settlements into minor settlements via factory/labor camps - the major settlements are tier 5, have great buildings, and give insane bonuses to your faction. there's never a reason not to build a T5 settlement over a factory - tall, wide, or a mix of both all benefit from tower-stacking (ESPECIALLY on the two LLs who were actually finished prior to release - Drazoath and Zhatan)

[@redcrown5154]

good luck getting them to tier 5 early lol

[@tlan1711]

Astragoth gets 10% extra conclave influence meaning tower also benefit him the same way it does to others. But i wouldn't expect people to look deeper when they can complain instead.

[@Zucca2011]

@@redcrown5154 not hard at all, depends what you want to accomplish. Razing enemy settlements gives you quick bursts of raw materials.

[@Totherphoenix]

@@tlan1711 motherfucker that's a faction effect all lords get faction effects his two competitors also get HIDDEN effects in their towers, whereas he doesn't but I wouldn't expect people to look deeper when they can be passive aggressive contrarians instead.

[@Totherphoenix]

@@redcrown5154 even tier 1 towers are useful, and they contribute growth to the entire province :)

[@jacawandersmok9043]

If ai do it ; it is not an explit ;]

[@alanhouk1427]

Not a fan of the new grimgor. I don't even know what changed, but he's way too strong right now.

[@Rui_Vuusen]

This type of shit is why I stopped playing. If this was turn 100, I'd say sure, okay, I love a good challenge. But this isn't fun (to me), it's just ridiculous.

[@johnolsson2923]

CA needs to fix the towers. Or just sieges in general, they are so broken atm. Some mods make it almost playable atleast.

[@Zucca2011]

Agreed. Better siege maps and make towers only buildable prior to starting the battle seems ok to me

[@lukerevelt7265]

I know it's cheating but they could switch the battle difficulty to easy and just autoresolve it.

[@lazaruslong697]

What I don't get is, that obviously, people who send these battles know Legend, so they should know that prioritizing economy until you snowball so hard that it does not matter anymore is THE key, especially with "tall" (get it?) factions like chorfs. Yet, still they apply armaments upgrades so early in the game. I just don't get it. At all. :D

[@saschaganser9671]

Just shows again how broken sieges and AI are. Could have just taken the capture point......

[@Gaitze]

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[@Kr0ml]

I feel like the ammo restore glitch should actually be a feature, since you are defending your homebase. where else would your units stock up? at least from a non-gameplay perspective.

[@justinkeeler6929]

If they made it similar to Eltharions ability and put a reasonable limit on it (as well as making it sensibly accessible in siege defense), it would be a great mechanic for every faction to have!

[@vivusthevivusthing6182]

I mean it is a feature of the baricades it's just written stupidly. They could "fix" it by just making it so it works more like the infinite ammo rattling guns and resores "x" ammo every "y" seconds and make it so you don't get the first restore until y seconds docked. Spam docking no longer refills ammo and the barricades make more sense to hold.

[@notokosylla584]

Even as other factions than the Chorfs, I've been having trouble with the anti-player bias. I do not mind when another faction declares war on me before I can take out the one I'm focusing on, but it is usually 2 or 3 factions which aren't even allied. Even the Norscans and Chaos will forced march down to me with 1 or 2 full stacks, early on, when they are at war with 4 other factions.

[@djn6962]

Yeah, and what is even worse is that they leave their own territory completely undefended. The AI isn’t even trying to make good plays, just kill the player. It’s odd to say the least.

[@lucifenxarthos625]

What annoys me most about the anti-player bias is, that it robs me of agency where i want to go and how i want to play my campaign. They keep declaring war and sending armies, and the ONLY way to stop most of them is to completely eradicate them. Either taking the territory i didn't want, getting borders with more and more war declarations - or just waste my time burning down everything. I just wanna have a few provinces, get stronger and fight some challenging battles, not play whack-a-mole burning earth edition.

[@EveloGrave]

Ice Court is probably the worst case of this effect.

[@djn6962]

@@EveloGrave chaos dwarves are giving them a run for their money. Every Chorf campaign I’ve played is like a pinball game, where my lord is bouncing from one side of the dark lands to the other, as wave after wave of full stacks, from all different factions just pour in to try and kill me.

[@davidc3754]

@@djn6962 the anticheat mod makes this so much better, you get war decs based on logic instead of "hur dur humans bad"

[@saff1kill]

I hate how towers always miss. Like there’s a giant blob of enemies and they end up blasting my own troops 99% of the time 💀

[@thegreatlarry9454]

they still did a good job. according to my math they did 1482 kills or so, while the army got 3686. It also seems like they target the nearest enemy, so if one entity from an enemy unit gets stuck in your troops, tower probably focusing on it, even if the rest of the unit is running away

[@TNTNinja2]

At least they can’t do friendly fire even when they hit your troops

[@CatroiOz]

I have no clue how you are gojng to beat that, id just give up. You're truly impressive !

[@langa77777]

starts with a C and rhymes with bees. glorious

[@Dotalol123]

@@langa77777 Bro, AI in this game is dumb as a brick, but it cheats and spams units(bad ones) to compensate, if you dont cheese you are making it more difficult for no reason...

[@samuell1894]

@@langa77777 I mean, I learn from that, at least I don't know I could do some of the stuffs without watching the video

[@DasInf13]

@@Dotalol123 it just makes for a boring and repetitive gameplay that isnt fun anymore

[@Dotalol123]

@@DasInf13 Well that's Total War games since Shogun series for you. You are trying to expand & chill and AI is giving its best to ruin it for you, your economy will never be strong enough to make 10 stacks to chase his 10 stacks, but you can cheese those 10 stacks with your 1 stack...

[@SkottVFX]

It is not only the anti-player bias that is ruining the fun out of a campaign. It is the AI actually prioritizing to defeat you, instead of trying to win their own objectives. I had Tretch, random greenskin factions from the dark lands and queek all declare war on me as thorgrim and send army after army, even though it was only turn 20, I was no threat to them and they all had extremely powerful enemies to deal with. Defeating me would serve no strategic advantage to them and they would lose their own stuff to others.

[@TtotheCizzel]

If they didn't come at you it would be incredibly boring. they would sned their armies away and you would just be eating their settlement with no challenge

[@theemperor8452]

@@TtotheCizzel Did you even read the comment at all. It's not them coming at you that's the problem, it's them coming at you with no regard for their own faction's safety, as early in the game as possible.

[@Sarnatuile]

@@theemperor8452 I mean, how is the AI going to make that type of rational decisions? We're not at that level of AI yet for games.

[@botep5529]

The ai will jump on a hand grenade if it hurts the player. I just Azrael leave his territory undefended and easy prey for Kislev just to send an army to try to take the brass keep. Mind you he had to walk through nordland and middenland which I hadn't confederated. And he was force marched the entire trip, they didn't even touch him

[@unrealassasination]

Isn't that the point of legendary difficulty? Lol.

[@omertarkcakmak9753]

Same thing happaned to me playing as ogres. Turn 20, I just captured the dwarven settlement at the mountains of mourne, encountering grimgor that same turn. At the end turn, grimgor declared war, even though our relations were only -10 and he had other wars going on, and besieged me with his 3 full waagh armies, 6 stacks in total, against my battle damaged early game army.

[@ddandymann]

That's hardly surprising though, Grimgor's whole MO is to take out the Dwarves and Ogres and he'll do that very aggressively regardless of whether one of them is player controlled. Every time I play as Cathay Grimgor is the main mid-game challenge as he's killed off all the Ogres by turn 40.

[@TheSpencer1000]

Grimgor launches his wagh around turn 13~ give or take, and it lasts for abotu 20 turns. You either need to rush him down ASAP and hit him were it hurts before or right as he does his first wagh, or you need to figure out a way to avoid him until the early 30s when his wagh goes away or bait him into a good fight for yourself. If you boarder him or he even sees you, he has a good chance of going to war with you shortly after. Always prepare and plan with grimgor in mind in the early game.

[@gottmttunsk3502]

This was an impressive battle Legend. Thoroughly enjoyed that

[@sarmatiancougar7556]

That kill zone got so many green corpses that that entire Chaos Dwarf city will never run out of mushrooms to eat and smoke

[@Costin_Gaming]

Turn 19? I saw that on Turn 10. TEN.

[@LegendofTotalWar]

I don't doubt it. Grimgor goes crazy now.

[@Garret007]

Yikes :o

[@yari4046]

I love it when legends plays with his viewer's blunderbussies

[@Roaddawg1705]

Even though I’m new to Total War as a whole with this being my first game, I didn’t know how much of an issue Grimgor was. I surprisingly stomped him out early as Astragoth, though I did focus on him exclusively.

[@Roaddawg1705]

He kept coming back because with one settlement he was confederating other factions somehow 😞

[@TheSpencer1000]

Thats the correct thing to do. Astragoth can actually be the easiest lord, assuming you rush Grimgore ASAP, because Astragoths territory is highly defendable, very rich, while still being very convenient to expand outward at a quick pace. You can actualy take out grimgores unit production city before his first wagh, and even kill grimgore himself. Once he is wounded and his unit production is wiped out, his wagh is like a wet noodle in comparison to what it previously would be. Outside of Grimgore, no other threat is to difficult to defend against. You snowball fairly easily if you rush Grimgore, and its not to hard to rush him if you focus on it. Most people either expand to slowly, or get caught up in competing with Kholek or the norsca which is a massive mistake. Its not impossible to beat grimgores giant wagh stacks, but it is very difficult and their are easier ways to go about dealing with him rather then taking on 80+ units in one battle.

[@RockyX123]

Grimgor is the best tho

[@majorl2246]

DA BEST!!

[@urdaanglospey6666]

I didn't know that platforms could reload ammo!!! Does that work in any faction!?

[@DanjasLP]

As a player that is still relatively new to the game, I am learning a lot from these disaster battles

[@LaJin9292]

My experience with Chaos Dwarfs has been very underwhelming because of Grimgor. I just want to sandbox around for fun but Grimgor shows up with 3 or 4 full stacks during a Waaagh! Within less than 20 turns. This happens with all 3 Chorfs lords... anti-player bias is so unfun.

[@djn6962]

This kept happening to me to. By turn 20 I had dwarves, skaven, orcs, vamps, high elves, Cathay, and even wood elves in my territory with 2-5 full stacks… after pinballinf around with my main army and taking my settlements back, I finally managed to consolidate the southern dark lands (though it took 100 turns of grinding out these insane battles), then the game immediately activated the grudge too far event, and within 3 turns my territory was overrun with countless full stacks of dwarves…

[@nailigniststarzear6689]

Fun fact:You will never see Grimgor until he have 2 full army and full Waaagh, that bitch never dare to come at you with less than 40units

[@cathulionetharn5139]

I think the waagh mechanic is overtuned right now. The greenskins ai press a button and suddenly all armies are doubled at no cost. It lasts too long and gives too many units for ai to compete against them

[@Xanthate1845]

Grimgor always has a wagh and two stacks around this time. The guy just had a crappy army composition, weird upgrades and found himself caught on the defense. I also notice he has no secondary lords helping him out. You really need ambushes to break apart these big grimgor forces. Oh and he went to war with Kholek. Lol

[@onri_]

Kholek declares war on you if you get weakend so I just take him out early, Beat his ass and grimgor at the same time ping ponging from either

[@sorlag1856]

This killbox gives me rimworld vibes.

[@EveloGrave]

This kind of thing happens all the time. Grimgor is so stupidly strong.

[@radix2830]

That was sick

[@XavierAway]

I always thought control large army toggle is a bit of a cheat for these situations

[@NuStiuFrate]

It's weird to be able to control it when you are attacked. Why would the enemy attack in the way that give you the advantage?

[@pumblechook1505]

I had pretty much the same issue when I played Astraogoth - ran into 2 WAAAAGHed armies after fighting Kholek. I just abused AI control to field my 2 armies at the same time and then slowly chomp through their 80 units 1 army at a time. Also gives your AI controlled army their own winds of magic pool seperate to your own so it's even CHEESIER.

[@Markus9343]

Hi Legend, I just wanted to know if you were going to review the hellforge upgrades? You say that some of the upgrades are really good while others not so much. Is their a tierlist?

[@Ax_Dj0]

Good old Grimgor, he is still playing Warhammer 2, when other factions playing WH3 AI.

[@justinkeeler6929]

Your content, makes me want to play this game more, also now buy the DLC (despite how overpriced it is). I know you're not exactly affiliated with CA anymore but they should recognize how valuable you are as a content creator, proliferating the health of their games. You're an absolute Legend LoTW, and clearly not here to fuck spiders!

[@pedrofinnie8362]

Should every battle be faught manually? Is auto resolve like cheating or is it a part of the game? I really hate minor or siege battles and I’m terrible at them as well so I like to auto them but I don’t know if I’m doing it dirty by using it

[@commodusleitdorf2726]

Man I'm glad Disaster battles are back!

[@boomknight1015]

Having did a 50 turn as that, Grimgor never waghed me, but naturally had 2-3 full stacks trying to attack me on normal map dif. I'm legit shocked at now roided Grimgor got and he is one of the harder lords to beat at low level as well.