Legends of Horizon Zero Dawn: Faro Machines

Legends, the series that explores the lore and history within the world of Horizon. In this episode, we look into the past of the combat machines of Faro Automated Solutions. How did the Chariot Line come to be, and how did these "peacekeepers" bring extinction to all life on earth?
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[@gabe_liu9095]

bad recipe for robot army : - replicating itself - using bio-energy as emergency energy - immune to emp - susceptible to bug

[@pauldank3453]

You forgot impossible to hack or at least not in a reasonable time frame

[@thecatserole245]

you can also add having a robot army

[@sweetballs4742]

That's what we got for having a genius imbecile in the corporate world. That's Ted Faro for us all.

[@natchu96]

Well it's impossible to make a bug-free program really, something was bound to crop up down the line.

[@alphagamer9505]

using bio-energy even in a emergency is a stupid move on biblical porporations

[@tjbarke6086]

Moral of the story? Always code in a backdoor. ALWAYS.

[@ConnorLonergan]

Or better yet don't make your war machines able to replicate itself and convert any and all life around it into fuel

[@ktkace]

AMD/Intel : already did

[@BordeauxFalinks]

Or just don’t make war robots in the first place.

[@wrenngage]

It's like Dr .Frankenstein's mistake. If you're going to create a monster, you damn well better be able to shut it off.

[@JesbaamSanchez]

Better yet. Let's not allow (as the public) to have unstoppable war machines.

[@OnePathToFollow]

When you see Aloy next to the Kopecsh machines you start to realise how huge they are. Then you see the Horus machines, i can picture standing there and watching them run towards me and it is terrifying. I can't imagine how scared the old ones were or how much bravery those fighting them for Operation: Enduring Victory must have had. We need a movie on this ASAP.

[@marcoboscarol2420]

Its not courage anymore. Blind hope of a sort of victory to the ones lied to, desperation and grim determinations for the ones who lied

[@patrickmacvane5725]

I was thinking the same thing! A movie about what happend with Faro Corp how the world ended would be amazing!

[@apictureoffunction]

Screw that, we need at least 2 seasons, 13 episodes each, on Netflix. Have two storylines going at the same time: one dealing with Sobeck and crew and the initial robot apocalypse, one the other storyline following Aloy as she discovers what happened in the past and what she's dealing with in the present day. Whenever Aloy learns a little bit more about how/what happened, then flash back to the Sobeck timeline (instead of watching Aloy view a hologram or listen to an audiotape every time, just show her watching/listening for a couple seconds and them flash back to the actual events she's learning about)

[@alphagamer9505]

@@apictureoffunction risk the aloy storyline,thats the game,what we need a high budget series about the last decades of the old ones,the first robot wars,corporations becoming more powerful,elizabeth and faro during the climate crisis of the 2040s,wars becoming increasing in number because robots,faro plague,operation enduring victory and zero dawn

[@ragemonkey117]

The 2nd Renaissance from the Animatrix is basically Enduring Victory.

[@lochness5524]

I loved how the Faro machines looked more mechanical then GAIA’s or Haphaestus’s machines. It makes Faro’s machines come across as unnatural abominations, demons, in contrast to Zero Dawns machines, who come across as a natural part of this world due to how much they look, move, and act like real animals.

[@sector1142]

Faro machines were 700 years older than those produced by Hephaestus.

[@lochness5524]

@@sector1142 and therefore a more primitive design when compared to Gaia’s Millenia of practise in Engineering and constructing these machines, who are beyond 21st century technology, even by 2060’s standards

[@wrenngage]

@@lochness5524 It does make you wonder how the new machines could be so easily hacked by the Chariot line. Once the encryption method is discovered, you would think it would be incorporated or even improved upon to make the new machines just as immune or greater to being hacked. Though I guess on the other hand, it was never perceived as an essential function for the robots as the Chariot line should have all been deactivated by the time the first new machine was created.

[@jxsilicon9]

@@wrenngage They dont want to make that mistake again.

[@lochness5524]

@@wrenngage but they would’ve needed to have constructed machines to construct the Minerva Towers in the first place. But the time they would’ve been built, the chariot line would’ve been dormant thanks to the absence of life on earth

[@ellionthe3rd827]

kinda want to see the Horus in action. It always got me a goosebumps whenever I came across the area that shown the Horus, it was so massive with that tectacle thingy...on how it drill through mountain.

[@Coolguy98765]

I wish we'd had to fight HADES in the partially disabled Horus at the end of the game. It would have made the finale a bit more epic.

[@ArkenHowlVideos]

I kind of imagine Horus moving like a Reaper from Mass Effect and The Driller from Dark of the Moon

[@ilariafalanga]

I hope Nemesis hacks into a Horus and we fight a powered one in the 3rd game

[@GoldAxoMC]

boy, have i got news for you :)

[@1985NEVETS]

You should see them in VR. Puts a whole new perspective on what the old ones had to deal with.

[@Av3nGeRX]

Love your videos :). I don't believe the Faro Machines became 'self-aware,' more they were stuck in 'emergency' mode, so they kept eating bio-matter as fuel and replicating. Due to their sophisticated quantum security, they could not be taken out of emergency mode. I don't think they ever once thought 'humans are the enemy,' or for that matter, had any self-thought at all, other than to keep their systems running by finding more fuel; they were only running on instinct/basic programming. Compared to something like Skynet from Terminator, or GAIA, their awareness and intelligence is sub-par, basically a computer with a strong firewall, and a script running on repeat that says 'do not allow systems to shutdown at any cost.' Also there is a good audio log you could of added with Elisabet talking to the generals about Zero Dawn, and one of the generals suggests 'updating their robots,' to which Elisabet reminds them the Faro robots will hack them.

[@LordTelperion]

Grey Goo...

[@beastmotoz]

Callan as a matter of fact they did became Self Aware and it's been mentioned lot of times in game because consuming biomass was the only part of Emergency mode if needed. But Self replication wasn't a part of it that's because the Glitch somehow reprogrammed their protocols and the Faro Robots became completely self aware entities who would obey no one but themselves.

[@natchu96]

@@beastmotoz Considering how Gaia's subroutines also became independently self-aware due to a strange signal I kind of wonder if it was really a glitch at all now...

[@kyoza5069]

@@natchu96 Yeah

[@Veelaru]

SunnyRko Vlogs & Gaming self-replication isn’t a sign of self-awareness. Unicellular organisms also do self-replicate; nonetheless, it does not make them self-aware 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@MrDontknowausername]

I didn’t realize it took 60 years before the machines were stopped

[@user-qk2bh5xw1g]

After they had consumed everything they went into hibernation

[@JonnySublime]

@@user-qk2bh5xw1g The only good thing about robotic grim reapers fed by bio fuel is there is only so much bio fuel.

[@RedOrm68]

@@JonnySublime everything besides rocks and minerals is bio mass, including bacteria. So, that's pretty much everything that could in time set in motion a rekindling of organic life. To get from a lifeless rock to us would take millions of years, if such an evolution would occur at all this time round. Pretty sure there would be nothing left of the Faro bots by that time either, so there is that.

[@FatBitches]

This could have all been prevented if Cobb didnt fail planting inception inside Ted Faro's mind.

[@QuantumAscension1]

BBBBWWWWWAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!

[@TheAngriestGamer.]

and the Restart of life would have succeeded if they had executed ted once they got inside the bunkers.

[@Hunter_IRL]

Now that’s a better story (for inception)

[@sonnyr.3842]

They should make a movie of the past events. Why i say movie? They don't need to make a game of past events as it'll i ruin the present Horizon game. We fans deserve a story telling on a bigscreen.

[@YuhMovies]

I would be okay with that if it was made by them and it was animated

[@smoggyben]

Watch the second Renaissance in the animatrix. It's probably the closest to this scenario of a movie that currently exists.

[@aidan11162]

You should be content with it as is. Any movie will alter the lore to suit the medium and you won’t get what you want. The number of good game to movie adaptations is ver very small

[@ecoblitz3655]

Sonny Reduja operation enduring victory

[@alphagamer9505]

a series thats respects the lore and adds without contradicting

[@JonnySublime]

"You don't code something you can't crack." This game is literally a glimpse into the future. Wish I stayed in school and was more than a humble drywaller 😂

[@taguro1006]

Thats a hard job m8 what u talkin bout

[@toddkes5890]

Programmer = can be coded from anywhere in the world Drywaller = cannot be outsourced You have a good job that requires skill and athletic ability. You also have to keep in mind the various regulations for your work, plus making sure that if you have to cut through drywall you know what is on the other side first. (Instead of using a drywall saw then wondering why there is sparking or a sudden rush of water)

[@ravenbearden6695]

To: Random Side Quest From: Raven Bearden Dearest random side quest, who's lore based wisdom to this game and theorizing those in this game, you are the greatest man ever never stop making videos like these. Signed Raven Bearden

[@RandomSideQuest]

Hahaha, you keep watchin, I'll keep makin :)

[@ravenbearden6695]

Random Side Quest promise are one of my humble oaths

[@mahmudasp6269]

HZD has one of the greatest story of what happened to the past humanity,what led to thier destruction and fall,what led to thier rise....i honestly have never hated any game character soo much as now i hated Ted the most...his greed and pride was just too much and nothing else

[@jimmie6825]

HZD the anime made as a game

[@leander2843]

Thats capitalism at its core.

[@86lanzo]

I have no idea how ted was free and able to kill the alphas....when everyone found out what happened..he should be jailed or executed...it doesn't make sense...he basically killed all life and was free

[@leander2843]

@@86lanzo i dont think it mattered to anyone, at one point i think it was stated that every prisoner was taken out of his cell, got a railgun put in his hands and send to the next battlefront.

[@vysharra]

I liked how HFW finished Faro’s story. Sylens was also very forward about how poisonous his corporate-style of greed was and how it influences the area around San Francisco/Thebes

[@honest_cake]

These videos make me appreciate this masterpiece of a game even more... Which I didn't think was possible! Thanks for all the great content!

[@gadierkadhim]

What an absolute gem of a channel I've stumbled upon, I'm shocked as to why you dont have more subscribers given the quality of your videos

[@RandomSideQuest]

Very nice of you to say that GK, glad you stumbled upon us too!!

[@UmbraSumus2]

the quality you put into these is just fantastic. I have to watch every single one

[@RedOrm68]

Still can't understand, why Gaia didn't build bots to locate and scrap deactivated Faro bots. Something I would have made a priority after sending the deactivation codes.

[@AlexisR-mw8ky]

Cause they were millions and would be time consuming giving hades the time he needed to activate them again i think

[@jakarhess7129]

@@AlexisR-mw8ky hades only went rogue 18 years before hzd so until then she wouldnt have been worried about hades. So it is actually a good point about why gaia didnt scrap them because around 1000 years has passed since the plague which is plenty time for gaia to scrap them all

[@AlexisR-mw8ky]

@@jakarhess7129 maybe ur right but why scrap the machines when she can force the deactivation codes in the first place and take less time?

[@comandercarnis]

Actually whenever faro robots are going they were scrapped for parts by Gaia machines.

[@toddkes5890]

The Faro robots would have been used if Gaia had to reset the biosphere via Hades. They were quite effective at it the first time.

[@tjbarke6086]

Why didn't Gaia make it a tier one priority to scavenge and dismantle all the Chariot line/Hartz-Timor Swarm bots immediately after deactivation?

[@davidjohnson156]

Hades protocol was to wipe out the biosphere again if GAIA made mistake. One when the signal that activated Hades was sent GAIA was thing terraforming the Earth, evidence that Hades could still be needed. For, these reasons those machines could have still been needed. Plus, I don't think it was ever mentioned that destroying the machines was ever a priority in programming this system (correct me if I'm wrong).

[@casingena1985]

I love this series. The passion and detail make these unmissable.

[@DragonHeart53]

This is an extremely interesting topic about having automated military forces. Because humans are conflict minded, it makes sense that when war means less risk of human life, war would be more popular. Maybe even to the point of it being like a spectator sport. Robot wars is already a competitive sport today with Battlebots and the British airing also call Robot Wars. It makes me think back to The UNSC from Halo, and how the UEG didn’t seem keen to having their military branches consist of automated machines. Even though their AI technology could absolutely handle such a force. But The UEG already had mega corporation problems being competitive to each other, and it would have been more than likely that, like Horizon’s humanity, the Mega Corps were possibly going to utilize those same machines to combat each other for resources and land. So it makes sense that, by forcing warfare to still pose human risk, the UEG prevented significantly more infighting.

[@unblessedcoffee1457]

They didn't become self-aware. They were just doing what they were programmed to do without context. If they were self-aware, why would they all the transmission towers to be built whilst they stood there watching waiting to be shutdown? And no its not because they'd used all their fuel because otherwise you wouldn't need to shut them down.

[@esoopthederp7672]

Well, you would, because if they were hibernating then they’d wake up once you started terraforming

[@uttkarshtewari2532]

in his other video he talks about the initial robots of gaia, the glinthawks and scrappers, which were responsible for the creation of the tower, neither of those robots helped get life back up or used biomass, which means life on earth was still not present while the tower was being built, which means the robots were hibernating I think

[@mrpopo5097]

They were hibernating. Think before you comment

[@leander2843]

They where in hibernating Mode, waiting for next gramm of biomass to Pop up. Minerva needed 60 years before she Was able to figure out the encryption and sending out a kill Signal that turned the faros from hibernation to "Standby till ordered otherwise" (Hades Programm in case the biosphere goes haywire in the first attempt) only after this occured, heaphestus was letting out his first scrap and clean Machines to start the rebuilding and cleaning process for the reseeding protocol.

[@sweetballs4742]

This makes Omnic from Overwatch look like your everyday villain in movies/video games. Freaking hell..... Just look how lethal these Faro Machine was compare to the Omnics! Especially they eradicate us all WITHIN JUST ONE AND A HALF MONTH!

[@addisonwelsh]

To be fair, the omnics weren’t actively destroying the biosphere... at least I don’t think. Been a while since I checked Overwatch lore.

[@TheCorrodedMan]

@@addisonwelsh They had the replication thing down but other than that they were just an army of robots. No where near as deadly as the Plague.

[@MisterSlivs]

Great job, as always!! Love the quality of your videos.

[@j-yoshi64_justcallmej]

Last night I had a dream that Aloy came across a new Zero Dawn facility. In it, she found someone similar to herself: a reincarnation of one of the Old Ones. Unfortunately, it was of Ted Faro. This new guy was vaguely aware of his origins: Project Zero Dawn and its Alphas, Ted Faro's role in how the world came to be the way it is, and of course, Elizabet Sobeck. He knew his predecessor was responsible for the Faro plague, but he didn't know of what he did to the Alphas. When Aloy told him, he was horrified. He never did like being a reincarnated Ted Faro, but this just made his self-loathing even worse.

[@HarryKuloh]

Just Call Me J yeah right.

[@johnmacleod5201]

And we care...?

[@ryantabor9582]

That honestly sounds amazing! They shouldve put that in the game!

[@pixelcount350]

You just witness the future.

[@ColorAlterno]

holy shit dude! this is sooo well written and executed. This is my first encounter with your content and will for sure, watch the rest. Well done mate, well done!

[@lettisha.]

I had no idea there was a storyline so amazing (lvl. 11 player) - thank you :D

[@masrr3678]

Faro= pharaoh Horus= Egyptian deity Scarab= Egyptian beetle Khopesh= Egyptian sword Swarm/Faros plague= biblical curse/ 10 plagues of egypt

[@Captain_Tumbleweed]

Sobeck / Sobek Is also an Egyptian diety ;)

[@wonjurielly5918]

It's so crazy but inevitable that the old ones would go right back to taking resources once the environmental disaster was reversed. They had one catastrophe but decided to turn that into a profit opportunity, returning to warfare. Something humans seem to and will be repeating over and over no matter what.

[@MadiganinPeach]

Scarabs: "this is a beautiful planet you have here... Would be a shame if someone... *a t e i t"*

[@iamagentlemanscholar]

I'd love to learn more about the hunters lodge if there's enough to find about it!

[@RandomSideQuest]

I think you'll be seeing that sooner than later Nick :)

[@taralynstevenson4016]

Thank you for these videos! I can never get enough Horizon!

[@Egobyte83]

A very good and comprehensive recap. :) Nicely done!

[@lightning5420]

Love your vids ❤ Your reading of the data points is always so on, and exactly how I'd imagine those people would've spoke/thought it. Thank you for helping to bring the world of hzd to life 😊

[@arcturus6918]

Pictures, way of narration.. awesome video

[@jonathanpabon4477]

Honestly I think that court case would be unconstitutional otherwise companies would be using private entities to control the government which in a way it kinda happens rn but in a low key kinda way

[@jtfbreedlove]

I can't help but think that Forbidden West will introduce aerial, naval and maybe subterranean chariot units. Ted was responsible for OG humanity's extinction but even he know you leave a back door JIC.

[@JonnySublime]

The human brain, a computer so powerful it built a computer more powerful than itself.

[@seand.g423]

Tmw you realize that what you are constantly reminded is "your own kind" is what has unironically made you long for The Faro Plague...

[@JM-hk3lz]

Firstly, I want to say what a fantastic series you've put together. I stumbled across your vids by chance and was hooked. Thank you for your dedication. Secondly, I wanted to hear your (and others') thoughts on a piece of dialogue between Elisabet and Ted. It's in the hologram datapoint 3 Nov 2064. Elisabet is forcing Ted to foot the bill for Project Zero Dawn. She tells him to sign the proposal or she will tell the Joint Chiefs "the real cause of the glitch". I'm on my second play through. The first time around I didn't pay much attention to the comment (I was more interested in finding out about the nature of Project Zero Dawn). This time it stopped me in my tracks. It suggests that the glitch was not an accident (possibly) and that an external force was responsible (maybe). There are a number of objections to this theory, chief among them being why wouldn't Ted want the world to know that someone else was responsible? Have I missed a datapoint entry that explains "the real cause"? Or just reading too much in to the comment?

[@RandomSideQuest]

Hey there J M, very happy you're enjoying the content :) I don't think you've missed a data point, I've always interpreted that line as Elisabet leaking that it was ultimately Teds choices/hubris that would cause the end of humanity. I'll take another look though, see if anything comes up!

[@JM-hk3lz]

Hi Random Side Quest. It's probably a case of misleading dialogue combined with my inner conspiracy theorist that's leading me to see the glitch as part of a bigger nefarious plan, possibly cooked up by a shadowy group (cough, cough Far Zenith). If by choices you a referring to Ted's choices regarding the design of the chariot line, would disclosing it have given Elisabet the leverage she needed to get Ted to sign the agreement? When I think about Ted's design decisions that led to the creation of the ultimate killer robots (sorry, peacekeepers) - the insistence on black quartz encryption, which seems like a defensive capability one would want in an automated fighting force, the ability of the machines to self-replicate, to slave other machines to their network, and convert biomass to fuel - would knowing these facts or Ted's hubris and ambition have made people any angrier than they already were? She also threatened to tell the Joint Chiefs, who must have known the capabilities of the chariot line already - I'm assuming USRC was one of FAS's biggest customers. And besides none of the above can be considered to be the cause(s) of the glitch.They were the reasons why the inevitable outcome of the glitch was the destruction of the biosphere. I guess we will find out soon enough if there wasmore to the glitch or if it was just a random accident.

[@vysharra]

The new game implies that since Faro was also secretly building black-ops style viruses and Trojans to fight against the very robot armies he was selling to other militaries, it was Faro’s unmitigated greed (for both the money and prestige of being the “best” of bleeding edge AI war tech) that caused the Faro Plague. He was being so strict with his programmers about creating unhackable programming because other programmers at secret installations were creating the exact sort of software that would have rendered his Chariot machines weak to targeted hacker attacks. So when the day came and the software glitched, there was no way to remotely access the machines to stop them and it so was Faro’s fault because he was so explicitly involved with the decisions to create all the necessary parts of the plague: the ever-more-deadly autonomous war machines, the “innovative” emergency biomass fuel, and the functionally unbreakable software.

[@mr.lonewolf8199]

great video man

[@HoiPolloiNtertains]

Faro: designs machines to kill humans Machines: kill humans Faro: surprised pikachu face

[@Galm276]

You seriously need more subscribers if you did other games like this as well it’d be amazing

[@yuggoth777]

Just when I think there's nothing more to talk about

[@yuggoth777]

Btw, maybe you could talk about the Glyphs in meridian. They are really interesting.

[@nbmoleminer5051]

Great work👍

[@kroposman2302]

Oh, look! The early troubles just happened to appear in Indonesia. My birthplace... .... Damn corporates, back then it was Freeport, now this!

[@gabe_liu9095]

klasik Indo, nunggu ampe bermasalah baru ribut

[@RedOrm68]

Another thing just occurred to me: what did the reactivated Kopesh and Scarab machines do to refill and maintain their power cells? Bio matter conversion seems obvious, but the first bio matter these would have encountered, were the Eclipse operatives who reactivated them. Can't imagine that going down well with other Eclipse operatives. Most of the flora and fauna found in the areas these machines operate in seem intact. You just see one Scarab, that initiates bio matter conversion and that is after Hades sends the general reactivation command. So, how did Hades do it?

[@comandercarnis]

Faro bots can perform maintenance on themselves

[@toddkes5890]

@@comandercarnis That maintenance still needs power. I'd hope that HADES told Eclipse personnel to have containers of fruit, wood, etc (sacrifices) available for the bots to feed on.

[@arcturus6918]

Ok , subscribed

[@michaelchristensen6788]

Damn your good. Thank you for a brilliant video. Love Horizon best game ever!

[@demis3270]

To be precise the swarm never became self aware like an ia, the bug just erased the chain of command and his directives that stated what they could convert in fuel and how many copies were allowed. The only audio that speaks about "self awareness" is the one that explains they were built with knowledge of their structure so they could repair and replicate.

[@rwgeach]

I still think there should be some in-game justification for hades' ability to restore faro robots to operational status. they went to such crazy lengths to justify the world's mythology it doesn't feel satisfying to say "oh it's just one of hades' superpowers." wasn't the purpose of minerva permanent shutdown with the gaia codes? this "just his innate ability" bullet point makes it seem like minerva was just a giant finger pushing an on/off switch and that doesn't seem large enough to explain it's necessity as an approximate equal to other sub routines.

[@natchu96]

Well devoting a whole subroutine to continuous brute-force hacking attempts is kind of understandable...and once Minerva finally obtained access I'd imagine the entirety of Gaia would have network access to the Faro Plague, Hades included.

[@uttkarshtewari2532]

I do think Hades has full control over the faro robots tho as they have been hacked, so potentially hades would stop after it fulfilled its duty and then hand it over to gaia who would start again, which was its initial purpose, but they messed up with hades, it was a full on demon

[@leander2843]

Hades was an emergency protocol should the biosphere go haywire ( Mutants, unstable weather, overpopulation of one species etc). In this case Gaia would have allowed hades to reactivate the faros and let the whole faro catastrophe Happen again so that she could again Start from scrap. But i think with Ted Farros deleting of Apollon, destabalized the whole AI network, with hades taking this free space left by Apollon and becomming more Self aware, fixed on his duty to destroy, because the ultimate goal to restore modern civilization couldnt be achieved due to the lost knowledge. In his eyes, this attempt had failed, so He wanted to wipe it out. When Gaia refused to let him, He went rogue and the malfunction started. The Rest is explained in the game.

[@comandercarnis]

Forbidden west answers this partially

[@cringe8063]

Can you look into the drawings on the walls of the Nora bunker

[@RandomSideQuest]

I think I can do that :)

[@timgreen6072]

The chariot line is really quite impressive, but I’ve always wondered why Guerrilla games never actually made an effort to at least place the wreckage of some of the unknown combat machines within the world. Other than the grave hoard, the player never sees any wreckage of scarabs or the kopecsh anywhere. On a side note, I wonder what your thoughts are on a something I heard sylens say at the end, something about hades’ “masters”. As this plural it makes me wonder just how much does actually know about the events leading aloy’s birth.

[@banginggaminggames]

Tim Green I’ve wondered that do am a level 50 now and I want to to know more about aloy from where she was born I know it says she was in one of those facilities but who or what was here mum and dad ?

[@jewel2318]

+banging gaming games Have you completed the main story? If so, you should know the mystery surrounding Aloy's birth

[@RandomSideQuest]

If I had to speculate the reason for lack of wreckage, I'd have to say that most Faro bots had been recycled over time by GAIA's scavenger class machines. This meaning that the only Chariot line models that still exist had been buried over the centuries, thus why they needed to be excavated. As Far as the "Masters" line, at this time its hard to say. Until we know more to what exactly HADES revealed to Sylens, this may be purely inference on his part. If it was literal, and truly plural, I think there is a case to be made for the Odyssey theory.

[@timgreen6072]

That was was my thought as well. However, I think that that if the destruction of the Odessey was faked, why even leave the solar system why not simply set up shop on mars which is closer and would allow far zenith to monitor earth.

[@banginggaminggames]

Yeah but I mit if missed it

[@Celeon999A]

I have a bad feeling that Forbidden West will finally add some detailed explanation for the Hartz-Timor swarm malfunction to the lore, retconning it from a simple programming bug to some dark conspiracy carried out by some crazy individual or organisation. Throughout Zero Dawn, i feared that the story would play out as cheaply as that and i was quite happy to have been wrong with that assumption in the end. The story has so much more meaning with its depicted downfall of human civilization being the result of some rather tiny and mundane human mistake than some overly implausible grand conspiracy to be found in countless badly written stories.

[@TheHeston83]

they mapped out the story for 3 Games also HZD was condensed due no i think your Fears about the Sequel are misplaced theyve been working on the sequel for a while now

[@fuzean1]

President Lincoln was assasinated, President Kennedy was assasinated, President Reagan was shot at, attempted murder on US presidents or candidates were real, some conspiracy theories are fabricated to throw people off from the real conspiracy, in the real world Ted Faro (an individual, corporate) would never have been able to achieve absolute power, expect an assisted suicide with 2 shots to the head or poloniumized.. money changers control the world not some technogeek like Faro or Musk.

[@paynepersons6147]

I feel like these machines would make a good RTS

[@LordTelperion]

Good to see Detroit still an industrial hub. ;)

[@yoceto82]

faro robots are unhackable > why not send other "non glitching" faro robots against the faro plague swarm?

[@RetroApo]

Yavor Doychinov The glitched ones hacked them.

[@yoceto82]

@@RetroApo How if they are unhackable? They are all same models from the Chariot line. We are told only some were glitched, but all other faro robots from the chariot line are fine. Why not sent them against the glitching ones if all robots from the Chariot line are unhackable.

[@RetroApo]

@@yoceto82 Well nothing could hack them "from the outside". This rogue swarm could potentially know how to take control of one of themselves.

[@TheKain202]

@@RetroApo By the same logic a controlled swarm should be able to take control back over the rogue one. The glitched ones didn't get any super powers, they got stuck in Emergency Mode. Upload a service pack to the non-broken swarms to change their encryption keys just in case, and the glitched swarm would need half a century to crack the offending one. The game makes it clear through datapoints that Ted initially tried to keep things hush hush. By the time he accepted he had a problem he can't fix by throwing money at it and screaming at his employees, the situation has likely already spiraled out of control and the swarm exploded in numbers enough to be uncontainable.

[@porger]

The Scarab walked alone upon the icy wastes, no comfort except for a lone Khopesh it linked up with many, many cycles ago. Just two machines against an army, but it was enough. After wandering the cold, they come upon an astonishing sight, a Tallneck was making it's rounds about the land, but it wasn't the largest thing they see. Behind it is a truly horrifying sight, a Horus. "Do you see it brother?" The Scarab says to its friend in machine code. "Indeed, brother" They catch sight of a Control Tower within operable range of the Horus and one shared thought flashes through their neural networks, Revenge. Guarding the area, a Frostclaw patrols around the tower, but it is no match for the Khopesh. He expends one of his few remaining heavy coilgun shots, blasting the Frostclaw to pieces in a single hit. The tower, now defenseless, is at the mercy of the Scarab's universal override chip. Once within range, the Scarab plunges its tail into the tower, separating it form the net and putting it under the control of the Scarab. He sets the Horus as it's target, and a spectacular sight occurs. The gigantic metal monster the size of a mountain rises from a centuries-long slumber. The two machines let out a war cry, and the Horus responds in kind, shaking the ground. Restoration drones come out of the Horus in large clouds, healing any damage the two have taken on and refilling ammunition. The Khopesh's combination of an autocoil, a heavy cannon, and twin-linked missile pods was now ready to purge all life again, and the Scarab's rapid-fire rocket pod and vulkan coilgun was prepared to devastate any target that enters it's gunsights. The Horus too had weapons, It's siege drills were perfectly capable of functioning under their own power, but it also had numerous heavy cannon emplacements. massive Archer nuclear missile pods, and Faro Robotics' piece-de-resistance, the Plasma Cannon, capable of reducing a city to molten slag in a single blast. "We will wait for now. I am restful, my gears are rusted. We must also create more of us, as three machines isn't enough to take on the new network. Speaking of which..." A port on the Horus' side opens and a RAC-M22 Thunderhead assault aircraft emerged. Flying on twin rotors, the thunderhead came equipped with a special brand of arcing weaponry. "We see, Horus. We can wait" "Good, we will attack their Foundries once we are ready"

[@CaptainPilipinas]

this Whole thing Aside. porger (Anyways, you): .... .... What....in the.... this kind of horizon universe and galaxy(/two worlds....) fanfic level making.... and on an old one era FAS unit's point of view too!? (for some strange choice of reason for here it seems).

[@porger]

@@CaptainPilipinas There is more to come. this is not the end

[@CaptainPilipinas]

@@porger (actually I was not finished yet from last Night. eugh, sorry. sleeping prevented me from finishing my next response. hold on....).

[@jwsrt]

cool video

[@EccentricGentelman]

I have a qestion you might be interested in. The swarm that went rouge, if they knew what it was capable of just after that, why diddn't they luanch some nucular wepons and destory them all at once before they got too numerous?

[@RandomSideQuest]

Hey, there is actually a datapoint that exists that discusses the nuclear option. I'll have to re read it but if I remember correctly, I think it insinuates they tried it. Guess it didn't take lol

[@EccentricGentelman]

Our nukes can level a city, the world at this point probably had better ones. How could it not take? I doubt Faro could make them nuke-proof.

[@syzorst]

The answer is obvious. Nukes would at best just slow the machines down. Remember that these machines also can self-repair.

[@strangestecho5088]

Because Faro was a mega corporation, and as such they refused to admit they had permanently lost control of the swarm. They chose to try to obfuscate that fact until they had absolutely no other choice. By which point the robots had multiplied and spread out to the point that they'd only be able to take out pockets of the machines

[@Coolguy98765]

Yeah, I think nukes would have worked if Ted Fato had warned the world's governments right away instead of trying to cover it up until it got to big to hide.

[@frankrobinsjr.1719]

I was always curious how all this came about. There were wars over resources. Iron that could be forged into steel would have been one of those resources. Yet they had enough to make all those machines and continue making them for further conflict in larger and larger sizes. Later, Hephaestus would use more.

[@TMKing_MS]

It could be artificial scarcity where a monopsony owns the lion's share of iron and can therefore inflate the price while depleting the availability of iron and its derivatives. You see this with diamonds, search engines (Google), and internet companies.

[@frankrobinsjr.1719]

@@TMKing_MS Yeah, I know about that one. However, with companies, corporations, and countries buying votes now; I think it odd that they would use that kind of tactic when they are actually holding the seats by proxy.

[@CaptainPilipinas]

we do not mind for that kind of Inevitable judging *[**07:33**]* . What a Price to Pay in order to Drill into that ever Cruelly Ignored Reminder of All of our standing Side.

[@XynthoanXV2]

I'm hoping someone can answer this, but does anyone else wonder how the Faro Swarm built itself faster than they could be killed? I wont say it isn't a possibility and in another video it was said that the swarm was killable, but how was reproduction faster? I can only imagine some titans staying away from the fighting or maybe the reproduction being done by nanobots.

[@TheKain202]

There was nothing to kill them with. The military forces around the world shifted to automated warfare in 2050's. But the FAS line was designed with electronic warfare capabilities, send robots at them and they just get hacked. By the time the Militaries moved away from smart tech to more conventional means and dusted off all these mothballed tanks and aircraft - the swarm was literally that. And by that point it was like trying to put out the sun by spitting on it.

[@AV_of_SoCal]

I am currently working through this playlist but I was wondering have covered, if there are any, heroes of the operation enduring freedom era? The types of stories that are most likely lost to time...

[@addisonwelsh]

None are mentioned by name, but I’d consider the California militia who set an ocean on fire to slow the swarm to be worthy of mention.

[@toddkes5890]

9th MRB took out three Titans

[@owaisakhtar9412]

Bless! Another video

[@RandomSideQuest]

Sure thing! We upload every Sunday :)

[@verytiredmomof3]

Good vid! My question is were they truly self aware? I think they were just following protocol, their purpose.

[@Haegemon]

That changed the meaning of Hostile bid.

[@julianbryantjb]

When you give a machine the ability to learn, survive, and replication the term "self aware" . The machines only knew reproduction as it's only function.

[@lochness5524]

In other words the exact definition of a virus

[@NoxaClimaxX]

8:27 this guy sounds a lot like Teb

[@wolfstrike123]

One thing in the game about the Horus or metal devils the replication of the machines could 1 metal devil build another or was the other metal devils 1s that fell to the glitch swarm

[@toddkes5890]

A Horus would be able to build its sub-components internally, then use its giant arms to assemble the pieces externally. As the new Horus is built, it would use its own fabricators and arms to finish its own construction.

[@mak8836]

I have a question although I'm very late to the game. Chariot line robots could convert any automated machine into its swarm but does this exclude other Chariot swarms? If not why couldn't they send all available not malfunctioning Chariot swarms to engage the glitched one and try to battle it out?

[@demis3270]

By the time they realized how bad the situation was the swarm already reproduced to the point that would outnumber any other Chariot swarm, actually they were reproducing so fast that the time needed to down an Horus was enough to make another two. Also an hypothetically "good swarm" with the same numbers as the rogue wouldn't have enough fuel to fight while the rogue could consume anything.

[@firstdondiego]

Considering that Minerva was able to ultimately shutdown the faro machines, in their diminished state, couldn't it also use corrective measures to prevent them from being so destructive and perhaps even help with the reconstitution of the earth (if even indirectly since they are war machines).

[@dannyfreed3898]

Gaia most likely felt as if that was a bad idea. If the swarm was able to hack into themselves and be self aware. Just imagine if gaia ended up losing control over the bots. She lost control over her sub functions. So it was probably safer to keep them at bay

[@ZinXlX]

A quick question and just hear me out here, the initial problem started with only ONE swarm correct ? The glitch did not spread instantly to the entire CHARIOT line !The Hartz-Timor swarm was the one that went rogue. At this point in time it was already common knowledge that FARO bots were only capable of being defeated by other FARO bots. Once the problem came up, how come FARO did not modify existing untainted and still under control CHARIOT line bots with new code and then sent them to contain the rogue swarm ? None of these bots can hack one another and 1 Swarm will always lose out to 2 Swarms in the battle of attrition which these fights usually end up in. I dunno I feel like this is one huge plothole, like there is an old saying of "fighting fire with fire" and "using Poison to cure Poison" ideas that actually has merits. If nothing else they could have still remade existing CHARIOT lines as nothing more than expendable units (Dumber AI) to be thrown at the rogue Swarm therefore ensuring the swarm never replicates more than it is being destroyed.

[@RetroApo]

ZinXlX The time was crucial at that point. Ted Faro wasn't probably be informed about the glitch immediately after it occured. Then as we know he ordered his men to shut them down. The time to organise the meeting with them was another waste of time and that swam has already begun uncontrollable self-replication. Bureaucracy and the desire to keep this error as secret were in my opinion the main reason for this situation to get out of control. Besides I think that the rogue swarm could hack the other robots, so sending another one was meaningless.

[@Coolguy98765]

I have to assume they tried that. Maybe somehow the bug that was infecting the rogue swarm infected other Chariot bots that got too close, or it eventually popped up in all of them on its own. If it was just one swarm, they should have been able to nuke it toi, if fighting it with other robots wouldn't work.

[@Coolguy98765]

One thing that I wonder about is that none of the robots seems to be capable of flight, but the descriptions of some of the battles from USRC describe them coming in from over the Pacific Ocean. Can the Horus fly somehow, or are they able to float?

[@addisonwelsh]

It's believed that they literally walked along the bottom of the ocean. Also, bear in mind that Faro wasn't the only company making war robots. There are likely others we haven't seen.

[@Coolguy98765]

@@addisonwelsh nah, there's no way they did that. It would have taken too long and they wouldn't have been able to withstand the ultra high pressure of the deep sea. You can tell just from looking that they aren't built for the deep ocean.

[@toddkes5890]

@@Coolguy98765 The nice part is that the Chariot robots don't need to protect a squishy human on the inside. They can flood their structure as needed (just making sure to keep the electronic components dry). The other idea is that the robots bypassed the deeper parts of the ocean and came up along the coasts to flank existing defense lines. So a swarm attacking from South America would be pressing against America's southern border, but sending a swarm along the Continental shelf would be a good way to bypass those defenses and go after the California coastline.

[@darkknight3326]

I wonder if we’re gonna fight any of these ones in Forbidden west

[@ashtonjackfanny]

these stories are too detailed to have not happen on some alternate earth. there used to be a cartoon service announcement that came on in the early 2000s that stated we only have 50 years left before all our worst night mares come true. this game apocalypse takes place in the 2060s which is what that service announcement stated

[@CharlieSpring_]

Hello yeah this can happen in real life it's scary, we already have companies like Boston dynamics, Hanson robotics they all make robots that are really advanced like Atlas, Spot, robot stretch, also Sophia the robot she's kinda creepy she looks like eleuthia multiservitor from horizon, and I was reading somewhere that boston dynamics is working with the military to sell the robot spot he's going to work with the military on battle fields I also heard that the French army is testing Boston Dynamics’ robot dog Spot in combat scenarios Spot appeared in research exercises alongside military students, Spot was apparently being tested for reconnaissance. Spot, the quadruped robot built by US firm Boston Dynamics, has appeared alongside soldiers during military exercises carried out by the French army. The robot was apparently being used for reconnaissance during a two-day training exercise, but the deployment raises questions about how and where Boston Dynamics’ machines will be used in future. I hope we don't end up like the old ones, I think we should build something like project zero dawn just in case haha😭👀🥴

[@timezerohour8864]

You know if they could push out a patch could the not just disable the bio reactors on them with it?

[@andypozuelos1204]

They weren't responding

[@lordpoundcake2317]

Your awesome 👌

[@bigduelssevens2309]

Okay did Ted Faro really just wake up one morning and said: "Hey here's an idea lets make a robot force that can self replicate, is almost impossible to hack, can enslave other machines so enemies are forced to fight withoud high tech aid and on top of it...lets make them so they can use Biomass as fuel"

[@toddkes5890]

Or a slow addition of capabilities: - robotic mission failed due to fresh robots still being shipped to the combat location = "hey, if we could build replacements on site this would not happen again" - robotic mission failed due to the scout bots running out of fuel = "hey, if the scout bots can refuel using on-site materials this won't happen again" - robotic mission fails due to too many enemy units = "hey, if we could hack into their robots we could avoid costly damage to our robots" - robotic mission fails due to enemy hacking and taking over your robotic force = "let's make sure that never happens again" Each of these separately is a sensible decision. Together though is another matter.

[@florentitan1474]

What are the chances that aloy or someone else would find a somewhat working gun

[@addisonwelsh]

After a thousand years? It’s honestly a miracle that the Deathbringer guns work.

[@dannyfreed3898]

Unlikely! However their weapons are just as unique

[@karimah8687]

The faro machines became self aware: they had to of know once they consumed every single ounce of biomass that they were done for. They must of had a back up plan I think they created a virus which they beamed to one of the satellites in space to send a signal corrupting any program or to relaunch them if biomass was any sort or active computer was detected. This could of possibly be the signal that affected GAIA. Just a thought.

[@Av3nGeRX]

I don't believe the Faro Machines became 'self-aware,' more they were stuck in 'emergency' mode.

[@smidget5843]

i disagree. they were not self aware. they ran on their instructions. keep going no matter what.

[@rileygoddard7181]

Okay self replication was the worst thing they could've added. Recycling deactivated or ruined machines might be a good idea, but self replication was just a horrible idea from the start.

[@-Bill.]

One thing I've never understood, the swarm was unhackable, but the reason they couldn't use more Chariots to fight the glitching one's was that they would hack them and turn them evil. Why can Chariots hack other rival Chariots but the good Chariot robots (without the glitch) couldn't hack the compromised ones? Doesn't seem consistent

[@northernseeker1822]

Because the glitching one was at the worst place... the factory...

[@caseymills811]

As Sombra always says "always yourself leave a backdoor"

[@toddkes5890]

Or have a human in the loop for the self-replication systems. One team on-site who punch in the code to activate the self-replication (for a limited period of time), so the customer can transfer the funds for the licenses, and after the team verifies the funds transfer they will set up a limited run of the specified bots.

[@chunkystains8950]

Ted would always be a "back door man" after this fuckup

[@jhonrock2386]

Uuuummm.... I don't remember if the game show or tell this, but, did the machines also use human being as fuel?

[@not_purgatory310]

Yes, they did. Though I don't think Guerrilla Games wanted to show it in-game at the battle of Meridian, and rather preferred to leave it to our own imagination how it possible could look like, mainly for suspension and tension reasons.

[@Coolguy98765]

They could use literally any organic matter, from fungus, to human beings.

[@samael2607]

I love the lore of HZD, however there is one thing that bugs me. Why are the Horus machines frozen in place at the end of the battle of enduring victory? For example at the grave hoard and at mothers embrace. Those battles happened 50 years before thekill code was sent out.

[@addisonwelsh]

Without biomass to convert to fuel, the Faro bots went into hibernation.

[@dannyfreed3898]

They went into hibernation for close to 1,000 years after they destroyed everything. Their was nothing left to convert into fuel. Hence why they look frozen in place. Also. Aloy faces the weaker versions of Ted faros machines. Reason being is because the war bots are literally 1000 years old and have Been corroded by sun and drought. Hence why they are easily heated up by fire arrows. If aloy was to face the faro machines in their prime. She would have not stood a chance

[@LordJaric]

Lets not count how stupid many of the things were with the Chariot line, who has the bright idea of having something like the Horus and not see how insane it is to have something like that.

[@JHUNTUNR]

General Harris.

[@ptarmigan0198]

When I first read ted faro’s name I thought it was ted fard

[@jacksonw453]

Why didn’t they destroy the production Centers for these robots in the 21st Centaury?

[@brandonn.1275]

Fully autonomous self replicating robots means destroying the fabrication facilities won't work.

[@Decyg23]

Ambition into a better future turned into greed,greed turned into the end of the world

[@pcuimac]

Thankfully, a swarm depending on bio-mass energy would stop working in a few weeks, because making bio-energy from biological material uses up more energy than it produces. You just can't replace fossil fuels with bio mass.

[@andypozuelos1204]

Stop ruining the story.

[@comandercarnis]

@@andypozuelos1204 it's not ruining the story since there was life everywhere which means plenty of fuel. Consuming Asia and Europe alone probably have them enough juice to cross the Ocean. Og yeah they probably snacked on all the ocean life on the way over.

[@kaikincaid6179]

I would love to play a prequel game. Like if you agree 👍

[@andypozuelos1204]

I think a movie would be more appropriate.

[@pst5345]

When climate change is as real as it can be and you start this game just to wander around snow heavy mountain tops watching your feet sink in, listening to the real sound of crackling ice and just thinking: stop it, game. Just stop looking so gorgeous, so real.

[@stevens9625]

So why didn't Faro use its own robots against the rogue plague? If the rogues are unhackable, then wouldn't Faro robots vs Faro robots end up being a war of attrition that human has a better-than-50/50 chance of winning?

[@addisonwelsh]

Not really. Sobek described the Farro Swarm as an “Apex predator” in the hacking department, meaning that they can out-hack the human controlled robots.

[@BarsimonR]

So I am still confused... one swarm went rogue. Why not deploy multiple swarms to contain them in one place until bio resources ran out Another Chariot swarm would have been equally as unhackable as the rogue swarm and would have had the fuel and material resources of the rest of the world to fuel them and allow them resources to rebuild losses?

[@toddkes5890]

The expectation was that the rogue swarm would hack the swarms sent in, and now you have two swarms of Chariot bots attacking the rest of the world.

[@graham1158]

The Faro Plaque is literally like real life cancer.

[@MrAnderson2845]

Funny how strong these things are but can be taken down by a bow. By modern military standards you could take them out.

[@Arcord10]

There is a major logical fault in the story though. So, the glitch in the Hartz-Timor swarm severed its chain of command and turned it against humans, and due to the unbreakable encryption it was impossible to hack the swarm and fix it. But there were other swarms in existence around the globe, and those must have been impossible to hack as well, right? That means those must have been impossible to hack by anyone, meaning potentially other Faro swarms as well. See where I am heading? There was no way the glitch would have spread among other Faro swarms because those were impossible to be hacked or infected by anyone, even the original faulty swarm. And if that is the case, and it must be, the original glitched swarm should have been destroyed by other swarms at least, 'cause they would have stayed under human control. The intended strenght of the story - the unbreakable encryption of the Faro robots - becomes it's downfall. The only way the scenario could have happened is if the swarms had got glitched all at the same time by themselves, and that is very, very unlikely. But hey, great story anyway :-)

[@addisonwelsh]

Sobek said that the rogue swarm was an “apex predator” when it came to hacking. I’m guessing this means that they had somehow developed a way to break through the supposedly un-hackable swarm.

[@tejasmahesh7741]

The one thing i dont get is this. How can the corruptors corrupt? They were created long before hades and have no signs of corruptions. im pretty sure hades cannot bring machines back to life.

[@addisonwelsh]

He showed the Eclipse how to repair them. Sylens probably helped.