Let’s Talk About Charging Your TELO

[@andyyellykohler2535]

I'm rooting for Telo to make it :)

[@JE-zl6uy]

thank you! Mechanical door much better than an electronic one.

[@rthille]

In my opinion, it doesn’t even need to lock. My Kona’s locking charge door is a constant source of frustration as I get out, lock the car by habit, go to plug in, have to fish out my keys or walk back to the drivers door. I’m really not sure why Hyundai felt the need to have the door lock when the car doesn’t support VTL. Even if Telo does support VTL, maybe just require the car be unlocked to enable starting VTL and don’t have a locking charge door.

[@gmv0553]

Just what I like! A company that thinks about a decision before they actually make it!

[@bobhellman8676]

Just one voice here, but great choices (port location and manual cover/door). On a separate note, I hope you guys are proud of how well you're ripping right along! I believe I saw elsewhere that you did the whole test chassis and full-size mockup for

[@NeilBlanchard]

What a *relief* to see a sensible and practical truck!

[@JoeGo101]

so glad they make solid decisions unlike a lot of the industry about chart port placement and actually using NACS.

[@rasmAn2]

please, please, make the place for the charge point big enough for a type 2 ccs, Euro's don't dislike pickup's but american ones are way too big here. What we do have is 3phase power everywhere, and the NACS plug doesn't have pins for that. we don't reallyclike ccs either but it's what we got, and three phase is not optional for us.

[@reduxith]

I mean just looking at the space in which they are working with, the NACS charger already fills the width. A CCS port is likely to be unable to fit without some serious reworking of surrounding panels like the tailgate.

[@ccibinel]

​@@reduxith ccs2 would need a port elsewhere or an adapter (without 3 phase support). As dcfc improves the actual need for 3 phase is less than before.

[@Harrythehun]

@@ccibinelhome and overnight charging is the majority of charging done round the globe. And in EU we have three phases as standard for AC charging.

[@michaelsmithers4900]

I charge my Tesla at work on three phase with J-1442 to Tesla adapter.

[@rasmAn2]

​@@michaelsmithers4900Than you're not really charging on 3phase. Either it misuses the ground pin to give you 2 phases and neutral, or you are getting single phase and a maximum of 3.5kW

[@urbanstrencan]

Really hope you get Telo to Europe ❤❤

[@AverageJoe928]

Just a small point: a 14-50 plug is rated for continuous max of 9.6kW, anything more is out of spec and may trip the circuit breaker (assuming the breaker is 50A). If the truck comes with an 11kW on board charger you'd need a hard wired EVSE with a dedicated 60A breaker to use its full capacity.

[@muskistutter]

Right. And for anything less the Telo will just ramo down to accept that rate.

[@bobhellman8676]

First thought over AM coffee… Door might be best with a vertical hinge axis or translate up to access charge port so down the road it doesn’t drop over bumps and whatnot. Second thought… If the door area were raised above the surface a bit for clearance, and you had a horizontal axis above, you could rotate the door (not towards the tailgate) out of the way to a detent. Or a simple (mechanical) sensing means to let the connector hold it open. Post charge, it rotates back vertical or you rotate it. You could even mold in a little curved arrow with “open” or a little charge lightning bolt so no language issue. Keypoints: Rugged, simple, intuitive, fail closed. Rotating things are easier than translating things…

[@RivMike205]

Great video, having a mechanical cover panel is so smart.

[@MoreOnEVs]

Love it and I’m rooting for you guys! Will your shorter range truck use and LFP🙏? Keep the videos coming

[@TELOtrucks]

Current plan is to use the same number of cells as the long range pack just at a lower density. This helps simplify manufacturing and keep as many parts the same as possible

[@MoreOnEVs]

@ well I’d love an LFP, but I’d prefer a fiscally solvent company. Please don’t Fisker this up, the country actually needs your product😂

[@JE-zl6uy]

@@MoreOnEVs more like "Don't Aptera this up" and never release a product XD

[@ccibinel]

​@@JE-zl6uy ces is coming and multiple pi will be ready. The biggest challenge is always the dollars to get to production. Im stop hoping to have both in my driveway eventually

[@BoomerPlusUltra]

Great video, thanks! I like the proposed charging port location.

[@PandaKnight52]

Interested in finding out what the manufacture process you are using? It seems.lile standard body and frames? Why not the carbonfibre SMC like Aptera?

[@michelmercier7160]

Front for towing!

[@TELOtrucks]

Not all chargers are laid out the same, so a frontal port doesn’t necessarily make EV towing easy. The key is routing to trailer friendly superchargers which Tesla is allowing now for vehicles in trailer mode

[@JDDevice]

Having a long trailer sticking out isn't exactly practical. You'd have to unhook eitherway

[@wassiswallylokhankin191]

Rear on the driver's side please. Or, offer different options allowing customers to choose.

[@TELOtrucks]

Driver’s side rear it is!

[@nc3826]

The front location would be better when Towing and curbside charging. But I have a feeling that Telo just wants the mirror what Tesla does, It's port location? So good luck wherever you put it.

[@TELOtrucks]

Has more to do with our safety system occupying the frontal areas and the high voltage wiring having the shortest possible distance to the charge port. That way you minimize cost, and have faster charging cause there’s less wiring to cool

[@nc3826]

@@TELOtrucks So the port would interfere with the front safety systems? Considering there's other EVs such as the LEAF that have it located there, it's a little hard to conceptualize why that would be the case? And since the primary motor is located in the front i'm not quite sure why the wiring would be longer placing the port there? i guess Towing and curbside charging is not a major consideration? There's always trade-offs. And I would have been surprised if you would have put it anywhere other than where you're intending to locate it. To keep it in line with the SC Network. Good luck bringing the project to fruition. It's sorely needed in the market,

[@reduxith]

@@nc3826 Well when thinking about it, the leaf has a more standard length hood to work around for crash safety and other things, TELO has a lot less space to work with. As well as in the video, it was pointed out that the charger would be located somewhere below the bed area (?) which results in a shorter distance to the rear than to the front passenger.

[@nc3826]

@@reduxithA small primarily plastic charge port is going to have a significant effect on crash worthiness, when the hood is short? Sorry as a mechanical engineer, It doesn't pass the smell test. That it would have any significant effect on Crash Worthiness it's a short or a long hood. The primarily plastic port and attached cables is just not that significant. In terms of crashworthiness. And in the post when they were debating between having it in the front or the rear why was Crash Worthiness not even mentioned? As the post pointed out the major consideration is to have the Telo vehicles not cause an issue at supercharger sites. And therefore the easiest thing to do is locate The port in the same relative location as a Tesla, it seems like none of the other considerations such as curb charging or towing. We're considered relevant, But thanks for giving your civil input. I've had a few triggered responses to comments so your civility is appreciated.

[@nc3826]

Had hoped the port would be on the passenger side rear to facilitate, curbside charging (Or at least have a customer option, to place it there). Which is particularly useful for the Telo urban demographic. (Has Tesla approved Telo to access the SC Network? And with the longer V4 cables Tesla is installing now, it's less of an issue at newer SC.) And for those buyers without a practical home charging option . How about offering removable battery modules, for at least part of the battery pack capacity? That could be charged at home. (And could even theoretically be used for backup power for a home?) I realize this would take considerable forethought in the design. So how about doing a survey among, Those that have placed a deposit. On if this is something they're interested in? Having such a unique utilitarian attribute, would definitely help sell the vehicle IMHO.

[@bobhellman8676]

Deposit holder taking the survey: OK there Schwarzenegger, No on the removable battery module consideration. Great for EGO lawn products, not for 500 hp vehicles...

[@nc3826]

@@bobhellman8676 Noted you have "No..... consideration" of those without a home charging option. Schwarzenegger? Was that the name of a bully that hit you with a battery pack? And I'm sure you like anything with the name EGO in it. Don't go to China it will just confuse you, with all their removable battery swappable EVs. That have infinite uses. Telo is an interesting vehicle with or without removable batteries. Thanks for your input my triggered friend.

[@bobhellman8676]

@nc3826 You’re welcome! Let’s discuss… What are the capacities of those Chinese packs? Telo’s roughly 3 1/2 miles/kWh. So, given what you would be willing to carry back and forth, what’s your expectation here? What would make you happy?

[@nc3826]

@bobhellman8676 Sorry to confuse you. For example Chinese swappable battery EVs are completely different from what I was proposing.. And you still have not addressed a plethora of my questions. Why are you even asking about this? Do you not have a way to charge at home? I was just spitballing the idea to see if Telo had any interest in it and then would expand on how it would work if there was any interest from Telo. But I'm not holding my breath. Lastly thanks for being so literal with my sardonic retort. Enjoy....

[@mymanzach8265]

Update video! I have been diving into the discord and saw a few questions regarding bidirectional charging and potential 120v outlets. Are these things that are still being considered?

[@TELOtrucks]

Absolutely! We’ll have some great power outlet options 🙌🏼

[@jabbathespud]

Why not have an A/C only charge port on the right side and a full charge port on the left side? That would allow L2 charging from right side (or either side) and DCFC from the left. Will the inverter be bi-directional (for V2G)? Or will an external inverter be required?

[@garydzidowski1134]

Telo is hitting all the "+" marks for me. BUT; I have concerns. Based on my 6+ year Tesla Model 3 experience, California designed vehicles struggle with Michigan winters. Doors, windows, mirrors, wipers, charging ports freezing shut. -10° F is not the problem 30° F drizzle with fog coating everything in ice is. My car lives outside, the charging adapter tilts down in the port allowing moisture to enter and freeze the latch. (I have wrapped paper towels around it to block this.) Will I be able to use my Tesla charge adaptor? I use a NEMA 6-15 plug (Just barely above Level 1, but at 11 MPHc it has served me well for my 60 to 150 mile daily drives. (Only 15 miles from a supercharger so if I need fast...)My biggest concern is seeing a lot of videos about Telo. Watching a video is nice, but getting into one with a checkbook in my pocket is better for both of us. Being a native Detroiter I have seen cars come, go and fail. Nimbus, Arcimoto are just the latest examples.

[@Tneo7]

When is Telo going to IPO so i can buy stock in TELO?

[@elwynjoseph5230]

That’s right 👍👍👍

[@WowCreativeUsername]

Won't a rear location be more risky though due to rear collisions?

[@Pankratnazar-m1n]

Just as risky as the front location in a front collision.

[@artsmith103]

​@@Pankratnazar-m1n I thought he meant backing into the charger :-(

[@Pankratnazar-m1n]

@@artsmith103 Backing into the charger while being awake and sober, having your eyes open, and using the rearview mirror and cameras? It would take some effort.

[@nc3826]

Placing the port on the front passenger side would be just as risky..... but is more practical for other applications, such as curbside charging.... C'est la vie....

[@nc3826]

with people fixated on the phone..... it's easy to see them backing into an EVSE

[@sojourner4726]

Will there be a heating element to avoid the flap being locked out with ice? I’m not just concerned about the initial panel itself, but the section below it creating a physical barrier to accessing the charging port.

[@bobhellman8676]

Great application for solar on a vehicle. Point the nose North when you park.

[@nc3826]

strange concern since I've never heard of anyone being concerned ICEV gas filler port being frozen shut or obstructed with ice..... If it's really an issue just carry a hair dryer or a heat gun.... With the proper power source

[@kimmorris6001]

I can't wait!!!

[@CrumResearch]

delivery when?

[@lsh3rd]

Backing into a spot is a superior way to park anyway... the port belongs in the back.

[@muskistutter]

According to what metric is it superior EV or otherwise?

[@nc3826]

It's just on the wrong side for curbside charging.... Tesla should have taken that an account.... But apparently Elon doesn't care about people without home charging Options.

[@mymanzach8265]

Hell yeah brother. 100% agree.

[@njdevilku1340]

Buildings don't move is why I always back in at home.

[@michaelsmithers4900]

Ok I’ll bite. Using Logic. 1) Most people would agree that backing up is harder than driving fwd. (I dont mind backing up, backing up a trailer, parallel parking etc. but I know driving forward is easier) 2) Backing up into a large wide open space is easier than backing up into a narrow space. 3) parking spaces are narrower than the driveways in parking lots. 4) you’re more likely to damage another car and your own backing in bc it’s more difficult. So by logic it’s better to nose in than back in. Unless you own a tuner…

[@NotthatNeil]

I would have voted for right rear

[@TristenHernandez]

This probably isn’t meant to be used for towing, but it seems as though having a charger upfront would be more ideal for that even with my Ford lightning if I did have to go to a supercharger at least it’s in the front of the vehicle and I don’t have to unhook my trailer. But I rarely use it for towing a trailer and when I do, it’s local.

[@Boomer.Roberts]

They've actually said it will be great for towing, they have a short on here I think that shows the factory tow hitch setup

[@TELOtrucks]

Not all chargers are laid out the same, so a frontal port doesn’t necessarily make EV towing easy. The key is routing to trailer friendly superchargers which Tesla is allowing now for vehicles in trailer mode

[@tonystock856]

How about V2H/L

[@jamesengland7461]

State of Charge KZbin channel just did a video explaining that Nema 14-50 outlets are not all suitable for EV charging. You really need a certified EV charging electrician to properly install equipment up to the job of high current for hours on end. I'll go get the link and be right back!

[@jamesengland7461]

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[@muskistutter]

JFC really? 5 years in and NEMA 14-50 is unsuitable for EV charging? I’ll have to listen to what Tom says on the video.

[@nc3826]

​@@jamesengland7461Nope, since it was a NEMA 1450 replacement.... The only thing it and all the posts that he has done on this subject matter has proved. Is don't cheap out and spend the extra money for a quality receptacle. FWIW I respect SoC Tom's experience and reviews, but his is not an electrical engineer. (His true expertise is in making pizzas). And the channel is sponsored by an electrical installation firm specializing in EVs.... So like in all things caveat emptor always applies.....

[@courtneyvegan9448]

Bring it to Canada

[@Lee-San247]

I have a lot of questions on how this truck is going to pass crash testing standards. There’s nearly zero crumple zone or significant structure in the front or sides. I really hope I’m wrong, but I doubt it.

[@Boomer.Roberts]

There are other videos on the channel talking through their safety systems

[@TELOtrucks]

We have 14” of unobtrusive crumple zone that we’ve simulated rigorously to ensure we pass all federal safety requirements. Our crumple zone is larger than required to pass FMVSS 208. Jason (our CEO) specialized in vehicle safety testing for much of his career

[@charleshill7184]

Bi-directional charging, please.

[@Nardikron]

I understand your reasons, however, I think this is a mistake for one reason. Because EV charging stations generally don't support pull through options, if someone is towing a trailer (something I plan to do with my Telo) you must unhitch your load to charge, whereas if you had the location in the front, you can pull in forward, charge and be on your way. If EV's trucks are going to compete for general contractors you've got to think about the user experience when towing.

[@TELOtrucks]

Not all chargers are laid out the same, so a frontal port doesn’t necessarily make EV towing easy. The key is routing to trailer friendly superchargers which Tesla is allowing now for vehicles in trailer mode

[@ChromeConnoisseur08]

Hear me out: telo with trophy truck suspension

[@downix]

Oh, that's a bit disappointing. I was hoping the rear bed could be removed for an industrial box. Could you instead put it into the lower bumper, facilitating the flexibility of the bed?

[@nc3826]

check out the Kia PV1? Which is already the design for that application, Just don't know if it's going to be sold in this market?

[@downix]

@nc3826 the PV1 has the same issue.

[@downix]

@nc3826 none of the reviews of the concept vehicle I have seen have shown that the rear section is removable. I cannot even see how, based on the design.

[@downix]

@nc3826 I am seeing that for the PV5 and PV7, but not the PV1. I do see that the PV1 has a highly modular interior but has not shown or discussed a version without the rear section.

[@downix]

@@nc3826 I am on the Kia website for the PV series, and you are wrong.

[@nitrobenz1694]

Please don’t cater to the rear left corner! Anyone charging curbside will benefit from not having it exposed to traffic, and in a tight two car garage/driveway (that’s me) will thank you for not making a trip hazard on the way to the trunk (cargo bed) or between the cars!

[@TELOtrucks]

On the rear it’s not exactly exposed to traffic

[@AlainR86]

The only reason I personally don't like this placement is because I hate the kind of person who blocks traffic to reverse in their driveway and I don't want to be that guy... Anybody knows if a 90 degrees adapter exists to facilitate curb charging? Also, am I the only one who never uses supercharger and really don't care about how fast it can be charged? I always charge over night at the lowest current possible to be as easy as possible on the grid...

[@Swapnil638]

I’ve asked this before in less articulate fashion, but could there be a possibility of two different body types, one being optimized for aero, and the other for balance and cargo volume? The latter would be what you’re already making. For the former you could reduce the frontal area substantially by removing the skateboard pack and placing the batteries under seats (even the front ones like Lucid Gravity), under the center console, behind or in front of the cabin (like where the Rivian gear tunnel is), or a combination of them all. I imagine a lot of people wanting more range at the cost of some cargo volume, even if the bed starts a little high, the center of gravity is a bit higher, or they lose the center console storage.

[@Swapnil638]

@ That has nothing to do with what I said

[@Swapnil638]

@@nc3826 I didn’t talk about adding more batteries, just moving them elsewhere

[@Swapnil638]

@ I didn’t talk about modular design with swappable components in the end product. And I mentioned the removal of the skateboard battery pack. You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about, which is why you mistook my comment. Stop digging your heels in and pretending I’m the one who’s confused. I wanna stop wasting my time on this too but you keep saying things that are wrong/irrelevant.

[@marinepoof]

How am I going to charge and pull a trailer?? Stupid.

[@TELOtrucks]

Tesla is already labeling trailer friendly superchargers. A front port doesn’t necessarily fix all the issues either because many chargers aren’t laid out well for trailers. This is why we believe the future of EV towing involves going to the right charger

[@TELOtrucks]

Tesla labels trailer friendly superchargers! This’ll make it easy to know where to stop and charge

[@Chris-bg8mk]

Don’t need to charge a truck that doesn’t exist. Focus.