Leong Mun Wai refuses to retract comment on Singapore govt's policies being profit-seeking

NCMP Leong Mun Wai refused to retract his comment, stating that the Singapore government ensures public services are profitable when asked by Acting Transport Minister Chee Hong Tat during the debate on the motion 'Cost of Living Crisis' on Tuesday (7 Nov).
Mr Leong, Progress Singapore Party's Secretary General said, "I think the way the government conduct policy today, a lot is profit-seeking and using the market model."
In response to this comment, Mr Chee said that he rejects the way that Mr Leong has characterized the way the Government operates, "I think that's quite uncalled for".

[@raymondchew8894]

Everything from transport, to food, schooling chidren are getting very expensive. Not matter how the people save and skim, it's very stressful on ordinary class working population. The increase in GST add on the burden !

[@livingspring2459]

😊Chee Hong Tat only disclose 2 billions spent on public transport but never disclose how many billions collected and how many trillion collected from GST, COE, HDB levy, interests, etc

[@neonboy99]

Please lah...just look at how much they are making just from COE only. In just one day the Govt easily makes a few billion dollars from GST and other taxes.

[@BeachBoi1000]

I dont think these figures are hidden. You can go check yourself.

[@firefly4326]

​@@neonboy99where did you get your inflated numbers? Math fail?

[@neonboy99]

@@firefly4326 Easy...in Singapore a billion things are sold everyday. Everything from stocks, to cars, to homes. With GST at 8% do your maths my friend.

[@firefly4326]

@@neonboy99 show the facts and figures

[@mamoswim]

hawker centre management outsourced to the highest bidder, which in turns raise rentals and food prices. last time these were ran by the gov and we never had such issues

[@tangt4860]

And who are the individuals sitting on the real management monopolising these sure profit companies like hawker centres contracting and foreign workers dormitories?

[@mamoswim]

definitely friends of the swamp @@tangt4860

[@smchung4977]

Who??

[@lugao4696]

You said yourself we are here to debate different ideas, if you don't agree with Leong's views then rebut with facts and logic, what's the point of asking people to "withdraw" or "retract"? 😂

[@TerenceTHNg]

Very demanding. Like refusing to answer if the question asked does not please him. Just making a mountain of a mole hill and childish to. LMW dies not have to retract his comments. What does this young Minister thinks he is. High handed .

[@SamStab007]

Smoke and mirrors. This is what happens when you pegged the salary to private sector. Everyone is a CEO now. Sad day for the future of Sg.

[@homehome3071]

LEONG said they are profit seeking. But they say they ade not. Every time its so easy to quote a few example to counter the fact they r a very high cost govt

[@kohahchwee9906]

what you are saying is that EVERYTHING LMW says is correct!!! That is utter rubbish!!!

[@user-pe8yr9ko3w]

How would transport companies’ CEOs amass millions as bonuses if they were not profit seeking?

[@BeachBoi1000]

You still need someone to look over the company. You can’t ask someone earning $2k to oversee…

[@yingyang2405]

Of course! Suck from the poor commuters to pay millions to the operator and management staff. Bus drivers and administrative staff get lower pay.

[@BeachBoi1000]

@@yingyang2405 capitalism is evil! Communism is the way! Look at China! They are communist and they are doing so well!

[@octovanfoo968]

Can I ask which transport company CEO amass millions as bonus?

[@Buttercookies0]

@@BeachBoi1000 Why use $2k to justify the insane salary and bonuses?

[@davidbobberdi965]

All the money collected from COE could be used in public transport. It’s a right pocket left pocket example. COE is effectively zero cost.

[@Death_KnightYT]

“9 most terrifying words in the English Language Are: I am From the Government,and I am here to help”

[@tangt4860]

More terrifying is I am from PAP and I am listening to help the poor with the increase of GST.

[@Death_KnightYT]

@@tangt4860 nice humour you got there lad

[@yingyang2405]

LHL: I will work for you. I will fight for you. Nah: LHL will work for his bank account. LHL will fight for his wealth.

[@bobt2113]

If u r true local Singaporean, u know in the ground outside generally feel that way...the government lost touch w the people ..see the government policies, town council very good example, some have more than 50 millions or 100 million reserves each...I thought they supposed to provide essential services but after I know the reserves some tc have..I was surprised

[@carlanthony1724]

Ty for speaking up on matters such as this.i want what is best for everybody too.im 30 with 2 mental conditions.not much help on the mental aspect.went for counselling didnt work.relying solely on medication

[@bernardtoh5766]

I reject the work you work and approached the case as much as you reject Mr Leong

[@fabianfernandez6723]

I would also add that National Servicemen be paid the market salary instead of just a paltry allowance.

[@scbchong6964]

NS men are only skilled to basic level after one year. Why should taxpayers give them above average salary for below average skills?

[@user-lv6lt1gc5k]

Minimum Wage if there is . $1000.00

[@scbchong6964]

@@user-lv6lt1gc5k If you are business owner, would you pay above average salary for below average performance? Reflect on your own talents, skills and attitude before complaining and blaming govt.

[@user-lv6lt1gc5k]

@@scbchong6964 How can National Security be a Business? Pay NS boys $1K a month for 30 months = $30k = Minister's 1month Salary

[@tanpengjoo7205]

@@scbchong6964 , can you elaborate how to measure skills, are only those foreign talent have the skills that are being paid higher because they are issued " s " pass .? Then local does not possess that skill or probably employers have that mentally thinking only foreigners have skills n are cheaper.

[@escapiee]

But what he had said is true. G always make more in almost every policy.

[@TerenceTHNg]

Gives less but take more. Profit orientated

[@xthene]

did chee hong tat misunderstand the meaning of "profit-seeking"? "profit-seeking" doesn't mean "milking AS MUCH PROFIT AS POSSIBLE"! Even Lee Kuan Yew once said ""You make profit a dirty word and Singapore dies".

[@xthene]

just because the govt puts in subsidies for commuters and seeking a financially sustainable system, it doesn't mean it's not seeking for profits. chee hong tat argument is going for the narrow and extreme end: there are subsidies and social aspects, so not profit seeking. along the same vein of thoughts, does that mean: if we are not profit seeking , then all must be free?

[@user-og7rs2sq8u]

Raffles Institution Mr Leong is spot on .❤

[@choonhockong8215]

Best NMP. WP, I lost hope.

[@user-og7rs2sq8u]

@@choonhockong8215 wp also good 👍

[@TerenceTHNg]

Does it matter? Raffles ACVS, Temasik or whatever school in Singapore island

[@JohnYejunGU]

Mr Chee was like "we can discuss, but you should withdraw what I disagree :)"

[@tangt4860]

He is just the eunuch version of Indranee demanding Leong to shut up in an eloquent way.

[@asky368ify]

@@tangt4860 All the same la, Every pappy ministers speaks against their conscience in order to protect their golden rice bowl. They have accumulated so much bad karma for themselves that one day they will get it.

[@kokkeeSeck-xs5yj]

If the bus services were alleged that "it is not making monies" that reflects the inability of the gov to run the service efficiently.

[@yingyang2405]

Which PAP guy would admit that their policies are for profiteering? Obviously Chee would say that PAP doesn't. Look at the COE price. Look at Grab price surge. Look at HDB price. Look at SP electricity & water, refuse & toilet charges. Look at how the people are fined for not paying their bills on time. Look at how the CPF board comes out with all kinds of deductions from the CPF account holders. Medi-save Medi-shield Elder-shield...... All out to retain CPF members' money.

[@TerenceTHNg]

Good example. Keeps on increasing like in an auction for highest bidder.

[@mygrandkids7361]

Essential services MUST be NOT- FOR-PROFIT....important to keep cost down esp CEO/ Management n BOD remunerations.

[@kitty2527]

Every month pay maid levy and worker levy not profit making meh! No brainer, every month a steady stream of $$$ coming in without doing anything. Just GIRO in.

[@danielleo38]

Public transport, utilities and state board not making profits? only talk spending but didn't say profits.

[@ongernie7216]

We are losing money because it not plan properly. We are using expensive system that is not really necessary.

[@keejoseph3145]

Chee Hong Tat a newbie should act like one. Now, he seems too follow the style of the older slyer mp who likes to attack opposition.

[@scbchong6964]

Why should minister back down from lies and false accusations and misinformation? Just because you hate pap govt, you should be allowed to lead? Just because you self-declare feel "poor" you should be allowed to steal?

[@normantan7796]

Ya, Here's $1 for you while we kept 1,000. So don't question us. Why should anyone withdrawl the questions? You got to prove it not the opposition prove you the proof.

[@choonhockong8215]

MOT should look into the staff productivity and service standard. I recently had an unpleasant experience at Buona vista Station, i took the circle line from Serangoon to this station, the signboard so confusing for me an elderly to get out and proceed to star vista. I approached one lady, mrt station staff at the control station for direction, she seemed in bad mood. Mrt operators should conduct spot checks of customer service level, productivity standard at all the passengers service stations.

[@tangt4860]

Uncle, you try changing from TEL to NSL at Woodlands and be in for a sickening scholar designed costly surprise. There are two escalators and one of them mislead you to exit at the gantry.

[@flowercolourful4718]

Yes, signboards not clear for the older citizens at all. Some stations so confusing. Those scholars at high positions don't check with the ground at all.

[@steventay5834]

All the land near MRT station appreciated substantially. That's where the Government offset the costs of MRT

[@steventay5834]

Ya lah. The MRT station indirectly generates so much money by land sales near MRT. Also, it helps to attract investments

[@WTHH2]

Why don't the government publish the accounts of these loss making companies esp transport and utilities.

[@tangt4860]

How can you ask a serial cheater to tell the wife of the numerous mistresses he has been secretly splurging on?

[@raymondchew8894]

Will there still future for SG for the younger Singaporeans ?

[@denisechan5992]

What is puzzling is why the govt set up a limited company SMRT under Temasek to run the monopoly transport service and has to ensure that it make profit. Couldn't the govt run the public transport instead of ensuring Temasek make money.

[@tangt4860]

Anyone in the world can tell we are charged ridiculous public transport fares e.g 2 bus stops to any MRT is already 0.99 cts and going up to 1.09 cts. The only non profit venture the PAP govt has is paying its ministers and MPs such ridiculous salaries and allowances.

[@randomterror7]

@@tangt4860that’s cheap comparing to tier 1 cities in Asia like Seoul and tokyo. Plus Singapore’s median salary is higher than both Korea and Japan (along with lower taxes)

[@tangt4860]

@@randomterror7 please Seoul and Japan have affordable cars and the public transport has more comfort and direct connections with fast travel.

[@randomterror7]

@@tangt4860how do you propose Singapore have affordable cars then? The fact is that almost every Singaporean household can afford one if the cars are priced at $50-60k sgd. There simply isn’t space to go around and this is no fault of anyone. People are always complaining that living in Singapore is so expensive but they are not taking the high median wages as compared to the rest of the Asian countries into account. Plus being able to afford hdb at the current BTO prices is a dream for even people living in Seoul and Tokyo. Young people there have long given up on buying properties.

[@randomterror7]

@@tangt4860 and by saying public transport in Japan and Seoul are comfortable - do you mean having to climb up tons of staircases at train stations since they do not have escalators / lifts at many of their exits. Sure the Singapore public transport system may not be the best in every area but it has its merits too and I feel credit should be given where it’s due. There are areas where the sg transport system are superior and Singaporeans simply take them for granted.

[@Moonie0905]

Still out of touch.

[@michael8372]

what do u expect from natural aristocrats?

[@ongchinlam4631]

Singapore is heading for big trouble. Its time Singapore relevant authorities start community canteen. For senior citizens above 60 years and above. Okay

[@neymarzd9706]

1 item no profit seeking.....5 items will profit seek back. Left hand move to right hand. Citizens also blur and giddy end of day their pocket no money....magic.

[@kokkeeSeck-xs5yj]

Now the previous Singapore Traction Company STC charged only 25 cents for even end to end transits. Now that transport fares are so high, yet they don't make profits, there must be something wrong somewhere.

[@soloforce6187]

What’s wrong? His opinion

[@TerenceTHNg]

Absolutely. Why should LMW withdraw to a demanding Minister? Don't get bulled just because the opposition is only a handful in numbers in parliament.You have a right to pose questions and the minister has a duty to answer. Get this right..

[@gawindesilva]

Wat bus company losing money?dude wat nonsense u toking abt sbs all report profits, so wat not making money?they are in profits still feed them 1b dollar?

[@jarrenloke2120]

Bus services is indeed not making money. We should cut down on aircon buses to reduce cost

[@kokkeeSeck-xs5yj]

If it is considered sustainable, then the cost of living would not have risen to a crisis level.

[@joelchua1637]

if it is not profit-seeking, then the lawmakers won't be motivated. Its human nature to seek benefits on efforts made

[@kitty2527]

Get rid of the 4 Mayors, Singapore is too small to have not 1 but 4 Mayors, New York is so big but only 1 Mayor and New York is a big melting pot full of diversity and ppl from all nationalities and walk of life. Mayors in Singapore is a part time job only Denise Phua is full time and they get paid $500,000 per annum, that the best part time job ever in this world.

[@TerenceTHNg]

Overpaid for part time job.

[@kokkeeSeck-xs5yj]

It is definitely difficult to understand how the bus and MRT services were not operated with profits generated despite they are monopolies in the market. Is this the same as for other Asean similar operations?

[@michael8372]

To help families cope with the higher cost of living pressure, the Hipkins Government of NZ is providing free fares on buses, trains, and ferries for children aged 5 to 12 and half-price for all passengers aged 13 to 24 from July 1, 2023. why can't MOT do the same?

[@tangt4860]

PAP is outright greedy making full use of Singaporeans for NS but giving away good jobs with high pay to foreigners and cronies.

[@w.s.6837]

I don't believe that the bus service is not making money. How is the public transport able to sustain themselves? I think the MP need to try harder to convince.

[@kokkeeSeck-xs5yj]

The gov makes almost 1000s of percentages by way of selling COE papers. Is it not profiteering?

[@TerenceTHNg]

So obvious.

[@steventay5834]

The amount of money generated by COE is enough.. In my opinion, MRT fares should increase

[@AleksiIvanov-kz5yb]

Pappy talk cork only. Buses making too much losses because you over paid the senior management bonuses isn't it?

[@HotimusPrime]

Left pocket to right pocket. No profit??? Perhaps your salary is too high for operating cost.😂

[@justingomez3199]

Capitalism is about profit motive. Undeniable acknowledged fact. All governments operate on profit motive by way of tax revenue. Surplus and deficits Math applied for account on revenue against expenditure. Why do public transport service operators need, hand outs of billions of dollars ? Are the corridor road projects and rail projects included in auditing as a component for handouts to public service transport operators ? The questions forwarded by Mr. Leong regarding profiting by motive is not about characterization. inretrospect about expense auditing to supplement funding for public services transport operators.

[@Buttercookies0]

But here in Sg, it is not just tax revenue.

[@jhhhy2906]

This Chee hong cannot.. need Iswaran

[@TerenceTHNg]

Iswaran is more matured and receptive to answering questions unlike this new guy. Like telling LMW to withdraw his opinion first. Only then,I answer your question. Surprisingly, the Speaker did not intervene to put things right.

[@Anonymous_Lee19]

Running public service companies profitably may not be the worst idea... At least these companies do not have any excuses to lower their service standards. In countries, like the USA, organisations always blame the lack of fundings for poor public transport system. Taxpayers continue to fund these public transport, but don't get to enjoy the services.

[@antoinesimeon728]

Isn't ensuring there isn't losses = profit making although ≠ profit-seeking? Indeed, how did he get into RI?

[@raphaelsebastian1437]

Remove taxation on fuel. The cost of living will correspondingly come down. If the govt is not profit seeking, then, why is income taxed, then, the goods you buy with that already taxed income is again taxed with GST, then if you drive, you pay a tax on the fuel on top of the GST, which you pay from an already taxed income. If you still have disposable income, you invest that income and if the proceeds of that investments are profitable, you are then taxed again on that profit. This is why the govt doesn't create revenue, but instead devises ways to lessen your income and financial independence through direct and indirect taxation. Taxation IS THEFT.

[@kinng2488]

Nomatter we we did or do, 61% still don't mind high cost of living. What can u do???

[@leongkumweng4854]

Are the public transportation of buses being operating by quotas to base on the bus schedules of peak /non-peak hours?

[@BeachBoi1000]

Why they always ask Mr Leong to withdraw his statement?

[@salimsg]

Bullying tactics

[@BeachBoi1000]

@@salimsg opposition can say whatever he wants without doing his homework?

[@salimsg]

@@BeachBoi1000 Pray tell how to argue with an incumbent who held all data and figures close to their chest. To be fair you gonna cut the opposition some slack.

[@BeachBoi1000]

@@salimsgit’s a two face argument. If bus company is not profitable, people will complain PAP didn’t manage the bus company well. On the other hand, if bus company is profitable, people will complain PAP is profiting from the people. So what’s the right view?

[@michael8372]

@@BeachBoi1000 For the past 1 year, I have only heard people complain about the high cost of living because of higher electricity & water tariffs, higher GST, and higher public transport fares. who the heck cares if the bus company is profitable or not?

[@ReiLongChen]

What LMW said was absolutely true. This clown can keeps parroting his masters but the facts are CLEAR.

[@wkchoo]

Printing pieces of paper that can sell at 100k plus a piece, instead of equitably distributing car ownership to each household. Everything is about the highest bidder wins. The bus service is losing money depends on how you choose to look at it, combine it with the income it gets from renting out spaces around terminals and interchanges, will it still be losing money? Stop fooling us and treating us like idiots.

[@kwangahsan9501]

YesElegantlyRichPeopleAreNoWorrys,ButLowClassPeopleWorryMiserablelyIncreasingsTheCostOfLivingSadestly.

[@riderlivefree]

LMW just answer yes or no straight forward. why drag and drag???

[@mjoswong1947]

Mr Leong u need to go see what Europe bus system actually runs then u will come back to Sg with joy . The bus and MRT system here is so well connected and comfortable !!! . Now with this facts that government explained here , it is not only giving money and supporting this bus system .they even knowing that this is not making money and still they give money l!!! Which business man will do that for their company ! Excuse me !!! How can Mr Leong still make such comment to deny the truth and facts ????? . I stayed in Europe for 15 yrs . I am thankful really and proud to be Singaporean. It is heart breaking that people cannot see the basic facts and truth right infront of them . This is unit acceptable , some one sitting at parliament yet cannot judge simple logical facts . I am just dump folded and speechless . !!! Opposition views is welcome provided it make us grow in truth . This is just wasting our time to pay these opposition people to sit there . Give us better candidates pls ! These form of argument is not only not constructive but also disheartening.

[@reborn8708]

Pap profit seeking mindset runs sg like a company how can like that!

[@matthewlim7514]

PAP stands for Pay and Pay and Profit.

[@TerenceTHNg]

Profit like and any business entity.

[@franciscody9622]

Need new Transport Minister

[@user-kw9jt4sb4v]

This market driven policy already started in 80

[@kokkeeSeck-xs5yj]

I am surprised to hear that the bus company makes losses despite fares having risen so rapidly all these years. Why in previous years bus companies were reporting profits yearly.

[@kitty2527]

Our re-structured hospitals don't make $$$$ meh! Our CEO do they not have big big salaries despite all the issues with trains and banks not ken hacked or ATM were down and not working. ERP don't make $$$ meh!

[@tangt4860]

No they all take public transport you know with no bodyguard.

[@lucretius8050]

$2 billion for public transport but price still hiked, it all seems to be working fine.

[@xyberboi1987]

Everyday som many pple take Bus and yet it makes losses? Something fishy must be going on...

[@tangt4860]

After paying the board and shareholders the bonuses, of course there will be losses.

[@markfish1113]

Using debate of bus is quite weak, sg does indeed has cheap bus service compared to welfare countries but not the other things. There is a reason SG is top 5 most expensive city. Like dining out, car prices, groceries, property prices and bringing up a kid..

[@eatdrinkrunwalk]

Yes Sir, we only increase 1/3 of the proposed % and Govt absorbed the rest. But because of all these "absorption", Govt has to seek other forms of revenue, one of which is the revised GST. So aint we civilians funding back the "absorption" even though it doesnt seem to be "profit-driven"?

[@asky368ify]

Talking about absorbing the cost. Transportation you absorb, Healthcare you absorb. Everything you absorb, so may I ask where the govt get so much money to absorb all these? Don't tell me the PAP govt is like God, can create value out of nothing.

[@kokkeeSeck-xs5yj]

About transport cost, despite transport companies making tons of monies, yet the gov raise fares. That is ridiculous!

[@RudyTruly]

Where on earth is Iswaran?

[@mygrandkids7361]

absolutely agree, garmen must work for the very people who voted for them, now they work for themselves....😉😒

[@anghockseng5686]

We need to make a normal profit not supper profit Hdb coffeeshop rental Is very high and hawker rental is high

[@hans76sg]

newbie acting meanister trying to argue that we are not Singapore Inc. either he is trying to gain brownie points in order to be promoted from acting to actual or he is ignorant. EVERYTHING pap govt does is with profit in mind

[@ongchinlam4631]

Let me say. Singapore can have a population of 15 millions not a problems. Okay

[@SuperCobragold]

Is the goverment supporting the bus companies and trains, this is because they are all making big profits. Also all bus companies have made bids for their operation. Are they not bidding correctly.

[@wongcy713]

"uncalled for " Instead of just characterising and a hollow " uncalled for " without any substance the government should show why it is not. Of course so do the accuser.

[@kelvgan]

Singapore is small not large country to travel end to end. How much fuel loss can it be? Yet no pay cuts from top ministers and executives with sky high salary be retain? Where the logic and how the balance be weighed and measured,? After all, public transport is for the low and mid tier ppl so what rationale be talked about the cheap to the expensive ticket

[@LonganLee]

This type of standard should lead PAP for the better future of sjngapore😅

[@user-zd7qj1yb9d]

U want to reject ur prob lah.. Who u think u r want to ask ppl to withdraw their statements ah???

[@lengho6294]

Omg he asked dumb questions . He wants sg to be social wrlfare state

[@tangt4860]

And you want to destroy real Singaporeans interests.

[@TerenceTHNg]

Nothing wrong? His questions are valid and rational except unpleasant to PAP

[@StevenSmith-mv4ge]

Just answer the question and move on with the parliamentary session. Thank u.

[@TerenceTHNg]

To cut the story short, New Minister replacing Iswaran trying to impress and making demands before he answers a valid question posed. Don't waste time in parliament.? .

[@tanbin8166]

Fair play

[@oyu7505]

LMW wants subsidies for everything (no profit seeking). Without saying the source of money to level the subsidies, it must be to dig into the reserve. If that is done, the reserve (even if it is a mountain) will be flattened one day. SG will be finished.

[@tangt4860]

You forgot to mention how Singaporeans are subsidising 26 and 31 Ridout Road for the ministers' sole enjoyment.

[@oyu7505]

@@tangt4860 Pl don't say something that is not true.

[@tangt4860]

@@oyu7505 which is the part that is true?

[@oyu7505]

@@tangt4860 Everything is proven to be above board

[@yingyang2405]

​@oyu7505 Obviously you cannot do your mathematical calculation despite SLA has spent the money on both Ridout properties.

[@user-kw9jt4sb4v]

$300 million can come from COE

[@bowlampar]

'Profit' is always a dirty word to some people, it's a political fact existed since independence of Singapore. For some, manna and development fund for Singapore would fall from above if you pray long , and dream more. Any positive return on capital outlay by government is a 'no-no' proposition by any mean.

[@user-pv4it2lw6o]

If it is not profitable and running to curb the public needs then why make the commuters pay for the fares Afterall it is to assist the people burden.

[@z4zompy]

Minister x is so full of shit i dont know what to believe anymore. Instead of one meat and one veggie for my econ rice, it's 2 veggies now. If it goes down to 1 veggie plus rice, i will vote for the party that champion my interest next round.

[@user-zd7qj1yb9d]

So to u ok is ok lah huh??? The formula who set one huh??

[@user-og7rs2sq8u]

Malaysia got no COE and why Singapore got COE ? I wonder if we make babies, there will be babies COE in future. If my soul left me after 10 yrs ...can i extend my COE for my soul in order to keep me alive healthy forever. Just curious 🤔

[@yingkittham9998]

Let’s call a spade a spade.

[@physika]

He acting for how long ?

[@Jo-lz4ie]

Probably not profit seeking but overly privatised hence no ownership

[@EricTan-ey7or]

Pap govt don't help d general public. Of especially Singaporean this help never HV happen they only help themselves to HV more wealth don't fool Singaporean in Yr Parliament Debate it. Has all along bees been dominated by pap ideas policies that one sided. N help them to rule without concern n care pap don't pay attention to public concerns this has been d way they rule all these years .March 2024

[@colinchia5318]

The way you paid yourself😂

[@kkcc553]

Yup even everything also lose money lar hor. Like how HDB lose money also with all the subsidies given. But i wonder where the money goes ya? Money doesn't disappear. In HDB case, money goes to SLA. Hmmm. I guess SLA is not government?

[@Buttercookies0]

It just goes from the left hand to the right hand and vice versa. And they will always report the lost hand.

[@crusader1970]

Chee Hong Tat is a terrible communicator.