Lesser Known Office Theories

[@bradyanderson6364]

toby started the finer things club to spend time with pam and win her over, and let oscar in because he was no threat cuz he was gay

[@Maison05]

That is amazing

[@seanduffy1420]

This is more solid of a theory than anything in the actual video

[@shyamleekilanjaar5249]

This totally makes sense.. even the theory about him being the scranton strangler and striking only on Pam n Jim's relationship milestones makes sense because Toby was in love with her.. Also the loudest we ever heard him speak was when he needed a camera to take a picture with her to take with him to Puerto Rico

[@CERTAIND00M]

I honestly wouldn’t call this a theory so much as an unspoken but obvious fact of the matter.

[@paulmarion3013]

Duh

[@quoisegames1937]

Meredith: "Pam is going to hate being a mom." Future Pam would know

[@Mulverine]

Wow! I think you get a dundie for that! That quote totally slipped my mind! 🏆

[@boxbois]

Danggg

[@thehighground7926]

Dang bro, that’s actually good. But we can’t go from Pam all the way down to Meredith

[@Buttington_Headerson]

Ugh

[@Pieturadavid]

Oh yeah especially because the lice...yikes pam

[@HOLAHOLA-vh5de]

Theory: the documentary crew was paying Corporate to shoot at Scranton, that’s why they were the most profitable branch and never shut down

[@carlosmartin1970]

I think it was them buying paper from Scranton

[@poko60]

I kinda lost brain cells while watching the video. This although I can follow because it's one piece of lore that makes sense. The documentary crew actually arrived to this branch because someone commited suicide (although this is a theory, they never explain why they are documenting other then that one scene where they mention this guy, the only thing that can be worthwhile making a documentary for).. But they instead focus on the workers and rather turn it into a show (a documentary is not filmed like this. So they actually are chosing to edit and create a show like this) And so the show can go on. They pay the branch money

[@jamesck7559]

that actually makes a lot of sense as Michael mostly has always been incompetent.

[@IdeiasToscasBN]

I figured they became more profitable 'cus they were being watched at work all the time, which increased productivity. Plus maybe Michael became so over the top 'cus he knew he was being filmed and wanted to apear more

[@mechengr1731]

Also, in one of my training videos at work, they stated that paper use actually increased due to computers. So, paper is far from a dying industry

[@Rex_Crackerz]

Theory: the entire show takes place in Creed’s mind while on hallucinogenics

[@SharkSalesman90]

Whoa

[@allanshpeley4284]

Great minds battling it out and he's got a front row seat.

[@coopwill3835]

This is now cannon

[@zanderbear2487]

Not trying to be an asshole or a grammar nazi but it’s hallucinogens 😂

[@allanshpeley4284]

@@zanderbear2487 How dare you.

[@AaronCataract]

Theory: Pam dressing as Charlie Chaplin foreshadowed that she would fail art school. "And I can't even take off my hat, because then I'm Hitler"

[@bellagiglio6265]

THIS COMMENT NEEDS MORE LIKES OMG

[@gocool_2.0]

​@@bellagiglio6265 I was waiting for someone to write this comment

[@ultimategameredits]

BROOOOOO THATS GOODDDD

[@PizzaPenguin650]

So both Chaplin and hitler failed art school?

[@drogba8722]

​@@PizzaPenguin650 well she aint gonna dress like hitler for sure

[@alex1nfekted]

Kevin is a smart person. How else would he get away with fraud and having his own bar in the end?

[@Mulverine]

I do love that theory!

[@erinyejane]

Right? Isn’t that part of the genius of Kev, that he acts incredibly stupid so that he flies under the radar?

[@erinyejane]

Bre7t yeah.... or crushing the turtle over and over only to realize it was dead all along 😂

[@evilpandakillabzonattkoccu4879]

....because he plays Klevin-D Chess while the rest still think numbers are important. they arent.....sometimes, they don't even add up. 🤷‍♂️

[@eeveegaming4798]

Kevin could be smart in business and I just slow in general. We see him doing good st math in one episode so maybe he’s learned how to use his wits

[@karlmarx2161]

I feel like the pam graduating art school would also feed into why she gets mad at him when he starts working in Philadelphia. She gets mad that he follows his dream and seems to leave her behind.

[@Blaze0647]

Precisely. She built up this life in her head and explicitly states in the show that she'd envision it lasting for a long time.

[@Roberta_Trevino]

But she can't tell him that she lied to him cause then he wouldn't trust her, so she's just mad and hurt. But also I believe that's why she didn't get angry when she found out he lied to her, because she had already lied to him. She just got mad over the him leaving part

[@robd2456]

The Pam passed art school falls apart when Pam becomes the “office manager” and pretends to find a new office site. Dwight calls her bluff and Pam panics bringing up all of her failures to Jim. Art school being one of them.

[@fele09]

@@robd2456 and the cold open when Erin says she won an art competition or something, Pam looks really hurt

[@anneramsey4655]

@@Blaze0647 its breaking my heart

[@drewneal6966]

Theory: Kevin is actually a genius but play the part of a idiot so he can steal money from the company and people think it’s just his mistakes for being an idiot. That’s why he has enough money to buy the bar and is really good at poker.

[@biggestdazzlah5322]

That is a good theory but if he was so smart then why did he lose all his money gambling? And had to go to rehab

[@jamescoleman8173]

@@biggestdazzlah5322 just part of the illusion

[@emilywestlake1496]

Life is just one big game of Dallas to him

[@veryrare4443]

@@emilywestlake1496 lmao cracked me up

[@yiggles4136]

He didn't but the bar, he was famous from the documentary and people kept on buying him drinks, which he didn't drink, and he got loads of bar credit, the bar made him a partner and he then got the bar

[@arshadroshan4242]

If Meredith is alternate version of Pam, then Todd Packer is alternate version of Jim who didnt marry Pam. In support, Jim enjoyed adventure and pranks, Todd Packer is a traveling salesman, prankster, and also he is seen dancing meredith a couple of times. He is mean because of how much he has lost in life..

[@joshuaespinoza2117]

Holy crap that's good

[@astrid9644]

underrated

[@quackingpanda8466]

This theory doesn't work. Todd Packer isn't asian

[@SpacePlan10]

Maybe Todd is the alternate Roy?

[@PaperBagProduction]

@@quackingpanda8466 Yes he is, he always has been. Good on you for not seeing race though!

[@yisussb]

To the last theory, my headcannon was always that the film crew did actually recorded every day in the office, but the episodes shown in the series are only the highlights

[@erikk17]

Exactly :) we are watching the document that aired in last season

[@snotte.a8670]

Exactlyyy. I didn't know how to word it, but you said it amazingly

[@yisussb]

@@snotte.a8670 thank you :)

[@misadique845]

In season 9, the office members say that they didn't have any privacy for 10 years. They would have had privacy if it was only once every few weeks.

[@JackJacksonMMA]

Same

[@thebeatlesremastered8144]

my jan theory is that she was sad about her being found because she wanted her candle used at her funeral .

[@Mulverine]

I like that! I generally think she was just trying to save face, because she was so excited about success from a tragedy.

[@evyalley]

Are you A Beatles AND Office fan?! I have so much freaking respect for you!

[@jenm1]

This is obvious lol

[@evyalley]

B P Shut up and let me be happy.

[@prisonmike1658]

Evy Alley You too! I too like the Office and The Beatles 😂

[@belle369]

The Pam is Meredith in the future if she stayed with Roy scared me.. Thank god she married Jim

[@gavins.9254]

Karen and Jim 100%

[@candycane1744]

👁️-👁️

[@iamaqween5156]

G̽̈ā̒̀v̓̎͛͐ĩ̽̈́n̋̓̈ Sͤ̓͛. Get out of here with that 💩

[@chiriviscospower]

On the flip side Jim would've been better off without Pam. She was constantly holding him back from accomplishing greatness.. She was annoying and selfish. I would have thrown her out like yesterday's empty milk jug.

[@jazzydadj6206]

@@chiriviscospower I see what you mean but Pam kept telling him to go and Jim wouldn't on his own

[@ToyInsanity]

Hunter is the father of Astrid

[@shivumganesh]

Basically fax

[@rrosidiaz]

**Assturd

[@grumposaurrex3629]

Why did I never think of that 😱

[@HaPPy-nk4jn]

What about Kevin

[@glonko_yt]

This vid is unknown theories

[@LarryLeeMoniz]

Actually, I read this as Jan was disappointed that they found the girl because they wouldn't need to buy her candles for the vigil anymore.

[@amyhannapel6807]

I was thinking that she was more worried that she was gonna get caught, because the girl was found

[@jamesthegr8er595]

Typically, you're only holding candlelight vigil for someone once, so she wouldn't be worried about them not buying more candles as they realistically wouldn't regardless of if they're found or not

[@BtrDaze]

Imagine Pam graduating art school and Jim an executive at Dunder Mifflin. Both in New York.

[@Mulverine]

I love that.

[@enochyau5486]

In this case Jim would have lost his job when Dunder Mifflin was bought out by Sabre.

[@duckysguidetoshipping8930]

I lvoe that so much

[@flatliner1234]

@@enochyau5486 i’m kinda late but if ryan never got the executive job i don’t think they would’ve had to sell out

[@Levacque]

@@flatliner1234 I dunno about that, there didn't seem to be major financial losses for Dunder Mifflin from that, at least nothing that's brought up later as the reason why the company is failing. When Michael Scott Paper is getting themselves bought out by the company, Wallace mentions that Ryan cost the company a lot of money and that's kind of it. That line seems to be the only major consequence from Ryan's fraud, plot wise. It's not till much later, after Holly has come and gone away to Nashua, that corporate starts closing branches and Sabre shows up. However, for a great thought experiment, what could Karen have accomplished at corporate if she had just been given her chance?

[@thomasbreazeale371]

My favorite is the Meredith/Future Pam theory. Made me realize there are definitely more parallels to their characters than there are at first glance.

[@johnflores7016]

When ever Meredith is called Jim’s wife she says “she wishes” and immediately drinks. Speaking in third person and trying to drink the pain away... nah jk

[@daves4678]

Hol up....

[@paris5075]

i think the “she wishes” commentary from meredith is her implying that pam wishes she “looked as good” as meredith, i don’t think she was speaking in third person

[@Mulverine]

Of course, but it’s soooooo fun to piece these things together.

[@lanieeperkins783]

WHOA.....THAT GOT DEEP.....

[@jorgedontola092]

@@lanieeperkins783 That's what she said

[@Krystyna104]

My theroy is that michael hated Toby so much cause he was divorced and Michael’s parents got divorced and it reminds him of that

[@Mulverine]

That’s deep! I like that one! It’s like Toby is the perfect storm of Michaels authority issues.

[@fullofwork]

No, is because the HR people Suck the fun and air out of places

[@Krystyna104]

fullofwork yes but also I’m the early seasons michael all the time mentions tobys divorce and calls him a lot of names for it. And than I noticed in one episode he talks about his moms “friend” who comes over a ton. Which can lead you to believe his parents are divorced. Idk it’s just a theroy

[@ryanrobinson5903]

From what I remember, from an interview, the hatred actually was spawned from Steve himself

[@mahak19]

@@fullofwork so you marry them to make sure they suck it out of just you instead?

[@audreyshafar5438]

I really wished that Phyllis ended up being Erin's mom or at least she gets reunited with her kid at the end of the series like Erin's parents did

[@elizabethlee2136]

They danced at Angela's wedding. He was the stripper

[@emalaw1329]

The stripper was Meredith's son, not Phyllis's...

[@yugenknows740]

I was hoping for that one too... That Phyllis is Erin's mom.

[@W0LV1E45]

If Phyllis them Erin isn't born in 86 and was born in 80-82.

[@angie-fh2jp]

But what if the people claiming to be Erins parents, were not actually her parents but just wanted to get some fame because Erin is famous now...

[@birdie7910]

The « oh they found her » was very much just to show that she only cared about the candles and didn’t really care about the girl

[@andrewrodriguez9673]

And in the bring your daughter to work episode Jakey was also really nice to Pam, for example he asked pan if he could have a piece of candy but didn’t ask Dwight if he could touch him bobble head, and maybe Pam reminds jakey of Meredith when she was younger, had a husband, and didn’t drink

[@Mulverine]

Genius!

[@ichigoisthegoat]

Jakey was also the stripper at the finale must have been awkward since they’ve seen him since he was a kid

[@jakekayden4061]

He was clearly flirting with her which makes the theory even weirder

[@breadfan_85]

" . . . the moon-faced kid who crashed into the pole. He looks like he has a concussion."

[@jpbmsilva]

@@jakekayden4061 actually make the theory make more sense accordingly to Freud hahaha

[@sgt.boneface7467]

Obviously creed ripped a hole into another universe and kidnapped meredith and left her in the office universe

[@JonathanPeel]

Exactly my thoughts.

[@sophiathefurbst]

Obviously!

[@infiniti2011]

Creed must have gotten 3 chairs, ripped the hole, and then used the chairs to destroy the chairs.

[@SharkSalesman90]

Maybe they chairs were infinity stones

[@SharkSalesman90]

Maybe creed is an alternate version of loki who is just having fun in a mundane office.

[@DanteYewToob]

I personally always kinda theorized that she just gave up. I thought she didn't fail at all and didn't want to admit she gave up again... she even says something similar to that towards the end of the show about how she "quit" art school. I don't think she secretly graduated, I think she just chose Jim and went home.

[@malboroambushed8531]

I agree, on top of that she still did pursue art by making murals for the community. So its not like she actually quit her dream.

[@kanenightshade3955]

also when she broke down crying when she couldn't convince dwight to make the building conditions better, she cries that she doesnt want to fail as an office administrator just like how she failed art school and at the sales job. thats not something she would have said while being extremely emotional if it hadnt actually happened

[@Mel__21]

Yea I don’t think she was even failing I think the pressure, and stress got to her. And she just blamed it on “failing” instead.

[@MCross-xg9ss]

Pam did say that she didn't like how much of it was just designing logos, She had the realization that it wasn't really what she thought it would be and would actually satisfy her in a career, so that was one of the main factors in her deciding to quit art school.

[@singingacapellasongsmusicc3205]

They show her with a certificate and Pam on the phone. They tell her what a huge future she has in painting and drawing. I just think she chooses Jim.

[@Ben-pp5tt]

I have a theory that there’s another person inside of Kevin working him with controls.

[@sophiakuhn5173]

I watched that episode last night. 🤣

[@tqsuited]

That's just gossip. Who knows what to believe.......

[@jadedjimmy]

I've wondered if Toby is actually still a virgin sometimes

[@myaren0101]

I think Pam is pregnant

[@TryHarish]

Andy might be gay.

[@Mel-bq4jd]

I can’t believe I didn’t notice this until now, but I love how Dwight immediately jumps up to check on Pam when she falls off the seat at 5:10

[@nyeishahart7473]

Omg right so cute 🥹

[@scargimmy3268]

Jim is Dwights homie so of course hes gonna worry about Pam

[@dan1e1473]

The fall could be improv, so maybe it was actually Rainn Wilson checking if she was hurt.

[@115UndeadAnarchy115]

@@scargimmy3268 What? No. Rewatch the show. Pam is Dwight's best friend at work, he says so himself.

[@TheMemeBoy09]

He does so because he thinks pam is having a stroke (I think it was) and wants to save her.

[@jacoblowe8101]

Michael Scott is a normal boss. Except he just goes nuts when the cameras roll

[@shuyo6073]

That would explain why Scranton is the best branch of Dunder Mifflin

[@Lexilove2016]

Well no because he acts like a nut even on hidden camera scenes

[@johnbarber4549]

Define normal.

[@kimberlysweeney1338]

Lol like how he becomes 'Date Mike' when he realizes he is on a date 🤣

[@deus_vult_1099]

Well that wouldn’t explain stuff like Scott’s tots

[@mattthomas1442]

Bob Vance always mentions his business when introducing himself not necessarily for the people he is talking to but to the cameras of the "documentary".

[@endresolberg4678]

that isnt a theory, that's litteraly just the joke

[@nucleargloop470]

Maybe that’s why he married Phyllis so he could get closer to the cameras

[@Rougarou99]

Maybe that’s how they met, but Bob Vance, of Vance Refrigeration, definitely loves Phyllis. He once spent $1000 in an auction just to hug her.

[@monke980]

i dont think thats a theory i just think thats what it is.

[@conniethesconnie]

Bob Vance is the Scranton Strangler and all the victims are people who refused to buy his air conditioners. That car in the parking lot wasn't Toby's it was Bob's. The call that came in was to Phyllis.

[@Envision405]

The candle theory makes no sense... she was concerned when they said they found the kid because it means the candles would be not be used and or not purchased.

[@abbyd3574]

Or even the fact that she was just exposed *on camera* for only caring about her candles would result in making a face like that

[@biggestdazzlah5322]

Thank you. Lol I was thinking that but I was confused haha

[@ryanfenton382]

She says “used” as in the vigil has already happened. The joke is that she only cares about her candles being bought and didn’t even bother to follow the story of the missing child.

[@keymaster430]

@@ryanfenton382 Plus, if she WERE the one that kidnapped the kid, she would know if the kid was found or not and wouldn't have had he confused look on her face upon hearing the kid was kidnapped.

[@MelodiusRL]

My theory is that Michael has a sixth sense for people reading. This is how he seems to get people on his good side, given enough time, and why he’s such a good salesman. This is also why he hates Toby, because his sixth sense tells him that he is the Scranton Strangler and not to be trusted.

[@Vegito-qz7od]

Scranton strangler point was crazy as sh1t!

[@Levacque]

I wouldn't even call that a theory, that's just a really good description of Michael's unsung talent.

[@gabrielforgeron3031]

their's actually a theorie out there that he is just a really good people person and knows how to speak to them. I prefer to think Michael is a secret genius. This is actually mentioned 2 times if not more during the show. Most notable when stanly says that Micheal may be a secret genius when he bluffs to try to get more money working for karen. Also when michael wanted to invite Jim and Pam for a diner party and has this fake assignment from corperate to make them not have plans and ends up cancelling the assignment forcing jim to go to the dinner party

[@a.a.8515]

@@gabrielforgeron3031 nah that’s just michaels narcissistic tendencies imo

[@TheItalianoAssassino]

Pam and Meredith being the same person theory creeps me tf out and I can't pinpoint why.

[@iz7942]

same!

[@SharkSalesman90]

Maybe because they are so similar but with different circumstances.

[@Taniere]

Me too

[@docbrown2045]

Then why their names are different?

[@ErgenJaeger]

@@docbrown2045 never ever in your life ask questions so fast

[@Mushruums]

Is Jan capable of kidnapping a child? Well she robbed the cradle with Hunter

[@ericdaniel323]

Took him by the hand.... made him a man.

[@dhruvsbeloved]

@@ericdaniel323 THAT ONE NIGHT!!!

[@poessketchbook373]

@@dhruvsbeloved You made EVerything AAllRIght!

[@braydenmurphy4154]

@@poessketchbook373 OH YEAH

[@yesididstopsayingididntspe4926]

So RaW

[@Name-vu1kn]

Theory: Andy and Kelly we’re meant for each other and are truly a missed love story. They are both diehard romantics. Her parents want her with somebody with a future, he comes from wealth. They could have had a romance bigger than Phillis and Bob Vance of Bob Vance Refrigeration.

[@saradarby5725]

Hopefully Bc Phyllis cheated 💀😬

[@Name-vu1kn]

Harry Potter you had better say what episode or I will Expelliarmus you from KZbin.

[@saradarby5725]

@@Name-vu1kn idk pls don’t kill me lol

[@saradarby5725]

He says “why is it okay for Stanley to cheat, or Phyllis to cheat........(Phyllis: HEY) on her diet

[@Name-vu1kn]

Harry Potter who’s he, is it he who shall not be named?

[@Rougarou99]

My favorite theory is that Kevin is the father of Astrid, given he frequented the sperm bank that Jan went to.

[@jeambeam3173]

I love that theory but getting pregnant at a bank is a whole process unless the place was doing some fucked up shit you get a whole picture and tons of info of the person

[@Rougarou99]

@@jeambeam3173 I know it was a deleted scene, but Jan did seem nervous when Kevin figured out that they used the same sperm bank. She could still know Kevin was the father, but definitely not want his influence on Astrid.

[@alibasturk773]

Also this support the Kevin is smart because Jan says sperm bank is chosing smart people

[@kennysenior4241]

Nah I think Michael is Astrid’s father

[@WAncouvOR]

I think hunter made jan pregnant 🤔 she really did like him and his music.

[@hollywoodshopaholic]

The Pam-Meredith theory truly scared me, I got chills down my spine when he brought up Roy’s connection with Meredith’s son

[@thomasgooden]

yeah i never thought of that

[@r1clipdat]

I think the Pam not failing art school one makes sense when you also think about her reaction to Jim chasing his dream in Philly. She felt like she gave up her dream for their relationship but Jim wasn't doing the same but maybe she couldn't just say that outright because she never told him that she never failed art school? Seems plausible

[@TPRM1]

My theory is that Ryan started the fire.

[@CaesarLvcivs]

​@@TPRM1 This always confused me. How did Ryan start the fire if it was always burning since the world's been turning? Guess we'll never know.

[@UnclePhil73]

I always heard the PBS in show show was originally documenting the aftermath of a coworker committing suicide but the film crew was so fascinated with the characters they found they decided to refocus the documentary around the wackiness of this office.

[@oreganospiceable]

Yes. They mention the co-worker who killed himself in Performance Review.

[@-marsey-240]

@@oreganospiceable wait what episode did i miss-

[@oreganospiceable]

@@-marsey-240 In Performance Review when they're going through the suggestion box one of the old suggestions is a request for more mental health support. Michael doesn't recognize the name and Phyllis says, "He's the guy who..."and then she mimes shooting herself.

[@Tierdas]

yeah that was Tom wasn't it rip

[@lucy-wp8ic]

Interesting idea. Doesn’t really align with it being derived from the UK office though does it? Is a different universe of course, but the first episodes and premise are basically copies.

[@the-dramatic-nerd]

Yes Jim did not cheat but Toby is definitely the strangler

[@hudsonpugh4101]

I agree the office KZbin channel made a video about Toby being the Scranton strangler

[@DaydenAspin]

Yes sir

[@Rougarou99]

“If I had a gun, with two bullets, in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and Toby, I would shoot Toby twice.” -Wayne Gretzky -Michael Scott

[@babakpersian]

No creed is the strangler

[@thekingofbboys3371]

@Bidoof there is a lot of proof

[@sambrown8883]

To add on to the theory of Pam passing art school, when she applied for a job in Philadelphia she mentioned on her resume that she went to Pratt, which makes me wonder why she put it there at all. The interviewer also never mentioned that she failed, which it seems likely that he would say something.

[@GorgieClarissa]

You can list a school you attended even if you did not graduate. I studied abroad in South korea, that school gets listed on every resume.

[@gxtmfa]

I like the “Pam never failed art school” theory. Pam was the only person who could figure out the printer. She isn’t going to fail art school.

[@ppalgannarchive]

yesss. i thought im the only one who thinks that she didnt bcoz of this pam haters. i mean she didnt really fail art school she just chose jim over art school. thats a very huge decision she made but it was worth it because her sacrifice were worth it. season 9 showed how much she grown as an artist. she got both jim and her art career.

[@SonjaHamburg]

I failed art school and i am not the dumbest. I was so annoyed and bored out by all these pretentious pricks there and the fact that you dont learn any techniques that i lost all real interest and then was kicked out. Pam would hate art school.

[@ppalgannarchive]

@@bunny-dl2fi okay big person. lets be pessimistic and accept that pam indeed failed art school because shes never good at it. happy? + dude its fictional show, theres no need to be so pressed.

[@CoolestKidOnTheShortBus]

Hunter is definitely Astrid’s dad. Hunter’s song that Jan plays at the dinner party sounds like he’s talking about a night he had with Jan. And she “made him a man” lol.

[@jazzman92478]

You did notice when Jan walked around the car with a "wide stance" like she had just "been busy" but played it off as having too much wine to drink the night she picked up Michael from the telemarketing job. That was the clincher. She was a cheater. Never went to the sperm bank.

[@garretthuggins9562]

oh jan 1000% had an affair with hunter. especially with the clark storyline in the later seasons it all but confirms it

[@VIO__]

Kevin is Astrid’s dad. He donates to the clinic near the iHop which is the “exclusive” clinic she used to get pregnant. I think that’s in a deleted scene, but for sure Kev is the dad.

[@CaesarLvcivs]

​@@VIO__Why "for sure"? Thousands of other men could have donated there. Assuming 1000 men have donated sperm to that clinic, it's a 1/1000 chance.

[@jefferykennedy3655]

I was always thought Pam just decided to drop out, and said failing so Jim wouldn’t encourage her to keep going

[@jacobcurle8964]

I thought this was pretty obviously what the show was trying to say. Pam is literally told “if you want to keep going with art you need to leave Scranton behind” meaning she has to choose between her life in Scranton and her art career. Immediately after being given that choice, she suddenly, with no warning, has “failed” art school and is coming back to Scranton. I don’t even think that constitutes a theory, that’s literally just the plot lol

[@Zamarae]

@@jacobcurle8964 I forgot about that, and always found it kind of sad. Granted, she doesn’t need art school

[@thesuperiorspyderdan9470]

Kevin theory: adding to it, Kevin does get other people’s relationships he called out the senator on how he was treating Oscar and Angela. So I could believe he had some insight for Jim

[@Zamarae]

I remember how Kevin is comparing Pam and Karen by their looks, including who has a ‘prettier face’. He concludes they are a close call, but I wondered if that was an uncomfortable line to say.

[@embrown1117]

Kevin is Jim from the same universe that Meredith is Pam. In Season 7, Episode 14 “The Seminar” Andy asks for help from Kevin to replace Jim. Kevin says “I’m no Jim, I’m only Jim in a movie where Jim sees his future self if he never married Pam”. That is why Kevin is always up to date on their relationship as well as why he gets Jim to realize he needs to make a decision before he breaks up with Karen and goes after Pam.

[@notpinkettttt6226]

genius !!!!

[@yugenknows740]

Like the episode where Kevin starts hanging out in Jim's office while Jim is on his honeymoon. The credit card company phones and Kevin says that he IS Jim Halpert and even knows his address and social security number. The lady on the phone says "so obviously you aren't in Puerto Rico." and he says "NO! I AM!"

[@ottterdude]

Theory: Michael Scott is Michael Scarn

[@dannerhoinowski9520]

Noooo, really? I had know idea! 🤯

[@YoushouldNOW221]

Definitely not. You're a fool for suggesting this. I hope the Scranton strangler gets you for this absurd remark

[@lazarbro]

I think the meredith-pam theory is 100% true but not in the cannon. It seems like some sort of conceptal thing in the writers room. The statement "Mederith is Pam if she married Roy" is still true witout any alternate universe hijinks

[@ln9256]

Yeeees this is perfectly articulated and should be 100% true in a good world

[@afterlifeauthor]

I think the show is trying to say that in reality, the lone between sweet, pretty, leading lady Pam and drunk, struggling, outcast Meredith is actually very thin. Its just a few strokes of luck that took both of them where they went.

[@hollywoodshopaholic]

Pretty much, yeah. I don’t get why people judge Meredith, she’s clearly had a hard life.

[@lucy-wp8ic]

such an astute point, and definitely sadly true

[@jayson-fj5tn]

meredith was really pam and a time traveller and goes back in time to get into pam's workplace and be an everyday reminder to pam not to mess up her decisions so she wouldnt end up being meredith

[@Mulverine]

And get a degree!

[@basednorsegael1089]

Well if that was the case, she would have vanished upon Pam and Jim getting together... unless!... they get divorced and that’s what turns Pam into Meredith

[@shockthetoast]

@@Mulverine unless getting the degree ended up causing issues between Jim and Pam in the original timeline, and she found a way to sabotage her education, while staying in Scranton to keep an eye on Jim...

[@darthjoosboxx6267]

Kevin is low key a genius. Not only did he win a Deuce-Seven Poker Tournament, but he also successfully embezzled (insider trading) enough money to buy his own bar.

[@eclipse9860]

Not to mention when Kevin, Andy and Darryl played Dallas the board game. In the episode Garage sale (season 7, episode 19.) Kevin frames both Andy and Darryl for playing the game incorrectly. Then, continues to take the money while Andy and Darryl blaming each other, leaving Kevin to run off with the prize.

[@Zamarae]

I wish they did have more of a Kevin-centered episode

[@somethingsock6707]

Insider trading is not embezzlement

[@LAK_770]

Embezzlement is stealing money from your company, insider trading is cheating at the stock market by using classified prior knowledge that you’re not legally allowed to act on. They’re totally different

[@Fetidaf]

Embezzlement is pretty much just straight up stealing money from the company while you’re working for them. Insider trading is trading on the stock market with information not publicly available. They’re two completely different things

[@khangalbumtsend9496]

That Pam never failing art school theory makes me respect her so much more. Cuz she gave up her dream profession and dream job to be with Jiim, but then supports Jim to pursue his dream job when he was joining Athlead.

[@saturn7947]

The Pam and Meredith theory give me such a eerie feeling.

[@tsp91000]

Ok the Pam finishing art school is interesting. Not sure about the rest....

[@Mulverine]

They're obscure for a reason!

[@charbert5692]

that Pam Meredith one is interesting. I dont think something Sci fi happened more like the writers were trying to project a alternate pam.

[@davidpretorius2984]

further support for this theory is how Pam was so unhappy with Jim doing Athlead. she sacrificed her dream of being an artist and then he didn't do the same thing when the roles were reversed...

[@e.k.d6181]

@@charbert5692 yeah same. Like their souls kinda similiar. There is no science ofc lol

[@MarisaReset]

Theory: Phyllis has a son, and it's Dwight

[@aliaramey112]

Proof lol

[@jonathanglls]

I think he's just referring to Michael's ad. The part where Dwight shoes the paper to Phyllis lmao

[@dr.little7311]

Do the ages line up? I mean Phyllis is the same age as Michael.

[@dr.little7311]

@@pondy3490 I mean it’s funny to entertain but yeah I *highly* doubt it my friend lol.

[@fabianespino2164]

@@pondy3490 i think they were classmates

[@n0mad458]

8:11 Everyone is impressed with her painting, but as someone who does graphic design, I'm impressed that she could do that with a mouse and keyboard with no tablet

[@davidmikan7925]

I first thought that too, but then I realised it can all be done with lines and bezier curves and a noise modifier on top to make it look handdrawn, not too hard with a mouse (for a talented artist :P)

[@davidmikan7925]

Or hang on - might it be actually handdrawn and then maybe scanned and traced or something like that?

[@bergmeister86]

I bet it broke a piece of Pam's heart when Jim decided his job was worth being away from her.

[@ana-mariailie5574]

That's not fair. People should follow their dreams and partners should be supportive of that as much as possible, unless the dreams are way off/unhealthy, etc. Someone's universe shouldn't be comprised of only one person/their family.

[@bergmeister86]

@@ana-mariailie5574 yea, but Pam gave up her dream. And also notice, I said "a piece".

[@fernandalaran244]

@@bergmeister86 Just remember that Jim supported her and she did not decide continuing art school because she hate it.

[@shawnmann]

I love the alternate timeline Pam/Meredith theory. That's the most interesting by far, and the supporting "evidence", especially Pam's drinking and Roy's connection with Meredith's kid, really brings it home for me.

[@samjohnson4758]

I have always thought that Meredith was a cautionary tale for Pam. Why else would they hire two actors with red hair. Redheads are really rare it’s not like you’re hiring two brunettes. They’re both moms, the weirdness/attraction of Meredith to Jim. Pam is uptight but loosens up as the series goes on, Meredith is definitely not an uptight gal. Meredith is not from another dimension, she just symbolizes Pam’s alternate future

[@anasarracena]

Toby and Erin are also referred as redheads. Nellie is a redhead too. Maybe the producers really like this feature

[@majakolonj426]

Nah

[@Levacque]

That kinda undermines the insane talent that is Allison Jones, the casting director.

[@alwaysemilia]

There are a lot of people from Irish descent in Scranton, though, and Irish people statistically are the most commonly red headed. I still agree that it’s a good theory :)

[@leafeonshiny2497]

but Pam is not a redhead, why does everyone think she is? she's clearly blonde or at max a light brunette :/

[@DJSethieSeth22]

lmao jan didnt kidnapp anyone she just didnt care about tha girl going missing she just glad someone used her candles. enjoying the video tho

[@Mulverine]

I love that you commented in real time! 😂 I agree, I don't think she kidnapped anyone. There's something about these fan theories that are so fun to think about though.

[@l2dopel]

Pam actually cries about failing art school in front of Jim whole Dwight overhears their conversation. She fails art school. But in that episode you can see Dwight, upon hearing this, creates an elaborate plan for the new "office manager" to get a win and helps her gain the confidence she was desperately looking for

[@luciadellalbani7667]

according to the theory, she might have been crying because she was willingly giving up on a dream she had sought after for a very long time

[@paradise356]

Meredith clearly created a machine to travel between universes to correct her past mistakes in starting a family with Roy, nudging her past/alter self into choosing Jim and being happy.

[@burkehayes5150]

I find Michael's interactions with Sasha (Toby's daughter) fascinating, in that they allow him the brief, but poignant, opportunity to fill a void in his life. Sure, it's just a band-aid, but the irony that such an important part of Toby's life "helps" Michael even a little bit is worth mentioning. Of course Toby--despite Michael's efforts--ends the fantasy by shooting down his suggestions as to how he (Michael) may actually be able to have a child of his own. I was also a little shocked that Michael wanted to be Sasha's godfather. Thoughts?

[@barsgul9370]

that might me why michael was always messing with him about how he's divorced and doesnt have a family. in a way he's jealous of him and probably thinking how this lame hr rep has what he always wanted

[@slyfox9633]

Michael has poor social skills, and never built much of a friendship with anyone in the office prior to the show starting. When the show started, Michael thought of who he 'should' be, and just tried to become that person. That's why all the shots 'behind the scenes' show Michael as much meeker. This is also why he shows so much growth through the seasons, as he slowly becomes a more genuine person. I think he made a lot of effort to make the show entertaining, which resulted in the 'character' he is.

[@ardenaudreyarji]

That’s literally Steve Carell’s genius

[@smittywerbenjaggermanjense1485]

you got it mate!

[@puneethvenkatrao332]

What 'behind the scenes' shots?

[@shockthetoast]

@@puneethvenkatrao332 I think they're referring to the footage we see of employees where seem to be unaware they are being filmed by the documentary film crew.

[@elquinardo]

The theory of Pam not failing art school is interesting, and it makes sense with the facts that are presented in season 5. But I think fails when we consider that, in season 9, Pam felt guilty for Jim not pursuing his job at Athlead to be with her. If she didn't show this guilt about it at the end of the series, implying she knows she did give something up to be with Jim, I'd think it the theory could be true. Still really cool though.

[@WeIrDGuY19941]

Meh, I think it's just Pam apologist trying to justify her ruining Jim's dream.

[@Valpo2004]

Off all the theories on here this one makes the most sense. Pam was making a choice to be with Jim over pursuing art as a career. She knows that Jim would never let her chose him over her dreams, so flunking out makes it easier.

[@e_sk8_pittsburgh]

I wouldn't have even considered this to be a theory. That was how I took it from the start. I just assumed she chose Jim over the art career

[@Name-vu1kn]

If Jim wasn’t chained to Scranton for Pam he may have taken the job at corporate in NYC. If Pam wasn’t chained to Scranton for Jim she could have been an artist in NYC. They could have had it all.

[@erinstanger416]

Name Jim wasn’t chained to Pam which prevented him from taking the job at corporate because he was with Karen. Jim went back to Scranton willingly because he wanted to be with Pam, not Karen.

[@YelløwKing666]

I always perceived Pam telling Jim her failing art school was a bit sketched. And that she just wants to be with Jim instead of actually failing but Jim wouldn’t quite understand or want her to quit.

[@erinstanger416]

I think that Pam could tell that Jim was unhappy at the thought of her being away longer.

[@benve2015]

In some episodes, when they show Meredith's desk, you can see that there's a drawing of Dunder Mifflin Scranton hanging on the wall

[@PorkShark]

"Honesty seems like pretty key in Jim and Pam's relationship" _thinks of the tons of times she's lied while looking into the camera just like Jim does_

[@Miumiu0404]

What about that theory that Roy cheated on Pam with Angela?

[@jessicacannady1931]

What theory is that? I could see that though,Angela did say he was strong and that she pick Roy over Jim. And that she played a game where she counted how many time Jim came over Pam's desk.🤔

[@fullofwork]

Jessica Cannady Roy also said in the Who would you do game That hes option was angela, and the relationship would start there

[@fullofwork]

Jessica Cannady when ............. Ryan started the fira

[@carlosmartin1970]

There’s a deleted scene with Roy and Angela, and it cuts to Angela in the break room saying she would date Roy if she could

[@guest3015]

Oh and Dwight probably knows of them sleeping together which is why he maced his face 🤔 interesting

[@Max_j9578]

"Honesty seems to be pretty key in their relationship" *Season 9 has entered the chat*

[@Mulverine]

That was clever!

[@Max_j9578]

@@Mulverine I like that theory, but I don't think it was true. Great video!

[@Mulverine]

Theories fascinate me, because they make you look at stuff you love from a different perspective. So even when they’re far fetched, just the thought process of shooting it down is fun.

[@Genny-Zee]

Theory: Michael and Toby genuinely liked each other and got on really well so they were just mucking around for the cameras and throughout the course of the series it became an inside joke that they had a rocky relationship when in reality they loved each other

[@jacktheiss4085]

this tracks because steve carrell and paul were great friends on the set

[@medevialpuppet3695]

Awesome theory

[@medevialpuppet3695]

Awesome theory

[@jazzman92478]

A great theory. Because Michael could not have gotten away with half the vitriol he displayed unless Toby was in on it.

[@jonesy2892]

Pam didn't fail art school; she quit. It's pretty clear that she wanted Jim more than she wanted a career as an artist. I mean, what woman wouldn't run home to cuddle up next to that man.

[@sunshinelolipops1]

Jim is a bully and a narcissist.

[@schneir5]

I think the whole thing about Jan not knowing the missing girl had been found was just showing that Jan only cared about herself.

[@andrewrodriguez9673]

Meredith was divorced twice and what if the second divorce was worth Jim but Jim only wanted to get a divorce so that’s why Meredith is creeped out and in love with Jim.

[@Mulverine]

That’s pretty clever!

[@jenm1]

I mean meredith says she only has two kids, Jake and wendy. Pam is pregnant before the wedding with Jim and has cece.

[@melvinegualan4554]

Theory: Ryan didn't start the fire.

[@biggestdazzlah5322]

But it’s always been burning since the worlds been turning.. AND He missed “how to make a cheesy pita 101” in business school. He was gone that day. It all adds up...

[@Berndog17]

11:34 i think the film crew was filming every day in the office universe but when the documentary aired they only showed the days where interesting things happened

[@XopheAdethri]

I never thought Pam _actually_ failed art class. And Jim would see right through it. The way they agree on how to go forward, they *BOTH* knew Pam was doing great at school, she'd just truly decided she didn't want to pursue that... because of the reasons stated in the video... But I never thought Pam was _keeping_ it from Jim, I just assumed they knew each other enough to play along and accept it.

[@ancespicere7679]

i like that a lot, i could not figgure out why i was disagreing. Thanks for the pov!

[@logancheek]

Creed is Dwights dad. The only thing I can back it up is when Dwight got a concussion he acted nice and called Creed dad.

[@madelynabeyta7205]

I mean, Dwight did say he never knew his dad. He thought his mom was his dad and his wet nurse was his mom. 🤷‍♀️

[@muffyshome1375]

I did find a loop hole in the Pam is Meredith Theory. The fact the Meredith is can’t have Dairy, while Pam has been shown to have dairy. Fun theory regardless

[@Mulverine]

The answer was in the milk the whole time!!! That’s actually a great point!

[@Thefuzzion115]

Intolerances can develop over time however, not trying to support the theory as its too far out there, but you can develop an intolerance at any age

[@Mulverine]

Touché!

[@breadfan_85]

Yeah I like the idea better that Meredith is more of a cautionary tale of what Pam could've been had she made different choices.

[@andrewdorrington711]

But.... drinking can cause lactose intolerance!!! Pam would be drinking more if she stayed with Roy!!!

[@iamaqween5156]

People say Gabe is the Scranton strangle.

[@biggestdazzlah5322]

There is some coincidences that happened. They didn’t bring up the Scranton strangler until Gabe showed up. And almost everyone in the office didn’t like him. But I think it’s Toby. There’s way to much stuff for it not to be him

[@monke980]

@@biggestdazzlah5322 i think its definetely toby but it would be interesting if it was gabe.

[@biggestdazzlah5322]

@@monke980 true. Plot twist

[@adelinesadventures5196]

I like that theory mostly because Gabe drives me insane

[@biggestdazzlah5322]

lmao fr. I think the show would’ve still been good without him tbh

[@chrislunsford5578]

When Kevin president they see. They see

[@rhettgedies7467]

I've always thought Michael is actually smarter than he presents when the cameras are around. His branch is always doing the best numbers through out his tenure there and there are 2-3 select times in the show where Michael kills it in negotiation and sales, almost outside of his character's presented capability. I think he likes to ham it up when he's on camera because he's a kid in an adult body.....but his sales skills from his past and as current manager, are always intentionally obscured. So when the cameras are off, Scott is running a pretty strong branch.

[@rpc717]

Kevin is very perceptive about people, and Jim would certainly realize this. If Jim were truly struggling with the decision of who to pursue a future with, Kevin's input would be valuable. That's why he told him to mull it over for a few hours rather than just immediately answering who's "hotter."

[@TheGlooSniffer]

Pam doesn’t have red hair. She’s brunette/dirty-blonde

[@robelee]

She is sort of a strawberry blonde, which is considered a shade of red by hair standards

[@theneonllama416]

Hair dye?

[@beansley3740]

@@theneonllama416 right, I think Meredith could very well be alternate older Pam. Obviously she's older and probably would be dying her hair in the future and switched to the bright red because she's nuts. Seen it all too many times in real life 🤣 That being said, I think Meredith/Pam theory is incredible and never thought about it. I won't know the show runners made it deep enough that it's the case but definitely thought provoking.

[@irongirltoni]

I would say strawberry blonde

[@lauracalderon2718]

Pam has brown-ish eyes, and Meredith has blue-ish eyes. This theory does not make sense to me.

[@dakzevon1311]

Or maybe never even married. “pam left, she had nothing more to see, *because she was a fiancé for 30 years*

[@motorsphere356]

They were about to get married before she broke with Roy

[@zachgowensleg]

I can't be the only one that thinks this guy kinda sounds like Nate sometimes. 😂 My favorite character!

[@abbeyh]

_really?_ your favourite character is... *Nate* ? 😂

[@zachgowensleg]

@@abbeyh haha, yeah, he's so genuine.

[@zachgowensleg]

@Competition For LOST looks like you need to watch the office again!

[@abbeyh]

Zach Gowen's Leg, okay you have a point 😂

[@harroldinab]

"This theory states that the entire cast of The Office is actually just actors". You wouldn't be wrong about that

[@EmileeBreeana19]

The Pam art school one makes complete sense and it’s probably what happened

[@cedar8930]

The crew could just have cut out the boring senses and just put in the exciting ones.

[@Lexilove2016]

*scenes

[@hrushikeshj8810]

Exactly

[@charbert5692]

thanks for bringing some of the less known theories to light.

[@charbert5692]

you get a dundie for that

[@Mulverine]

I feel God in this Chili's tonight!

[@Lexilove2016]

*theories

[@charbert5692]

@@Lexilove2016 thanks

[@RyanAnthonyDigitalMedia]

Zero dollars a year + benefits... at least she got those benefits 🤷‍♂️

[@samedz3966]

The Pam/Meredith theory is next level awesome! Makes so much sense now

[@OfficialLongPham]

I like the theory that the documentary started out because an employee offed themselves, but then it turned into a reality show.

[@marychouvarda6875]

Oh wait, that's kind off what happened.

[@breadfan_85]

The Pam and Meredith thing is interesting. Couple things you missed: Pam does actually show some signs of alcoholism throughout the series. She isn't shown to drink often or get cravings for alcohol, but when she does drink, it's always excessive and she ends up acting foolish. Also, Meredith has two kids but her husband took the girl, AKA "the good one," and Toby has a daughter who appears to be very well behaved.

[@quintenious]

Jim in his toast said she was an alcoholic and maybe he was not wrong he told the truth on accident

[@barbiefairytopia2803]

@@quintenious TRUE on that wedding toast omg

[@assistanttotheregionalmana349]

Ok so I just enjoy “The Office” without all the wild theories, HOWEVER, I DID enjoy your video and I DID subscribe to your channel BECAUSE I enjoyed it.😉

[@Mulverine]

Thanks!

[@electro1163]

Same, very intriguing stuff that many people including me overlook even when rewatching the show

[@Lexilove2016]

Toby is the strangler, The Office's KZbin channel literally has a video called "making a strangler" with Toby clips

[@pablopopo7891]

If Im not misremembering, in the episode where Pam is fighting Dwight for better working conditions in the building, she cries because she's failing as office manager in the same way she failed as an artist and a salesperson, which takes away from the theory she graduated. Furthermore, even if she pretended to fail artschool, she has to (and did) tell Jim that she no longer feels like pursuing that career because shes happy with him in Scranton and Dunder Mifflin, why wouldnt she just admit she graduated and say the exact same thing?

[@captainweekend5276]

Pam not failing art school but instead choosing Jim over it makes her motivation for wanting Jim to leave athlead/leap a lot better since she would have already have sacrificed her dream for the relationship.

[@nadia6320]

For #5, the one about the reality show, one of the pieces of his evidence is that they skip through days, but this actually makes sense for a Documentary. Not every day is going to be interesting to air. It makes sense that they would be filming almost every day but only use some of the footage.

[@gwynethrutan4113]

so, I actually assumed while watching the episode where Pam leaves art school, for the second time, that she hadn't really failed, and lied to Jim. But, I think thats a really brilliant story telling technique, because of the little knowing smirk she throws at the camera. And, in the final season there's this whole thing where fans of the documentary questioned her devotion to Jim, who was written to be this like lowkey, selfless kinda guy for her, and Pam was so hesitant, so I feel like it was written to imply she lied, to know she really was as all in for Jim.

[@vaporwavevocap]

As much as I love the Pam never failed art school theory, I remember Oscar and his "Roommate" at her art display and their criticisms of her art, as much as the art had a lot of emotion in it, their criticism wasn't wrong even if it was cruel. Her lighting was way off, the parking lot was empty and had no lines, the area looked empty and lifeless. I don't think she's a bad artist, far from it, but she needed a lot more work before she was really successful.

[@lucy-wp8ic]

Definitely wasn’t an impressive piece. And even if her work was gold, Pam lacked the drive for the art world as well. You have to assert yourself in a way that is too incompatible with her nature. She’s too sweet, too humble to ever be successful in that kind of industry.

[@booaye531]

the thing with this is that yes that piece of hers sucked but she must of had something that convinced PRAT to accept her- that is an extremely rigorous and hard art school to get into

[@LC0509]

She failed art school because they switched a class from acrobat to quark (2 similar computer Programms), so it wouldn’t really have to do anything with her artistic abilities much rather than her ability to deal with computers (which she also implies by saying she “hates computers”). Besides that I think her classes concentrated more on graphic design than typical “art” like the one from the display. In that Field she has proven to be pretty good. On the other hand in the opening of the scene, she walks out of the a building, probably her school, saying “I can’t believe this” & then proceeds to dial Jim & talk to him about it. So my take on this is that she didn’t really fail art class but just did not want to proceed with it anymore because of Jim & Scranton etc.

[@Kevin-cy2dr]

Also one of the visitors at the art museum called her drawing a "motel art". Her drawings are good for an ameture.

[@LTP1776]

Theory. Kevin is a secret genius

[@jmart1526]

I think pam neither failed nor graduated art school. I think she dropped it midway through. Similar to the theory in the video, I believe that she realized she couldnt spend more time apart from jim. But she couldnt tell him that she broke off art school just for him, because then he would have felt as if he was standing between her and her dream, similar to how roy did. So instead, she made up an excuse to go back to scranton. Another point that hints at her not failing is that you dont talk to someone and only then realize youre failing. You get back an exam or you receive an email. Pam made it sound like she was seeking the conversation, in which case she mustve at least had a hunch that she was failing already and in that case she wouldnt have presented her as happy as she did