Let's Talk About All 96 Runes In Season Of Discovery

[@mixmix889]

About Warlocks Soul Siphon. Master channeler modifier is on healing done to you after damage from dot happens so that doesn't increase its damage done on the target so it's not useless for PvE affliction because you get 18% more damage. Master channeler is for tanks, Soul Siphon for affliction. You also get 10% from talents on drain life and we don't know the interaction yet but possibly 20% more from Haunt (speculation at this point). If that is the case drain life could be your main filler spell after dotting because of the 10% hit on affliction spells vs 0 on destruction while praying for some rnjesus Nightfalls :P

[@Gorthax]

At this point I'm happy that affliction will be a thing

[@Scallers813]

I kinda think Fire Warlock is going to crush the meter in raid. 10% Crit + Incinerate (+25% damage) + Chaos Bolt. So your fire damage gets 10% crit, 25% damage, and ignores absorption. Additionally, in classic a warlocks Achilles heel was lack of spell hit - but Chaos Bolt hits 100% and has no cool down. Lock can basically ignore spell hit. Use an imp, rotation is Curse of Ele -> Incinerate -> immolate -> Chaos bolt spam. Spell hit is somewhat trivial now as 60-70% of your casts auto hit. And those Chaos bolt Crits are going to be frequent (10% Crit) and massive. For AoE it might be cancel cast Rain of fire -> Hellfire for +40% damage.

[@Stompinwind]

Mana was notba problem for restore druids, it was the fact that rejuv did not stack so only 1 hot could be active

[@ghoraxe9000]

I think Blood frenzy will be pretty good.. especially for cleave if deep wounds procs it as well as rend

[@Gorthax]

I think most we'll opt in for Blood Frenzy first month, up until we got a 2hander with enough crit from stats

[@ggnightshadegg3350]

I do agree they could add more for warriors. But, if you look at how classic was, it was warr dominant in most scenarios. If anything, Blizzard might be trying to bring other classes up to warr level. Also, great pvp there! :)

[@juggernaut6666]

you would never take deadly brew for pvp. deadly poision is going to break your blind, sap, and gouge which are very important.

[@bradhorner]

The succubus whip is more what i think of with flagellation but it can be non sexual whipping motion as well. Like the tail of a microscopic organism or a whip as a punishment.

[@Bigfootuss]

hunter looks fun as fuck

[@OneTallBloke]

For Resto Druid mana concerns, they should update Fury of Stormrage's effect to allow Omen of Clarity to trigger from Spells cast as well as melee autoattacks. That way, spamming Wrath with Fury of Stormrage for 0 mana cost would allow you to get more Omen of Clarity procs, and I'd assume that those Clearcast procs (next spell is zero mana cost) would only be used up on spells with an actual mana cost. So, the Wrath spam would trigger, but not use, the Clearcast procs, meaning that the next 'instant cast Healing Touch' would benefit from the Clearcast. With all of that, Druid mana consumption would be way lower. It's not like 'Clearcast triggers from spells' is an entirely alien concept, because Shaman's works that way. It'd also massively help OOMkins too IDK maybe I'm just on hopium, but spamming Wrath to trigger zero MP cost via Omen, then spending it on something like a max rank HT or max rank Rejuv, in theory it sounds like it'd be massive for stabilizing tank HP. Plus, for party healing we'd have Wild Growth too, and that'd be zero MP cost with the Omen change

[@Toades8513]

2h Fury gonna be fun to theory craft can't wait!

[@bradhorner]

My opinion is the spells might not have a strong connection to vanilla because we have not "discovered" everything about the world yet. So hypothetically the abilities were always there. We can potentially progress sideways in same timeline and discover more things.

[@Gorthax]

All of these look totally acceptable for the classic environment. It will feel like we're playing some pserver at start, but I feel the mentioned runes will all feel normalized for the vanilla once enough time passes and if the tempo of the game doesn't get out of hand. But they said the world will be tuned accordingly so hopes up that doesn't happen.

[@bradhorner]

@@Gorthax If they don't tune it then I could see a big problem. I'm probably being very optimistic because I like their new attitude.

[@Gorthax]

Nothing wrong with having something to look forward to, especially with how the other versions of wow are looking rn

[@konter4323]

I think you can allways just pick consumed by rage for pve dps just dont hit any buttons (other then one hamstring right after each auto) until you reach 80 rage. (the extra 25%dmg will help to generate more rage too) if you pool rage with out overcaping to mouch you dont loose any dmg in the long run (just like rogues with energy) So its Fliggeflaggelation, consumed by rage and endless rage until some point maybe quick strike is going to be good. or maybe in the early game you could use Raging blow - frenzied assault and endless rage / quick strike. if you can just freely swap those things its going to be easy to Figure out a clear winner for your build I think

[@Gorthax]

Yeah seems like there's no cost to reapply the Runes, ideally to have 2 sets potentially to item rack it quick, I also think quickstrike is gonna be slapping pretty well if I understood how the damage of it is counted up. I see clear winners for end-game. But looks like we will have a ton for testing in-between while our gear is coming along slowly.

[@ske1etor914]

My best guess for Void Plague on priests is that it is a disease and not a magic effect which is very easily dispelled by many... in a fight with SPriest vs a dispeller, you'd have trouble keeping SW: Pain on target to get the benefit of Twisted Faith rune and it would be hard to get as much dmg off on target... with a less dispellable dot than magic effect, you could potentially put out more dmg in pvp idk.... Also, check this.... Healing Druid says forget Living Seed and Lifebloom and acts more like old classic druid heals, but takes Fury of Stormrage and Starsurge... can pump dmg/heal, and pop starsurge in emergencies b/c it procs Wrath effects like the other runes 12% insta proc rate... should give you a few quick insta heals during each starsurge.

[@gaburierusan8179]

Man I will have like 5 alts to max 25 🤣

[@marwantawfiq]

Hello everyone Does anyone know if leveling from 1-25 will be as normal as Vanilla classic or did they increase the XP level to make it longer to reach to level 25

[@beanodonnell]

I agree on shamans enhance should be 2 hand so I'm gonna be 2 hard spellhance and spec enhance but use overload, lava burst, shamanistic rage and stack int/agi gear with some strength also going orc so I can bloodfury then shaman rage to regen more mana and use a 2 handed are for skill

[@Veedran]

Yea I think Dual wield option was a misunderstanding of what most classic shamans like. Yes its the easier path to bring are dmg up but 90% of my fun in classic was bopping people with rag and in raids eyeing up all the twohanders, also made it where most of the time we wernt really fighting with others for weapons.

[@ske1etor914]

I forsee a lot of skilled tanks that can hold all agro going in with a mage sporting Regeneration for single target heal and the other runes aracane blast and such... if the healer is good and careful they can be a really good DPS/enough heals to run dungeons... also They absolutely need to do something about enh sham dual wield with a clear part of that talent tree is 2h weaps.. maybe just change the talent tbh...

[@drolak2158]

Lvling tanks use rend to get rage then spam improved thunder clap slams

[@petroreshko3807]

Arcana mage with regen rune was insane for AoE farming. Still viable after nerfs i think. Good to see you are still doing good, Big P.

[@Gorthax]

Arcane was absolutely disgusting dude

[@Average1212]

the ruins not have a CD is silly IMO

[@Stompinwind]

In classic druids had to either use mcp(a level 29 weapon) or atiesh nothing else. Hopefully they have modern changes to weapons damage

[@neoikake]

Agreed. I am not farming multiple pummeler eatch weeks.

[@Veedran]

I hope they dont. Mcp is an iconic part now of feral classic! Id be way happier if in gnomer raid they add an mcp with like 20 charges instead of 3 or maybe even no charge limit and have it be that its a rarer drop.

[@Stompinwind]

@@Veedran iconic hardly, you realize how few people know about it back in the day, but it's all but confirmed that it will be pointless at 60 having teams redesigning gear that includes long time theorycrafters who understand how wrong mcp was and with skills like mangle lascerate feral cat skills we will be better off without it.

[@nilocm6365]

gorthax you are the most charismatic zug zug

[@hvdiv17]

if you thought classic wow had bad balance season of discovery says hold my beer🤣

[@thomastembreull]

Didn’t they say the point isn’t balance and the focus is on fun first? I don’t think they’re trying to balance it tbh. If you want a balanced game to play go play an fps or fighting game not an rpg

[@boalollal242]

the class trinket for mage from ZG will be so op

[@Gorthax]

Breathes heavily in Hunter

[@Brickzar86]

warrior's aren't getting anything gamebreaking like the other classes because they are already top of the meters by a long shot

[@Gorthax]

I'm fine with that. I'm happy with them potentially enabling 2h fury or arms in pve but that's not too important. The buffs we get are very very solid from the stand-alone runes we have

[@Brickzar86]

@@Gorthax Warbringer alone will fix warriors in pvp (if they even needed fixing), and they're busted in pve. They told us warriors weren't getting too much and this is kinda what i expected. a few 'meh' options. I think over the course of classic+ they will try to balance the dps classes. This means that warrior's will NOT be getting nearly as many powerful runes as the other classes so that everyone else can catch up. i think it shouldn't be shocking at all that the warrior runes feel weak

[@noduj]

I hope they add gladiator stance for warriors.

[@Gorthax]

I don't think it's going to work out in classic as well as it could in wrath/tbc though due to few tools you have for 1 hander damage output. Would be dope if they gave more offensive shield abilities or riposte type of stuff

[@cornerstore_d]

Wowhead just datamined it 2 hours ago

[@Gorthax]

Yeah just having hard time imagining it's usage outside pvp

[@trueyinyang7941]

dude you are hilarious

[@Stompinwind]

Lascerste will need mangle

[@Purrrtiful]

God I love you.

[@Lowthiel]

KEKW FLAGELLATION

[@chrisclark4183]

This guy has been killed by a pally one too many times 😂

[@Gorthax]

One time is enough

[@Tapirsmetsnorren]

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