Let's Analyze Death Battle: Goku vs Superman 2

[@adrian_veidt]

what do you think of future state and electric warriors disrespecting superman prime one million?

[@levelzanimations]

great job

[@dior512]

Guess he was limitless fighting doomsday to right. And got his ass whooped. If doomsday and superman are in a fight going blow for blow and doomsday could increase his power 50 times. Superman can still keep up with. multiply that by 2. Now he's a hundred times stronger. Superman can still keep up with him. Multiply it by 4. He's 400 times stronger. Superman can still keep up with him. multiply that by 10 is 4000 times his normal power. But superman will still be able to keep up with him. Please !!! And goku is way stronger than doomsday. This is ridiculous. and it take superman time to match who ever he's fighting. And he's never fought someone as strong or as fast as goku. He got thrown across the room into a table by batman without a robotic suit. Got his ass kicked while batman was in the robotic suit. and batman can't do either of these things to goku. Let alone get beat up by doomsday, darksied or mongol. name one of them that can beat frieza , cell or majin boo. you didn't say anything about all of his feats bs. Eternity is a measure of time not weight. And they didn't even lift spectre of the ground. they only lifted his cape. and he needed wonder women to help him with that. the book of infinite pages weight is never given. Infinity does not necessarily infinitely massive. This just like you said about the katchin is an assumption. He only survived the electro magnetic shock of the 50 super nova blast. Which was also light speed and he couldn't out run it If he would have been hit by the actual blast it would have instantly incinerated him as soon as it touched him. I've never seen superman move so fast that it looks like he's teleporting. But goku can moves so fast that burter and jeice couldn't even hit him. And it looked like goku was standing still. And burter was so fast that when vegeta threw a dragonball. He caught and came back before vegeta, krillin and gohan even knew what happened they could barely detect his movements. and vegeta, krilllin and gohan are pretty fast themselves. and this was before super saiyan. if superman is so fast he should be able to dodge all punches from doomsday, darksied and mongol but yet they are always able to hit him. Bet they wouldn't stand a chance against goku. not to mention the 3 year training for the arrival of the androids. The one year hyperbolic time chamber training. The 7 year other world training. and his training with uub. So don't say they analyzed goku correctly. they didn't analyze him at up. Especially in this second fight. I am going to to compare the people they fight. Nobody I can think of that superman has got his ass kicked by can beat goku. If superman could move a million times the speed of light without the vacuum of space in an atmosphere. Then he could stop all the crimes on earth. Maybe even stop people from stubbing their toes. Just look at Quicksilver in X-Men days of future past. But yet superman still gets hit. You'll never convince real dbz fans that superman can beat goku. And superman fans have to many different versions of him to let it go. weak versions like the movies wear he loses he powers and cant fight worth shit, versions where muhammad ali kicks his ass to versions he trained by batman and wonder women and knows cryptonian martial art. I think goku wins. HANDS DOWN!!!!

[@Animeaddiction]

+Chase Dinero Try again. You TOTALLY missed the point about the rematch. Limitless potential means that there's NO CAP as to how much solar energy Superman can absorb, how long he could absorb it, or how high his powers can climb. Fifteen minutes in the Sun and he can effortlessly push planets. Fifteen thousand years in the Sun and we get Superman Prime, who's literally God, (not A GOD but THE GOD). Who says he can't go any higher? Nobody that's who. And I guess you missed the end of the analysis. Saying Superman got beat by Doomsday is the same as when Goku got ONE-SHOT by Radditz. After Superman unlocked those mental barriers on his powers, Doomsday later became less of a threat, just as Goku improved enough to beat Nappa without much trouble a year later.

[@dior512]

+Hung Nguyen every time he pushes a planet he need help. Except for pre crisis. and were not talking about superman prime we are talking about superman. The same one that got his ass kicked by doomsday mongol darksied and almost got his neck slit by wonder women. He should be able to increase his power to beat doomsday if his power is truly limitless. It doesn't matter if he is in experienced or not limitless is limitless. yet superman does get his ass kicked. Analyzing goku in the saiyan saga only is not analyzing correctly. And you did not mention anything about what I said about goku's training or superman's bs feats. But what ever it is what it is. If you think superman can beat goku then that's fine. but your not going to convince me. especially when you didn't really say anything in your reply. And from what I understand superman was in his prime when he fought doomsday. but there are so many versions of him maybe I could be wrong. But you didn't answer any of the other things I talked about. So I'm Good. You have a nice day.

[@Animeaddiction]

Chase Dinero Like I said, you missed the point completely. All you did was rant about this and that with the same arguments other DBZ fans made in the first Death Battle. You accused Screwattack of using different versions of Superman or specified some such feat about Goku at some point in his timeline, when they specifically stated, "We're looking at these fighters at their MAXIMUM POTENTIAL, not at some random point in their timeline." A weapon or ability is only effective if the user knows how to deploy it. Sure Superman got defeated early on, but after learning to harness his potential, those who beat him found it harder or even impossible to beat him in the same way. Lex Luthor has a stockpile of Kryptonite at his disposal but Superman later learns how to deal with it and even builds up a resistance to it, making it even less effective. As a result, Superman is still kicking. In the end, the main difference between Goku and Superman is that yes, Goku can achieve great levels of power in time, but Superman IS ALREADY THERE AND STILL GOING. Goku will be playing catch up for eternity.

[@dior512]

your talking about different versions right now. and if your not. Be more specific about which superman your talking about. Who wrote it and what comic. Like give me something and you haven't answered any of my questions just dodged them. Because I seen him lose his powers in a movie and get his ass whopped. by some random guy in the movie. not to mention getting beat up by ali. Despite MAXIMUM POTENTAIL I gave videos to look at you didn't reply to that or anything I said. you just told me random super man stories I just supposted to know. I looking at what I have seen and know about superman. Not what you know about superman. Superman goes 1,000,000 times the speed of light top travel speed in the vacuum of space but is slower in an atmosphere . Only setting off sonic booms he cant even beat the flash in a foot race. Goku can go 4,000,000 times the speed of light battle speed in an atmosphere. Not to mention instant transmission. There is no competition to me. But like I said you have the right to your opinion. Say what you want to say. But your not going to convince me. This will be the last comment I send. Your talking to a brick wall and apparently so am I.

[@Animeaddiction]

Chase Dinero You really didn't do the research did you? Post-crisis Superman is what they used in the first Death Battle and the rematch was just a continuation. They may have mentioned New 52's Super Flare Power and used Man of Steel's costume but essentially it was the same Superman from before. Don't take the movies or cartoons as canon since they were based and ADAPTED from the comics. If that's the case, then I say the live action movie Dragon Ball Evolution was canon and Goku IS FAR WEAKER than anybody. Superman doesn't do faster than light in atmosphere unless it's an emergency BECAUSE HE KNOWS THE ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS WOULD ENDANGER OTHERS. static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111130781/3655921-6703540211-18478.jpg Oh look, here's Superman knocking out the Flash. i.stack.imgur.com/uOwC9.jpg Dragon Ball was written by Akira Toriyama, a guy who admitted he knew squat about science and Goku has NEVER shown any FTL moves. Where in Dragon Ball Z was it stated Goku moved 4 million times the speed of light? Nowhere, that's where. It's all fan-based assumptions and overestimation. Don't link me to a blog or video some fantard made with no proof other than stuff he pulled out of his rear end. I want the original manga, the anime, you know, the ORIGINAL SOURCE. If you can't do that, then you've lost this debate before you even got started. And before you get started about some nonsense of battle speed vs travel speed, go to this link. outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/13-general-obd-terms/79-combat-speed-fallacy Why don't you do some actual research and LEARN from the original source? Not take the word of some fantard who doesn't know what he's talking about.

[@juliansuarez4681]

nice job man I can't wait to see more analyzes of death battle :-)

[@doomsday2703]

Hey Hung I hope all is well. I hate to bother you but do you have a link I can use for the original Japanese text regarding Goku's position on Namek when he's in the healing tank? I recall you telling me the original Japanese clearly states he's not on the other side of the planet like most fans think due to the English translation and I wanted something to refer to when that point is ever brought up.

[@Animeaddiction]

This guy cleared it up. www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38186

[@doomsday2703]

Thanks! Hope all is going well for you.

[@doomsday2703]

Jessie James Lol Still a worthless troll aren't you?

[@doomsday2703]

Lol you forgot I make seven figures. Even if I believed your lies I'm still worth 10 times you. You're just a worthless pig.

[@doomsday2703]

Lol suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure. Don't lie. We both know you just get six dollars allowance from your mom. That's all there is to it. And you can believe what you want to believe. I'm also still laughing that you're just dying to know if I'm still a virgin or not. Are you that desperate to make sure you're not alone in the world? Lol.

[@trooperc2486]

u missed other battles

[@nexusshark]

What ScrewAttack described was limitless potential, not limitless strength. Limitless potential does not apply to VS debates. At any given time Superman will still have limits to break. Also, you analyse the animation as if it had some canonical context or value or story behind it. That whole animation was completely fabricated by Screwttack anyway. ScrewAttack said they used a mixture of Post Crisis and New 52, which is already an unfair thing to do. The important part is the analysis part. And ScrewAttack did a really horrible job. And I can already smell how you're going to defend it.

[@vishnubalaji9500]

+nexusshark yeah this guy , judging from replies to other i can say he has some serious screwattack butt kissing going on

[@nexusshark]

Vishnu Balaji And the way he "salutes" to them. He is essentially nothing but a screwattard.

[@Animeaddiction]

Oh really? And the first Death Battle in which they used versions of Goku from Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, the non-canon movies and GT (which is now non-canon) didn't count either? Even in the rematch Superman didn't need to use the Super Flare and it was pretty obvious it was a continuation of the first battle, so basically it was the Modern Version of Superman. They just used the Man of Steel outfit because it looked cool. And BTW, if it was continuation, then Goku shouldn't even have the Super Saiyan God or Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan forms. He would have come back to life with just his Max, SS4. We don't know how long Superman searched for the Dragon Balls, so it's very plausible he charged up a lot in space before bringing back the Earth. Like I said, you have to give both fighters the benefit of the doubt. Lastly, Screwattack has no say in the outcome of any fight. They only HOST Death Battle. It is the Death Battle Team that creates and determines the winner. I even spoke to one of the Death Battle researchers +MaxOfFewTrades, and even he doesn't know the final outcomes once he provides the research. So calling me a Screwattack fantard when Screwattack doesn't even make the Death Battle is just showing ignorance. Go to KZbin and search for the Side Scrollers Reaction for Goku vs Superman. Go 16 mins into the video and you'll hear the lowdown on both Screwattack and Death Battle.

[@nexusshark]

Hung Nguyen That was simply for the animated fight. In actuality they used manga Goku. Like I said before, the animated fight is just for show. And again it is fabricaded by whoever concludes the outcome on whatever lazy research they got. I don't care who is responsible for the research or the final outcome or the animated fight. What I care about is the accuracy. And there was none.

[@Animeaddiction]

***** Okay fine. You don't agree and you seem to be up in arms over Death Battle in general. So here's some advice. Don't watch it and don't comment on it.

[@Mystic_Wukong]

I don't think you know what he is capable of

[@Mystic_Wukong]

You want to continue

[@Animeaddiction]

I've already gone through this. It hasn't changed the outcome. Goku has to train in order to reach a new level, then train to exceed it. Superman can simply absorb more solar energy. There is NO CAP as to how much solar power he can absorb, how long he can absorb it, nor how high his powers can climb. That's WAY FASTER than Goku could ever keep up with. Goku will run out of gas long before Superman does.

[@GoodNeutralEvilChaos]

no commentary at all this time? why?

[@Animeaddiction]

Didn't feel it was necessary and it tends to distract from the video.

[@GoodNeutralEvilChaos]

fair enough

[@Animeaddiction]

***** And that changes the outcome of this rematch how again? Superman has DEFEATED Gods before. Even in Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, Goku had trouble with NON-GOD Golden Frieza and needed to cheat using Whiz's time-reversing effect to get a second chance. The beings called Gods in the Dragon Ball Universe can be matched and even surpassed by mortals. They simply don't compare to Gods found in the DC or Marvel universes. Cosmic beings such as the Silver Surfer or the Spectre could EASILY put down the likes of Supreme Kai or Beerus. It was even stated in the analysis that Superman's universe does not conform to the same level as Dragon Ball. Like Chad James stated before, it's not even close. Superman won. Goku lost. Move on to the next fight.

[@Animeaddiction]

***** Oh yeah, InfiniteTwice the guy I already debunked and who refuses to debate with me since he KNOWS I'll shoot him down fast. I challenged him to put Goku's feats under the same rules as he did with Superman and GOKU FAILED EVEN HARDER. After a couple dozen debunked feats, he finally said, 'We shouldn't strictly apply the laws of science and physics to manga and comic characters' That means the laws he strictly applied to Superman are INVALID, and he shot himself in the foot. And his new video is nothing but more hypocrisy and double standards.

[@Animeaddiction]

***** Hey genius, it takes 53 Quadrillion Megatons to destroy the Earth. www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Beam/DeathStar.html A supernova has the explosive power of 10 OCTILLION Megatons. (actually 24 to 48 but we'll go with Death Battle's number) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent Mathematically speaking, one supernova is equal to 188,679,245,283 Earth-sized planets being destroyed. To destroy a solar system, you need only to destroy the central star, the planets orbiting it, and whatever moons, asteroids or celestial bodies in it. Our Solar System has only eight planets, (nine if you count Pluto), 166 natural moons and an asteroid belt. www.universetoday.com/15516/how-many-moons-are-in-the-solar-system/ InfiniteTwice may know some science but he's got a POOR sense of proportion when applying it to fiction, especially when it comes to Dragon Ball. Even if we take his Inverse Square Law into account, astronomers theorize that it would take approximately 1-2 supernova type blasts to destroy all the matter in the Solar System. We're only talking about 10-20 Octillion Megatons. www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2001-11/1004909251.As.r.html And considering that Superman withstood a blast equal to 50 Supernovas (500 Octillion Megatons), then yeah, I'm pretty sure he could tank Beerus' so-called Solar System destroyer. Heck, we don't even know the size of the Solar System he destroyed, which could have been composed of 3-4 planets or maybe just 1 planet circling a small star. Whiz and Beerus simply used variations of Goku's Instant Transmission technique. It's no different than Superman using the Justice League Teleporter or Star Trek's Warp Drive. It's just a means to bypass long distances without having to physically travel it. And again, so what about the laser? Golden Frieza's ki was definitely NOT divine ki but it still hurt Goku. The only difference between regular ki and divine ki is that divine ki works on a HIGHER scale and magnitude. It's STILL KI and Frieza simply trained his ki to match the scale of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan's. If it was something different, they would have called it something else. It's NOT MAGIC and even Superman has ki. ALL LIVING THINGS HAVE KI. The thing is, he hasn't developed it like Goku and relies on his solar-based powers. If he did develop it, then Goku would have to deal with both Superman's ki and his solar-based powers, which would have ended the fight even faster.

[@dior512]

Ohhh yeah and by the way the book of infinite pages. He needed Captain Marvel aka Shazam to help him lift it and they dropped it. Yet it didn't fall threw the earth sucking it up like a super massive black hole would. that is if it where infinitely massive as screw attack claims it is. It was floating in a blue sphere which was not being affected by gravity normally. And if spectre was infinitely massive he would have fell threw the planet as well just like the book if infinite pages yet he's just chillin on the ground and the planets not going anywhere not going out of orbit not falling threw the planet NOTHING!!!The black hole superman was holding was inside a machine and a little bit of gravity was coming out of that black hole putting massive strain on superman. Watch Superman Vs Goku 2 Death Battle Review/Debunk by SSJRyu. Watch Superman vs Goku: An Objective Look by demonachaos and GOKU VS SUPERMAN WHO WOULD REALLY WIN By Lexander Flame. Also watch Film Theory: What is Dragonball Z Kamehameha Wave by the Film Theorist. Which proves Lexander Flames point about the ssgss Kamehameha killing superman just like in allstar superman.

[@Animeaddiction]

+Chase Dinero You really didn't do your research, did you? The Book of Infinite Pages was actually an entire storehouse of all the knowledge of the multiverse, and the forcefield was just to keep that data from spilling out. If you wrote out all that data on paper, you would get INFINITE PAGES of knowledge. Superman lifted half of infinity. What's HALF of INFINITY? IN (CENSORED) FINITY. Spectre was made of eternity and Superman lifted half of him. What's HALF of ETERNITY? IN (CENSORED) TERNITY. And do you think Goku could hold that machine in one hand? Nope. He's never shown that kind of gripping power. And don't you quote stuff from SSJRyu1 or Alexander Flame. They've been ridiculed and debunked by DC and HONEST DBZ fans who are EMBARRASSED every time they post. Those two massively fanwank Goku's feats and provide no actual proof other than their own assumptions. The Film Theorist is also completely wrong about the Kamehameha Wave. Ki is defined as life energy that EVEN SUPERMAN HAS. The reason why he's never developed ki blasts like Goku is because he relies on his solar-powered abilities, which are MORE THAN ENOUGH and are constantly charged by the Sun or any other source of solar power. If Superman did develop his ki then Goku would have lost even faster due to having to deal with Superman's ki attacks AND his solar-polared abilities. And I guess you didn't watch my video in which it clearly showed that Goku SCREWED UP with that Kamehameha. If he had made it tighter and focused, then more force would be striking Superman, thereby be more effective. All that power shooting over his head and past his sides was WASTED. And considering that Superman could tank supernovas anyway, makes it a moot point. All Star Superman is a non-canon storyline in which the author wrote that Lex Luthor sabotaged Superman's ability to absorb solar energy, causing his cells to overload. In canon, Superman spent 15 mins in the Sun and even flew THROUGH a red sun with no ill effects. Basing his kamehameha theory on a non-canon story is just plain stupid.

[@dior512]

Infinity does not mean mass. Nor does eternity those are assumptions. If not prove to me it does mean mass. Superman gets blasted by brainiac laser blast and gets hurt. You didn't say anything about the Objective look. And why didn't the book of infinite pages fall threw the earth if it was so massive. Because they dropped it and the earth was fine right. Just like spectre who's body I never seen fully off of the ground in the air clearly for everyone to see. Not just lifting his cape and calling it a feat. which he needed wonder woman's help to do. Show me a clear picture with space in between him and the ground. Cause I already seen Billy and Kal drop the book of infinite pages. His heat vision does not destroy planets. It can heat up a planet. You can even see a news cast in the bottom right corner. With a woman smiling. Who the hell smiles when there being cooked alive. Lets just say we agree to disagree. Your wasting your time talking to me. And I'm clearly wasting my time talking to you. But as I keep saying you have the right to your opinion. And like you said it's all just for fun anyway right. I'm not trying to go back and forth. I'm sure we both have better things to do. This will be my last comment.

[@Animeaddiction]

Chase Dinero And who says infinity doesn't mean mass? Infinity is a number so huge it cannot be quantified and like I said, it contained the infinite data of the multi-verse. If you tried to write it all down you would be doing so forever. The energy that surrounds in keeps it from spilling out and Superman's alternate version Ultraman was able to hold it so that means the Superman could too if he prepared for it. The fact that he and Shazam were able to move and withstand it for a moment says a lot. If Superman's Heat Vision can warm up an entire planet from over 200,000 miles away, then it stands to reason that at closer range and higher power output he could vaporize a planet. And what's the fraction of lifting part of eternity? STILL ETERNITY. You really are in denial if you keep LOWBALLING Superman while fanwanking Goku. Death Battle isn't a popularity contest. They love Goku more than Superman but they have to keep objective about these fights. Clearly you are not and neither were those so-called 'objective' links you provided since they've been debunked by honest DC and DBZ fans alike. And if this is your last reply, then I accept your surrender. If you reply to this or any of my other posts, then you only prove you're a sore loser.

[@dior512]

+Hung Nguyen I not surrendering to anything. You said the word surrender to make me respond. It just pointless us talking to each other over and over again over something like comics and anime. And your argument here is once again assumption. Bye!!!

[@Animeaddiction]

Chase Dinero Like I said, sore loser. For someone who said this was his last reply, you sure don't keep your word. I gave you facts from the actual scans of the ORIGINAL SOURCE AND COMIC and you give me links to fantards who provide no actual proof. Anyone reading this already got the idea that you're butthurt and idiotic for responding. Way to embarrass yourself by immediately responding.

[@luffyzorro1261]

I am sad that Goku lost and in my opinion he will always win and not a fanboy okay NO!!! based on lore context as well as principles of both universe Goku wins for one Supes when taking damage or using his powers he expels that sunlight faster than he can regain it,,, B) he was beaten to death by pure fist alone no magic or Kryptonite Courtesy of Doomsday and Superboy and Darkseid Routinely gives him a piece of humble pie... So yes But I can accept the reason why he lost which is only due to In Story BS and not via Supes own merits... Ultimately, Superman is made and will always be made to be broken in every sense of the word regardless of opponents I know Thor in context alone will mop the floor with Supes but as it is now he is tanking magic and not to mention lifting Kryptonite yeah literally breaking any discussion... I always have fate that someday Supes will be built properly as he lost his powers after that Solar flare but nah... DC blew it again they seem to be interested in the cool factor rather than giving Supes respect to be honest One side note this is a match up meaning both parties should and will have access to their skills and powers otherwise we will not have this discussion, If people disregard Ki saying because Supes does not have one would mean we will have to disregard the Sun too if following that point think about it... and if you can argue that we may as well have them eat and hang out because in a fight let alone a match up Nothing will happen unless they can stare each other to death... Common sense guys come on

[@Mystic_Wukong]

Im a vegeta fan and why would i like goku

[@kdbrown63ify]

And the author of this video first logic about kryptonite completely contradict the very first thing in this video...which is the rules to death battle. .also goku not knowing about kryptonite completely contradict the first rule of death battle. ..it's both characters supposed to know about the others weaknesses unless its non canon of something. ..superman weakness always been kryptonite and magic so goku should have know that just like superman some how knows about the dragon balls and how to summon shenron. the author of this video is completely bias.

[@Animeaddiction]

Did you even bother to LISTEN to the video? I was merely answering a question that DBZ fans pointed out that since this is a CONTINUATION from the first Death Battle, then Goku would know about that little green rock. He wouldn't know what it is or where to find it thought. I even said, "You do recall that first Battle..." I'm not biased against any character. As for the Dragon Balls, according to a Screwattack Tweet, Dende was on New Namek visiting relatives so that's why the Dragon Balls existed after Earth blew up. I'm only theorizing that King Kai telepathetically told Superman about them. So why don't you ask me first before accusing me of bias?

[@kdbrown63ify]

+Hung Nguyen U stated those claims due to the rules of the death battle. rule 1..2..and 3...rule 2 & 3 misrepresented goku and superman. yet like many others that claims to give a fair analysis completely don't tend to mention the obvious. oh and even if denda is on another planet. .or anywhere. .the dragon balls stay on earth wherever they lay. the dragon balls don't travel with the guardian. never has that happened in dragon ball and there's no evidence to prove the dragon balls go with the guardian. Also since the earth was destroyed so goes the dragon balls. that would me they need namek balls to revive the earth which superman don't speak namekian..and they clearly used shenron the earth dragon. my claim of your bias stems from that. these are clear dragon ball principals that has been completely misrepresented by screw attack yet add multiple different superman feats into one new 52 superman who's new attack at best could destroy a city..speak on solar bomb thing...he release all that solar radiation. .ultimately become human for 24 hours..which could blow up a city at best...something nappa did in the sayian sage with 2 fingers when they arrived to earth...my reason of labeling you bias stems from that..not even knowing Super Sayian Blue full potential yet agreeing with screw attack. many reasons. i can go on and on...yet in short..you did what screw attack did..down played dragon ball principals while hyping multiple superman feats into one single superman. new 52...now wonder woman and shazzam also has infinite strength since they both also picked up eternity and infinity. ..and if that's not the case than superman isn't also.

[@Animeaddiction]

St Strawman It was pretty obvious that this rematch was a continuation from the last Death Battle. Superman even said, 'I would prefer that we don't accidentally destroy the Earth a second time.' Planet Namek was blown up but the Namek Dragon Balls followed Guru to Earth. Blowing up the Earth just scattered the Earth Dragon Balls all over space, but they still existed because Dende wasn't on Earth at the the time of destruction. Besides, it was just a hypothetical continuation and I've talked to one of the researchers +MaxOfFewTrades and he confirmed this. The Super Flare will release all the stored energy in Supetman, and the intensity depends on how much he's got at the time. If he's got a massive amount, he could probably equal a supernova. And considering the fact that he finished off Goku with a shot through the brain, there's no need for him to use the Super Flare. And did you even hear what Boomstick said? 'By the way, none of this was Pre-Crisis.' All those Superman feats came from Modern Era Superman, which fits since they used Modern Superman for the first Death Battle and the rematch. They only used the Man of Steel model because the suit looked cooler. You're just restating the same arguments that all butthurt fans use because they can't accept the fact that Goku isn't the all-powerful, unbeatable fighter they think he is. There's been no stated cap as to how much solar energy Superman can absorb, how long he can absorb it, nor how high his powers can climb. Goku has a limited amount of ki. Even divine ki can be depleted, and Goku has shown this on many cases. It takes far longer for Goku to replenish it. All Superman has to do is stand outside in the sunlight. That is the limit that Goku cannot overcome. Sure he can attain new forms with greater amounts of ki, but once it's used up, he's back to the same problem. The end result is inevitable. Goku will run out of gas long before Superman does.

[@kdbrown63ify]

+Hung Nguyen You sir is a liar. namek did not exploded when dende used the last 2 wishes to wish everyone on killed by freeze back alive. .then the last to move everyone on that planet except the 2 fighting to earth...namek has not exploded. ..even when they arrived on earth goku was still fighting freeza on namek. i can not debate a blatant liar.

[@Animeaddiction]

St Strawman Oh, and now you're resorting to insults? Not to mention you have every honest DBZ fan shaking their heads in disbelief at your lack of basic DBZ lore. Frieza BLEW OUT Namek's core. Dende was wished back alive by Shenron when Mr. Popo wished everyone back who was killed by Frieza and his gang, which included Guru. Then Dende used the last of Porunga's wishes to move everyone on Namek to Earth except Goku and Frieza. Goku defeats Frieza and got off Namek JUST BEFORE IT EXPLODED. The Namek Dragon Balls, now deactivated, followed Guru to Earth. Guru transfers his power to Mobly, making him the Eldest of the Nameks and keeper of the Namek Dragon Balls. Guru dies but the Namek Dragon Balls are still useable. Porunga later brings back Yamcha, Tien and Chotsu and sends the Namek to a NEW PLANET they call New Namek. And since it is in a new location, Goku needed King Kai's help to find it during the Cell Saga. Now who's looking like an idiot?

[@kdbrown63ify]

Screw attack lie so much...they said superman got beaten before when he was still learning, Ummmmmmmm did screw attack also said earlier superman LEARNED a new move..or added to him..the solar whatever. ...i don't get it..why screw attack lie so much about superman!

[@doomsday2703]

They didn't. Nothing you said makes sense.

[@Mystic_Wukong]

Also why can't we be freinds and use our knowledge

[@Mystic_Wukong]

And im not a goku fan

[@Animeaddiction]

Your butthurt ravings about Goku and your thumbnail image say you are.

[@Mystic_Wukong]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/foCQnqd6radqmcU

[@Mystic_Wukong]

This channel has more fights and information

[@Animeaddiction]

@@Mystic_Wukong Again, nothing but a butthurt DBZ fan's video. Cartoon Fight Club/Animation Rewind is a POOR MAN'S Death Battle with biased and missing research.

[@Mystic_Wukong]

Hey dbz isn't my fav anime

[@doomsday2703]

The most hypocritical thing about the Goku vs. Superman debate is the fact that the Goku fans turn to Seththeprogrammer and just assume he's right about everything while criticizing the Screw Attack fans.

[@doomsday2703]

Lol I like how my notifications didn't even show me this comment. It's like you're not important or something lol. And awwwww, a wittle ad hominem at the end? Sounds like somebody's butthurt!

[@doomsday2703]

An attempt to fallaciously attack the person rather than the argument. So yes, you did engage in ad hominem. You also clearly don't know what it means so lols at your attempt to belittle me. Oh and that's called baby talk. Adults often use it on people who talk in an immature manner such as yourself to show them they're the equivalent of a child. Guess you didn't know that either. What else is new? Lol.

[@doomsday2703]

Lol commenting on my stupidity he says yet he can't be bothered to look at his own stupidity. I love watching you show your idiocy to the rest of the world. It's so very fitting for you.

[@doomsday2703]

Which is what you did at the end of your first comment, moron. You get dumber every time you talk.

[@doomsday2703]

I also find it hilarious that you have to like your own comments. Lacking in confidence much? Lol you're such a waste of space.