Leinster and Ireland out of sync | Munster have their work cut out | The Rugby Show

[@davidwalker2402]

Wow this podcast is pretty miserable, it sounds like rugby is over for Ireland and all their club teams 🫣 If they only bothered to talk more about Connaught who were brilliant the weekend.

[@lizzyhanahoe4197]

Are these comments actually read by anyone on this podcast? Please talk about Connacht, particularly when they played really well, they are one of the 4 Irish Provinces after all!

[@readesiun988]

I think most Leinster fans I talk to have noticed the disastrous change since losing Stuart Lancaster and complete change with Mike Catt leaving Ireland, the attack the envy of the world has turned into sand, gone gone gone, Nienabers Blitz defence is just not working, turning Leinster into South Africa and by the same token Ireland is a strange way to go, Leinster and Irelands attack and defence before Nienaber was top shelf. Now their attack for 90% of the time is beyond clunky, the lineout is a complete disaster, so Nienabers promise of it taking 13 games to get it together is well and truly passed. But obviously something is seriously wrong in the Leinster set up, or the players are not buying into the game plan, but these players can not have forgotten how to play dynamic rugby, so it has to be the Coaching. Took long enough for the pundits to notice what the vast majority of fans have seen since the WC.

[@daithipol]

Look teams are scoring sfa v leinster and only 2 gsmes without a bpw. But lineout is a mess and this is stifling the tryscoring.

[@tvpc3194]

true

[@grahamshaw3802]

Disasterous?? But much

[@ajjs8869]

If they win the CC this year nothing else matters, if they don't it will be for the above reasons. I do think they've prioritised defence over attack in the last 12 months but that's because it required a big change, come the new year they'll re-focus on the attack and reignite all the good stuff from Lancaster and Bleyendaal, it's all still there they just need to put the hours in to bring it back. My one concern is JN's defensive system worked so well with SA as the were a much bigger 23 than all other teams, only France got close to them size wise, but Leinster are smaller than LaR and Toulouse and then a similar size to many other teams.

[@tjobrien8436]

@readesiun988 absolutely spot on in everything you've said. Nienaber is the opposite to everything leinster do and strive toward from schools rugby upwards. They create players to work on dynamic and cohesive play. And then at the very end point, after all this work is done, they bring in a fella with a completely different view on how the game should be played. GET STUART LANCASTER BACK INTO THE FOLD NOW.. For both leinster and irelands sake. (From a munster fan)

[@aonghus3860]

Thank you for finally bringing up the point about the divergence between Leinster and Ireland and the effect this has likely had on the cohesion of both. I've been saying this for a long time and amazed that noone in the media brings this up

[@JohnSmith-wo2fz]

Should never have let Stu go. It was obvious when he was there that he was the glue in the background creating all the cohesion. Standards have been poor since he left.

[@patrickmccutcheon9361]

Divergence? Ireland is Leinster with a few SH imports. Both are struggling with a misfiring lineout and blunt attack.

[@aonghus3860]

@@patrickmccutcheon9361 I think you didn't listen to the pod before commenting? He is talking about a divergence in tactics/style of play between Leinster and Ireland since Lancaster left

[@PB22559]

@@JohnSmith-wo2fz But Leinster weren't winning the European Cup under Stuart either though.

[@redmondo42]

I haven't been impressed by Leinster at all this year. Lineout is muck, attack is blunt. Like Ireland, they can't create line breaks from deep. So a good team just needs to be disciplined and deny them easy entries to the 22. Clermont were halfway there. Toulouse meanwhile are looking good for a 7th star

[@JoeBloggz-x2j]

I wouldn't write off Leinster yet.

[@jean-pascalesparceil9008]

To be a well oiled machine now is nice, but the most important is to be that superior machine in May is crucial, at the end of a two competitions season and after the 6 nations. Many players can be injured, overworked.

[@cianmaher945]

No talk of Connacht at all again as usual

[@Richie-j5p]

With O'Connor there you will not hear anything other than Leinster

[@pwell742]

Anything about Ireland and Munster player Chris Farrell being jailed in France or does that not support the rugby narrative here.

[@PaddleWithPaddy]

Not jailed. 4 year sentence, 2 suspended and needs to where an ankle braclet. Won't go to prison.

[@JoeBloggz-x2j]

Why would they talk about that?

[@hanoitripper1809]

What he do

[@patrickmccutcheon9361]

@@hanoitripper1809convicted of what in France is the offence of « failing to prevent a crime ».

[@patman142]

You're right, it's nothing to do with rugby

[@kiaoragin]

The attack won't go anywhere until they fix the lineout. Tommy O'Brien should get a chance on the wing this weekend. If he can stay healthy he might well be the fast winger Leinster and Ireland need.

[@joemoody7440]

Great player but injured everytime I see him play, it's a shame..

[@aonghus3860]

Dear Joe, Re: the divergence between Leinster and Ireland post Lancaster- here are some questions that I think you could have teased out, or could explore more on future podcasts: 1. What were the discussions between the IRFU and Leinster when Nienaber was being recruited- was it part of a long range plan/vision for Leinster and Irish rugby, or was it more a case of let's get in a world cup winner and see what he can add to the Irish system? 2. Given how aligned and cohesive the path from Schools-Academy-Leinster-Ireland was under Lancaster, and the success that brought the national team, were the IRFU aware that they could be sacrificing this cohesion by bringing Nienaber in? Or was the plan to move the whole Schools/Leinster/Ireland system towards a more Nienaber influenced style of play?

[@tvpc3194]

Guys please discuss the rugby player involved in the ganggrape in France

[@JoeBloggz-x2j]

Go to the news for that.

[@mattconnolly6341]

Too many teams. 8 teams out of the Prem from a 10 team league is ludicrous. 16 teams is all it should be & reflect on the league size. Core sponsor is a SA company so they’d be more than happy to review I’m sure.

[@PB22559]

Yeah the current format is a total sh*tshow.

[@kpocinnede6451]

Connacht are quietly the best functioning province at the moment. Imagine what they could do with proper funding and investment.

[@tvpc3194]

they will never get same level funding as the other 3

[@DAGATHire]

@@tvpc3194 imagine if they were run well enough to generate their own funding like leinster do. all this poor mouthing crap does my head in. Connaught are not prohibited from generating money you know! FFS. Meanwhile the IRFU are paying the bloody wages of all the centrally contracted guys in Connaught! but hey POOR Connaught and ignore the rest of tha facts

[@SantaWrek]

Leinster get the most funding because they make the most money. They have the best players because of a school system that breeds good players. They weren't gifted an amazing school system by the IRFU. It happens naturally because of population and school density. Throwing money at connaught will not be enough.

[@kpocinnede6451]

@@DAGATHire let them eat cake?

[@DAGATHire]

@@kpocinnede6451 you know where you can stick that line. Just more poor mouthing crap. Let them get their act together and how about let their fans cop on cos they haven't a bloody clue how thee funding system really works, just sit around with ur wooden bowls asking please sir... Get off your holes and sort it out! go and fund your province! Go to the damn games! buy the Tshirts! Or is what ur expecting is that leinster fans supporting their clubs are expected to fun yours also!!! Get ta f* Eat that cake mate!

[@tjobrien8436]

Does anybody know if Caspar Gabriel qualifies for ireland. Is he on the u20 squad for the 6 nations

[@aonghus3860]

I heard they are trying to get him in. He went back to Austria for a few weeks during Covid which affected his residency period here

[@tjobrien8436]

@aonghus3860 not sure if u20 squad is announced. That would tell of he's qualified as he'd undoubtedly be selected

[@DamianDelaney-k9z]

Lads Ruadhri O Connor has fully lost his marbles re Sam P. Jeeeesus Christ almighty Also, laughable to hear him critique Jordie Barrett. Spoofer

[@Richie-j5p]

O'Connor is not a spoofer he is a dedicated Leinster Rugby propagandist give him credit he works tirelessly to ignore the rest of Ireland's rugby fans and players

[@DamianDelaney-k9z]

@ yeah can’t disagree. Leinster fan boy who would never bite the hand that’s feeding him. He’s a journalist who thinks he’s some sort of bad ass for asking about a contractual issue for RG Snyman

[@PB22559]

@@DamianDelaney-k9z Couldn't agree more.

[@roberttwomey2011]

Heavy on the critcism of SA and France were using weakened teams but no mention of ulster doing exactly that.

[@RossoVerdeNero]

Which front-line Ulster players were fit and were left out? Have you seen their injury list? Edit: mention was made of Ulster resting players for the trip to Toulouse, so I'm not sure your point stacks up.

[@kerrylass2]

Well then I suggest you listen again!! From 3:40mins on he says there are too many games. He mentiones Irish teams also needing to rest players(Munster&leinster) and specifically mentions Ulster resting players going to Toulose hoping to do better at home with BB. etc. and he clearly says "everyone is at it to a degree". The point CLEARLY being made here is that the problem is systemic and the the system "is broken" with no easy solution with divergent competion paths and tv deals already signed and locked in.

[@andydevereux2195]

Did you comment without listening to the whole show ?

[@jlsimonable]

Prendergast the best U 20 in his years ???? Did you watch the final of the world cup?

[@JohnSmith-wo2fz]

They do talk a load of crap sometimes.

[@joemoody7440]

"One of the best" was the quote, you just want to get upset about something to have a little moan!

[@JoeBloggz-x2j]

Joe the hypemaster.

[@Richie-j5p]

Oh no Leinster's biggest fanboy can not offer anything objective on rugby in Ireland he is just so obsessed with Leinster why does he keep getting the platforms to cheer lead ??

[@seanomalley7073]

I wonder if Joey was at Munster would he be putting Crowley under serious pressure🤔

[@timculhane4633]

Probably be still injured 😂😂

[@BarryHawk]

I could see Saracens beating Mun and I don't see Mun winning in Northampton.

[@patrickmccutcheon9361]

It would be better to revert to 16 teams in 4 pools 6 home and away games and just 8 teams in quarter finals. The found of 16 is ridiculous as you can qualify for it without winning a game.

[@KewKew-do3kq]

Did you hear about the Irish rugby players in France who went to jail ? 😮 Horrible story

[@patrickporter1864]

Yes. Times have indeed changed for the better.

[@gerardfitzpatrick60]

Leinster ? Wind on 19 minutes 👌

[@robhallie]

thanks!

[@Johan-rg3vo]

Legend thanks

[@patrickmccutcheon9361]

Hard to see Munster getting points off Saracens and Northampton.

[@cathalsheehan9596]

Can we for once just stop making BS excuses and just accept the problem with everything involving Leinster & Ireland is linked to the appalling line out? If that isnt fixed it doesnt matter what else we do, Leinster & Ireland will go nowhere.

[@criticaltheoryofsociety7476]

Madigan is badly needed to bring some sanity to the Sam P discussion here. He's definitely an impressive prospect but ROC has lost all sense of reason in what he is saying - Lions 10, best player in the world of his cohort, etc.

[@andrewmartinfarrell8167]

RoC definitely has a tendency to go overboard but this isn't accurate. He didn't say he's the best in world. He said he's one of the 3 best 21 yo and that SP considers himself to be the best 10 in Ireland and beyond.

[@criticaltheoryofsociety7476]

@@andrewmartinfarrell8167 29:40 “He is probably the best, if not the best 21 year old in the world, he’s one of the top three. He was the best under 20s player in his year, certainly up there anyway with a couple of the French lads who were pretty good…”

[@PB22559]

The hype around Prendergast is nauseating. He's a good prospect but they're all acting like he's going to be world class in no time.

[@ajjs8869]

Agreed, also I remember the Chris Jones chat... he said he's a good candidate to be a Lions bolter for the squad, not to start a Test match! He's not going to overtake Finn Russell or Marcus Smith in the next 6 months

[@patrickporter1864]

Sam p. Is a leinster player ergot he has got to be an Irish player. No need to look anywhere else.

[@joebateson1081]

By virtue of playing in Europe South Africa have left NZ teams in the doldrums! Clever ploy!

[@hanoitripper1809]

Agree hard to move to fb after playing 12.. easier from 10 or 13/14/11

[@Johan-rg3vo]

The leinster attack has disappeared...the lineout has fallen apart..a shambles..can barrett play lock i wonder....

[@stevetynant6666]

Bin the Heineken Cup and go for URC/Premiership league

[@patrickmccutcheon9361]

Why? I would keep it as it is good for Irish rugby to have challenge of playing French sides as well as South African ones.

[@andrewoffice384]

What an appalling analysis

[@JoeBloggz-x2j]

What?

[@richard-king-]

Is Crowley out of form or did he exceed his average level for a few months in late-2023?

[@patrickmccutcheon9361]

He looks out of sorts. The expression on his face suggested he is not in a good place and he made several mistakes. His place kicking has been poor all season.

[@PB22559]

Crowley won the Aus game for Ireland. When Prendergast went off, Ireland were losing.

[@kellylee1499]

Kiwi here… is that Ruaidhri bloke always such a barrel of joy? I know he’s always anti NZers but that was a pretty depressing podcast.

[@patrickmccutcheon9361]

His analysis is informed and detailed. Very valid comments regarding Crowley, Prendergast, Snyman and Barrett. Hard to be cheerful with the clunky performance by Leinster following those of Ireland v NZ and Argentina. Munster and Ulster clearly not in a good place.

[@joemoody7440]

"Anti NZer" 😂 get over yourself!

[@JoeBloggz-x2j]

Sure like there isn't plenty of that from NZ pundits.

[@kellylee1499]

Just saying every time I’ve listened to the guy he’s doom and gloom. Really enjoy listening to a lot of your former internationals- Shane Horgan is brilliant.

[@cianhalley9266]

He's one of our worst ones, go listen to luke Fitzgerald for real analysis

[@gerrygeraghty4992]

How come Leinster are responsible for their own province an the test team.Do you hear this being mentioned in any other country. What would you be saying if the majority of test squads were made up of munster players.There is a reason why Leinster make up the majority. There better players.Stop using Leinster as the proverbial scape goat,open your minds and stop using investment as the reason.Ireland and Leinster are two different teams.This is the level of your analysis jeez!

[@Richie-j5p]

They are the better resourced coached players NOT necessarily the best players and as competition in Ireland squads is practically nil we will never find out. No other province would have an academy player basically capped after a wet day playing but yet its OK for a Leinster player to do so !!

[@grahamshaw3802]

No they are the best players ​@@Richie-j5p