Let’s talk about Kairi

[@BioRoxas]

Please be nice to each other in the comments ❤️ I know this is a topic that people are passionate about but at the end of the day we all love Kairi (I think) and want to see her grow and become better as a character.

[@FuriousMMO]

What do you think is going to happen in KH4 do you think we will play as kairi in the begining on destiny islands what are your thoughts??

[@BioRoxas]

@@vadandrumist1670 it took a long time for exposition sake I believe though its a good point. I’d counter the point about the keyblade graveyard with both Lea and Kairi lost seconds into starting battle. I think they were as ready as they could be but their training wasn’t good enough.

[@BioRoxas]

@@FuriousMMO I have no idea but I’m excited for it xD

[@xblade149]

Something is wrong with the volume

[@dekaidoku]

What happened to Kairi is basically what happened to everyone else in Re:Mind, where Sora figuratively took control or fought alongside the heart of the character we played as. But since this is literally the inside of her memory and cause of Kairi's lack of confidence and lack of strength as of yet, and likely her own trauma with Xehanort, this manifested a bit more literally for her. Hell what happens afterward is basically the exact same thing that happened in ReMind

[@AuroraPeachy]

This is all happening inside Kairi's head, and shows that she's not confident in her *own* abilities yet. She hasn't learned to stand on her own, which is why she had to channel Sora to stand with her in order to defeat this projection of Xehanort (would definitely have been better if they were both fighting him, rather than just "Sora" though). But now she's actively taking things into her own hands, *choosing* to train with Aqua (SO HAPPY!), and declaring that she will someday be strong enough to stand beside Sora AND Riku as their equals. It's fantastic development and a perfect setup for her future!

[@TaviiCatniss]

damn, XD saved me like 5 mins

[@Ncholasbloom]

@@TaviiCatniss the way i look at is sora and kairi fighting as one cuz we,ve seen this transition happen before remember when roxas woke up on the 6th day he was starting to become one with his other half

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

How many times do we need that setup? This is like the 3rd time e.e

[@PeachyPlays]

@@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz The first time she was given a keyblade in KH2 she just jumped right in and did her best. Then in KH3 she trained, but didn't make the decision herself; she was called there by Yen Sid and told where to go and what to do, and did so with another new keyblade wielder. This time, she actively made the decision to better herself and chose to train under Aqua, a female Keyblade Master and perfect mentor for her. Does it suck that her story is moving so slowly? Sure. But she isn't and has never been the main focus of the series.

[@maxsteel4934]

@@PeachyPlays I just hope she does not end up like Sakura

[@JapanFreak2595]

Honestly the fight with Xehanort was so well animated that can't even be mad. This was probably the best cutscene fight in the series and Kairi held her own by thinking on her feet.

[@DairunCates]

"Kairi's been asleep and not training." I mean, counterpoint, Sora literally was powered down to level 1 at the beginning of 3, Kairi's a major figure of power in the universe's cosmology, her nobody was powerful enough to cause literally half of the plot of 2, she's trained more than Sora canonically has at this point, and being a Master with years of training in a literal timeless hellhole didn't keep Aqua from being a punching bag in 3. I think people underestimate just how much narrative leeway Sora's been given from being a Protagonist. They even wrote him to essentially be an underdog among all the Masters, but he still essentially gets all of the killing blows that Riku doesn't pick up from being his "rival". To put this in a different perspective, I really don't think people would be complaining if Kairi had beaten a mental projection of Xehanort. There wouldn't be need to rationalize it, because we've seen several cutscenes of her growth. It has been properly foreshadowed that she can stand on her own.

[@ammonahwong9994]

Yeah then he built it back up by leveling up through Disney Worlds until the final battle in those games, so....

[@hyperfairy7779]

I find that they had Sora literally replacing Kairi absolutely disgusting. If they wanted to show the connection between Sora and Kairi and that Kairi gets her strengh from Sora, they could of had an apperation appear behind her like when Micky was shooting that giant keyhole in KH re-mind DLC, but no, they literally robbed Kairi of a chance to develop as a charicter and face her fears head on And I'm not saying Kairi could beat Xehanort alone. In my scenario she is still relying on support from Sora, just in a much less disrespectful manner. I also think it's worth noting that while Sora did do most of the work, Kairi was able to put up a good fight in Re:mind against goat armour Xehanort, a foe stronger than any other seekers of darkness that the gaurdians of light struggled against. So she can definitely fight pretty well And yes, it's disgusting how they've been baiting us with promises that Kairi will be useful since KH 2 and then shafting her every single time, and using the same lie to hype up every new release Kairi has a keyblade now! Can't wait for her to be useful in the next game! Kairi is traning under yen sid! Can't wait for her to be useful in the next game! Kairi is in a secret world where time doesn't flow giving her unlimited time to train with Lea under Merlin, can't wait for her to be useful in the keyblade war and the next game! Kairi will be traning under aqua, why should I beleave them Kairi will be useful when they've lied to us since KH2, they are just keeping Kiari weak so they can keep baiting us into buying future games in hopes she actually does something. For that traning to mean anything, we need a Kairi and aqua game, or at least cutscenes of them traning, not just sitting around talking

[@hyperfairy7779]

@@ammonahwong9994 so why can't Kairi do the same? Go through Disney worlds and get stronger?

[@ammonahwong9994]

@@hyperfairy7779 she probably will while training with Aqua in another game

[@bigmac371]

@@hyperfairy7779 they haven’t lied since kh2 you have just been assuming that

[@Titan_Trainer]

WARNING: Long comment ahead I think something that a lot of people need to remember is that this game was never meant to be a full-length action RPG. Much like 0.2, this game was meant to give a little bit of Kairi's arc and set up her upcoming journey and growth. From a gameplay perspective, yes, it is a little disappointing that Kairi didn't fight Master Xehanort, but it makes sense given that Kairi had no battle animations at all in the old engine. And given the small amount of boss fights in the game, in-game action was never the focus. BUT, what we did get was an amazing battle in cutscenes that showed that she's learnt a little from KH3. But here's something that I really want to focus on. We can't expect Kairi to just suddenly improve a lot in combat and to grow much as a character in this game. It's not a full-length RPG and it doesn't have that much story. Much like Sora in 0.2, this is the start of her journey. 0.2 set up Sora's lost power and his guilt for losing it, as well as his sadness for his inability to help Riku and Mickey. The same can be said here. Kairi has now witnessed first-hand what the outside world is like; it's dangerous. She was thrown into the middle of a war because Xehanort forced them into an ultimatum; the Guardians of Light were left with very few options. So, with Kairi barely having any experience in the field, she disappears, causing Sora to go after her and take her place, and she feels guilty about it. She wants to go with Riku, but she also knows she is far from ready, and that's something very unique when it comes to KH characters. She always wanted to see the outside world and now, she wants to take a step back because she's hesitant after what happened to her (and who can blame her). Again, this is the START of her journey, not the end of it. In order for Kairi to develop, she needs to have a journey, not skip to the end; she has to face struggles like other characters. Riku, for example, needed Mickey's help multiple times in COM due to his struggles with Ansem. In the rest of that game, Riku is facing challenges so that EVENTUALLY he defeats Ansem on his own. Kairi is getting that same treatment, she needs to learn, to grow, to face challenges and THEN become more developed thanks to that. I'm VERY excited to see how she goes training under Master Aqua cause that alone is a very interesting concept. I understand why people are disappointed, I can't blame them. But we need to remember that, just like other characters before her, Kairi can't just magically be incredibly better from one game to a very smaller game. She needs time and Melody of Memory was simply the next step forward.

[@Redxan600]

Could not have said it better than myself, my boy. Ok now I just realized you're the same dude who did the Kingdom Hearts callback videos. Didn't recognize you with that profile pic.

[@satopika]

Beautifully said here

[@jasondavis2381]

@Justin Overstreet It'd better be a 'show, don't tell' and not a 'tell, don't show' like in KH3.

[@Redxan600]

@@jasondavis2381 Could you give examples as to how KH3 did the 'tell, don't show' thing?

[@jasondavis2381]

​@@Redxan600 The game only showed Kairi and Lea talking about a bit about their training, and not actually showed them training like we all expected.

[@tylermcphee3461]

I was proud of Kairi she held her own against memory Xehanort (plus she canonically learned glide at like level 20 which is an endgame ability for sora)

[@TheJaredPunch]

Even Xehanort himself complemented Kairi. That has to be something. She can easily grow to be a powerful Keyblade Wielder.

[@yungbreezy36]

Xehanort toyed with her. If he took it seriously, she'd have been trashed in seconds.

[@ManusiaKagakRusuh]

@@yungbreezy36 But still, Xehanort did acknowledge that this Kairi is stronger than Kairi back in his time as Xemnas and Ansem tho ...

[@simbathedog55]

I have always been a huge fan of Kairi, and I believe the best thing for Kairi to do now is quite simple: that girl needs to visit some Disney Worlds. Visiting Disney worlds has always been an important step for keyblade weilders: Every single playable character has visited Disney Worlds and developed bonds with the people who live there. Ventus and Hercules, Aqua and Zack, Terra and 626, Roxas and Tinkerbell, Riku and Mickey's friendship! And of course, Sora and literally anyone. Kairi has not developed those bonds yet, and therefore we haven't had the time for her to really show who she is. This is my imagining for a future KH game where she's the protagonist. We know that Kairi is training under Aqua, and Mickey is off to learn about Scala. I want Mickey to go missing in Scala on the trail of Sora, and have Kairi, Donald and Goofy searching for him. This would give us a reminicence of the original Trio, while giving Kairi some positive characters to play off of. While in Scala, they meet with someone (my imagination has someone who has taken up residence in Scala after being ousted from their original world when it fell to darkness back in 1, not a keyblade weilder, more like a refugee, perhaps someone like Ashe from FF12), who mentions that Mickey has gone to other worlds in search of a "bridge" between fiction and reality. Kairi, Donald and Goofy can then travel to those worlds, setting up a new set of Princesses of Heart, and starting to examine what actually goes into being a Princess of Heart. I want them to travel to Game Central Station, and find Vanellope, who ends up being a Princess of Heart despite her initial, "unprincess-like" appearence. I want them to further define "Princess of Heart:" Instead of Princess of Heart being this vague concept, I see them defining it as Princesses of Heart having exceptional traits that should be encouraged, such as Alice's creativity, Rapunzel's curiosity, or Anna's free spirit. Kairi would go on an individual journey within herself to determine what makes *her* a worthy Princess of Heart. I want to see worlds like Game Central Station, Toy Box, and perhaps even Hawaii and have 626 return, but worlds that intertwine fiction and reality. These worlds should have problems, and I want Kairi to not do such a great job at solving these problems because she keeps trying to emulate Sora. Donald and Goofy being there would help this, perhaps trying to guide her based on what they'd expect Sora to do, even if it doesn't end up going all that well. She needs to learn the lesson that she isn't Sora, but she can do good all the same. And I want her to come to the conclusion that her "admirable trait" is her tenacity, her willingness to go on no matter the circumstances, to never give up. This arc would give us a good path for the trio: Sora's power is his incredible positivity and kindness, Riku's power is his balance between the Light and the Darkness, and Kairi's power is her ability to never give up, no matter the odds.

[@familytablet6453]

Ok I NEED this now

[@RobbsterKlaw]

It’s not even about representation for me. It’s Kairi as a character. About how KH3 hyped her up to be on par with Sora, Riku, etc. Wasn’t the whole point of training with Lea in Merlin’s magic time realm to get them to the same power level as the others? We see that she is capable of holding her own against Xemnas and Xehanort, but that needs to translate into gameplay. And now she’s only playable in one fight in Re:Mind and now even in her own game, she’s only playable in 2 levels at the very end. She doesn’t even get to fight the final boss of her own game. At this point it just feels like she deserves more. I’m not a Kairi stan or anything, but I really want to be. I want to see her succeed. Sorry about the wall of text, I just have a lot of opinions on this.

[@hyperfairy7779]

Exactly this, And I want to add it's disgusting how they've been baiting us with promises that Kairi will be useful since KH 2 and then shafting her every single time, and using the same lie to hype up every new release Kairi has a keyblade now! Can't wait for her to be useful in the next game! Kairi is traning under yen sid! Can't wait for her to be useful in the next game! Kairi is in a secret world where time doesn't flow giving her unlimited time to train with Lea under Merlin, can't wait for her to be useful in the keyblade war and the next game! Kairi will be traning under aqua, why should I beleave them Kairi will be useful when they've lied to us since KH2, they are just keeping Kiari weak so they can keep baiting us into buying future games in hopes she actually does something. For me to beleave Aqua's training of Kairi will have any effect, we need a Kairi and Aqua game, or at least cutscenes bthat show Aqua Actually traning Kairi, not just sitting around talking

[@Mario_KHX]

@@hyperfairy7779 Kairi started her first training at the beginning of KH3. Remember that DDD's secret ending, 0.2 and KH3's beginning take place at the same time.

[@lu.02x]

yeah, I feel the same way-

[@gwyjar]

nah even saix said axel was insane for actually allowing kairi to fight with them

[@IDK_Kat]

I was playing BBS when my Mom walked in. She had always seen me only playing as Aqua, so she asked why I wasn't playing as Kairi. I told her she wasn't playable, but that she probably would be in the future. My mom was disappointed that Aqua was the only female. Hopefully now, I'll finally get to play as her in KHIIII when comes out in 2022 (but tbh I just want to play as Aqua and Xion more).

[@ManusiaKagakRusuh]

Well, actually, Xion and Larxene is playable in KHDays (not in the story mode tho) ... So Aqua wasn't "the only playable female characters" ... But yeah, I got your point ...

[@Dirandra1506]

Dude, it's IV.

[@NicolasMendoula]

Cool mom

[@redstreak9430]

Well, at least you can play as her for a boss battle in ReMind. I do hope that she and Namine will get a bigger role in the new Saga.

[@duncanbug]

Why couldn’t they have just had Kairi be able to “borrow” Sora’s power by using the Kingdom Key for that one fight? Don’t swap the model out for Sora just show him flicker in for a sec to help? That would have shown what they were trying to show story wise AND been a cool power of love moment.

[@hyperfairy7779]

Indeed so, Honestly, I find that they had Sora literally replacing Kairi absolutely disgusting. If they wanted to show the connection between Sora and Kairi and that Kairi gets her strengh from Sora, they could of had an apperation appear behind her like when Micky was shooting that giant keyhole in KH re-mind DLC, but no, they literally robbed Kairi of a chance to develop as a charicter and face her fears head on And I'm not saying Kairi could beat Xehanort alone. In my scenario she is still relying on support from Sora, just in a much less disrespectful manner. I also think it's worth noting that while Sora did do most of the work, Kairi was able to put up a good fight in Re:mind against goat armour Xehanort, a foe stronger than any other seekers of darkness that the gaurdians of light struggled against. So she can definitely fight pretty well

[@Mario_KHX]

Because the keyblade alone doesn't give power. Aqua can summon Eraqus' keyblade, that doesn't mean she can use Eraqus' power. I agree that the cutscene could've been handed better, like Sora using Kairi's keyblade or Kairi's ghost appearing behind Sora every time he uses a special attack. I'm giving those examples because the game still had to remake the Sora vs Xehanort fight from KH3 and wouldn't make sense to skip that battle or fight him twice, and Kairi defeating him wouldn't make sense at all (I mean, using her model to remake the KH3 fight).

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

@@Mario_KHX Remember when sora did the exact same thing in remind and they didn't become sora? Also this clearly wasn't the real xehanort, just a mental projection. if there's a boss she can beat it was this one.

[@supersparks25]

I think that Kairi wasn’t able to handle Xehanort and Sora needed to step in. If you watch that fight he doesn’t even summon his keyblade and is able to go untouched the whole fight and once he does summon it he instantly wins. Giving Kairi Sora’s power would barely give her a fighting chance. I’m a bit more mad that she isn’t going with Riku and not getting a journey to go on to learn and become stronger.

[@neeko6061]

@@supersparks25 if she going with riku, she will be deadweight and many fans will shiting on her again training with aqua is the best choice for her.... hopefully nomura didnt flip mid finger on us and shitting on kairi again in next game

[@CriticPerfect]

nah i literally didnt accept this as the "kairi game" so I'm kinda glad that she still has a chance to get her own game in a 0.2 style or maybe a full-blown game

[@gatst7680]

She's gotta get her own game. The Foretellers are back and MoM clearly planned for Sora and probably Riku to disappear. Odds are that they're going to do something, and Kairi is gonna have to be the one to stop them.

[@CriticPerfect]

@@gatst7680 next game will basically be the riku game then after that i have no idea

[@yungbreezy36]

Kairi is not getting a game. Get over it.

[@yungbreezy36]

@@gatst7680 You're delusional as hell lol

[@gatst7680]

@@yungbreezy36 Then what else are they gonna do? Time isn't just find stop while they're in Quadratum.

[@jonathanrobinson198]

Narratively, I like how they’ve set up Kairi to get stronger and grow, but I do find it weird that it’s one happened with her in terms of training/finding ways to improve. Even when Sora and Riku had to properly learn, it was more trial by fire than anything. Kairi’s always been such an eager individual like them and Kingdom Hearts has shown adventures being used as tool to make a person stronger multiple times. I’m surprised they don’t just send her on an adventure. I’m a little surprised she hasn’t just left to do her own thing. It happens in every trio.

[@Mario_KHX]

Sora and Riku had fighting skills before KH1 took place. Kairi didn't learn to fight until KH3 and spent a year asleep after that, so it makes sense that she's not as capable as the rest. At this point she's at the same level of Ventus, at the beginning of BBS.

[@jonathanrobinson198]

Mario A. Sora and Riku dueling each other with toy swords isn’t much fighting skill and yet they did pretty well on their adventure. Also, Ventus at the beginning of bbs was still handy enough to spar with his friends and handle the first part of the Exam with them. I would think the decision to have Kairi participate in the war and her display against Xehanort in this and ReMind, would mean Kairi is more than capable of exploring Worlds for experience. Especially now that they’re safer and could bring someone along if she wanted to.

[@somebodystopme3822]

@@Mario_KHX they were literally children slowly play fighting with sticks.

[@Mario_KHX]

@@somebodystopme3822 At least they knew the basics (unlike Kairi). Just look at Riku's fighting style in the islands.

[@somebodystopme3822]

@@Mario_KHX they were children... play fighting... with sticks. That isn’t training, it’s playing. They just got to go off on adventures and save the universe multiple times with no training. Kairi literally had formal keyblade training and yet still was written as pathetic.

[@SSlash]

I honestly love these types of videos where it’s just a quick little thought dump so to speak on a specific subject, and I agree with pretty much all of this, like I get why they did what they did, but I don’t necessarily agree with all the finer details surrounding the whole thing. I just really hope moving forward that her training with Aqua isn’t just treated as a small little bullet point thing that happened off screen and they don’t even make much of an effort to really quite reference the fact that it happened.

[@Howardpower679]

People like to complain that sora defeated ansem, xemnas and master xehanort "alone" while Kairi dosent stand a chance but,they forget sora was never alone he had a lot of strong friends by his side while Kairi is fighting "gods"(compared to her skill and experience) alone... like really? Give her a chance to grow... in chain of memories riku would get destroyed if it isn't was for mickey namine and even ansem himself (for allowing riku to use the power of darkness) what I'm trying to say here.. is that Kairi never got a chance to be strong because she never got time for that BUT now she has the time to ( and yes she had one Year training in a time chamber butt... her and lea wasn't with any good keyblade wilder they had to learn alone)

[@venia6006]

Kairi definitely needs more time to learn, and now she has a master she has chosen to hopefully to teach her it should be streamlined and she (I expect anyway) will probably come into Quadratum to help save Sora and Riku/ defeat MoM at the last second. I expect it would be a Sora, Riku and Kairi tag team to kick MoM's ass. Kairi needs more screen/play time as I feel she is a good character she just needs to be used and applied to the story correctly and she needs some more power before being able to be a hold her own, at the moment she is okay, but over time I see her becoming a great strong character. But one thing to mention saying "sora defeated Ansem, Xemnas and master Xehanort "alone" while Kairi doesn't stand a chance but, they forget sora was never alone he had a lot of strong friends by his side" is not completely true, I see where you are coming from, but Sora did have a similar situation as Kairi, he was alone for parts and in terms of learning how to wield a keyblade he was alone, nobody could teach him what a keyblade could do, except Leon and co who gave him basic info, but they never actually taught him anything about how to use the keyblade, just background of what it is, from there he was basically clueless and had to get stronger himself in term of his keyblade mastery and proficiency. He did have to fight alone after being separated from his party like in KH1 during 2 phases of the Ansem boss fight, KH2 with his first battle with Xemnas. In KH1 which is the game where he first gets the keyblade and where he had nobody to actually teach him like Kairi got via Yen Sid. I like Kairi, but you are disregarding the fact that Sora has had to fight alone, and learn alone in terms of the keyblade since he had nobody to teach him and tho he did have friends to help (Donald and goofy), he only started getting keyblade related help in KH2. Which Kairi got before she had to face any of those big bad bosses down.Kairi started being taught how to fight by Disney sorry Yen Sid at the end of DDD, the secret ending is Yen Sid sending Riku to get Kairi to him so he can start training her in how to use a Keyblade. She needs more time to get powerful so we can see her true potential, but please if you make a case for Kairi do not exclude what happens to other characters such as Sora. As saying he was never alone you are excluding the entirety of KH1 when he had 0 help with the keyblade as he found out as he went along saving the worlds. I do love Kairi, and I love Sora, neither are my favourite, that title goes to Lea/Axel. But both had a keyblade without really knowing how to use it, and Kairi actually got training in comparison to sora before she faced any big bad bosses, Sora got training from Yen Sid after defeating Ansem. And Kairi got training before fighting any of the XIII Darknesses. If I am wrong about anything (DDD or otherwise) please tell me, I will edit the wikipage which I used to reread what the story was since I don't know anything about DDD. KH2 and co were my head, but yea DDD was wikipaged. Edit: please do not kill my friend for this, I am not the owner of this account but we do love this game and so I borrowed his account briefly to type this, he will probably tell me about this so I can respond but please give me time cand don't murder my friend.

[@DannielSquall100]

I really doubt she'll get anything on a future kingdom hearts game. Knowing how this series treats girls, and specially, Kairi, this "training" with Aqua will happen off screen and won't be deeply explored.

[@venia6006]

@@DannielSquall100 I 100% agree sadly thats Kingdom Hearts, but I can hope Kairi will get some more in depth exploration into her training or just her in general. She does need the spotlight in comparison to the rest of the characters, she hasn't been able to prove herself yet. I hope that even if we don't get the "training" shown to us, we will at least get some growth and some action from her in the future.

[@KingdomKing13]

I understand she still has more to learn, but damn people, 99% of that fight, Xehanort toyed with her BAREHANDED. Bare. Handed. I don’t care how strong Nort is compared to her, that is just insulting.

[@Howardpower679]

@@KingdomKing13 thats a point of a super villan my guy do you think he care about morals??? HAH

[@tsumetai_kaze]

To be bluntly honest, I feel like Kairis VA, at least in the English dubbing, feels super flat emotionally. A lot of the characters in KH feel emotionally flat, but Kairi has it the worst. The line at the end of MoM where Kairi says "I've had enough of this!" feels like one of the first times Kairi has had emotion come forth in her voice, even if it was rather mild compared to other characters like Sora and Xehanort.

[@Oathkeeper1992]

Well, also, to be fair, Kairi hasn't been given the kind of emotional growth and spectrum she deserves. So it's kind of understandable most of her lines come off more flat. I do agree occasionally that Allyson Stoner could add a little more emotional depth to her voice acting, but hopefully as Kairi becomes the focus more, her dialogue will become better.

[@gatst7680]

Well, we can hope that she gets her own game sometime soon. I'd like to have her actually being useful for once lol. Training with Aqua outta do some good though!

[@austendunavant8560]

The way they’re handling Kairi is really interesting to me since it seems like they’re taking it slow. Every time we see her again, she’s improved from before but only slightly. This game felt like Nomura promising the time will come for her to fight alongside everyone else, but thats not now. This weird ‘slow’ treatment for plot lines kind of reminds me of how he handles Pete and Maleficent. They haven’t really done much since kh1 but Nomura’s still saying they’re relevant since they keep showing up game after game. It makes me think he has a goal he wants to accomplish with them someday. Maybe its the same for kairi. If you ask my opinion, I’d actually say we’d see kairi become keyblade master before we see something like pete and maleficent actually being a force to be reckoned with again. I’m hoping both will happen eventually. Although, another part of me thinks Nomura has seen people’s problem with kairi and doesnt want her to just suddenly become all powerful. Like you were saying, it would be kinda unnatural for her to suddenly take down xehanort with no factors changing from before. It feels to me like he wants her to slowly progress from where she is now and actually earn the title of keyblade master. I think its very possible we see more character development through her mark of mastery training than any other character has through it (including riku) and definitely more character development than she’s had before. It seems like even though this was just another kairi fails to win story, he is promising to the fans that it won’t always be like that. Or i guess thats just the vibe i got

[@Oathkeeper1992]

Yeah, I hope you're right. I guess the optimistic view is that Kairi isn't all powerful right now, which sets up the opportunity for a full game to focus on us playing as her so that she does work her way into that position. Potentially then getting her to become a Keyblade master. My guess is that she is going to be integral in saving Sora (and most likely Riku), and she's going to need to be a Keyblade master to accomplish that. I just hope the 2022 game is the Kairi game that we've all so desperately been waiting for.

[@JakeTylenol]

It’s kind of ridiculous to me how she’s the only character in universe who can’t just learn how to use a keyblade effectively after picking it up.

[@mr.matthews8002]

I mean, being that kairi was in her own memories fighting, she could've used some more powerful moves that maybe would come from her princess heart. And when she wakes up she could train to get those powers she found out to flourish

[@seteoku1345]

I mean the devil's advocate would be that it was because she was in her own memories that she was losing, to be fair Xehanort did KILL HER that's not something you just walk away from and because of that she sees him as someone completely unbeatable but the fact that she stood up and held her own was more than enough in my opinion also maybe that what Xehanort was leading onto saying the answers you seek are from memories that are long gone, maybe if she reconnect with those memories she would rediscover or discover powers that have always been in her (since she's a princess of heart and all)

[@mr.matthews8002]

@@seteoku1345 it would be a big anime moment either way

[@alejandroqueijo]

Im sad, they used sora for the battle, especially after playing as kairi in remind and see that SHE'S A BEAST. BUT at least she fought (in the cinematic) and it seems to be learning and becoming more stronger so my hopes for Kairi becoming a main character (like she should be) are very high. Sad that she's not there yet after all this games, but happy that its getting there

[@mekbudaanimations8887]

The fight scene at the end though was pretty good. Much more than I expected. They've been lacking impactful fights since kh 3.

[@MikeKennedyNFL]

What do you mean “since KH3”? That’s the last game released.

[@mekbudaanimations8887]

@@MikeKennedyNFL I apologize my wording was incorrect . The animated fights just seem to have lost all of their weight in kh3. Everyone gets one shotted and no one is dodging. Re chain of memories had better fight scenes than kh3. Kh2 only had one real fight scene that wasn't reaction commands and that was Sora vs Roxas (i could be wrong) . The problem I have with these fight scenes is that they never showcase everything our heroes are capable of.

[@Mario_KHX]

@@mekbudaanimations8887 Yeah but there's a difference between KH2/COM and KH3. In past games those fighting scenes exist because they never were playable in the first place (Sora vs Roxas, Axel vs Marluxia), so they had to give us the whole fight in cutscenes instead. In KH3, most of these fights are playable, so the game decides to show us the beginning and conclusion of these battles instead (I wish it had a mix of both like the Sora vs Roxas battle, but the decision makes sense nonetheless). The most close thing we have to KH2/COM is the Lingering Will vs Terranort fight, precisely beacuse isn't playable. Thanks god, Re:Mind fixed that and gave us a lot of great fighting scenes.

[@Wizard_Pikachu]

More like since KH2FM's secret ending!

[@mekbudaanimations8887]

@@Mario_KHX @Mario A. I personally wanted a little more. I'm a greedy fan honestly. I just feel there's more potential than what they are showing. An intro fight before the battle is another route to take. Kh3 took away the flashy reaction commands and added very little cinematic action scenes. Remind kinda fixed this. Overall your statement is correct. But in ff7r we fought sephiroth and still has a badass action section after.

[@alejandroqueijo]

I want a game of Aqua teaching ventus and kairi and the games ends with both of them taking the mark of mastery exam

[@Rathdrgnknight]

I'd be more ok with it if they maybe had her training/journey more on-screen. But so far, they've robbed her character arc and us of seeing her arc. It's a damn shame, and I really, really hope there will be segments with her and aqua that we get to play, not just cutscenes.

[@agentg9910]

In the Kingdom Hearts 1 beta trailer text says "That's right Sora. Your body, Your soul, Your whole existence, they're all going to disappear!" and then another text says "Come on guys! Let's save Sora!" I think all of this is tying back to the original plot where Sora was the one who had to be saved instead of Kairi.

[@Ando1428]

She just used a d-link. Pulling the power she had from sora where her heart was sitting in. Sora wasn't the fighter in that fight. Well technically neither was xehenort.

[@alonsotoon]

I really hope we get a playable Kairi game, because if not shes forever gonna feel like the Sakura of the trio, "Hey guys, ive finally caught up to you" but you havent seen her earn it and because you dont see her it doesnt feel like shes at the same level as them.

[@RratRemi]

I mean kairi's moveset in KH3 was really fun, so i am a bit dissapointed that she wasnt the final fighter.... but hopefully going based off the end of melody, i have a feeling Kairi is going to be the main character for the next continuation of the story

[@Sjono]

1:45 Keyblade wielders don’t punch people

[@WhoTaku]

I'm just happy that Re:Mind and Melody of Memory actually showed Kairi putting up a fight and not just getting kidnapped without a struggle. Of course everyone wants to see Kairi become an awesome keyblade master and I think training under Aqua who is the most skilled master is a step in the right direction.

[@RageKnight4]

Kind of disappointed they defaulted to Sora but I am glad to AT LEAST see her fight even if it's only cinematic

[@elimulvihill4126]

I just want a DDD-style game with her and Riku teaming up, man.

[@LunarEntity]

The way I see it, Nomura actually gives a damn about the series now because he's finally able to latch his Versus XIII universe onto it. It'll hopefully be a positive for us in the long run, and Kairi's development could be the first steps toward that. Also, too many people angry over a fictional character. If she ends up doing nothing in the 4th game then so be it.

[@hyperfairy7779]

I hope he melds the two well, it feels more like he wants to turn KH into FF Vs 13 2.0 at the moment

[@garyconstanza3120]

What gets me is that Kairi has to train. Why training, specifically? Why not go on a journey of her own, or at least alongside her friends and support them while they do the heavy lifting? It feels degrading, when both of her friends didn't need to train in order to grow both in character and in power. Ventus at the beginning of BBS was just as sheltered, weak and underprepared as Kairi currently is, yet he wasn't forced to be stuck in the Land of Departure training under a master just so he could catch up. He grew a spine simply by striking out on his own, searching for Terra and learning things along the way. Is it such an outrageous idea for Kairi to go through something similar? For her to actually be involved in the search of the one she's grown to love, beyond just a memory probe or having to train even more than she already did in KH3? It's been 14 years since KH2, and 8 years since Kairi was initially set up to be a guardian of light in DDD, and she's barely had any major development since then. I don't see how having the exact same setup as before is going to turn her around or a sign that she'll improve going forward.

[@hyperfairy7779]

Indeed so, if Sora, Ventus and Riku can go out in their own and become stronger though experience there is no excuse for Kairi to not do the same, Yes, Sora has power of friendship had to augment him and Riku had the power of darkness, But Kairi has her own special power, the power that comes from being a princess of heart And yes, I think it's disgusting how they've been baiting us with promises that Kairi will be useful since KH 2 and then shafting her every single time, and using the same lie to hype up every new release Kairi has a keyblade now! Can't wait for her to be useful in the next game! Kairi is traning under yen sid! Can't wait for her to be useful in the next game! Kairi is in a secret world where time doesn't flow giving her unlimited time to train with Lea under Merlin, can't wait for her to be useful in the keyblade war and the next game! Kairi will be traning under aqua, why should I beleave them Kairi will be useful when they've lied to us since KH2, they are just keeping Kiari weak so they can keep baiting us into buying future games in hopes she actually does something.the only way I can beleave her training with aqua will amount to anything is if we actually get a game based around it or at least get cutscenes of them Actually traning, not just talking

[@Oathkeeper1992]

To be fair, Ventus technically left the Land of Departure of his own accord when he wasn't supposed to. Aqua was tasked with going out to keep an eye on Terra, but also to go retrieve Ventus. BUT I do agree, Kairi should definitely train under Aqua, but is going to need the experience of traveling and growing through different worlds. That's my hope for the next game. Maybe it'll track us through part of her training with Aqua, then Kairi will have her own journey to do through. One possible journey scenario is that she has to travel through the worlds and gather the next Princesses of Heart, since we were already introduced to Rapunzel, Anna, and Elsa in KH3. My guess is we will also get Moana, Merida, and Tiana. But if we don't get an ACTUAL Kairi game as our next game, I'm going to scream.

[@gameloverkai1367]

I'm just severely disappointed that she's not playable outside of the end. Like seriously. What were they thinking, excluding her in a game where she's on the cover?

[@hyperfairy7779]

They always do stuff like this it's disgusting how they've been baiting us with promises that Kairi will be useful since KH 2 and then shafting her every single time, and using the same lie to hype up every new release Kairi has a keyblade now! Can't wait for her to be useful in the next game! Kairi is traning under yen sid! Can't wait for her to be useful in the next game! Kairi is in a secret world where time doesn't flow giving her unlimited time to train with Lea under Merlin, can't wait for her to be useful in the keyblade war and the next game! Kairi will be traning under aqua, why should I beleave them Kairi will be useful when they've lied to us since KH2, they are just keeping Kiari weak so they can keep baiting us into buying future games in hopes she actually does something. For that traning to mean anything, we need a Kairi and aqua game, or at least cutscenes of them traning, not just sitting around talking

[@hyperfairy7779]

And she isn't even in the credits with everyone

[@satopika]

This is (in my opinion) a set up game for the next few titles. It sets up characters on paths that can give another KH Game: 1. Riku game in Shibuya/Quadratum 2. BBS/Kairi game (could see her training or play as Kairi during training; Maybe expand on the fact that she lacks confidence and needs to build it, as I seen that idea explored a bit on a Twitter data greeting) 3. KH4 (Obvious; but it's gonna happen probably)

[@plnkblue]

I think the issue isn't so much that she's still training; it's natural that she'd be doubtful of her abilities after the events of KH3, and I think it indicates that she partially blames herself in some way for Sora's disappearance. I also love how she asked to train with Aqua and is taking initiative in the way she learns (and since what happened with Sora shifting into her place during her dreams reminded me a lot of D-Links, but that's a thought for another day). I think the issue, at least for me personally, lies in the fact that this is yet another instance out of many in which she expresses a desire to join the fight, but is again delegated to waiting or staying behind. Riku's dismissal of her desire to go with him also makes me think that, while it's entirely plausible for what happened in KH3 to affect her self-perception, the words and actions of those around her also do not help. She'll never believe in her actions and her abilities if people keep telling her to wait and train harder, much like how Sora believes that he cannot win the day without his friends by his side, which is why "You're a whole pint by yourself, Sora" is such an important line. Additionally, there's the overarching treatment of the female characters in KH. The vast majority of them are either canonically dead, missing in action, serve as narrative fodder for the male characters' journeys, or have otherwise been shafted and sidelined by the narrative in order to make space for other characters. It's true that KH has a large cast of characters and that we can't always spend time on every single one of them, but it's also the little things that add up. tldr; i'm disappointed and will always be critical of the way nomura treats the women of kh, but i still have hope and i believe kairi has so much more to contribute to this story.

[@plnkblue]

@@kit76149 I figured the power of waking was what was required to open the portal, not necessarily what was needed to traverse through it. Especially since Riku never specified that was what she needed, and Kairi's response to it was a pretty generic "I need to train more" and not something specifically regarding the power of waking or any other ability she needed. But to be fair, the circumstances regarding the power of waking are pretty loosely defined so I can see that line being interpreted in many different ways.

[@kinoleogeo7998]

Listen, no matter how many bridge games Nomura needs to set up the next arc, we need that KH2 moment where Riku joins your party. Kairi being able to finally make up that Trio is everything I’ve hoped for every since we met the three back in 1 on that island. It was a shared dream to travel together. Sora, Riku, and Kairi as a team doing special combos together, meeting Disney and FF characters, helping solve their problems and sharing magical road trip adventures with their guardians Mickey, Donald and Goofy. That’s what I want for Kairi.

[@ArrowSlayer]

I hope both Kairi and Lea are able to continue training.

[@keikustar]

I wish they had her actually fight him and land some clever hits. If she didn't win, that'd be understandable, but having not a single one of her hits land was disappointing to watch.

[@hyperfairy7779]

I find that they had Sora literally replacing Kairi absolutely disgusting. If they wanted to show the connection between Sora and Kairi and that Kairi gets her strengh from Sora, they could of had an apperation appear behind her like when Micky was shooting that giant keyhole in KH re-mind DLC, but no, they literally robbed Kairi of a chance to develop as a charicter and face her fears head on And I'm not saying Kairi could beat Xehanort alone. In my scenario she is still relying on support from Sora, just in a much less disrespectful manner. I also think it's worth noting that while Sora did do most of the work, Kairi was able to put up a good fight in Re:mind against goat armour Xehanort, a foe stronger than any other seekers of darkness that the gaurdians of light struggled against. So she can definitely fight pretty well

[@mick3y0193]

Sora in kh1 had NO TRAINING but still managed to beat the bad guys throughout the game and ansem at the end of it. Kairi had an abundance of time to train with Lea but she’s still not good enough? That’s what’s bothering me about all of this.

[@BioRoxas]

Hmm 🤔that’s a really good point. Sora and Riku sparred with the rest of their friends on the island though so maybe that’s why he handles battle well?

[@Grinchpon]

In my opinion, sora and riku had the advantage at the beginning of kh1 because of their sword fight abilities, after that they learned some abilities to grow stronger

[@Grinchpon]

I mean, the basic moves sora does with the keyblade are the same ones he uses with his wooden sword

[@Howardpower679]

Sora had Donald and goofy and they are strong as hell and riku had mickey backup... see? they are never alone

[@kendlerkendler2667]

@@Grinchpon So riku and sora "trained" for about 10 years, and Kairi had an eternity to rain with Lea/Axel...

[@FlutterSwag]

It takes time to develop a character, super strong gurl boss doesnt make anyone happy. Shes getting stronger and so will xion and namine and maybe we will see skuld eventually

[@ManusiaKagakRusuh]

Xion should be atleast as strong as Roxas from early KHDays, but softer ... You know, since her power is literally just a copy of Sora/Roxas ... Skuld should be as strong, if not stronger, as Ventus ... atleast she's a professional Keyslinger ... I don't think Namine is mean to fight ... But she can hack and messing with everyone memories as easy as drawing on a book ... This witch is actually dangerous ... So that left only Kairi to be developed ...

[@FlutterSwag]

@@ManusiaKagakRusuh Xion is on the power of KH1 sora since that's what she was copied off of. She needs to train to get better which hopefully means she'll tag along with Kairi and aqua Skuld would actually be more powerful than Ventus because he can't use missing ache or darkness until he accepts Vanitus back inside him Namine will likely never directly fight but it'd be cool if she got a support role in some combat scenarios (maybe a summon?)

[@ManusiaKagakRusuh]

@@FlutterSwag Oh thanks for correcting me about Xion ... For Skuld, after seeing the KHX stories, I always, and still, though Skuld is stronger than Ventus, even with his Missing Ache ... But of course we're talking about Nomura, he (mostly) always make female weaker than male ... And Namine, yeah, Imagine she try to altering the memory of the bad guy or something ... That's dangerous ... But of course, we're talking about Nomura, he (mostly) always make female badly written, so I can't expect too much from him ...

[@ZZAFRETZZ]

she doesn't have the Power of Waking, which Sora and Riku got in DDD. As for how she fares in battle... even though Sora and Riku did learn on the run, back then they pretty much had no choice as when it first happened the only other Keyblade wielder that was around and had more experience than them was King Mickey... , so they were forced to learn on the spot, plus sora and riku were always being saved by Donald goofy and Mickey. Riku was saved by Mickey many times in com. And sora always had Donald and Goody's help and was saved by Mickey too. Plus the level of threat they're facing this time is far greater than before, and she is a trainee with no experience of fighting against the darkness for 9 games. Kairi trained but before the events in the Keyblade Graveyard, she never actually fought even once in a real battle (aside from smacking some Heartless in KH2). And when she does, her first battle is against Xemnas, Xion and Saix. Three opponents that are tough even for Sora. Tbh it's impressive she actually lasted long enough for being her first battles. Kairi feels helpless because even though she spent all that time training, her opponents were too much for her. She wants to help Sora, but she just isn't helpful enough. And that's something she says herself... "I need to keep training". She wants to protect Sora, but how can she when she's... just that much behind? Plus Sora is now in a situation not even Riku is sure he can resolve. So she herself comes to the conclusion that it's just best to sit this one out... Besides how would Sora feel if she died? Again? I believe she also feels responsible for what happened to him, as this happened because she let herself be captured by Xehanort. So... maybe she felt like it wasn't wise to waste her life on something she knows she can't do. Especially when bringing her back was something far from easy.

[@erugurara8235]

For me is not about representation of genre, is about chacter interest (in as i want to play as girl character, i want to play as x character) Kairi is character a has been push so much in the Kidom Hearts, yet she rarely gets a much use so it feels underuse (or just made to be the princess to be rescue in the plot) that is very tiring to see.

[@LyricBeMe]

Nomura will never let kairi be her own character. She could have fought with Sora's kingdom key and it would have just been as symbolic. I mean its cool that she's training with Aqua now, but she also was in the hyperbolic time chamber with axel and still had nothing to show for it. Nomura doesn't love his characters smh

[@hyperfairy7779]

Honestly, I find that they had Sora literally replacing Kairi absolutely disgusting. If they wanted to show the connection between Sora and Kairi and that Kairi gets her strengh from Sora, they could of had an apperation appear behind her like when Micky was shooting that giant keyhole in KH re-mind DLC, but no, they literally robbed Kairi of a chance to develop as a charicter and face her fears head on And I'm not saying Kairi could beat Xehanort alone. In my scenario she is still relying on support from Sora, just in a much less disrespectful manner. I also think it's worth noting that while Sora did do most of the work, Kairi was able to put up a good fight in Re:mind against goat armour Xehanort, a foe stronger than any other seekers of darkness that the gaurdians of light struggled against. So she can definitely fight pretty well

[@NinjaGirlSakura1]

Kairi kicked butt imo,would I have liked to face the final boss as her sure,but I can also do that in ReMind as her anytime I like. I accept her choice at the end as well,she can hopefully only get better from here.

[@zacharybronfman4001]

👍👍👍

[@Badman_012]

I think after I completed KH MoM I’ve come to the conclusion… that… this… cannot possibly have been planned from the beginning like there’s NO WAY Xehanort could’ve planned this all out it’s unimaginable it’s super complicated & it’s not 1 but 2 well thought out plans & they all hold onto 1 skill being taught to 2 people Xehanort didn’t officially meet until his recompletion (his younger self would forget meeting him & live his life as destiny laid out for him & idk how exactly the memory Of things goes for when heartless & nobody are rejoined together. I think he’d remember. But still it’s just crazy like so crazy it’s krazy or even Querazy

[@ellezim8136]

I rly don't think they should waste a WHOLE game on a game about kairi, aqua and xion. Would much rather them just continue the story with Riku in Quadratum. Maybe have KH 2022 whatever it is be a game where you switch off between Riku in Quadratum, Mickey in scala and Kairi and Aqua in a couple Disney worlds. Like frozen 2, or moana or that new Raya movie thats coming out because I think a FULL game about them would be a bit of a waste.

[@Trashley652]

Imagine if in the final fight you would phase back and forth between sora and kairi, and each their own attacks, working together as sora pops in and out.

[@MrXpierce23]

As a Kairi fan I really hope that Nomura is sitting thing up with her going to train with Aqua kind like what Kishimoto did with Sakura when she went to go train with Lady Tsunade at end of part 1 Naruto. here hope ...😅🤞🏾

[@rmunoz1994]

And just like Sakura, be useful maybe a couple of times in shippuden but completely useless for the most part...

[@ManusiaKagakRusuh]

@@rmunoz1994 I want to argue that, but last time I do that, I getting attacked by everyone and said that I simping for her ... Hatred sure make everyone blind ... So *Okay I believe you* ...

[@NicolasMendoula]

Still kishomoto doesn't know how to write a female character.

[@laststrike4411]

@@ManusiaKagakRusuh ....Wait, are you that one guy from that LongBeachGriffy video?

[@rileyduncan3927]

It’s kind of ironic that Kairi was supposed to be the main character in MoM but in the end sora gets to fight the final boss.

[@adrianXXII]

My issue with the argument that she's not strong enough to take down Xehanort, is that this isn't the real Xehanort. He's just a memory of him. It would have been more impactful, if she fought him with the Kingdom Key herself and her beating him would have symbolized her overcoming her the memory of her kidnapper and murderer. Which i'd find more satisfying.

[@yungbreezy36]

Thank goodness you don't write for these games.

[@adrianXXII]

@@yungbreezy36 right back at you

[@yungbreezy36]

@@adrianXXII I actually like how Nomura treats Kairi unlike the crybabies like yourself so I don't need to write anything lol

[@adrianXXII]

@@yungbreezy36 aw that's so cute

[@hyperfairy7779]

I get what they were going for. But Honestly, I find that they had Sora literally replacing Kairi absolutely disgusting. If they wanted to show the connection between Sora and Kairi and that Kairi gets her strengh from Sora, they could of had an apperation appear behind her like when Micky was shooting that giant keyhole in KH re-mind DLC, but no, they literally robbed Kairi of a chance to develop as a charicter and face her fears head on And I'm not saying Kairi could beat Xehanort alone. In my scenario she is still relying on support from Sora, just in a much less disrespectful manner. I also think it's worth noting that while Sora did do most of the work, Kairi was able to put up a good fight in Re:mind against goat armour Xehanort, a foe stronger than any other seekers of darkness that the gaurdians of light struggled against. So she can definitely fight pretty well

[@TheKevinKeyblade]

Makes sense the part when she was sleeping for a year and that would mean she would lose some of the experience with the keyblade, the same happened with Sora because he was also sleeping for a year, I'd love a true game only for Kairi, where she goes through the same premise of KHIII, visiting worlds to make her stronger, it would be awesome and it is a bit awkward that Mickey shows a sense of urgency for Riku and not to Aqua when she was trapped in the RoD or maybe he feels like that because he didn't want this to happen again, I'm pretty excited for the future of Kingdom Hearts

[@damonlopez2197]

I dont get why people want or think Kairi should get her own game. The only people who have ever had their "own game" were Sora (KH1 KH2 KH3) although kh3 is arguable Aqua (0.2) which is 3 hours long So the idea that Kairi should get a whole game dedicated to her doesnt make any sense to me. I also dont know why people are getting their hopes up for her so much even though no one ever promised that she'd be on the level of the other characters combat wise. She can be a cool character without being insanely strong if they just develop her more

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

Because sora is the main guy, riku had COM/DDD and has been parallel to sora, roxas/xion/axel had days and aqua/ventus/terra had bbs. She's the only main character without a game focusing on her and they have set her up like 3 times already. Also she has said she'll fight alongside the rest before and did it again here.

[@ナイトウィング]

Roxas has his own game too 358/2 days in the DS

[@SonicBadass]

In order to have relevance in an story based around fighting characters have to be an certain power level. If they aren't they end up becoming useless and can't contribute to the plot.

[@doliteair]

It hurts to see how nomura makes people view kairi, oh well in an alternate universe she's kicking butt in a full game and everyone on earth is happy

[@hyperfairy7779]

Can I play that Kingdom hearts game instead please?

[@doliteair]

@@hyperfairy7779 for 60$ lol they'll even add a cutscene for future games

[@kendlerkendler2667]

if they didn't want Kairi to beat Xehanort, then don't have her fight Xehanort. Simple. Give her a different "final boss" that's closer to her level instead of making her the constant loser It's a situation they created... but why? Why have a character, tell us she is going to be fighting with the big boys and then drag her through the mud like that?

[@kendlerkendler2667]

Not to mention that we had enough of Xehanort... the game came out on a new console as well, with perhaps the hope of attracting new fans. Wouldn't they prefer to see a new villain than play catch up with one they built up for nearly 2 decades?

[@gatst7680]

Who could he have fought tho

[@kendlerkendler2667]

@@gatst7680 I don't know. A brand new villain (kind of an out of the box thinking for KH lol)? Or pull a 0.2 and have Kairi battle an emo version of herself. Kind of lame but better in my opinion than seeing old Mansex again and nobody would deny that the victory wouldn't be justified edit: now that I have written the words "emo Kairi" there is definitely rule34 about it somewhere. Sorry.

[@hyperfairy7779]

Exactly that, give her her own final boss, Or, instead of having Sora outright replace her, you could do a better job, at least a much less disrespectful job of showcasing her bond with Sora and her power coming from Sora by having an apperation of Sora appear to fight alongside her, much like how an apperation of Sora appeared behind Micky when he was shooting that giant keyhole in Re-mind

[@yungbreezy36]

@@kendlerkendler2667 *we* Speak for yourself. Xehanort's the one carrying this story.

[@rmunoz1994]

I just want to point out how stupid it is that Kairi and Lea were training in a place where TIME IS NOT A FACTOR...and they didn't finish their training before the final battle in KH3. That's just straight up stupid.

[@hyperfairy7779]

Indeed so, I can only assume it happened because there was no master in there as well to Actually instruct them

[@Ncholasbloom]

yes have people forgotten what young xehanort did in toybox and incase anyone brings up the xemnas wrist grab his grip was tight cuz he was focused on his target not like the time when axel distracted him so mick could break free same with riku being pinned down by ansem plus his vine move as i like to call it drains energy

[@ultimamage3]

Old Man Xehanort 1v3'd the Wayfinder Trio clean in BBS, Kairi would never stand a chance against that version of Xehanort. That she held her own at all is impressive.

[@Ncholasbloom]

@@ultimamage3 yeah actually thats a very good point to plus all ven was able to do was get frozen xehanort was basically toying with them the whole time also in the moment sora showed up i believe it was there one heart connection basically kairi was sora plus its a callback to when namine saved sora from repliku and kairi saving him from ansem i thought many would catch on to the similarities but i guess not the next enemy is gonna be stronger then xehanort and kairi will be ready

[@Ncholasbloom]

@@ultimamage3 plus riku got saved by mickey 3 times in recom yet fans hate on kairi for sora saving her such hypocrisy and i will call them out on it once i reach this part i just beat ansem

[@xion0713]

I actually really liked that moment kairi got to fight a little bit i think she was being absolutely badass and i was totally impressed with how well she handled herself despite the extreme power gap between her and Xehanort

[@hyperfairy7779]

She held her own against Goat Xehanort pretty well I'm Re: mind. while Sora did do most of the work, Kairi was able to put up a good fight in Re:mind against goat armour Xehanort, a foe stronger than any other seekers of darkness that the gaurdians of light struggled against. So she can definitely fight pretty well

[@Iautocorrect]

Idc about representation. I just want MORE! More of everyone! More games. More focused stories. Just more!

[@EternalFellows]

I think when people talk about Mickey not saving Aqua sooner forget that, Mickey didn't have a consistent way to both enter and leave the Realm of Darkness, I mean yeah he can get in there when he meets the conditions but he even admits in 0.2 he never thought about how to get out so what would be the point of doing it you'd only end up with 2 lost masters instead of one. Any time in KH they've managed to get out of the Realm of Darkness before KH3, was either by outside intervention they never planned for, or in the case of KH2 with Sora and Riku sheer dumb luck.

[@supersparks25]

I’m kind of nervous for the future regarding Kairi. A part of me wants to get up and get mad that she isn’t going to help save Sora. 3 ended with her kind of being the reason Sora disappeared(though she couldn’t control that). If anything she needs to go with Riku so she can be there to help save Sora and be the first person he sees. She is saying how much she needs training but the best way to train her is to let her go on an adventure like Sora and Riku did. Not keep her in some castle where she’s constantly training. Then again another part of me says her position as a princess of heart makes it so she can’t go out on her own(though I think this would’ve been a perfect opportunity where Riku could be there to protect and guide her). I mean she put up a fight against the memory version of Xehanort, but once he summoned his keyblade she basically lost. I’m torn between my story telling side that knows the best story to save sora is to have the person he gave his life for be the one to get him back, against my realistic side saying she isn’t ready to go out on her own. However if Nomura just keeps her locked up for the entirety of this arc and not let her come at least help save sora and leave it all up to Riku I’ll probably be mad

[@TheWeeabooKid]

Honeslty I woulda have been ok with the ending. I just wish she was playable thought out world tour mode. At the end it really just makes it seem like they just put kairi on the cover as clickbait

[@hyperfairy7779]

Indeed so, and i'm.sick of that kind of thing, it's disgusting how they've been baiting us with promises that Kairi will be useful since KH 2 and then shafting her every single time, and using the same lie to hype up every new release Kairi has a keyblade now! Can't wait for her to be useful in the next game! Kairi is traning under yen sid! Can't wait for her to be useful in the next game! Kairi is in a secret world where time doesn't flow giving her unlimited time to train with Lea under Merlin, can't wait for her to be useful in the keyblade war and the next game! Kairi will be traning under aqua, why should I beleave them Kairi will be useful when they've lied to us since KH2, they are just keeping Kiari weak so they can keep baiting us into buying future games in hopes she actually does something. For that traning to mean anything, we need a Kairi and aqua game, or at least cutscenes of them traning, not just sitting around talking

[@TheWeeabooKid]

@@hyperfairy7779 its always next time, but it just feel like that time has already came.

[@hyperfairy7779]

@@TheWeeabooKid I get that entierly,

[@Mark-nh7ng]

Kairi will get her time to shine dont worry, but Axel/Lea too of course. Nobody asks about him and we know that Lea is as strong with the keyblade as Kairi. Kairi studys under Master Auqa, will Axel study under Merlin again or under something else?

[@andrewedwards8292]

omg a ffx-2 for the girls would be perfect actually

[@KrispyKrabby]

I really think the next KH game will be a game where you control Kairi and Riku. I'm almost positive about it. Doubt it'll be KH4, since we haven't really reunited with Sora yet, but I really think the next game will be rescuing Sora from Kairi and Riku's POV.

[@yungbreezy36]

It will be Riku and Yozora/Sora. Kairi will be irrelevant.

[@hyperfairy7779]

Honestly, wouldn't suprise me if we only got to control Sora trying to find his way out while Riku bumbles around in cutscenes until Sora saves him and himself

[@sokutokh3521]

I think in 2021 there will probably be a Kairi and Riku game before Kingdom Hearts 4 releases in 2022.

[@jtanimeandnerd101]

I have a feeling that the reason Kairi is still being pegged as a novice keyblade wielded is because they are building up to the completion of her training because at the end of Melody of Memory she pretty much confirmed that she didn't complete her training which explains why she wasn't as skilled with a keyblade like everyone else in Kingdom Hearts 3. Also I really want to know where Riku got her keyblade they never explain that.

[@rosebush9188]

Your doing fine Bio. I gave you a like on this video for your bravery. It's hard to talk about Kirie without getting a lot of negative feedback from both sides. Just know we are here for you :3

[@StarseekerAtlas]

I am very excited to see what the future brings with the cast. It seems like everyone has a role to play in the next game. And there seems to be a lot of pairs. Sora-Riku, Kairi-Aqua, Terra-Ventus. Not really sure where the Twilight gang is, but hopefully they can be made use of, as well. It kinda' feels like Nomura wants to do a soft reset of the franchise. Not necessarily discrediting what happened before, but this new "reality" gives the series a lot of room for new lore and world building.

[@yungbreezy36]

Only Sora and Riku will matter next game. The others will get nothing more than cameos and little appearances at best.

[@StarseekerAtlas]

@@yungbreezy36 Only time will tell. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@DavidHutchinson0713]

Everybody keeps comparing Kairi vs Xehanort with Sora vs Ansem SOD. Truthfully.... I feel like that's a bad comparison. Ansem is strong, yes, but he's only recently had an actual form and body at the time, and I think he prefers to have the Dark Figure fight for him over directly dirtying his hands, anyway. Master Xehanort, meanwhile, is an actual Keyblade Master, with decades of experience. Terra-Xehanort, the No Heart battle in BBS Final Mix, and the battles against Young Xehanort are testaments of just how strong Xehanort can be at his prime (in short, way over Ansem and Xemnas), and the old man himself is no slouch either, as his data battle (which represents his actual final battle with Sora and co. is like) shows. I mean, old 'Nort held Ventus by the head no problem. If you tell me that Kairi, who's at best an intermediate-class fighter who (unlike Sora and Riku) had never held a wooden sword before getting the Keyblade, was supposed to win, that would heavily break my personal suspension of disbelief. The Replica Xehanorts are a step up from the likes of Ansem and Xemnas, but she had Sora to help her back then. I get the feeling that Nomura at the very least knew that fans are taking issues, but wanted to do the development at a gradual pace. I mean, it worked with Riku; I see no reason why he wouldn't think it'd work again with Kairi.

[@hyperfairy7779]

I don't think Sora and Riku's use of wooden swords gives them that much of an edge over Kairi, yeah, they have some self taught swordplay skills, but that's it, and neither of them are masters traning one another, And wooden sword use certinatly doesn't grant them any edge when it comes to learning magic and, debatabley, special moves

[@MDKGunner]

I'm curious to see what Kairi would learn from Aqua perhaps as a Princess of Heart she has a Gohan level of untapped potential as a mage of course that's all up to Nomura it would be nice to see a team made up of Kairi, Xion and Namine going around different worlds etc... looking for ways to prepare and possibly help out Riku with his rescue

[@teodoris7880]

(SPOILER WARNING FOR KH3 REMIND) It was mentioned that there is a price for improperly use the Power of Waking for too often, right? Chirithy said the price the Sora paid is his strength and existence for saving Kairi. In the secret episode, it's true that Sora vanished to the Final World. However, when the battle against Yozora begins, it's revealed that his stats are the same from before he paid the price. Which makes me wonder... How exactly does the Power of Waking works? Why Sora only lost his existence and not his powers? Was Sora didn't gave up his powers yet?

[@13thNobodyprod.]

I'd say not his own strength, but the Power of Waking was taken away for abusing it.

[@kazan6459]

Ok umm I'm extremely confused..... Was the fight between Kairi Sora and Xehonorts armour in ReMind not canon? Did it not happen?? Like when he had all 13 keyblades and raining giant meteors and Kairi not only didn't die, but was fine at the end of the fight??? Were we to assume she did nothing and Sora completely defended her and did all the damage the entire fight? Everyone here, and the existence of this video is acting like that never happened. Do I have false memories?

[@hyperfairy7779]

Exactly, I'm pretty sure that fight was real and Canon, Yes, Sora did do most of the work, Kairi was able to put up a good fight in Re:mind against goat armour Xehanort, a foe stronger than any other seekers of darkness that the gaurdians of light struggled against. So she can definitely fight pretty well

[@Mario_KHX]

@@hyperfairy7779 Both of you are right, but there's a problem. They can't include anything related to Re:Mind because that's optional content and people could riot if it were included. The most they can do is continue the series like they always did, ignoring most of the Final Mix content. Also, Goatnort and rest of seekers were remnants (at least in Re:Mind), like Vanitas Remnant from BBS or Absent Silhouettes from KH2. So I don't think that this fight is the best example to measure Kairi's power (gameplay wise, the remnants are powerful as fuck, but lore wise they're still remnants).

[@Ncholasbloom]

@@hyperfairy7779 yes it is canon that fight did happen

[@laurensmith4456]

Yeah, it is a clumsy writing move to have Kairi able to beat Xehanort in one scenario but not the other. However, I can see why Kairi’s unable to defeat him in the memory realm. It reflects her insecurity about her strength. I mean, she was taken by Xemnas and had her heart shattered in KH3 alone. (I can see the KH team’s reasoning behind this, and I like that aspect, but it was a bit poorly executed).

[@joshz2491]

I see the Sora appearance differently than most people. I don’t see it as “Sora replaced Kairi” I see it as explicit confirmation that the magic of the Paupu works while also reinforcing that their hearts have truly joined together. Their team attack is called “one heart” for crying out loud. That moment confirms these ideas outright. They will always help each other and Sora is the series overall main protagonist I think that is the only reason we see a literal transition from Kairi to Sora. I took it to mean she was fighting with him getting resolve from his heart. If it was just Sora rescuing her showing the moment as we ultimately see it would have been pointless. Let’s break it down. 1. Kairi is shown holding kingdom key-remember we are inside Kairi’s heart/memories. That is Sora’s keyblade, it clearly shows she is calling out to him. 2. They go through the trouble of timing the transition as Kairi stands up clearly resolved to fight again. 3. Winning frees part of Kairi’s heart and Sora glows and disappears meaning that there hearts are connected even though Kairi and Sora are now separated by realities. Upset people just need to calm down, especially people saying that she should have charged off with Riku, she is smart and knows that she needs to become stronger that’s a girl who wants to make sure she becomes a skilled keyblade wielder and that takes time and proper training so she chooses to stay behind and learn from Aqua who she clearly respects. I want Kairi to be badass with a keyblade too but I always want it to make narrative sense and they have been working towards that since kh3.

[@Ncholasbloom]

yes they are one remember on day 6 roxs was almost restored and he trnsitioned into sora

[@hyperfairy7779]

I'm sorry, bit they could of symbolised the connection to Sora a Lot Better, I find that they had Sora literally replacing Kairi absolutely disgusting. If they wanted to show the connection between Sora and Kairi and that Kairi gets her strengh from Sora, they could of had an apperation appear behind her like when Micky was shooting that giant keyhole in KH re-mind DLC, but no, they literally robbed Kairi of a chance to develop as a charicter and face her fears head on And I'm not saying Kairi could beat Xehanort alone. In my scenario she is still relying on support from Sora, just in a much less disrespectful manner. I also think it's worth noting that while Sora did do most of the work, Kairi was able to put up a good fight in Re:mind against goat armour Xehanort, a foe stronger than any other seekers of darkness that the gaurdians of light struggled against. So she can definitely fight pretty well

[@Ncholasbloom]

@@hyperfairy7779 dude ive sen you post the exact same comment we get it you wanted there connection to be presented differently but for others like myself i was fine with how sora came to be besides this game is just the setting up point thats why it mostly felt like a recap

[@ultimamage3]

@@Ncholasbloom Eh, don't pay attention to Hyperfairy, they copypaste the exact same comment everywhere about "disgusting" replacement without even changing their mind or actually reading what other people are saying.

[@Ncholasbloom]

@@ultimamage3 i know and someone brought up something i forgot the wayfinder trio put everything they had into stopping xehanort but in the end it didn't stop him plus ven only managed to get frozn by the old man atleast kairi put cracks in his replica brfore freeing the guardians to finish him off plus we technically were kairi facing xehanort they are one heart two halves that make a greater whole

[@Oathkeeper1992]

Just to add some positivity about what was good in the ending of MoM, Kairi's combat in the cutscene was wonderful!! It was great that they showed the diversity of her combat abilities by showing her not only swinging around the Keyblade, but also casting Firaga and using her Seven Princesses attack (at least the beginning of it). Also, the fact that she may be one of the only characters in the series to have understood that you can let go of the Keyblade when your foe has hold of it and rematerialize it once you've gotten away means that she is already much smarter and stronger in her combat development than other characters were at her stage of training/combat ability. Also, to go back to ReMind, she is strong enough to have the full set of -aga magic and an Ultima Weapon level shotlock. So if we're going for the optimistic lens here, I am hopeful that we are going to see an awesome development for her (better be in the form of the next full game in 2022).

[@Oathkeeper1992]

I think myself, along with a huge portion of the KH community are getting a little tired of the fact that Kairi hasn't had the chance to grow, and even though I feel like it's coming later than it should have, we're just at the start of her growth. I mean, if we think to the end of ReMind, in Riku and Terra's brief conversation, Terra mentions that Riku has come to a point where Terra has nothing left to teach him...and Riku became a Keyblade master technically before Terra did (not sure whether Terra is classified now as a Keyblade master or not). So even Riku seems to have needed more training under Terra after the end of ReMind. But if the next installment in 2022 is not a Kairi centered game, I'm going to scream. If MoM is supposed to set us up for what's next with this beginning to focus on Kairi, then we better get that. Also, any further involvement of Aqua, Xion, and Namine would be greatly appreciated, especially involving them in combat situations. I would love to play as any one of those characters...but it's time. We need the women in this franchise to get their well-deserved time as the focus in this series. They have so much to offer...clearly.

[@rikuapologist]

tbh, i personally think the bigger thing here is just kairi's character writing? i wish they hadn't had kairi be left behind again, and that the final fight had been playing as her, but in terms of how kairi is written and voice-acted, i think she was handled MILES better than she has been for YEARS even in so few scenes in kh:mom like, kh3's treatment of kairi irked me a lot not only because she was turned into a damsel in distress again and not given a chance to shine as a warrior (somewhat fixed in re:mind), but because she was written in such a way where she wasn't allowed to express many opinions, thoughts, or even much personality at all (not really fixed at all in re:mind), and despite being a talented voice actress it seems like alyson stoner was directed to make her sound soft-spoken to the point of feeling. flat. and when you compare kh3 kairi to how much strong personality kh1 kairi had...........it's stark. it felt more like they were prioritising treating kairi as a convenient love interest over treating kairi as a character (which as a female fan. does feel like. Bad Representation rip) so even though i have some criticisms of how kairi was handled in kh:mom, overall i am just THRILLED that kairi got to emote, get angry, and fight. alyson's performance was so much stronger this time around (and so was david gallagher's in comparison to kh3, actually, so i really think it was an issue with the actual voice direction in kh3 and not the VAs themselves), and we FINALLY get a sense that kairi has some anger and frustration over the way she's been denied agency in her own life? it's not an awful lot, ngl, but it at least gives me hope that kairi will be treated better by the writers going forward! but that's just my opinion lmao

[@untoucheddiguise]

Look I don’t expect Kairi to go from 0 to 1000 in the blink of an eye. But would it really had been so hard to have her be played for the boss fight and then cut to the scene where she loses and Sora comes in? As for not being able to hold her own in a fight against Xehanort I refer you to the final boss of the re:mind dlc where she wrecked him, and even the cutscene right before the boss where she manages multiple times to get the jump on him. Kairi lacks experience, not skill.

[@somebodystopme3822]

Lets be real they have always damseled and underpowered her. Sora at 14 with no training just picked up a key and went on a universe wide journey, defeating powerful villains and eventually saving the universe. Every other character gets launched into action. Kairi was kept on the sidelines for years for no reason. Then they actually finally have her do something and it’s train train train and yet still be written as useless. She literally got sent to a world where time moved differently so that she’d have plenty of time to train for the final battle (something we never saw with Sora and other characters cause they don’t need to jump through hoops to be active protagonists. They just get to) and yet after that she’s still sidelined and made feeble and told to train even more. It’s so unbelievably stupid. Then again the world may implode if KH has more than one living, happy and powerful female character at a time.

[@laststrike4411]

Late, but 1) Sora is actually a rather heavy exception to the rule with his development as a fighter. Even then, however, the kids you could fight with on the Islands were all peak human to superhuman to begin with. Further more, he also had access to several places for training (Merlin's house for magic and Olympus for his skills as a fighter). Then of course there are his friends who are helping him out. Donald, the princesses of heart, and Genie give you magic. Goofy, Cloud, Yuffie, and others give him abilities. Of course, he's learning as he goes, with abilities like Ars Arcanum simply being inspired by his foes, and advanced magic getting buffs after facing the superbosses, but for the most part he grows as fast as he does thanks to the connections he's made. With that said, let's take a look at the others. COM is the game that inverts this with Sora growing more and more callous/angry, and as such is one of the few games that has him coming dangerously close to being defeated. Riku has comparatively quick progression similar to Sora, but that wasn't strength gained from much in the way of training. He just kept getting power wanks from Maleficent and Ansem till the end of I. Then from COM, he got *another* power-up from Ansem in the form of his Dark Mode ability/Darkness sniffing. During Days is when we see him developing his skills mostly on his own, although he does have Mickey helping him along (the same thing happened with Sora in 1, now that I think about it). Then he grew even stronger in 2 with the reaffirming of his old bonds as well as his new ones. And then he went on a whole adventure meeting new people, and got stronger again. Then we have Roxas and Xion. In about a year or so of constant combat against heartless, Xion's base form peaked with her fight against Axel. That puts her somewhere a bit below COM Sora. Her near featless final form gets defeated by a Roxas that hasn't reached his full potential. Roxas himself peaks around a self-gimped Riku's level and got utterly decimated by his Ansem form. The Wayfinder trio all had at least a few years of training under their belt before the story even starts, and they're still kinda trash until they head out to make connections to grow stronger. All the same, because of their unresolved issues, they still failed. 2) KH1: Saves Sora from getting killed by Riku-Ansem, motivates him as a spirit when he begins to give up on himself, returns him to his normal form after becoming a heartless, and gives him a new Keyblade. KH2: Meets up with the Twilight trio and gets them invested in the story (you know, the people that found TWTNW?), finds Riku and restores the Destiny Trio, eases the burden of the heartless off of Sora's shoulders with the rest, saves Mickey from getting himself blasted to the Realm of Darkness, opens a pathway to TWTNW with Namine, and gets Sora and Riku back from the RoD. KH3+ReMIND: Saves the team from complete loss with her powers, holds off Xion long enough for the cavalry to arrive, fights back Xemnas before getting trapped in his drain attack, and defeats Goatnort with Sora. MoM: Locates Sora in unreality. I want Kairi to become a better fighter too, but there's no reason to be a shounentard about it.

[@faedwill6853]

What I don't understand is how Sora had any power to help Kairi. Chirithy stated that for breaking a nature taboo, Sora would lose his power as penalty. With that said, how is he able to assist this time when he should have been stripped of his abilities?

[@Sjono]

Where’s Namine’s Keyblade?

[@zacharybronfman4001]

I’m really happy that Kairi decided to be trained by Aqua! Just hoping she will be playable and have a bigger role in the future

[@snobbuu]

I personally think they shouldve shown more of the training between axel and kairi in KH3. If they did we wouldve porbably gotten a better idea of how good she actually is at using the keyblade. Now you just have to assume how good she is, same for Axel but then again he already has experience in battle.

[@hyperfairy7779]

I hope they should more of Kairi's traning with Aqua, otherwise I have no reason to beleave it will amount to anything

[@omegagoober513]

Real talk though, can we talk about the detail on Xehanort's eyes?

[@samj1027]

i mean she held her own in her playable fight in remind so i don’t know why she wasn’t ready

[@hyperfairy7779]

Indeed so, plus she held her own against goat nort pretty well in remind. I find that they had Sora literally replacing Kairi absolutely disgusting. If they wanted to show the connection between Sora and Kairi and that Kairi gets her strengh from Sora, they could of had an apperation appear behind her like when Micky was shooting that giant keyhole in KH re-mind DLC, but no, they literally robbed Kairi of a chance to develop as a charicter and face her fears head on And I'm not saying Kairi could beat Xehanort alone. In my scenario she is still relying on support from Sora, just in a much less disrespectful manner. I also think it's worth noting that while Sora did do most of the work, Kairi was able to put up a good fight in Re:mind against goat armour Xehanort, a foe stronger than any other seekers of darkness that the gaurdians of light struggled against. So she can definitely fight pretty well

[@geancarlosegarra3193]

I don’t think the problem is that we didn’t play as her cause yeah she aint beating xehanort that’s obvious, it’s more that she gets benched again at the end when she wants to go with riku to find sora. I mean yeah it’s cool that at least she’s training with aqua now but still

[@hyperfairy7779]

Indeed so, But Honestly, I find that they had Sora literally replacing Kairi absolutely disgusting. If they wanted to show the connection between Sora and Kairi and that Kairi gets her strengh from Sora, they could of had an apperation appear behind her like when Micky was shooting that giant keyhole in KH re-mind DLC, but no, they literally robbed Kairi of a chance to develop as a charicter and face her fears head on And I'm not saying Kairi could beat Xehanort alone. In my scenario she is still relying on support from Sora, just in a much less disrespectful manner. I also think it's worth noting that while Sora did do most of the work, Kairi was able to put up a good fight in Re:mind against goat armour Xehanort, a foe stronger than any other seekers of darkness that the gaurdians of light struggled against. So she can definitely fight pretty well

[@geancarlosegarra3193]

@@hyperfairy7779 oh yeah they definitely did her dirty😂. It didn’t bother me THAT much as her getting benched but they could have done that xehanort scenario waayyyy better. Besides if everything is just inside her head then it wouldn’t be beating the real xehanort but her surpassing herself, idk im just rambling😂

[@hyperfairy7779]

@@geancarlosegarra3193 Indeed so, you make some good points though

[@2005zhane]

Terra, Aqua, and Ventus, to say the least, all had at least Master Eraqus for some level of training. Sora and Riku really only had the amount of training that they had, when they competed against each other on Destiny Islands, with what happened from KH1 onward, really being them applied what little they knew, and forced to improve from there, with no true training with the Keyblade specifically. Lea has combat experienced, but to a lesser extent with a Keyblade, but has shown adept enough to really use it efficiently enough. Kairi, really has minimal of both. Most of the others, with the only arguable one being Lea, have someone there with them to some degree, during what's going on, while Kairi doesn't in this game, by her side in combat. You definitely see Kairi growing, albeit a snail's pace, when we see at the end of MoM, that she wanted to go with Riku to Quadratum, but realized that she would be more of a liability, and knew that she needed more training, via with Aqua. Something I'm glad that Square Enix did, as opposed to most cases of the series, where it's just someone running off to do something at the drop of a hat, rather than simply 'follow your heart', where I feel Kairi would have paid a bigger price had she not taken a step back and thought about that. But to keep it my comment from dragging on, here's hoping that Kairi's growth in the future is done right.

[@Dirandra1506]

I can't imagine how relieve Yen Sid was when Kairi said she wanted to train under Aqua, finally, you are off my back!

[@NekkoBlue]

I think we kinda jumped the gun to expect that Kairi was going to be playable at all, since Square Enix never explicitly confirmed that she was going to be over the months leading up to release. The only real clue we had was with that KH3 Kairi in the KH2 engine that we got a week or two ago, which wouldn’t have been a stretch to think they made it for promotional purposes only. I was honestly thinking she might’ve been on the front of the cover because she’s narrating everything we know about the story so far, sort of technically still making it “her game” by doing so. Either way, I’m glad we got a good amount of Kairi development here and I’m really holding out for a game where we can actually play her as the main character. That’d really make all this build-up worth it!

[@hyperfairy7779]

I hope so Too Honestly, I find that they had Sora literally replacing Kairi absolutely disgusting. If they wanted to show the connection between Sora and Kairi and that Kairi gets her strengh from Sora, they could of had an apperation appear behind her like when Micky was shooting that giant keyhole in KH re-mind DLC, but no, they literally robbed Kairi of a chance to develop as a charicter and face her fears head on And I'm not saying Kairi could beat Xehanort alone. In my scenario she is still relying on support from Sora, just in a much less disrespectful manner. I also think it's worth noting that while Sora did do most of the work, Kairi was able to put up a good fight in Re:mind against goat armour Xehanort, a foe stronger than any other seekers of darkness that the gaurdians of light struggled against. So she can definitely fight pretty well

[@jeskerjames2938]

The entire time Riku was discouraging Kairi from going with him to Quadratum, I was shouting "NO NO NO NO NO!!!" And then when Kairi agreed to stay behind I was like "Noooo..F@CK!!!"

[@Fast_Iain]

The strength difference between Kairi and Sora really shows here. She couldn't touch Xehanort at all. Meanwhile Sora could solo him as well as other nobodies and heartless an he really never had training he just went with the flow.

[@lazakporock]

Sora was just vibing during that fights

[@hyperfairy7779]

Indeed so, But Honestly, I find that they had Sora literally replacing Kairi absolutely disgusting. If they wanted to show the connection between Sora and Kairi and that Kairi gets her strengh from Sora, they could of had an apperation appear behind her like when Micky was shooting that giant keyhole in KH re-mind DLC, but no, they literally robbed Kairi of a chance to develop as a charicter and face her fears head on And I'm not saying Kairi could beat Xehanort alone. In my scenario she is still relying on support from Sora, just in a much less disrespectful manner. I also think it's worth noting that while Sora did do most of the work, Kairi was able to put up a good fight in Re:mind against goat armour Xehanort, a foe stronger than any other seekers of darkness that the gaurdians of light struggled against. So she can definitely fight pretty well

[@wettymeister]

what i dont get is if this fight takes part before or after the remind fight besides sora? kairi was kicking ass then so why didn't she kick ass now?

[@stevenhiggins3055]

Imagine if we finally got an actual ARPG with Kairi as the main playable character, only for it to end with her passing on her role as a Princess of Heart

[@jasondavis2381]

Kairi's journey so far is pitiful, and that's just really sad.

[@erissonsantos1629]

Kairi is definitely getting better, Imean even Master Xehanort recognizes her as a formidable Keyblade wielder, and like everybody else, she's growing little by little, like Terra, Riku, Sora, etc.

[@mostcreative3680]

Honestly at this point in the series im over Kairi. Im sure eventually they will flesh her out into being a much more independent character but im done waiting for that. Been a KH fan since day one so close to two decades of damsel in distress Kairi kind of has put me off to her character. I am genuinely frustrated by the lack of Namine in this game though. Namine has so much potential as a character but she is the most shelved character out of the whole roster. Her power is literally the ability to read hearts and manipulate the chains of memories. She can even trace hearts that are connected. Yeah Sora is in “unreality” or whatever but hes clearly still connected to Kairi since he manifested in her dream. So why didnt they write in Namine as a guide for Kairi or have the whole game be about Namine navigating the connections between all of the characters hearts?

[@Patricwithnok]

Good video. Agree completely. The women in the series deserve better. Thanks for acknowledging other viewpoints than your perspective.

[@Xander0826]

I can see how people would be upset about Kairi but I really appreciate her willingly taking a step back and saying no, I want to get stronger. Its far better than her going to Quadratam as she is and the same thing that happened in kh3 happens there. And training under Aqua is a great step for her. While the Sora thing was iffy it was still a fantastic way to show that they're still connected, and give us a little bit of insight on where he is and how he's doing.

[@hyperfairy7779]

I get what they were going for with the Sora thing, but I find that they had Sora literally replacing Kairi absolutely disgusting. If they wanted to show the connection between Sora and Kairi and that Kairi gets her strengh from Sora, they could of had an apperation appear behind her like when Micky was shooting that giant keyhole in KH re-mind DLC, but no, they literally robbed Kairi of a chance to develop as a charicter and face her fears head on And I'm not saying Kairi could beat Xehanort alone. In my scenario she is still relying on support from Sora, just in a much less disrespectful manner.

[@Xander0826]

@@hyperfairy7779 Yeah I feel like they could have shown it a little better. Heck they could've just made a team of 2 and had Sora in the background while Kairi led the team.

[@hyperfairy7779]

@@Xander0826 yep, Part of me wants a destiny trio team though, Sora, Riku and Kairi

[@remarkablezeal9568]

All things considered, I'm disappointed that Kairi wasn't playable more often in Re:Mind. Imagine how replayable Re:Mind would be if Kairi was in Sora's place refacing the Organization (disregarding story reasons).

[@hyperfairy7779]

That would of been a nice bonus for the fans, as would using any gaurdian of light in any world but no, no fanservice, EVERYTHING must be canon, I'm sure even Sora's shoe size will be very important later and the secret to defeating the Master of masters

[@Diamond_Dust2.0]

WAIT AHES TRAINING WITH AQUA!?