🔥 Let’s GO! New Season, New Rules - 5 Play Friday 🏀👀 [Ep. 5PF-2401]

[@BetterOfficials]

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[@tw1ns1]

Calling official in the blocking video Play #2 is suspect. :) Great to be back Greg! Looking forward to more 5 Play Fridays! Dang....you keep using my play! Great teaching moment though....wasn't my call anyway....I was on the baseline. Great explanation on the delayed violation for the player leaving the court.

[@HampsonCB]

I have two flops on the second play. How does NFHS want us to handle a situation where both the second flop happens before we're able to report the warning for the first flop? Do we then go right to the tech?

[@waltroz6605]

Asked same question on another page. Waiting to hear back as well.

[@jeffwright7587]

Glad you're back and posting for the new season Greg! Regarding the Classic Prank Play (19:06), if that happened in today's game, as you say it would certainly be an egregious violation of leaving the court and being first to touch. I wonder though, is there any rules or case play support for that being an unsporting technical foul rather than just a violation?

[@BetterOfficials]

Hi jeff! I think you could certainly make a case the elasticity of the team technical foul rules, simply an unsporting action, would give us the capability to do that

[@travisporter608]

Love these, thanks for doing them.

[@BetterOfficials]

Glad you like them!

[@patrickkeating2860]

on play 5, I've got a player tech and flagrant tech as you mentioned, but maybe also an obvious taunt by blue 20 and gotta do something with the coach being 5 steps onto the court yelling at the ref (at least a bench warning but probably a T) I feel like this had to be building throughout the game.

[@markstoll9636]

so glad to have you back again this season. looking forward to your content.

[@BetterOfficials]

Much appreciated!

[@user-ho8vu9yb4e]

Thanks from Austin

[@jasonlee-os1qi]

Thanks Greg!!

[@derekthibodeau3814]

For Play 4 (9:50) there was obvious contact by the ball handler which could be a player control foul, and then the obvious embellishment by the defender. In this case could we still call the player control and then issue a flopping warning to the defender (unless they have already been warned then it would be a technical)? It's gonna be an interesting season with this.

[@BetterOfficials]

Contact in and of itself is not illegal in this situation. You could rule that it was illegal or you could determine that it was incidental

[@rippinaddictzz4320]

Hi, thank you for all you do and for dedicating the time to these post these help out tremendously. For the play with the player, passing the ball beyond the three-point line and the defender with both feet on the ground making last contact of the ball. The play be scored as two points due to the defender, touching the ball within the three-point line when it just be as if the defender scored on the wrong basket, because both feet are established within the three-point mark.

[@scottramage660]

Greg, Can you site the rule for play six please? The deflection on the pass play. Thx

[@mckennaparker180]

Rule 5-2-1 and CB 5.2.1 Situation C

[@prnceofthasouth]

Play 6 should count as 2pts. Case book 4.41.4 SITUATION B. The pass was below rim level with no chance at going in. The deflection changes the path, therefore you count as two points. If the pass has a chance to enter from above with no deflection, 3pts are scored.

[@mckennaparker180]

@@prnceofthasouth​​⁠​⁠​⁠that case book play is referring to a shot that is clearly short and below rim level when the contact occurs. I’m not sure we can say that the ball had no chance of going in, although it likely wouldn’t have. The CB play I referenced literally referenced a thrown ball from beyond the arc that legally contacts a defender inside the 2 point area and the thrown ball counts for 3 points when it enters the basket.

[@JimmyRobertson-d8i]

On play No. 5, any thought of a technical on the coach for blue for coming out on the court?

[@BetterOfficials]

Well, the ball was dead and his player was on the floor after being aggressively contacted he can enter the court as a fight may break out as a result or to attend to his injured player. So the proximity onto the court I don't see as a deal here. I personally don't see justification for a technical here

[@daverusch7099]

Question on flopping. What if the defender does violate for example a block but they embellish the contact. Would you call the block but also give a flop warning?

[@BetterOfficials]

Guidance here is poor from NFHS. At other levels call the foul, not the flop.

[@BetterOfficials]

In a play in next video, player flops and then a foul is ruled on them while they're laying in the lane this would be a foul and the a flop warning/ technical if previously warned.

[@jtwhite423]

On the play with the double tech, would we consider the flagrant act by the player in white "striking" and then by rule fighting and then assess both players flagrant fouls since the initial act caused the player in white to retaliate by fighting. These definitions are all in 4-18-1 and 4-18-2.

[@BetterOfficials]

I could certainly see the act by white being upgraded to fighting. I really don't see a way to assess a disqualifying foul on the blue player. they committed a foul and the player in white retaliated.

[@prnceofthasouth]

Play 6 should be counted as 2pts since the trajectory of the pass was below rim level with no chance of going in before the deflection by team B. Case book play. 4.41.4 SITUATION B: A1's three-point try is short and below ring level when it hits the shoulder of: (a) A2; or (b) B1 and rebounds to the backboard and through the basket. RULING: The three-point try ended when it was obviously short and below the ring. However, since a live ball went through the basket, two points are scored in both (a) and (b). (5-1)

[@mgillard96]

Play 3: should the flop on the defense be signaled with a delayed violation then let offensive play continue and then open hand violation clock stop and warning or if 2nd, closed fist technical foul?

[@Adam-de8xe]

What is the delay signal for flopping

[@BetterOfficials]

Signal #15 has been added for flopping.

[@elwayfan446]

What would the signal be on play #1 if the player goes out of bounds on his own and is the first player to touch if he had gained an advantage?

[@BetterOfficials]

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[@dmontanaro9108]

I was of the belief that when contact appears likely, an opposing player may lean away from the contact in order to not take the blunt of the hit. In the case of an offensive players driving to the basket with a defensive player establishing position in front of him, the defense may lean away, typically backwards, such that they are not subject to the full force of the contact. How would this be distinguished from flopping that was not overly embellished?

[@BetterOfficials]

Players may do exactly as you describe by rule. Are they then displaced due to any contact or do they enhance their body's reaction?

[@dmontanaro9108]

@@BetterOfficials It seems there could be a number of subjective assessments on this new rule that might unfairly penalize a player who had no intent of faking an action. One situation I mentioned but certainly others. For example, a player could simply lose their balance or trip due to unseen circumstances such as the way their sneaker grips the floor, making it look like an embellishment. If the embellishment was easy to decipher there doesn’t seem much need for the rule, as the ref could simply ignore it. I’ve seen numerous times where intentional faking was carried out successfully, meaning the ref bought the acting job. It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out.

[@cptfwiffo]

Play five: as a fiba ref, I'd consider double unsportsmanlike. I'm not sure what they're playing, it but almost seemed as if blue was trying to prevent a quick inbound, and white just said: too bad, I'm throwing it, too bad your face is in that path. If white did more quick inbounds (couldn't see that in the play), for sure. I disagree with a dead-ball contact. Holding someones arm without any attempt to make a basketball play is an unsportsmanlike when the ball is live. Hence, it is also when the ball is dead. The ball to the face is a reaction to that flagrant foul being committed on him. That is bad, and could warrant an ejection. But that gives all sort of paperwork and punishment, and the ref is fine to say "let's make it an unsportsmanlike, both cancel out". The coach needs to be addressed too. I might consider giving him a Tech, as a warning (because if one of those previous fouls went to fighting foul, entering the court is entering the fight, leading to ejection)

[@lakerfan0852]

Lets Go!!!!

[@anthonyrampulla3814]

Play 1: no violation bc the advantage for going out of bounds was relinquished.

[@BeardedBulldog1980]

IMO.. Play 3 I have it opposite. I think the first "collision" is a charge and the reaction is justified. I say this because the defender establishes legal space as the shooter jumps. The shooter contacts the defender while moving forward and down, from his jump. That to me, justifies the defender falling down and backward. In the second "collision" I see more of an embellishment from the defender and could be ruled flopping. Kinda the opposite to your breakdown. I feel the "flop" needs to be really excessive to call it. I'd only have a charge if anything on the first part. Question though. Say we think the defender gets set after the offensive player jumps, it would then be considered a blocking foul correct?

[@BetterOfficials]

Right. If a Defender moves into the path of an Airborne player blocking would be the result

[@sonnyokamoto7986]

First to touch after plAyer leaves floor.

[@BetterOfficials]

Does that fragment of the rule apply here?

[@augievillanueva1798]

It was a pass not a shot was touch by a def player then award a two point shot need to change this rule it's like a crash on a pass

[@JayFrey-o5j]

“Never” trust announcers on what they call anything.

[@BetterOfficials]

LOL. Amen to that.