Legion - Stormtrooper Breakdown

Let's take an in-depth look at Stormtroopers
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[@joshuajordan3507]

It’s a good reminder that “old” does not mean “outdated”. Plus, we all already have stormtroopers ready to go!

[@canuckled]

Stormtroopers are my favourite core unit in Legion. I always take Fragmentation grenades, a DLT-19 and Recon Intel. I keep moving them to the closest enemy unit and throw 7 red dice. A combination of an E-Web throwing suppression, terrain cover and red defence dice keeps them going. Their function is in their name, historically stormtroopers closed to assault the enemy.

[@dr.fish4549]

As an empire main thank you for the help

[@GoingCammandoSam]

Stormtroopers seem really good, I think you are right when you say they are overlooked

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[@mordechaimisael1129]

@Jeremias Patrick happy to help :)

[@joshuaclenin5474]

These kinds of videos are really helpful for someone new to not only legion, but also miniatures games

[@joesolo1836]

as someone just getting into this game(way too late), this was really helpful. I've been sold on Snowtroopers but slowly coming around on Stormtroopers. This was a helpful overview!! Thanks!!

[@nraketh]

Appreciate these unit breakdowns. They really help us new players who are just getting started.

[@rjlarose5271]

This is a really good idea. Cant wait to see if you do more down the road with other units.

[@ericbonekowski7443]

I just started out and this helps me a lot. Thanks!

[@BillsravingrantBlogspot]

Great video, thank you! Wife and I are just getting into legion and we're looking for ways to maximize what we have. Great ideas here!

[@HollywoodWargaming]

Crabbok, I'm copyright striking you for video format! Just kidding. I'm glad you're jumping into in-depth unit reviews. This kind of discussion is my favorite aspect of wargaming.

[@pattyjohnston6781]

Going to be painting my stormtroopers soon! Just getting into legion and loving it so far!

[@lordd2a]

I enjoyed this breakdown man. looking forward to more in future. esp the clones 🤣

[@m1nd1ess]

Great video. Even though I don't play Empire, it still gave me things to think about.

[@blakemaillet8026]

Great vid as always!

[@TheOutlawCrow]

For being new to Legion, this video is awesome and would love more. Especially for Empire

[@collin4592]

Thank you for the video. I understand that it is old, but I just started.

[@zachcorey9080]

Very good breakdown

[@CorbinatorLoL]

Great video. Thank you.

[@ajlynch123]

Great video as always! I’d second the request for more Legion unit breakdowns/builds in the future. Also, I know you do a good number of total army list builds, but have you considered doing some for skirmish games? A skirmish match is sometimes easier to setup and run, but I don’t see a ton of suggestions for skirmish list building.

[@nickmcevoy9373]

Hi Andrew. Crafty terrains first few battle reports are skirmish games.

[@jeffs.4124]

thanks for the advices.

[@petervonbleichert9688]

Love these unit vids.

[@alancraft464]

Love the vid! Please do rebel troopers-- I think those are underrated too!

[@Arcfighterwar]

Thinking of starting empire after finishing all my clone wars stuff. Good to know stormtroopers arent as bad as I hear

[@barisdoganfurtinalar8331]

Stormtroopers are the reason I started this game :)

[@martinpaquette5836]

Interesting build

[@almullin5757]

Great vid! Cheers

[@Carkastoken2]

If I wasn’t so dead-set on building a Hoth invasion themed army I would absolutely run stormies. This video was very thorough, lots of good info here.

[@Crabbok]

Thanks!

[@d.diablo3832]

Love it! When are we going to get other unit breakdowns? :)

[@hectorhectorking]

I’ll have to try them next build

[@fxdupont]

Great video !

[@bernhardholmok9950]

like this video. I play empire and storms are the main unit, at least 5 since you need activations and they really can survive with red defence dice. Yes, they can't shoot that great but in front, you can have them block the important units to deliver the killing blow ( AT ST or Gav ). HH12 does need modification, but i still like to include 1 or 2 just to give me some good anti vehicle punch, chances of not seeing a CIS AAT are few and far between ( due to cheap unit cost of droids ).

[@garlottos]

I'd love more of these type videos, especially for Rebel Troopers!

[@Crabbok]

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[@garlottos]

@@Crabbok Holy cow! How did I miss this? Thank you!

[@Steve-ps6qw]

Dang, this game seems really cool! I can't wait to buy it.

[@alejandrovigil9696]

Great video, for new players like me this is great content! Would like to get more of these for the rest of the units in the core box!

[@Crabbok]

I’ve done some already but will endeavor to do more!

[@matthewharshany2015]

yes I am on a strict budget so the ability to learn how to run storms better is great

[@kylearpke4945]

Check out Legion Visual Guide. We made it specifically for new players!

[@matthewharshany2015]

@@kylearpke4945 I know what I'm doing but I am very broke

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@@matthewharshany2015 it's a youtube channel so it's free

[@jasonperkins4544]

Great video - sums them up nicely, though if you are going to load for bear I think the T-21 pips out the RT-97C - if the aim is to go Max dice at a target you don’t need the extra range and you are going to be re-rolling anyway so you don’t really need the red

[@chriscindric8689]

I’m learning to play now so I’m all about Stormtroopers

[@ishpulc]

Good video, I do feel that Storms with HH-12 rocket and specialist is definitely an underrated build, Sure the rocket probably will not fire round 1 but you can get them in a good position near a rear objective and cover. Then let them shoot aimed rocket shots rest of the game. Free action exhaust for aim, then shoot and recover for both the rocket and specialist.

[@DioBrando-jm7uf]

Thanks for the tip. The HH-12 gives me good memories from old Battlefront games. I would go with one unit as you described and another with just a DLT-19 with Hunter to form my rear guard. What does exhaust mean?

[@ishpulc]

@@DioBrando-jm7uf Exhaust actions are the ones with the "turning arrow" it means that option to use is expended until the unit preforms a recover action to reset it's gear (reloading the rocket and the ability of the Stormtrooper specialist to get an aim)

[@DioBrando-jm7uf]

@@ishpulc Thanks. Last question. What does Cycle mean?

[@ishpulc]

@@DioBrando-jm7uf Cycle is the ability for a weapon to recover itself if you skip it for an activation. So the AAT fires at a target with its main cannon and rockets (which exhausts the rockets) at the end of the next activation for the AAT the rockets will reset without having to take a recover action.

[@J4stringthang]

Captain Storms might be a thing to try

[@michaelcacchillo7003]

I feel like Stormtroopers and Fleet troopers are in the "often overlooked boat"

[@itsthatguyarc7186]

I think one thing to really consider in the comparison between Stormtroopers and Shoretroopers is that they differ in the kinds of support they benefit from the most. Shoretoopers are great in that Target can supply their own aims, but they need those orders to keep coming to get them. Stormtroopers on the other hand get more mileage out of aims received from other sources and have little need for orders, but also can also be somewhat reliant on them just to shoot through cover. So, on the one hand there's the common list building paradigm where orders intentionally aren't really important but wants individually strong units and thus caters to Shoretroopers, but then there's also starting with a backbone of Stormtroopers and perhaps swapping out one of the "mandatory" snipers for an officer and having full squads where there'd otherwise be mortars that are mostly just there to be activation padding. Sidenote: I stand by the T-21 because it doesn't matter what color the dice are if a 6-man squad with an aim rolls/rerolls 12 dice total with Critical 2; that effectively throws 3 crits on average.

[@danielclayton5889]

I usually play Rebels while my friend plays Empire, there have been so many times those White Dice have pushed a sneaky crit through heavy cover and taken down my troopers or even mandos. I agree Stormtroopers are cheap and offer a lot of utility, definitely worth running!

[@justincase3469]

This is great for a new player and to show older players that the stormtrooper still have some value.

[@isped8650]

For a second I thought the specialist was wearing the special engineer helmet but then I realized it was just binoculars.

[@Steve-ps6qw]

The Way, the Truth, and the Life......yes, I do believe that.

[@waywardrush]

I would love to play Legion.

[@nathanopicka8583]

Great... So after all the buying of units and multiple core sets, I'm going to have to buy a stormtrooper set for the specialist?

[@tobiasgonzalez1506]

Yooo crabbok ! Can you do a revisiting bossk video some time ?! I want to run a bounty list, but Boba and Bane aren’t too great and both cost more.

[@matthewharshany2015]

I love the storms but they are always going 1v1 with spec forces so they get wiped quickly

[@davidcottam6786]

how does the up grage work

[@mathewkelly9968]

As I become more and more anti GW I've been thinking about getting into Legion . These guides are really useful , thanks .

[@gamestheory3244]

I hear ya on that. Took the plunge early last year and couldn’t be happier. Just surprised that I was able to resist for as long as I did

[@danieldosso2455]

See, I see Precise on Stormtroopers as a bit of a trap. Even surging white dice are 2/8 to hit. Their benefit is they "swing" wildly. Connecting on large dice pools is great, but probably happens once per game. Those Red Save are far more reliable. I like to build my Storms as objective takers with E-Gear and possibly an extra generic trooper, points budget providing, and sit on the objective.

[@Alex-uw6vl]

For the empire!

[@scelonferdi]

The heavy weapons options and what they do a weird from a thematic perspective. Why does the DLT-19 have impact and the T-21 doesn't even have penetration? When I look at this weapons I think the following regarding roles: E-11: Carbine/smg (standard) DLT-19: full length rifle (mainly because of its similarirty to the DC-15) (alternative, stronger, more cumbersome standard. Rewards aimed fire?) RT-97C: SAW/LMG (lots of shots, suppression) T-21: Battle Rifle (hard hitter) HH-12: That's obvious (also isn't that a rebel weapon in R1?) Their rules however don't reflect that at all. Might be a fault in my interpretation, but some things still just don't line up with the guns depiction.

[@paweszymkowiak7072]

I went through this video like "I don't agree with this, this this and this and this", but then like half of my issues were addressed, so I guess I'm fine. Although, there are a few points I'd like to make. 1. I agree that Gideon is much better in Snowtropers, but Del Meeko is a valid choice in Stormies. A number of imperial armor lists run both snipers, to boost activation count, and an astromech as a failsafe. Del works well in such list, and Storms are definitely a valid platform for him. It's like if you took a dlt and a droid (what you would normally do), but with Lethal :) 2. Storms are awesome in melee. Like, really, really good - both black attack w/surge and red defense are strong assets. Sure, they lack charge, but they are a good and cheap tarpit unit, that has the upper hand over snows in that they can be faster. Running them naked as a blocker unit is valid, but with Specialist and either cables or envo gear (or both) they become a surprisingly fast unit with the ability to punch with free aim or get tanky with surge. Will they withstand a Luke? No, of course not. But the likes of Sabine, possibly Wookies - why not? And they will block most of the annoying, shooty infantry units. This melee aspect I believe to be most underappreciated about the Storms. Well, maybe they'll get a shield and baton "riot control" trooper as a heavy weapon choice in the future, and that will show people more of that side of this unit. 3. Electrobinculars and Portable Scanner on Stormies are in my opinion trap cards. With equal cost, the "follow Vader with heals and tokens" role is better filled with snows, who can maintain a little bit of offence while doing so.

[@davidcottam6786]

can you get hevey like atat or st st

[@davidcottam6786]

hi love to know more about this game

[@reavern]

After Shoretroopers became available, they became the go-to Corps unit because of their black dice, and Stormtroopers were relegated to padding out armies. White dice are too risky and it feels like the only way to make Stormtroopers viable is to add expensive Heavy Weapons. Ever since the Clone Wars factions were released, I've wondered if Stormtroopers should be more akin to B1 Battle Droids because the Empire can afford to spam out cannonfodder, so their points cost should actually be lower than Rebel Troopers. If Stormtroopers were cheaper but their Heavy Weapon and Personnel cost more, I think it would balance out. It would be interesting to playtest cheaper Stormtroopers and see if they feel and play more thematically: Being terrible shots and getting massacred by Rebel heroes. However, Stormtroopers feel like a poor point investment, which is why Imperial players have been favouring Shoretroopers. But I'd like to use my Stormtroopers more often.

[@tomlowrie9473]

Precise 2 would only let you reroll 3 dice wouldn't it? Due to the wording

[@theriddler2006]

Stormies!

[@louisgamble2190]

Stormtroopers will always be cool

[@Drakwulfen]

I think they should be like TIE Fighters in X-Wing, something you can use a swarm of and it works, but isn't always the best against certain builds. I really don't like how much shoretroopers have overtaken them.

[@davidcottam7967]

Is there hope for stoam trooper

[@ronstokes7979]

stormies are great

[@leiziru9642]

Stormtroopers are the chads of this universe.

[@davidjarkeld2333]

New to Legion - does the surge to hit require a surge token to work?

[@Crabbok]

Nope! A surge token is used when you DON’T have the natural surge ability!

[@manweller1]

Long live the Empire

[@theefamilyadventures]

I'm a Rebel (the good guys) player so while I enjoy painting me some Stormtroopers I never use them.

[@odharrison23]

If you add frags you just get surg to crit for the ones throwing the frags right?

[@Crabbok]

Your entire attack pool gains the surge ability

[@odharrison23]

@@Crabbok As long as the attack in range one. It’s probably so painfully obvious and I’m over thinking it. I have never used this card, and I’m new to the game. Thanks for your reply.

[@mathewkelly9968]

Rebel veterans please , I'm very tempted do Hoth rebels

[@tillkaiser1805]

My twin plays stormtroopers because the empire is his favourite faction in SW

[@cedriclemanach8375]

stormtroopers for the win

[@joekinney5375]

Long live the empire

[@taterkilla]

Stormtroopers for the win.

[@kevingillard3583]

I cant help but take some stormies. The real meat n patatoes of an empire army

[@wargrizzero5158]

They should add Purge Troopers

[@abnercliff9624]

They would have to add more jedi and inquisitors before purge troopers show up

[@wargrizzero5158]

Fair enough. I would like to see the Republic get some kind of "cheaper" generic Jedi commander.

[@abnercliff9624]

@@wargrizzero5158 yeah, some original characters would be cool, like a jedi survivor of order 66 for rebels, or a unique stormtrooper commander.

[@wargrizzero5158]

I think an unnamed "Order 66 Survivor" would be a great addition to the Rebels, let them get more Jedi characters.

[@abnercliff9624]

@@wargrizzero5158 yeah or a generic ISB agent that isn't kallus for imperials

[@johnyendrey5590]

I disagree on your Smoke grenades take. Maybe its because I play more skirmish games as clones, against droids, with few LOS-breaking terrains, but I find that smokes are good for keeping my boys alive against the hail of droid fire as i try and close the distance to the objective. I'd happily put a 6 point (I think its 2 point now) grenade on my otherwise naked clones in order to turn away a few more hits that could have offed my boys.

[@davidcottam6786]

up grage are were snow troopers

[@jabbathehutt1222]

Hello there

[@MrSmitejr]

Storms are pretty cool, but Empire doesn't really have a problem with their troop choice.

[@roguevector1268]

> Stormtroopers > Precise Hold up...

[@sea_triscuit7980]

Chrome Domes will always be superior to Da Regs haha

[@josephmoberly2109]

Stormtroopers are still good, don’t put anything in your list without a plan of what you will do with it.

[@gunnertlc7728]

I don't even play legion lol