Let's Build a Streaming PC... and FAIL

[@GregSalazar]

Just a heads up that the Antec C8 Curve Wood wasn't available in PC Part Picker as of time of filming. MSRP is $149.99. And don't forget fans! There's plenty of wiggle room in a budget like this, so pick and choose what works for you. Stay tuned for the follow-up video! Thanks for watching.

[@EDV8ZR1]

I was pleasantly surprised when it wasn't a 2 to 3 hour build video.

[@EDV8ZR1]

I Will Definitely Tune In For part 2

[@Dodedrommer]

its much easier to install the contact frame for the cooler with the motherboard on the box. just a small tip for next time.

[@dmxerkan]

Looks like you are a watch fan! Are you interested in making a video about your watch collection? It can be interesting. You have a good taste.

[@csoloy]

I noticed the CPU/MB/RAM combo picked for the build also matches the $299 bundle from MicroCenter!

[@Trainbuff26]

"This here, is another KZbinr's, bbbroooooken Gamer PC"

[@MeneGR]

...and in this video, we're going to try to fix it, for free.

[@Derceto00]

Sweet, it's a 2-for-1 episode of "let's build" and "fix or flop". Nice format. 🍻

[@jamesroggy1546]

Isn't this why we watch his videos to see him feck it up and struggle to fix it and then fix it Happy days :)

[@stevenanderson3205]

Fix our flop lol.

[@c-v-n3322]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ChairmanMeow1]

Building a new PC, finally hitting the power button... and nothing. Has to be one of the worst feelings in the world lol.

[@TheBlueBunnyKen]

Thank god when I built my first pc build it powered on and posted with no issues. My anxiety went away and it felt good

[@Combination12345]

Same here. I just built one two weeks ago and having it power on and post the first time was a great feeling! Watching these videos gave me the confidence to build my own rig!

[@DjVortex-w]

That's why you test with a minimal setup first. You don't build the entire pc up to the last screw an zip-tie before trying to tuen it on for the first time. For some readon I will never comprehend every single tech youtuber does this same mistake, again and again, no matter how many times it bites them in the posterior.

[@kennymilsom]

Lets build a brand new $2000 broken computer.. 🤣🤣🤣

[@davidhines7592]

cliffhanger endings... aaargh!😲

[@XxViciousxX]

Lol happened to me with an SFF build motherboard was dead. Not sure if it came that way or if I borked the BIOS flash (did one of those plug a USB into your motherboard with nothing installed) BIOS updates. But got a new motherboard and all was well. It sucked having a complete build not work and having to tear it apart to fix it. But was happy when it all worked in the end.

[@dannylaw8853]

🤣🤣

[@Waffletoasters]

A $2000 brick, amazing 🤣

[@thedegoose]

....stay, with me.

[@Jabberwocky4k]

I hope that you, your family and friends are safe from the hurricane last week. My thoughts and prayers are with those directly affected by it.

[@jeremyschillinger917]

Greg, what I love about your videos is you're not afraid to show a fail. It's something every PC builder experiences at some point. Keep up the good work.

[@TMOwen]

I respect that you are going to film a dedicated follow-up video. Looking forward to it!

[@primekiller5729]

Time for another episode of Fix or Flop with this rig!

[@agustianzafreddy3217]

don't forget the opening email 😁

[@ShadowoftheDude]

I have come to commiserate, friends. Today I finally bit the bullet and decided to build my new rig. I’ve had all the parts ready to go for… an embarrassing amount of time; I was avoiding it because I was going to reuse my old case and hard drives, and I was switching from nvidia to amd, so I knew it would be a hassle. And, oh boy, it was. But I got it together eventually, booted it up, prepared to install the new drivers… and it blue screened. Repeatedly. But it wasn’t the drivers that were the problem at all, that was a red herring I spent way too much time on. Turns out one of the RAM modules was faulty (new, from Corsair). I tested both in the same slot, and one cause a blue screen within a minute, even if you were sitting on the login screen, while the other worked perfectly. It’s thanks to your fix or flop series that I even knew to do that.

[@auntmaryspals7978]

Ram was my first guess, but people are talking about the socket having issues so I'm not sure.

[@sidgysoho1960]

I have to assume the RAM was DDR 5. In which case auntmarypals7978 is on to something. See derBauer where he talks about the new gen memory. Good for U on U'r 1st build !

[@JamelD23]

Check The Front Panel USB Type C Cable make sure it's Plugged in Correctly @Greg Salazar (I've Had a Similar Issue)

[@sp00n]

That prevented your PC from powering on?

[@PwrOfGodAndAnime]

its the socket. did you not see the stuff that looked like thermal paste all up in the pins? you can see it really good @4:23

[@GregSalazar]

It's not the socket :-)

[@stompmaster]

@@GregSalazar Why does the socket look like that? All smooged up!

[@CapnKitten]

Honestly, the first thing I'd check is to make sure the Arctic contact frame is tightened down enough. The lack of contact pressure for the pins would explain the Q-Flash Plus working but not front panel connectors.

[@CrimFerret]

That curved piece of glass was probably the single most expensive part of this case. I think it looks amazing. What an amazing looking case. They just told LianLi to hold their beer. Is that even available on the market yet? I'd seriously consider moving my system into that.

[@TheBattleRabbit860]

I'm happy I built my PC when I did. Ordered everything in early April when the 7800X3D was still affordable. I got it on a Newegg flash sale to boot, paid $330 or $340 for the CPU, and got a 4070Ti Super for just over $800, but I could have gone for a cheaper model, I just really liked the look and specs of the one I got.

[@fallenphoenixfilms]

It's not the flop we wanted but it's the fix we deserve, in a week or so. Safe travels!

[@Venoxium]

I personally got a 4070ti Super for the dual encoder. If I'm not mistaken, anything under a 4070ti does NOT have the dual encoder. I used to have a RTX 2080 Super and I could easily stream to KZbin & Record at the same BUT if I wanted to stream YT & Twitch then the encoder would overload. So I recently upgraded and now I can stream to YT with AV1, also record with AV1, and use NVENC H264 for streaming to Twitch & it's been working perfectly!

[@JynxedKoma]

When your "Let's build" video turns into an episode of "Fix or Flop".

[@danielhulan3058]

Hreg, this may be a dumb question but do you realize how close to a million subscribers you are? Super excited for you. You deserve it man.

[@handystick5961]

I saw liquid damage on the motherboard. The socket looked really strange too

[@msandonato23]

went back and looked for myself… you could be onto something 🧐 or it’s shadows

[@AndyMitchellUK26]

It isn't liquid damage. It's a board where he previously purposely covered the socket in thermal paste. The liquid "damage" you can see is where he cleaned the board off with IPA and he tested it afterwards. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZoLMgKOlnquthq8

[@MeneGR]

That wood is so nice, maybe in a smaller size, without such a huge tempered glass panel, it would be perfect for a home theater - gaming PC! Also, 9:02 hello there!

[@DM-eq4rs]

Nice haircut, mate. You're like 10 years younger now. 😎🤙

[@GregSalazar]

Thanks! I cut it myself :-D

[@DM-eq4rs]

@@GregSalazar You have some skills not only in tech, but also with style. Hats off haha 🙌🎩

[@richhoeffer5245]

Your own FIX or Flop episode

[@sp00n]

@@GregSalazar How do you do the back of your head & neck? I've found this the hardest part when cutting your own hair

[@PixelatedH2O]

Kudos to Greg for taking a video "failure" and still uploading it. I guess ultimately getting another video out of this system is probably better overall.

[@techluvin7691]

12900k is a great choice. Just built one in a Thermaltake View 71 full tower, WD Black 2 TB Nvme, RTX 4070 Super Founders Edition GPU, 64 gb DDR5-6400, 1300 Watt PSU, Noctua NH D15S CPU Cooler, Asus ROG Strix X670E WiFi, LGA 1700 Contact Frame.

[@CoreyPL]

Yin Yang build and "Let's Build" mixed with "Fix or flop" - Greg is on the mixing mission for sure :D

[@sitordan]

Antec's back, baby! Also, the haircut 👌.

[@werecow68]

After teasing us with this video, you owe us some guitar playing at the end of the fix video!

[@darthllama1]

Sorry man, it sucks for your schedule.. but it certainly doesn't suck for the channel. Things like this happen, they are part of system building and it's cool that you leave it in and show the process instead of just fixing it off camera and pretending it was fine. Building is easy when everything works out of the box, but it's the diagnostic process when things go bad that is the true art of it all. Looking forward to the follow up to this, I have a feeling it will be a learning experience for many of us.

[@BowsettesFury]

Oh that’s definitely the mobo. Q-Flash and the thermal paste in the socket. I think I remember it working before though. So it could’ve developed a problem internally. Hopefully not.

[@lakephillip]

I recently had a new HTPC, that wouldn't post. Brand new EVGA PS, and when I checked it on a tester it was in "ATX Parameters". After swapping out almost all the other components of the build, it ended up the power supply. I was relieved and disappointed that all that trouble and it was the BRAND new EVGA. After all of that , I got a new power supply tester, a Thermaltake Dr. Power III. Can't wait to see your solution to that sweet build.

[@p00ner]

You should do an Adam West Batman-esque outro. Like "Will Greg find a way out of this tricky situation? Find out next time on the same Greg time, same Greg channel!" On another note I've still got my Antec 900 with a new Noctua 200mm top fan and thinking I should turn it into a home nas server with all it's room for activities.

[@corkyn34]

FWIW, the temp "fail" makes your channel more relatable 😀

[@knottssonasty3603]

That’s a good looking case. I love the curve. I just built a new system using the NZXT H9 elite and it cost me too. Looks awesome but I would have went with this case in a heartbeat!

[@Miniputt_999]

Antec has really been out there and showing that they can make fantastic cases. I got myself the Performance 1 FT (main pc) and a P20C (second pc) and im trying to convice my partner that she needs the Flux Pro :D Now i need to find an excuse to buy this C8 curve wood and build in it... Looking foward to the next video :D

[@ArcturusCOG]

4:24 The pins on the mobo seem a bit off or something is stuck in them.

[@GregSalazar]

Yep, from our thermal paste in socket video :-) It POSTed without issue after the clean-up, however, so I _highly_ doubt it's the reason for what we're seeing here. Will follow up shortly!

[@azamar818]

glad i wasnt the only one that noticed the socket looked off. thought i was losing it

[@DavidWilliams-ic1nn]

@@azamar818 same here i was like is that dusty or something?

[@samuelrave]

​​@@GregSalazar it may have not caused issues back then, but looking at the color of the pins it may have caused some kind of oxidation, which makes the pins less conductive. Which thermal paste did you use with the paste in socket test? Most white zinc-oxide (white) thermal paste will cause oxidation on copper

[@piQmi]

I noticed this immediately too. The problem is almost certainly there.

[@shawnmorrow8350]

This went from a new build episode, to fixing a users broken PC episode in 16 minutes. Yippie!!!

[@zhaf]

From my experience. If you're going to run OBS to stream/record. It's best to run a dual PC setup and use a dedicated streaming/editing PC. I have a high end PC (7800X3D, 64GB DDR5 6000 CL30, 4090) and as soon as I run OBS I instantly drop 20%+ fps (and I don't run anything fancy on in my OBS scenes). It is just not worth the performance drop to stream and game on the same PC. The streaming PC does not have to be a high end PC. You can repurpose your old PC to be a streaming PC.

[@Dan-Simms]

Said you have a 4090? Are you using NVENC to encode? It should only drop performance by like 2-3% like an unnoticeable amount.

[@zhaf]

@@Dan-Simms I use NVENC. It doesn't matter of OBS is recording or streaming. Just launching it drops the performance by 20%+ while recording/streaming it doesn't add much more to the drop. It's the scenes that are heavy. I created a super light profile just for PC games with just one scene with the a game capture (not desktop capture) and a webcam capture. and that's it That's the profile that is dropping 20%+ frames. If I use my profile for consoles with a lot more scenes and effects it dropps frames by 35%+. It's OBS itself and the scenes that are heavy to run. It probably hits the CPU performance much more than the GPU performance.

[@nydted1]

Both PCs I have built in the last year failed to boot at first. I am no expert so thankfully I knew someone who could look into it. One was a front IO that was faulty and needed to be replaced (Antec C7 case). The other was a bad power supply from Corsair which was returned and replaced at the same time. Neither of which I would have figured out myself. I have to say it's reassuring to see what I would consider an expert builder and troubleshooter run in to similar issues.

[@csl750]

Greg gonna be spending the next few days distracted ... having nightmares about this build

[@DctrGizmo]

This case looks so cool with the curved glass panel! I personally don't like wood accents that much because everyone is doing them now but Antec did it in a tasteful way.

[@chrisamon5762]

I'm such a sucker for Antec cases!!! Sick build!

[@sirbiff10]

i wouldnt say the case isnt structurally bad. Its still got the three case points to keep it sound and not unstable. So i dont think the curved tempered glass panel isnt really doing much but providing a closed clase.

[@ChuckD-lu5mb]

Trabajo Excelente Gregorio. Eres un profesional. Eres el mejor. Man I want that build.

[@TheHrb1234]

Creating your own "fix my broken PC" content I see! :D

[@Eddie_Li]

I love the honesty of this channel, the master repair man, cant build a pc that can boot!

[@97BuckeyeGuy]

That is an absolutely beautiful case. Well done, Antec.

[@AzSureno]

You’re a great dude man , you really are and very honest , I like watching your content , don’t listen to the haters .

[@hokkaidowolf3]

a 4 parter? WOHOHOO - use as much time you need, I am sure we will be watching all of them anyway. :D Have a safe trip!

[@QuentinStephens]

I had a similar experience when I used a contact frame for the first time. But yes, those CPU socket pins looked a little off at 4:22. Second, that GPU is may be inadequate for streaming AAA games thanks to the limited VRAM. Over on Twitch the streamer Nethesem found he could not stream Star Wars Jedi Survivor on a 12 GB card without crashing. He resolved the issue by adding a second GPU to handle the streaming overhead.

[@GregSalazar]

Game-specific issue. A vast majority won't come close to 12GB unless you're intentionally trying to saturate the frame buffer. If you want a 16GB card, go for it. But I wouldn't dissuade someone from 4070-ish performance over 12GB of VRAM.

[@Grievous-]

Going to NY explains why you have had your best haircut in years. Looking good there Greg!

[@LegitJoyRL]

My boy lookin sharp. Love the vid.

[@oldradioguy65]

Nice haircut! Keep up the good work and have a safe trip!

[@GregSalazar]

Thank you!

[@shadoudirges]

My first thought is to check the Artic CPU contact frame, maybe something needs to be reseated and/or adjusted.

[@Boba_Fett1980]

awesome, about to pick up the antec c8 non wood black version tomorrow. will be my first dual chamber case :D

[@johnt.848]

I try to avoid cases with side fans, especially if there is room for 3 fans top and bottom. I also gave the C8 case a miss in my latest build because of the location of the PSU directly behind the CPU region in the case. Overall IMO cases like this are built for looks over function, trying to look flashier than others, as if that helps performance. p.s. if you are fitting side fans, try to at least buy reverse flow fans.

[@GregSalazar]

The style is entirely objective, yeah. I didn't mind the fact that these fans weren't reverse-blades since they were pretty muted in white anyway.

[@realkekec4028]

Cool,we get another Fix or flop preview video included as bonus :)

[@foxconn042]

looking forward to the follow up video!

[@DOPES4MAGA]

I think antec has been building cases for 80 years now. They are a great case maker.

[@auntmaryspals7978]

Maybe not quite 80 years....almost

[@rikou1986]

I'm wondering if the curved glass actually helps with the rear fans airflow.

[@PaulLemars01]

Greg, I had my doubts when I saw the thermal paste residue in the cpu socket at 4:22. I think this motherboard has been in one too many videos. If I remember correctly this was the motherboard that you used for the things not to do when building a PC a while back. I'm not surprised it's not working now.

[@GregSalazar]

It worked perfectly fine in the previous video. Posted, gamed, etc. without issue. I honestly think this is the result of a bad BIOS flash. Not totally sure but will hopefully find out in the follow-up video :-)

[@PaulLemars01]

@@GregSalazar Looking forward to the follow-up ☺

[@johnhudson7055]

I’ve been watching your videos for years, although only subscribed for a couple, and I must say I’m liking the stubble. It makes you look older and more mature. Are you planning on going full beard? Anyway great video as always and sweet looking build.

[@Booth73]

Oddly enough i somehow had a nvme drive completely cause my PC to not turn on. I have absolutely no idea how or why an nvme drive would cause a PC to not boot but I stripped the entire PC down 1 by 1 and last thing was the drives and 1 of them just bunked stuff up. It was wild. I thought my psu was dead for sure.

[@vincentsmith9180]

Looking forward to the fix-or-flop continuation of this build video! Either the motherboard or the CPU is the culprit...🤔

[@Pacheenee7]

Bring it on the plane and give us a mile high fix or flop

[@kentwobits]

Not surprising. Curved wood needs to be discussed with ypur doctor 😂

[@sp00n]

All wood is curved! 🙃

[@Vikturus22]

you could have saved alot on this build if you did the micro centre bundle deal with 12900k. according to 1:22 you would have had $130 extra so could have justified either a better cooler or more towards maybe a 4070ti super? Edit : also noticed at 1:22 wrong ram. DDR4 in photo and used DDR5 in build.

[@psychogho4096]

Moat of the parts listed are not the parts in the build. Only things used were CPU & cooler -- the rest are totally different and more expensive throwing the total $$$ out the window.

[@Vikturus22]

@@psychogho4096 bold strategy! Lol I’m looking at upgrading my pc atm (8700k 2080S) and what cpu atm would you recommend for gaming atm? I play in 1440p high fps and was considering 9600x and 4070ti super?

[@psychogho4096]

@@Vikturus22 Depending on your monitor's refresh rate, you may want to push for a 4080/5080 depending on when you upgrade. The card will allow you to game at 1440p while taking advantage of the higher refresh rate. Of course, if there is a 9600X3D -- go for that variant.

[@Vikturus22]

@@psychogho4096 I got a asus 1440p 165hz monitor

[@GregSalazar]

@@psychogho4096 I'm not sure to what you're referring with regards to what's listed vs. what's in the build. The first PCPP list matches almost part-for-part what we built. The other two lists shown are alternatives for performance/AMD. Also, @Vikturus22, not everyone lives near a Micro Center. I don't have time to drive 4+ hours to my nearest one just to save $50-100 right now. And the second PCPP list shown at 1:22 is NOT the wrong RAM... it's for a DDR4-based performance alternative. Pay close attention to the other parts chosen for it. That was literally the point :-)

[@Beyondact]

I'm going to go with the board doesn't like your cpu. Reset and maybe reflash the bios will get you back on your way.

[@brianmainstone6469]

I'm sure it nothing bad. Ever the Haircut looks good Greg.

[@nbrowser]

The classic Science Studio shirt...Greg...ya got a time machine?!

[@michaelsoutherland3023]

The WD BLUE SN580 drives are perfect for thin-and-light laptops. Even pick the newer BLUE SN580 over the older BLACK SN770.

[@TriPBOOMER]

Nice Build Greg, Your vids are always a pleasure. Beautiful case, another banger from Antec! I would only change, 1 tb drive(add more later) and a 4070 TiS or maybe an RX7900XT instead.🤷‍♂😂 Hey did you check out my custom case, duel rig? video is on my channel 😉🤣🤣 I know you like a full rig and oh boy she is full! 🤣🤣 Was a a long grind, but super happy with how it turned out!... Might add a few extra bits though! Watch this space! 🤣🤣

[@pernis_colossus]

its just crazy to see that the 12900k goes for 290 bucks. i wouldnt have expected that

[@RedRaccoon69]

i was scared of breaking my tempered glass before! Antec: fears intensifies

[@jbwkz0ted]

Cant wait for this build to come back for Fix or Flop S5:E20 video

[@JeffDeWitt]

I see an episode of Fix or Flop coming up! The last bit, with the fake out power up, reminds me of the infamous Verge video, but they would have done a cut and showed it running perfectly. (No Greg, I am NOT comparing you to that guy!)

[@rynosraceroom66]

Man that case is awesome imo ! Thx

[@ezerio027TV]

Can't wait to see the 'fix' video. BIOS fault? Or CPU bracket putting more pressure than intended?

[@Albatross-365]

Don't forget to fill in the Fix or Flop form, select it and then meet yourself to pick it up

[@MojoWrangler]

This case practically begs for you to purchase a whole set of the classic Noctua beige and brown and go to town.

[@ClockedOutGarage]

Do you know when the curve version of this case is gonna be released?

[@poproxxx82]

I was streaming, recording and playing while on a r5 1600x with a rx580. $2k for a PC is a lil crazy.

[@GregSalazar]

Not crazy for those who want the performance. Your PC might stream fine, but this would stream significantly better and in higher resolutions.

[@poproxxx82]

@@GregSalazar of course but not everyone has $2k to throw at a PC these days.

[@CrashPilot1000]

I am scratching my head right now, what went wrong? Hmm, maybe it is something with the socket/CPU contact when you had to remove the mechanism? A screw or something shorting the Mainboard from behind? I don't know.

[@danskeeloNotHacked]

I'm going with the AIO mounting bracket as the cause.

[@stumpythedwarf8712]

My nightmare. Build a computer that will not turn on. No hate from me Greg, Murphy's Law is coming into play here, in a very nasty way.

[@bktebeau]

No worries. Fix it when you can.

[@OtgYanicNoCommentary]

Did you put thermal paste on the cpu?

[@RedSliceGaming34]

Would you have considered the 7800x3d for this build instead of Intel? More so for the headroom of upgradeability in the future?

[@GregSalazar]

I prefer Intel for the content creation side of things. Yes, this is a streaming PC, but some streamers like to edit and reupload streams after the fact, and Intel's iGP works wonders with Adobe's hardware acceleration. If Premiere or AE isn't in the picture, however, I would choose the 7800X3D for its superior gaming performance.

[@RedSliceGaming34]

@@GregSalazar I'm considering the 7800x3d, but I plan to try and do some very light duty Twitch streaming would I still be good with a 7800x3d paired up with the 4090? I also do very light duty iRacing paints in Photoshop / Illustrator. I just dont like the idea of staying Intel especially with the problems and the end of the road factor. Currently I have said 4090 but I'm also running a i7-12700k and 64gb 3600 CL16 ddr4 ram and I feel like title dependent that Im being held back by the cpu/ram I'm using at 1440p 120hz / 120fps

[@N3KO_79]

Yay a fix or flop video special edition* incoming 😁 *Special edition because it's Gregs own PC 😁

[@PalosX]

Do you know when the curve will be available to the general public? Specifically the USA?

[@MasterJediSean]

Looks like some got thermal paste on the LGA pins, is that what happened here?

[@MrJunkman1982]

Could it be the splooged thermal paste in the socket? Looks like someone sloooged paste all up in that socket and tried to clean it out before. @ 4:21

[@NetbeastGaming]

sounds like the power supply going into safety mode

[@RVail623]

Suggestion for a future video: Pfsense router software installed on one of the Topton 6x 2.5Gb Intel LAN port mini PC's sold on AliExpress, or similar. Or: take the Brightline train to the Miami MicroCenter store.

[@mattb_uk]

Had similar when installing new ram kit, try flashing bios with latest from manufacturer

[@DavidHolden15911855]

Any feedback on why it didn't power on? Curious what you found out.

[@GregSalazar]

That's what the follow-up video is for :-)

[@DavidHolden15911855]

@@GregSalazar ah, Fix or Flop video?

[@GregSalazar]

@@DavidHolden15911855 Nah not for the series. But will approach it much the same way :-)

[@virallimitless3429]

can you please tell me which one is best for both gaming ( RT on ) and editing in ultra high setting. which CPU is best purchase from ryzen 7 7800x3d, ryzen 9 7900x3d, ryzen 9 9900x, ryzen 7 950x, + 4070 ti super ( or else please you can advise it no one from the above) love from Delhi

[@exxor9108]

I saw the moment where it _didn't_ power on, and I spoke aloud, "Oh no... he's got a dead motherboard!"

[@Pravculear]

i wonder if you might not have plugged in the front io properly?

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Nice build. Curious as to why this wont power on.

[@Octor-Oom77]

I got one of those codes and it doesnt work???? what am i supposed to do?