Unlimited Self-Sufficient Armies for Reikland

[@hatforacat3977]

They’re living off dreams and ambitions

[@YibbyZibaton]

Alongside Sigmar's blessing.

[@zwidowca1]

More like they cannibalise enemy armies

[@Cross_111]

It was called "living off the land" Cruel strategy...

[@extremely_human8598]

They're getting paid in exposure.

[@BB8enjoyer]

Vive la France

[@stephenschroeder2141]

1:30 Legend of Total war here, and today we’ve got a Saving Defeat from the Jaws of Victory…

[@ProduccionesPaquito]

Well, congrats, you did it. You've managed to turn Decissive Victory against clanrats into a Disaster Battle for cheese and profit. I bow before your power, mr. Legend

[@Fulgrim_The_Phoenician]

'if you strike me down, I shall become more self-sufficient than you can possibly imagine.”

[@daveb7049]

The script which calls to kill spawned armies is called on the spawned general, so when you win the battle but lose the general it tries to call kill on the general, but since that general is already dead it can’t kill him and throws nil on the script. I had the same thing happen in my great bastion mod spawned reinforcements during testing where my general died.

[@what3verfloatsurgoat391]

Interesting insight, sounds like it won’t be hard for CA to patch unfortunately :(

[@daveb7049]

@ imo on the contrary it will be very hard to patch. The kill command is done via script, and to kill the general you need to have an internal reference called a “command queue index”. You can store this value when you spawn an army via script to call kill on after. However if you hire a new general after the battle it’s a new command queue index - the code would need to be updated to add a command to get the new dynamically created cqi, and it would need to be updated to trigger the kill after a general is hired, currently afaikt it triggers kill as soon as post battle screen is closed but before the new general is appointed. TDLR it’s probably not worth the effort for such a hard to trigger condition.

[@NotTheAbhi]

I assume something similar happens when waagh army is destroyed if the general is killed.

[@keignar851]

@@daveb7049 Out of curiosity, does that mean this would work if the battle is won as long as the Lord dies?

[@Mason1968PL]

@@daveb7049 I mean the simplest fix would be to just remove the free upkeep and treat it like a normal army to begin with. At least in this specific example the upkeep reduction is completely redundant since it all happens during the player's turn so the income wouldn't even be affected. I guess if they wanted to keep the upkeep reduction they could also just make it a trait for the spawned general, not the whole army so if he dies it's no longer free.

[@ashesofaranea]

Patch notes: Removed free armies from reikland Nerfed Vlad, Festus, Khazrak and anything even remotely challenging close to reikland to compensate one week after said patch post on reddit and or steam forums: EMPIRE IS TOO HARD NERF VLAD HE IS UNKILLABLE THERE IS NOTHING I CAN DO AGAINST HIM

[@Dopetv-zd9ov]

I found out that you can easily snipe vlad with an engineer hero on horse. He died in 3 volleys when i faced him in my last campaign

[@bacchus8081]

@@Dopetv-zd9ov Elspeth Engineer or any engineer? Cuz an Elspeth engineer with the epics and frostfire banner does crazy dmg, slows and applies healing reduc. Can make quite a difference.

[@therasco400]

@@bacchus8081 Any they do insane damage.

[@Tarkenfire]

@@Dopetv-zd9ov Any mounted ranged unit with reasonable attack actually since vlad doesn't get a mount as a lord or a hero and gets outsped by most things on a horse even with his speed skill maxed. You can do it with a steam tank or outriders as well, but it's easier to get him to chase a hero.

[@scrollexdestiny]

1 week after that post and the 2 vlad nerf REIKLAND IS TOO EASY

[@GahnzNmi]

"Losing is so haaaaaard" -Legend, 7:00

[@Ersquare]

Legend tries to get a Lord killed challenge (impossible).

[@NelsonWro82]

Useful to protect your province when Karl goes off conquering

[@ProduccionesPaquito]

OR, retrain Karl and rehire him as the leader of a free army! Been doing that with dwarfs and free endgame crisis armies and it's been a BLAST

[@Garret007]

@@ProduccionesPaquito Oh, that with dwarfs still works? Amazing! :D Hope this doesn't get patched either.

[@Szombat13]

0:50 stirland dude going super saiyan level 2 with all the sparks around him

[@gamingrambles]

CHEESE FOR THE CHEESE GOD

[@kroxigordundee7767]

Now we can make a cost efficient Greatsword doomstack

[@TrevDevSwag]

Now do a "if the advisor was honest to Leggend of Total War" video.

[@PavelAgeychik]

somewhere at CA's headquarters: "MOM, HE IS DOING IT AGAIN!11"

[@sylwestermatuszak9329]

Hi Legend! I love your content, I had an idea that I wanted to share with you for a series or a challenge you could do, which is "no deaths, first battle", essential you are trying to fight the first battle for every legendary lord without lossing a single entity (as in lord and single entities can take damage but you can't take any casualties), I know for a fact that if you manually fight the first battle with khatep, skrag and I think with Katarina and grom you can win the battle without taking any casualties, which would be interested to see which lord can do Thier first battle with no deaths and also it could be beneficial for newer players.

[@Agentcoolguy1]

An interesting idea.

[@SbYdJ1]

Few slaneeshi bots. The emperor does indeed protect.

[@Herdatec]

Sadly I see 4 ... of them.

[@Shadow83.]

Report them to purgators brother. Sigmar Bless You.

[@megashark1013]

"But Legend, losing the battle is cheeeeeese!"

[@ho8ojoe8]

quick take the video down before CA sees!

[@thelegendarynarwhal2931]

Easy way to get the lord killed that might work is if they're mounted, and IF the ai builds barricades (which I don't think I saw them do), then get your mounted lord on top of the barricade and wait on it for it to get destroyed. I've seen this insta-kill a mounted Ikit-claw before. Think it's something to do with mounted units not supposed to be allowed on walls and so the 'falling' that they do when the barricade goes down insta-kills them.

[@Garret007]

Gotta try this then, but they AI does build barricades, don't worry.

[@nessa-parmentier]

SO THIS WAS THE THING I never actually got a free army this way, but a lot of the time I got stuck with survivors of the enemy army roaming around on the map, because i think the same principle applies to them, and i often focused on killing the enemy lord during these battles It also would mean it's been there for years, because it's tied to a mechanic that dates from... actually i'm not even sure when. Did it come from the Hunter and the Beast patch, or another one ?

[@GeneGear]

Explains why it has never been patched: they only patch something if it benefits the player.

[@pacocheung1864]

Plot twist, Sigmar himself is guiding them

[@zilpzalpmukkefukk]

Ok AI

[@yukikochanchan3123]

CA taking notes while sweating.

[@ciromaccarone7494]

I guess this is not a thing in wh2, anyway, props to legend to receive a clue on potential cheese and he immediately can replicate it and use it for his own advantage

[@juanfp]

The last time it happened we got the hilarious beastmen rock machine gun turret. Based on what happened there it will get patched in a couple of weeks.

[@avandarkwalker9132]

They happened in wh2, but I don't think they're 100% no upkeep. I accidentally triggered it when I lost a defense battle in wh2 and got an extra army.

[@NotTheAbhi]

I believe its on wh2 as couple of years back something like this happened to me. My lord died but i won the battle and i had the army although i dont remember if it was free.

[@Kinperor]

Legend is out there forcing human commanders to take the slayer oath

[@kjh4096]

I see empire I click

[@BB8enjoyer]

1:10 my popcorn ready, this is def out of the usual

[@bubbleeistee1761]

New idea for battles you want to loose: give yourself all cheats and all handycaps to the enemy, so it is even harder to lose the battle. Big fan of your videos

[@cerboris521]

I love this type of stuff. Cheers Legend

[@TheKarofaar]

When the master of cheese get a trailer full of Parmesano

[@Ash2Flame116]

I feel the call of the Elector Counts. I must join the campain

[@nagisa3523]

My luck is terrible, I got an empire knight lord and he’s on horseback in a main settlement

[@L0RDLUK]

You've finally made me interested in playing the Empire. Let's abuse some bugs!

[@stevencummins4753]

Legend, if you can take a decisive defeat and turn it into victory surely you can take a decisive victory and turn it into a defeat!

[@kookybadger156]

New class of videos where Legend has to lose battles against all the odds

[@Sokaku5]

I can hear CA cooking a new hotfix right now.

[@therasco400]

The events used to take unwounded lords you have recuirted. Unsure if they still do. So if you have a disbanded lord but not skill point reset you still have the points invested.

[@12SickOne34]

Hmmm finest Stirländer Cheese, delicious!

[@nikollasassumpcao8006]

that engineer lord read too many novels about slayers

[@foorman2837]

Just a thing that occured to me making it possibly easier - maybe use the archers you have to attack ground where the hero is at and do a friendly kill?

[@savednorwegian]

End game crisis Empire version - takes a whole game to build up tho lol

[@LachNetSoDumm]

Me, in a Reikland campaign where the endgame crisis is starting in like 2 turns: well i should have known that 50 turns ago. Thanks anyway ^^

[@hai.nguyen995]

This is almost as tedious as the old free beastmen armies, amazing. If only this existed in wh2...

[@euromanijak]

Incoming CA hot fixing this within a week

[@Grooviebones]

5.3.2 gonna be dropping tomorrow to hotfix this lol

[@BB8enjoyer]

Someone make a compilation of Lotw's evil laughter. As it eventually grows more skaven.

[@xelpad2379]

this is awesome. I hope they won't fix it soon

[@Zelinkokitsune]

Of course this happens in Stirland!

[@vinhquanghoang8301]

The Order tide GROW ever stronger.

[@50043211]

Long live the Empire!

[@svenbrede6151]

Hmm, makes me wonder whether Oxyotl can do something similar with his ambush armies. Though his armies used to have supply lines. Will have to see

[@ValtheJean]

Amazing, I'm sad that CA is going to hotfix this out immediately.

[@JamesFordMusic]

The best of cheeses always pleases

[@SuperAerie]

Not as good as belegars free dwarven-crisis armies, if it still works, but pretty neat. This can be done over & over. Didnt know this was a thing

[@CupcakeConjuror]

I hope this never gets patched out, in fact I hope it becomes a mechanic, let Reikland AI abuse this X'3

[@Schmeethe88]

Can other factions get this event? E.g. Elspeth? Or are you only able to do it with Reikland specifically?

[@haldun5167]

Off we go to X'th time Karl Franz campaign to check this exploit :)

[@pawedobrosz152]

Guys at Reikland took Dr Goebbels TOTALER KRIEG to a different level 😂

[@atregur3206]

Legend laughed at the name of Empire lord, but what about the Skaven one?

[@DeadlyNightshadeZ]

Mmm, is that Gouda? Mmm DELICIOUS CHEESE

[@bar_jumper1312]

@Legend why would you need this? there is unlimited money and movement glitchess on mass in the game for forever. You can get unlimited mopney if you sell ally passing rights after 10 turns....

[@bar_jumper1312]

in the time you fought the battle i just made 150k froim trade deals :D

[@bar_jumper1312]

low impact cheese

[@siberarmi]

Hımmmmm triple cheeseee, Horned One is pleased.

[@ShawnHCorey]

GG. The cheese is strong in this one.

[@borbarad2.0]

I remember in Game 2 these armies weren't free, as everytime i had them appear i had less income the next turn.

[@JessicaAriadne]

"We need to get in there, and die!" =P

[@Happy-od3vi]

you can maybe time this so your LL will be available to recruit after killing the first G. Free Upkeep LL Doomstacks

[@anonymostoxicmale3241]

oh f mercy is gona love this

[@Dragon_of_Terra]

well this could be fun for 2 weeks lol

[@JohnSmith-qb9ex]

Almost as funny as the instant vow for Bretonnia.

[@Lancelot2000Lps]

Thank you Lord my lord for your amazing detestation too the game and showing us such nice exploits.

[@WhoTheLoL]

Beautiful

[@giovannigio3764]

I did have this in one of my campaigns. But i did only see a weak extra army so did get rid of it. 😂😂😂🙈

[@EgenSayak]

I won't do it, but it's good fun. :-)

[@boricns]

😱

[@Nataniel0101]

Hey, can you check out a bug that i accidentaly encountered in my latest campaign? I was playing Empire, Elspeth and during a fight I tried to cast a spell with her, then use breath of fire with her dragon witch cancelled spell and then again casted a spell witch cancelled a breath of fire's cooldown but for some reason it still casted without using cooldown or any of 3 charges so I was wondering if its possible to constantly reset breath of fire with spells and have them unlimited with no cooldown and if it works only with Elspeth or with any Dragon mounted spellcaster.

[@ModulusOrbis]

there is a strange swap between lord portraits: in the before of battle the imperial lord portrait have green thunders inside , this seems a skaven visual effect. why is on the empire lord?

[@TheDarkkilla12]

Free armies for my Reikland run, it’s needed due to the shitstorm The Old World has become.

[@Temmoi3e]

Empire horde armies confirmed, shame on Warriors of Chaos.

[@parksjm5]

I think this was possible in WH2 also. Happened to me once, but I had no idea how

[@Coeurebene1]

I think these exploits could stay in the game, when you have to go out of your way to pull them off, it's not a temptation.

[@PQUNDCAKE]

Who's ready for the patch tomorrow?

[@wsk1124]

Just come back to war3 after long break. Is gate master boast on jade unit still stackable?

[@equa104]

love the cheese

[@namkreo]

It works with Wh2 too. I think i had it once.

[@regalgiant1597]

The weird things people do yet refuse to use a mod xD

[@yuzuftazimo2157]

IMO Any exploit/cheese that is hard to execute (kinda) must not be patch. If the player exert all that effort just to execute the cheese then that means the player is having his/her own fun. It would be anti fun if they patch it out.

[@daveb7049]

This is very difficult to patch out because the reason it works is the script that cleans up the army kills the spawned general who’s command queue index is saved after spawning him. It can’t get the replacement general cqi since that is dynamically created when you recruit them.

[@Garret007]

@@daveb7049 You might be right with that. I also think I had this with Oxyotl once, with the sanctum building that automatically ambushes enemies in the area. I played the battle, but didn't get my lord killed and then afterwards I kept the army(for some reason) and then had a lord without a trait basically. Was a weird situation. But maybe intended.

[@undeaddread]

Whats the bets CA spoil this bit of fun in the next update?

[@SamaelHellscrem]

LET THE CHEESE FLOW! :D

[@DrHideInet]

Its called elector discount.

[@playerioik6101]

like this comment if you want to see a livestream campaign using this exploit

[@willichtenstein7071]

I love exploits like this. Can Tariff make a video about how Karl Franz counters the new Khorne DLC with exploits and cheese.

[@sturgeon5207]

They should never patch this, it needs to be like skyrim where the fun exploits always work

[@unidentifiedbiomass4106]

It's Free Reikland

[@sim.frischh9781]

When you are too good in a game to discover an exploit XD

[@The-One-and-only-Devilain]

They better not patch this out. This is a fun one. and takes effort to accomplish. LEAVE IT ALONE CA. If we do it, it is because we want to. Duh! If we don't want to use the exploit, we won't. don't be stupid.

[@timsanders33]

Can you still get free upkeep for certain bretonnia cavalry armies?

[@meta1587]

I really hope ca doesn’t fix this before i can get a free demigryph doomstack

[@DavidCarreraJr]

Legend I wish you would have waited until they went on Christmas break so they don’t patch it

[@erensametkaratas6593]

At the very latest, this will get patched out on the 12th

[@mrgodconut2104]

Can you make a full tank army with this?

[@JoschiChr]

Now that is tasty

[@michasokoowski6651]

I wouldnt believe if somoene would tell me, there will be a video where legend loses a battle that was a decisive victory in autoresolve...

[@juanfp]

I think I've seen him concede defeat to get a good loss and then have an easier second battle having full ammo and magic again. At least on some siege

[@michasokoowski6651]

@@juanfp Well, it wasnt a decisive victory by autoresolve back then

[@jajsem1109]

I give CA two days before hotfixing this.

[@ZincMaster]

you lost the battle becuase the skaven captured all the victory points