Let's Talk About Gateway And New Mechanics -The Isle-

Newest Update brought us the Gateway map and new mechanics like migration, sanctuaries and stam regen rework. Let's talk about them.
00:00 Intro+ maps talk
03:10 Map bugs
03:35 Human structures
04:10 Domes
05:06 Unfinished map
05:47 Stam regen
07:00 Migrations
08:26 Sancturies
09:45 Outro
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[@jton1]

The way the devs treat this game is like having the frosting of a cake ready without even having the actual cake/inside

[@ITakeItGood]

The most annoying thing for me was the stam system from testing was changed without telling anyone when it went live. The boost over time you got was completely cut. Gali went from taking 1:40 to fully regen to 4:08 in the live version because it no longer gets a boost for resting longer. That and they gave baby ptera the stam usage of an adult without the adult speed or climb.

[@brandonwhiting7229]

I remember we were told about the changes (but then again i religiously follow all news about the game and everything the devs say lol).....the more you run around now the less of a boost you get, so constant running around will cause you to take forever to get stam back while sparingly running will grant you a bigger stam regen boost when you sit and rest

[@GeneralSoupman]

Only the isle devs can disappoint us this way

[@sem71st]

I like it but 225 players would be perfekt

[@insanity42]

The stamina change affects pteranodons pretty negatively. Gaining altitude seems to cost more stamina than before and recovery time is longer. Fly to the top of any moderate outcropping or such and you have to rest for 3+ mins to get stamina back. I measured some stamina gains over time and while you do gain more each second over time, the big boost doesn't seem to come until after 3 minutes.

[@brandonwhiting7229]

well the stamina rework is not finished, so i would wait till update 7 drops with the finished rework to fully judge it as we are judging the stress test lol

[@MissDeviancy]

it's honestly shocking to me that they hired a dev (Jace) SPECIFICALLY to develop this map and it's STILL unfinished. Some parts I was running through and I thought to myself, if I were a map creator I would be mortified to have this released to public. It is undeniable that the map is beautiful but it is not isle player friendly whatsoever. You can definitely tell Jace has never played the isle. The other issue is the playerbase. A new map is not going to change player behavior. No one wants to navigate a huge map like this, so once again,. like Spiro, we have heavily empty spots that are never visited (the swamp for example, which is beautiful and sadly never used) and hot spots that constantly are overused where people never leave. The migration system doesn't help with this either. At this point, I'm not sure what the answer is.

[@jlktank5066]

i think the only answer is to 2x-3x the number of player slots

[@eyes5204]

the answer is: release the dev kit and let the community fix the game with mods

[@CPPpotkustartti]

Map: This better be one they focus on, this better be one that does not find itself in trashcan in two years. Stamina system: Needs reworking, a lot. I do agree with devs that Stamina should be valuable resource, but at moment its best to run, stop & rest and then continue. Hopefully they increase speed of normal walking.

[@brandonwhiting7229]

Devs have said trotting and walking speeds will be tweaked which is going to be very nice.

[@J72Gaming]

This map LOOKS incredible. But I agree that’s about the only positive thing about this update. The stamina changes prove that the isle devs care more about developing and not about how much fun the game actually is. They don’t care about their players, and I can’t think of a time when they proved they did. 🙃

[@RandomMackem3247]

The stamina hasn’t changed it still takes a while to run out of stamina without jumping

[@arkroyal1598]

Bwaaaaahhhh i have to regulate my stamina now bwaaaaah! Everyone complaining about stam be like^^

[@CptNava]

It´s not even about regulating stamina, you needed to regulate your stamina in legacy aswell otherwise you would´ve been dead in a fight, it´s more about not having the stamina to explore the map in my case and if you come now with "Just walk and not sprint" the map is huge and takes ages to "walk" around the map

[@brandonwhiting7229]

The stamina is fine....literally just manage your stamina better, everyone that complains about the stamina literally has a skill issue. at most it takes around 45min to get across the map if you know where your going, take the time to learn how to manage your stam and learn the map. you have tons of stamina to work with, just run in short bursts and manage it efficiently and you will be fine.

[@J72Gaming]

All these comments above me saying it’s a skill issue or that I’m crying is hilarious. The only worse thing then the stamina changes in gateway are the toxic isle players 🤣 Some things never change.

[@alunaticwithashotgun9840]

My opinion on the new stamina system is that it's fine, I usually don't run around enough to use more than %10-30 of it at a time anyway but I think they should increase both walking and trotting speed across the entire roster at least a little bit and also make stamina regen get faster the longer you sit

[@Laacer]

At least the z-walk should be lil faster, I feel like walking in tar

[@brandonwhiting7229]

Luckily they have said tweaked walking and trotting speeds are coming, but it may take a bit as it requires animation tweaks and stuff, stamina does regen the longer you sit, but if you constantly use your stam the bonus gets smaller and smaller and takes longer to really ramp up when you rest, kinda like when you run in real life and then take a short break only to run again and again your gonna be exhausted and take longer to recover your stamina over time.

[@alunaticwithashotgun9840]

@@brandonwhiting7229 I see, though I think the stam regen can still get a little faster

[@kitkat5596]

More sanctuaries will be added in the future, (One of the Devs said around 10 to 15) but I agree with the map situation, they need to stop abandoning so many of them. Stamina wouldnt be so bad as well if they'd make it were you gained more while fast trotting then having to slow walk or sit down.

[@omni9177]

The whole stamina thing is mind boggling why fix something which isn't broken its so bad now it really puts me off even playing. The map is pretty but too large.

[@sneakyraptor1469]

Ive been making a ton of suggestions on the discord recently, in ways that I feel can help improve the new update without removing different aspects of the game. Let me grab a few (Mainly 1 because its long as hell lol) Gateway. The map looks great, but is poorly optimized and wont be used much due to the painfully slow stam drain along with the different zones that basically force you to only exist in these zones. Thus, some fixes need to be made. The stam drain for the smaller dinos is WAY too high, these dino rely on being able to run and forcing them to sit every 5 minutes for 13+ minutes (It was timed) just kind of erases them from the population as they can no longer reliably survive. I used to recommend ptera to new players as you could explore, could escape predators and could find prey generally easy however I no longer see this as an option due to them having such bad stam drain, you might as well just remove them from other dinos diets because if the stam isnt fixed you most likely wont be seeing any in game. Bigger dinos are also having issues as, due to the migration zones being the only spots where food spawns, they are starving left and right. Food is unable to be found outside of the zones and that just doesn't work right. Id say make it so food spawns outside of these zones, similar to Spiro but maybe not in as large of numbers as Spiro (Just enough to survive, please we are begging here) OR make it so Special food spawns inside of the migration zones that gives all 3 nutrients (But still have normal food spawn outside of migration zones), similar to the mushrooms, but for dinos of both herbi and carni diet. Thus making migration zones not mandatory but also giving players incentive to travel to these locations. Either to grow or to get food for hatchlings to help them grow. Anything that is added needs a reason and good execution. Some of these new additions, while they do have reason, werent executed properly and either needed to be worked on longer or the devs need to read the suggestions and make some changes. I see many changes in here that are fantastic and would greatly improve the game, but feedback is only feedback if its being taken into consideration.

[@lightbusta9255]

Yeah the stamina changes are a bit harsh and the migration zones and sanctuaries just feel forced to have to go there.

[@terrasque5240]

I really don't like migrations and sanctuaries. They are too restritive and also go agains the purpose of diets... I had fun figuring where to go to get each diet with each dinosaur and getting to understand how the flora & fauna was distribuited along the island. It made the ecosystem feel more real and alive. Now it feels robotic, diets, migrations and sanctuaries in Gateway are just compass icons you follow unless you want to die. Plus, the stamina situation... its all just dissapointing =[

[@simpforsigmar8332]

You didn't mention how the stam change completely destroys the balance for certain dinos for example omnis whole gameplay is based around stam usage omni is a hunter that realise heavily on stamina regen to be able to out last and whittle down their victims this is true for a couple other dinos this change proves the devs have little understating of their own game and systems they created, literally any player that's done alot of pvp in this game could have told them this change is a terrible idea.

[@Laacer]

Yeah I didn't want to focus too much on it, every one that plays the game knows that already.

[@LatuaBelladonna]

That's the thing youtubers that play this need to talk about the issues more. The devs won't pay attention to the common players concerns but there is a chance that those with a bigger sphere of influence could force the scales into a more favorable position for everyone.

[@Romanperro]

Thank you for your review or 1st look into the new map! One thing i hate is the "fetish" of the devs that every damn river is brown, a dirty soup. Why cant they make a more green or blue river, just a normal nice river. But no, it has to be awful brown....sad...

[@mariofa88]

I think they should add a jog mechanic where you aren't sprinting fast. and drains your stamina slowly. so you can a cover longer distance.

[@Karebear9001]

I like the new map much more. It’s definitely not finished, I’ve got stuck and died so many times. The stamina changes could be helped with better diet bonuses imo. Give like 25%+ bonuses to stam decay/regen/nv.

[@jjfajen]

Correction on the map at 7:29. In No Man's Land there are two migrations that I know of. West Rail Access has one and the beach by South Plains has a pachy migration that I only discovered today (I think that was added in the last patch, never seen that one before). If this map was based on the one that I made then I apologize for the inaccuracies. After the fact I realized I misjudged the location of Highlands J Sector and West Rail Access.

[@Laacer]

I think I based this one with yours. Good to know they added migrations there too, before it was indeed no man's land. Well it's going to be inaccurate anyways, they prob gonna add new mig zones too at some point to cover the map.

[@vhgiv]

Thenyaw. I liked that map. Though I kinda like the new maps. Kinda keeps it fresh. New thing. And new stuff to hopefully pop in

[@alexlorenzo7049]

For me it’s the map size. It’s way to big. And with the Stam issue, I find it impossible to run into to players. And more so if I do, it’s usually the same spots and never the in between which is most of the map. Most of the game u will be alone struggling and if u find a player. U better hope u have enough stam to fight it. It’s ridiculous and unplayable atm

[@brandonwhiting7229]

interesting, but for me its been near entirely opposite, i run into players all over the map and always have the stam i need to get around via strict stam management. Me and my friend group are loving the game and this current build, best the game has felt in years.

[@smefour]

Trick is not to run everywhere, save it

[@alunaticwithashotgun9840]

10:04 isn't that why they kept Spiro around for now anyway ? Though iirc they removed officials from Spiro and I don't know how many unofficial servers decided to stay on it so I don't know how it is to stay on Spiro right now.

[@alexlorenzo7049]

Nobody ever goes to the swamp. Do beipi, no herbs drinking, onky like 2 crocs in the whole swamp. A beautiful looking swamp is a complete waste cuz there’s no reason to go. No food for most Dino’s. It’s so dumb

[@legendary5733]

Does it have fish AI? Maybe it's for pteras or perhaps for spinosaurids.

[@uwandaroberts9897]

I think all the mechanics and migration zones will work once the roster of dinos is full. The no man's land will be full one day.

[@BeaverBeBussi]

Blud knows yappenise

[@fishplatinum6104]

me personally I think diet foods SHOULD be able to be found outside of migrations zones but it shouldn't be to much obviously, that way it doesn't feel like a requirement to go to it, rather a general area where food can be assured, but not a requirement of gameplay. however I do think stam regen obv needs to be fixed and maybe even make hunger decay take a little longer? I think slightly reducing stam regen from what it was before might be nice, making you have to take the game at a bit of a pace but in its current state it horrible.

[@bergljotisson]

Look on the bright side, with the recent patch, the Perimeter ( Hexadome ) , its North East gateway opened its first stage and areas are getting refined too. But migrations and stamina systems need refinement, migrations especially since Herbivores and Carnivores alike rely heavily on them Sanctuaries suffer worse than nesting grounds, and I feel like they didn't need implementing in the first place.

[@ucjgaming]

Yep, have to agree with these points, map looks fantastic but there is way too much work left to do still! Some places on the map look more like an alpha stage and not a beta 😅

[@Laacer]

It'll get better later on, but yeah some problems are visible only with some settings and I can't quite work out what settings cause the water clipping issues 🤔

[@GlamRockMangleTheFox]

i cant seem to play the new update at the moment

[@DanSnoop]

everything u sai is so true! I hope they listen us and stop come out with no sense update like the new stamina

[@_DEX_-]

Agreed on all topics shared. Stamina loss and regen is the biggest downside to the new map for me. The playability of the game has been lost.

[@SaurianCYH]

Is performance any better now? Kinda wanna check out the new update but still traumatized by 10 fps

[@Laacer]

My performance is good but I have prob different specs.

[@sarcysucho5164]

I have alright performance it’s just the rubber banding

[@Laacer]

try this fix for the rubberbanding: delete the config file, it worked for me

[@sarcysucho5164]

@@Laacer I’ll try it, thanks 🙏

[@Muhahahha]

THERE IS ANOTHER STRESS TESTING BRANCH DOES THAT MEAN THAT THEY'RE TESTING OUT THE NEW PLAY ABLES ??

[@turboturkey7236]

The migration system encourages mixpacking and afk growing, which is exactly the opposite of what we need. In fact, there was literally nothing wrong with the old system because you had to move around the map to find your preferred foods. Sanctuaries are just terrible in thought and design. Some carnivores, like Troodon and Utah, benefit from being able to hunt behbeh dinos, so creating a safe place for them just makes the already difficult carni life even worse. They also encourage afk growing and aren’t even safe from adult predators because bees do more damage to behbehs than the adults, completely negating any reason for the bee’s existence. The stamina changes might be good if only because it discourages sprinting everywhere. I think stamina regen needs tweaking though. Runners like Galli, Utah and Carno would regen stamina faster than a Stego or a Teno. This would change up the pace of the game too.

[@Sypheara]

Everything is really good, but the systems need tuning. Too much drain, not enough regen, not enough things in between. The map itself is actually really good and funnels people into each other.

[@notpegamer]

dont worry laacer there is some hype , welp a new alpha peredator is coming along side of rex and probably next year were gonna have a monster that only exist in or on the foodchain , and its it the ... i like keep you guessing but it is the Type H carno

[@lorddonqweetle]

i wish they kept isla spiro, they should keep both

[@christopher_bense6468]

❤️👍🏻

[@senua2269]

The reason why they changed stam is to slow the game down and to prevent ppl from fighting all the time even when they dont need food and imo its a good idea. But when it comes to hunger, u have to run cuz there is not much food around but ur stam is out very fast - a death sentence. They need to adjust that but then I think it could work.

[@legendary5733]

I don't understand why you all still have hope for this game. It's been in ''working progress'' for 8 years and yet it's still has the same issues and unfinished development. The devs clearly are just taking the piss on the community, ignoring criticism, changes on certain dinosaurs that didn't need to be changed, mechanics that are totally useless or don't change the gameplay and their roadmaps that keeping changing and not stay on track. I left this game since update 6. I came to see of what ''new changes'' this game had since I left. And all I see is the same problems as before.

[@jantjedoedelus8079]

I was so excited for the new map but this is kinda of putting to the point i might just wait a year or so because we all know updates for the Isle are slow and far between. And i still dislike the fact you are constantly in the search for food, now paired with the stam issues it truelly is pointless to explore.

[@lifewithhonordiewithglory1835]

60h in gateway and didnt find this mapglitches. My problem is the pure number of ki animals.

[@Laacer]

🤷

[@ivann9322]

why not just remaster V3?

[@GLGJazzy]

Fully agree on the stamina thing! Omg, too often are game devs WASTING !MY! TIME!!! I have a life and other stuff to do, so the little time that I do get to play your game, don't waste my time and make the experience not worth it man.

[@MissDeviancy]

Playing video games is a waste of time, period. It's not the devs responsibility to try and work around your life schedule. YOU are the one who decides to waste your own time playing their game. That's on you, not them.

[@GLGJazzy]

The devs aren't involved in my life schedule at all. I don't know what you're talking about. If I play the game and see that it is a waste of my time, I will simply no longer play it. That simple. If the devs have a brain, they want their players to keep coming back. Of course they are allowed to do whatever they want with their game. It's their game, and I wasn't arguing that, but if they are smart and want to make money, you make a good game that is fun to play, not one that takes hours to achieve something really small. The point is to reward players for putting their time and effort in. If it doesn't do that, people simply wont put their time and effort into it. Also, video games being a waste of time is a subjective opinion. Not everyone thinks or has the life you do. What they choose to spend their time on is their choice and is not always a waste of time depending on if it achieves something or not, like say if it relieves stress, or makes them happy, or is a way for them to connect with friends. That doesn't sound like a waste of time to me. Sounds like a good work life balance.@@MissDeviancy

[@Diobot]

@@GLGJazzy Wrong mate. Dark Souls is a game that you die and die and die again for many many reasons, and most of them is because you made a stupid mistake. I think the Isle is becoming the same thing. You need to learn to play better. This isn't an arcade battle royale game anymore, it's supposed to be hardcore, and if you manage your stamina well, you dont need to sit to rest for 3-4mins every 2 mins. A good game doesn't pander to everyone, and the isle is definitly gonna have a niche that won't be pleasant to everyone. If you want a quick match go play PoT or BoB. If you want a more realistic, hardcore, brutal experience, play the Isle. Also, you said waste of time is subjective. You destroyed your own argument right there. You complain the devs waste your time, but to me it's stress relieving to walk around, enjoy the scenario, just being an animal and interacting with other animals and SEEING animals interact with other animals. It's enjoyable to me and alot of people. You contradict yourself

[@GLGJazzy]

@Diobot You're actually wrong here. Games have a specific function. There is rules and a system into how they should and shouldn't work, by their own creation. Things that are actually fun and things that are not. Loot boxes for instance serve one purpose, and that is to get something from you, whether it is your time or money. Typically they cost money, but other times they cost your time. You have to work hard at a game or win something and it rewards you with a loot box, or even lets you pick one with some sort of in game currency you can "purchase" it with. That's it. They are literally a gambling system made to take your money and give you that feeling of addiction and constant reward so that you keep playing and giving them you're money. If some of them can be free and only take your time, that makes your time valuable. You're not being paid to play their game, so you're putting that time in for free for them, and sometimes its even more money on a subscription, sometimes as a singular payment. Lootboxes are gambling. Period. And extremely predatory. You should be wary of games that use them. And the only reason it is allowed to exist in games for children, who aren't allowed to gamble because they would easily be preyed upon, is because it does give you something back in return every single time you make a purchase, as opposed to gambling which is often a loosing and debilitating system unless you know how to game it or get luckey, and even then it's risky. Even if its just likely to be a copy of what you likely already have, the risk is on your end to continue to buy the lootboxes knowing you have a high chance of getting the same thing over and over again. It's a RISK to buy it. SECONDLY, dyeing and stamina regen are two very different things. You can play the Isle for HOURS and quite easily survive just fine without dying very often, but the game wouldn't be as fun to most. You would just be hiding a lot. Sitting around doing nothing, and getting food and water only when you need. Scavenging makes it easier and being a herbivore makes it even easier too. You can't respawn your dino after dying, you have to start over with a new one, which means dying isn't a particular focused part of the game. It's surviving. That is its main genre. Survival horror. In dark souls, when you die, you have to start over, but just a little bit, and dying is often a function presented as a way to learn about the enemy so that you can tactically defeat it. It's a puzzle almost, and then when you do figure out the technique, it's still not so simple cause its hard, challenging, even when you know how to do it. It only takes you dyeing once or twice in the Isle on the same dino to know how to not die or what to avoid. The only variable that would change that would be playing a different dino, but once you have that down, everything in your world stays the same minus the players, so dying is purely based on your skill alone. In dark souls the game is constantly changing because your access to it is limited by progression. You don't know what's coming until you get there and have to adapt to it. The Isle doesn't have progression in that way. In The Isle, you can choose where you start on the map and go anywhere you want without there being barriers to stop you, other than the survival aspect. Choosing where on the map you start is even a tactical function for the survival aspect. But no one was ever complaining about dying, they were complaining about stamina regen, and no one said it was because they were dying. I'm pretty sure most people were complaining about stamina regen because of the amount of time it now takes to go somewhere in game, because of the amount of time you have to spend sitting at your computer doing nothing while your dino is sat regening stamina, or the amount of time a fight now takes cause stamina regen for both dinos is atrocious and they will constantly hide or both be not attacking while they each regain stamina. What person complained about stamina regen causing them to die? Cause that's not why I was complaining about it. Implementing something into your game can have positives and negatives without you realizing it. That's what testing is for. The current stamina management is a function that serves little more than to extend your gameplay and drag things out. Nothing else. It doesn't aid in combat, it doesn't make combat easier or harder. It does nothing for combat. Tactically managing your stamina so you win a fight is already a thing you do, nothing has changed, you don't need it to be a large amount of stamina for that to be a thing you have to play around with. If it's already a thing, that means the stamina regen update did nothing but make the game take longer. Everything is now longer to do because of this function. It has no other purpose. They didn't adjust the length of stamina a "little" because of certain dinos being underpowered a bit or some game balancing in that regard. They made EVERY dino's stamina significantly longer while keeping the balance in mind. Explain to me what they did to aid in the gaming experience other than make you have to spend more time on the game? (Also, if you got through all of that, here's another example of how you know your time is valuable. Did you actually put in the time to read all of that? Or were you immediately thinking TLDR, cause if so, you clearly do consider your time valuable, cause you weren't willing to waste it to read what I wrote. Don't let people waste your time. We have a limited amount of it on this planet. :) )

[@Diobot]

@@GLGJazzy Dude... I have no idea what the point of your "lootboxes being gambling" is for... I agree, but what is the relevance here really?? Sorry i just had to make a separate comment for that

[@Rub-A-Duck]

I'm new to the game and what I heard in this video doesn't give me much hope for the future. I don't want to repeat myself because other people already shared similar opinions here. Just want to say that I'm not happy with the stamina system and that you got another sub ^^

[@Laacer]

Thank you and welcome 💜

[@rarepepe6197]

*baby crying noises* I LOVE MY DONDI SLOP! Stop being mean to Dondi's game!!

[@brandonwhiting7229]

uhhh....maybe its just for me but I'm not disappointed at all and I've only seen the hype grow, even if its been only a little bit, also while yes gateway is unfinished, its waaaay more finished than spiro, gateway is about %85 finished while spiro wasn't even %15 done.....at least V3 and thenyaw were finished I guess, all the other maps were garbage, like spiro lol. Rails are being re-added once the bug/visual issue with them is fixed (made fps tank over time) The map is out so we can help find all the bugs with the map, I hope when your finding those visual bugs that your screenshotting your coordinates and sending in a bug report so it can get fixed for gateways full release in update 7.....otherwise, why on earth complain about it being unfinished, again send reports in for every spot you find so it can be corrected, the devs have enough on their plates so lets help them by reporting issues across the huge map. Stam changes are fine, if you manage your stamina correctly you wont have issues, its taking you hours to traverse the map? uhhh are you like taking the least efficient routes or something XD, as a cera i can get to one side of the map to about more than half way in less than 15-20 minutes depending on where im at via trotting, If you want a faster paced game for the isle then host your own server and set the stamina settings to your liking, I really enjoy how the game feels in officials atm, best the game has felt in years. hmmm for me carnivores have been best for traversing the map, Teno ai is so easy to find via their 1 calls that I never have issues staying alive. In the current update more migration zones have been added and you move around the map alot, and for me i find that i never have to go to the migration zone as a carnivore, Teno ai out in the map are enough to live on if you know how to find them. You can find plants outside migration zones but they are few and far between and not reliable from my experience, sanctuaries are only meant for herbivores really, going there as a carnivore guarantees you will starve or be killed, in my opinion carnivores need to have the zone removed from their hud, at least for the bigger carnivores, i can see it being viable for troodons to go there. More sanctuaries will be added when the full update drops, the devs have said they have over 20+ sanctuary areas ready, but for testing purposes only a few were added to the current gateway map for testing. All in all you have a very interesting opinion and view about the game, id say do keep up with development and news videos about what the devs talk about and plan for the future so you can be up to date on everything so your views can be more precise.

[@Laacer]

I prob should've said "my hype" but not everyone sees it like you. I wouldn't call gateway 85%finished yet, it's less. Those bugs have been reported many times. I don't have to agree with you on stam, it is awful imo and I'm not changing my mind on it. The z-walk should be lil faster or stam regen while sitting or both. The sanctuaries should've been added with all of them available. Why is there even stress test if they just push everything out before ironing out the bugs testers report?

[@brandonwhiting7229]

@@Laacer Fair point on the stam, most people arent skilled enough to deal with it yet. Trotting and walk speed rework is coming when the full update drops. No they should not of released all sanctuary zones, they are testing them in the TEST we are playing and will tweak them/ make additions to them from the data and feedback they get for the full update. They haven't pushed out the full update.... The only thing we have atm are the test servers to play and report issues on where minor patches to address some minor bugs have been applied to which i might add many were bugs that the community reported that were fixed, once the full update drops we will have the map thats had all the reported issues fixed on it. so all I can say is wait till update 7 drops for near all your gripes to be addressed as atm all the complaints are about the stress test.

[@Laacer]

@@brandonwhiting7229 they added them on public branch so it's not test anymore.

[@dashdeadly8684]

The map is fine, seems like you just look for small issues and make em look like theyre much worse than they actually are.

[@Laacer]

I did say in video they are small issues

[@aggekingpro4080]

hi

[@fire_quacker5199]

Well everyone wanted it earlier so they just released early

[@mostly_accurate]

Not a fan of the migration at all. There should still be food dotted around the map so the map is actually useable and to spread the players out. Along with the new stam, it makes animals like the PT near unplayable or just difficult to explore. I ran into a deino who wanted to die and i ran myself out of stam before i managed to kill it sitting still and waiting. I do like they made safe places to drink as spiro was Denio paradise.I have little faith the devs will ever actually get a polished game out of this with how much times passed and how little really has been done. An unfinished map with a small spread of dinosaurs compaired to what legacy had. I know there working on the Rex now but on Isle dev time that could be released anytime in the next 10 years.

[@moth._.]

Unfortunately, the state gateway is in currently is what the community gets for constantly pressuring and rushing the dev team for new content. They’re not outwardly saying that to us, they’re showing us that is true through their actions, prematurely releasing this update.

[@LatuaBelladonna]

The only reason anyone says anything about it is cause the devs don't listen to feedback and have been working on this game for years with little to show for it. People are fed up with it all but don't want to see yet another promising game die.

[@Smratboy]

I hopped on to try it but holy s***! This was god awful, possibly the worst addition they have ever done, the map is horrible to move around on. It doesn't feel like it was made for playable dinos, the ground is all over the place. Not to mention the size and paths between areas. It feels like it was made just for humans with how only the roads are sensible choices for moving around. The stam changes, migration, sanctuaries, all are in an absolute state. Will not be returning until substantial changes have been made and even then I honestly can't see it getting much better. It's the Ilse devs after all they would rather ignore all criticism out of spite than change their awful ideas.

[@karenboy1005]

The map is unfinished yeah, but it's entirely playable and a pretty fun experience if you look past the unfinished parts. The alternative to releasing it in this state would have been to keep being stuck with Spiro for another year or 2 until Gateway would have been entirely finished. I would take even half of what Gateway is now over Spiro any day of the week. Spiro was undoubtedly the worst part about the game and sucked the fun out of the experience of playing it every time. Although unfinished, with Gateway I can at least play on a map that looks nice and plays infinitely better.

[@Laacer]

I never really hated Spiro that much, it is okayish map, but gateway is indeed better.

[@planetariantoad6873]

I thought Region 2 was pretty good. The new stam system is a f***ing joke. I mostly play Deinos and Beipis but now I have to wait forever to move in the creatures.

[@MasterSwisher]

Idk what's wrong with this games playerbase. I haven't played the isle since update 6 came out and I HATED that update with a passion. I hated Spiro, I hated the devs talking about community server rex only, I was ready to give up on this game. With gateway finally being available to the public with all its changes, I can honestly say my love for this game is reinvigorated. I love everything about the new update. The game feels more balanced, it's slower so you don't have people sprinting everywhere constantly. It's not a huge battle royal anymore with constantly rotating players, it's an actual survival sim now and I LOVE IT!!!!

[@Laacer]

Stam isn't balanced, it's actually making some of the creatures more vulnerable than before because their attacks use stam. Fights might be lil longer but they pretty much the same.

[@MasterSwisher]

@Laacer stam is absolutely balanced laacer. I've played every dino from galli to troodon to Cera to stego and every single one of them feels better than ever. The only difference now is simply having to z walk every once in a while, which 10 seconds out of 4 minutes I'll take the 10 seconds of z walk and keep moving, vs laying down every 5 minutes for literally NO reason.

[@Laacer]

have you had fights with all the dinos?

[@mr.thundercloud5268]

for 20 U.S dollars this game is amazing, people are expecting too much from devs that doesn't have a big company behind them that can help them with funds and all. The isle is the closest thing we've gotten to a realistic animal simulator. The isle was boring to some people bc it didnt have any content but just to grow and fight. Which made the growing process uninteresting bc we couldn't fight till we're near adulthood. The devs are finally adding sanctuaries, migrations and domes with biomes in it etc, as unfinished as it is they are doing more updates recently than ever. To my perspective the devs will nver be able to satisfy everybody whatever they do. Gateway basically went back to it's nature "isle legacy" in terms of survival but this time it's more hardcore bc of the stam change and anti cheat to night vision and better pvp mechanics. The isle's genre is clearer than ever "survival on hard mode". The community loves to complain and me too, but at the end of the day there rlly isn't any other games you can compare to the isle when it comes to realism. The game isn't expensive, no dlc's and the game is trying it's best to add content to every growth stage.

[@Chareidos]

Map not finished is definitively a bummer for me, but nothing that concerns me too much, since they are still working on it. It was told, that the map would appear first, and in the update news it is said, that Gateway is still under work. Same with the migration zones. Many are not enabled yet, so certain problems are to be expected. Annoying were the diet bugs, that seemed to be solved now? With the Migration-System they might have either waited or placed more of them around. Don't know. But overall it is good for the most species so far. Everything is new, and it is hard to tell, what is going on, if something feels off. That many people struggle has several causes. A) Many still thinking it is meant to be played as an action-centered deathmatch pit. It was never meant to be that. The slowing of pace does benefit the survival formula! Every movement feels more weightful as it should be. People have to think before they engage in a fight, and thus avoid it more as animals would actually do! My only beef with this, is that Ptera and similar lightbuild species should feel light weighted again! Stam Costs are still to high. But it also forces you to engage more thoughtfully with your environment. Make more short rests. About the Stam System: I personally am overall in favor with the change, and I am pretty sure it will be adjusted for the range of species accordingly to the feel these creature should have. Your decision are less tactic and more strategic now! You have to rethink your priorities. Does tick with me! B) New Map means lack of orientation, mountainous terrain making it more devastating if you take the wrong turn with your stomach or thirst-meter not filled. But to be fair, this was always a problem, especially with Spiro (it was just too huge, and everything looked the same)! In contrast to Spiro, Gateway provides. Food is around, it is just harder to get, if it is in unknown terrain. Only reason I died, was on my fault, either being too speedy on hill slopes or failing to stay hydrated, since I could not navigate my way to the water source. I call it "skill issues" on my behalf. Nothing to blame the map too early for.

[@Laacer]

Gateway is bigger than Spiro thought. But yeah everything is still WIP, but we have been waiting quite long and for me this game feels like it's never gonna finish. It has been early access for 7 long years. And they switch maps like socks.

[@Laacer]

At the start isle was going to similar to primal carnage aka deathmatch

[@Chareidos]

@@Laacer Can not remember which year I got into the game. But it was pre-alpha, progression was the "new game" mode, it was gaining track for it being a "puristic" dinosaurgame. And this is the reason why it got its community. Whatever was meant, the community back then changed, and whatever was does not really matter at this point. :) Dunno about map-size, but it feels small in certain parts due to the fact, that you have branching paths and narrower points, like valleys, roads and trample paths through the woods. I always encounter someone as long as I do not venture out to the secluded places. Southwest Access is a paradise for Pteras now! I recently was exploring the outer rims and noticed that many places there need some more attention of the devs. But overall this map is far superior to Spiro.

[@Laacer]

@@Chareidos yes I agree, the map is the best they have done this far and I hope to see it improve when all the additions they're planning on are in it. Like I said, I still love isle. It has been long road for it and it seems to be improving in time. I have been playing it since 2016 so I have seen all of the old maps myself so I can confidently say gateway is the best. But I also feel like it's not going to be the last map they ever make 😅

[@Chareidos]

@@Laacer lets hope it will last some years. :)

[@utsavwhysytsobadrecently]

The isle Devs Why??? I just wanted to play as potato😢

[@Diobot]

You complain that you have to stay in migration zones. You complain that you like to explore and migrations dont allow you to. Then you complain you found diet foods outside of migration and that that makes no sense and shouldn't work like that?? You're complaining just for complaining sake... If you want to explore you can because, as a herbi, you have a chance to find diet foods along the way. If you want to explore as a carni, you can because there are alot of migration zones for different dinos and even the same dinos have more than 1 migration zone active at the same time. And there are AI running along and actually there are alot of AI tenos walking around which give alot of food. I don't get you. Sanctuaries aren't supposed to be safe havens, they are supposed to be a place where juvies can't get killed by big dinos. That's it. You can still be killed by baby dinos and adult troodons and even be ambushed by big dinos when you get out of there. The Isle is never a safe place. Always watch your back. Oh, and they said they are going to add 10-15 sanctuaries so it's not gonna be a battleground forever. Stamina is gonna get some tweaks soon, but it's supposed to be a slow paced game. We have alot of fast paced arcade battle royale dino games already. I actually like the new stamina and if you learn how to manage it well, it's pretty rewarding. Oh and these stam changes completely erased most toxic behaviour like players harassing you for no reason (pteras) All of these changes made the game slow down yes, but it's more scary, more intense, makes you consider your options, and overall theres a more immersive vibe or ambience. I like these changes and the direction of the game alot, and even though the game has gotten harder, it's more enjoyable for me.

[@headwyvern11]

you realize the game is still in development, so the maps being unfinished are part of designing a good game. as they keep working on it you'll notice things get better over time, most of the other maps were for completely different engines and now with UE5 they will be able to accelerate development hopefully. within probably two or three weeks expect a surprise drop of one of the dinos they are polishing atm, probably dilo. you're not giving enough credit where it's due, you've enjoyed how much time with people with the game in early access i.e. unfinished. making dinos, maps, ect requires a lot of work not to mention the server maintenance... stop and think sometimes before you vent because people will become misinformed by videos like this.

[@Laacer]

It has been in early access for 7 years.

[@jurojuro4331]

WTF is this? They put in migration system - base on moving and they nerf down stamina regen? Illogical and boring!

[@vashbain3136]

I hate the new map, I think spiro was actually pretty good if they actually worked on it and fixed its issues