Let's Talk About Undisputed AND Past Boxing Titles!

[@im_cold_blooded]

Forgot to mention in the video, this was the primary patch note that EA did to fix the lateral movement issue in FNC. This same fix, IMO, would work wonders in Undisputed. Notice the first line; in FNC you only move laterally full speed with the guard down. That's huge. That would be a very good fix IMO. Locomotion Updates - Boxers can now move forwards with their guard up as fast as opponents can move backwards with their guard down Movement speed near the ropes or corners is affected. Makes it more difficult to consistently run throughout the course of a fight.

[@im_cold_blooded]

Time Stamps. I RANTED a LOT. Harped on previous fight nights far longer than I intended to. Apologize in advance. This isn't my usual type of video; but hopefully the VERY FEW Ideas that I did present make sense AND hopefully in the midst of my rant, some light was shed on the state of some of our favorite boxing games; because I do feel as though we romanticize about them a lot and forget the state they were in, initially. I remember them vividly. That is in no way an excuse for SCI, however. They've literally taken multiple steps backwards at this point. Broken things aside, there were literally ideas that worked well in practice during the EA that were scrapped from the current build. The errors in their development seem so vast that you have to question if they are even capable of adding some of the features they previously had without completely crippling the game. That's a wild thought. 00:00 Intro/Rant 3:40 Meat & Potatoes (To save yaw the trouble). 7:00 Six Axis Blocking 8:40 Idea for Six Axis Blocking to work 10:43 SPAMMING IS AN ISSUE 11:16 History Of Spamming (RANT!) 17:35 Solution For Spamming? (RANT) 20:20 FINALLY, A Solution. 21:30 MOVEMENT & SCI's incompetence (RANT!) 23:05 FNC History and Patches. 25:35 FNC Title Updates BROKE THE GAME 31:01 FINALLY, The Solution. 32:41 SCI Must Be Held Accountable.

[@huntingwolf20]

We need your ideas to get to Undisputed. Pretty sure, and you may not remember (I'm only a KZbin watcher, not a creator at all). But years ago you and I were in forums and discussing changes to FN Champion. I was in the corner, at that time of making an all in one blocking system. I know you were dead set against that type of blocking and in the end you were way right on that point. It made Champion much too simple of a game. But I've really respected your insight ever since, and especially with your real life in ring knowledge. I just think a game company, especially one with at least a solid gaming engine (at one time), could use your input as a guy who does it, or has done it, in ring, as well as a gamer who actually really analyzes shit and gets in there and takes a scientific approach. This is the input these guys need. Anyways, I hope they can see this, because these ideas would without a doubt change the current game for the better. I would still like a parry system, and I would like a pivot system as well. I've found a boxing game that has pivots, it's just low graphically. But it is really cool to see the young man that has developed that game, all by himself, with no previous experience. If he can make a pivot system that functions without getting your fighters all out of sorts in crazy positions, surely a bigger crew of developers could implement that in a future game.

[@tehrellangley1400]

Man your level of detail is admirable frfr. I know most of this information was stated before but the receipts you kept made this a true authentic critique of the game. To me this is all they need to fix the game and should be shared consistently when they ask for feedback

[@Tysoncage21]

Thanks mate when u said about the block and stamina hope steel city see this video,

[@bigdrakoshow9638]

i agree with alot of what you said. and the history was refreshing to hear. 1 easy fix bro- tax more and power punches thrown in combos. tax more on power combos thrown with the same hand. and a stamina drain for the people who rotate in a circle non stop.

[@huntingwolf20]

Blocking spot on the same thing I said on the FB group. Great content as usual.

[@brendentrobough5744]

I was the Ray Leonard you fought at beginning of the video. I remember fighting you in the play test. GGs, my first fight on the play test, and I was like shit, this dude is different cuz Im 650-200 in xbox and you took me to work. Your defense had me tweaking. Good fight, def took some learning experience away from our fight. Ill see you out there. Had no idea it was you until I switched this video on and I was like wait this fight looks awful familiar lol

[@im_cold_blooded]

Are you ThrillaButVanilla or something along those lines? If so, I played you on both of my accounts. (You were Calzaghe the second time, I was on realistic fight plz). The audio is muted for the first 3 rounds, because I was originally recording audio during the fight and then my mic died in the third - so i figured i'd use that fight. In it, you just hear me talking about how good you are for 3 rounds LOL! Add me xbox, bro. (im cold blooded). We need to get more rounds in!

[@BURRYB]

you are who the community should be listening to, lot of facts dropped in this video.

[@jamestattersall1364]

respect bro. No game is ever going to be perfect, we have to just work with what we got and give feedback best we can. Doesnt help that alot of gamers online are so whiny (the negative videos always pull more views than the postive on KZbin, not just Undisputed you see the same with COD/FIFA etc) so it must be hard for devs to filter through that to get to the constructive feedback. With that being said I think the game needs better ways to avoid punches - the slips/weaves/ducks dont really work so your only option when fighting a power punch spammer is to block (but you will still take damage) or use your feet to get in and out, but neither leave you the opportunity to counter back in a way that is going to hurt your opponent. Throwing a power puch should leave you vunerable, it needs to be a high risk, high reward type of thing when it isnt in the current state.

[@Dop3stDopamin33ffct]

Steel city interactive needs to hire you.. you seem to understand the game mechanics better than others..

[@mickmack3759]

100% He knows the game inside and out, plus that boxing experience would be key to the dev team

[@rickyhits6547]

ImColdBlooded is, by far, the most helpful Undisputed content creator. A lot of the streamers on here are toxic af in game. I blocked a few of them.

[@im_cold_blooded]

@@rickyhits6547 the other streamers are just as helpful if not more, brother. Everyone just has a different approach. But trust, you will learn a tremendous deal from everyone! I’m a huge fan of them all. ✊🏾 Appreciate you, bro.

[@rickyhits6547]

Not all, but some like to talk ish. I'm not about all the negativity.

[@rickyhits6547]

...and none have ever offered advice in game, as you have. I don't expect them to, but I also don't expect them to talk trash in my messages.

[@im_cold_blooded]

@ well if it helps, I’ll be streaming today in the afternoon. Hopefully can get everyone who joins in a party or discord and we have some fun fights. 💪🏾. First time streaming in a while and I’ve been wanting to do it more frequently.

[@emilacevedo1562]

By faaaaar

[@huntingwolf20]

ICB, are you talking to Steel City at all in any of the Discord or anything? These ideas need to get to those guys, ASAP.

[@im_cold_blooded]

@@huntingwolf20 I haven’t brother, im not active on the discord. Should I be?

[@huntingwolf20]

@@im_cold_blooded Well...let me check. I haven't been myself but I thought someone said that is how the devs communicated. However they may not be communicating with anyone. They may be on Twitch but I'm not very familiar with that format. I just checked Operation Sports, and they had some decent discussions on this game.

[@BOXING_LOUNGE]

11:59 FYI Cold Blooded, I can land volleyball combo 'hayemakers' in Fight Night Round 3, it takes elite right stick control and timing tho.

[@im_cold_blooded]

@@BOXING_LOUNGE I was mainly speaking on what the games online situation looked like on average. FisticuffKing was one of very few people who could keep you rattled in Heymakers as well but it wasn’t something you’d encounter frequently.

[@MASHAFFILIATEDPZ]

They need to go back to the original idea of having a sim mode and an arcade mode. That will appease both sets of fans and simply have two different teams working on those aspects if possible. You need pivoting, head movement, slips, adrenaline system and vulnerability in the sim mode and they initially had that with ESBC so they can definitely do that (adrenaline system). They also had manual blocking too and you could choose if you wanted manual or auto. They had the perfect concept and just blew it all up for the most high knows what reason smh

[@im_cold_blooded]

I remember the manual blocking in early access in their simulation mode and I honestly believe with the right steps, it could be implemented for casuals as well. They just have to want to put forth the effort and stop catering to what is honestly the smaller demographic. The loudest people in the room are folks who wanted a die-hards boxing game. I don't see too many guys who clamored for an arcade-ish product. The initial intrigue behind the game was it's realism in the first place. That should have been all of the anecdotal evidence they needed. LOL.

[@MASHAFFILIATEDPZ]

@im_cold_blooded yeah that's a fact I agree but the best way to make money is to appeal to the kids/youth so having the arcade aspect it gives them the chance to make their money same way, have to accept that the youth are the masses and in today's world that's how games make their money. The games we were raised on aren't doing well but trust me I totally agree I just also see the necessity for the business side of things

[@im_cold_blooded]

@@MASHAFFILIATEDPZ The business side is the side I hate. LOL. You're definitely right, though.

[@AlmightyFO]

Facts . I think they trying too hard to not be like EA but they might as well have that in the game. They also need that fight night info how they showed the quitting % of your opponent before you fight so you’ll kno if they’ll just waste ya time

[@t-berry9524]

Good video thanks for the info about fnc!

[@PickHuey]

This video is full of game! I throughly enjoyed the insight you provided across previous fight nights titles as well as the issues going on right now in undisputed!

[@ricarldoharris6037]

My guy havent seen the video yet buy im here to support... it was all good just a week ago

[@im_cold_blooded]

Appreciate you, bro! It legit turned into a rant, QUICK, but hopefully it's received well.

[@lavzorvic4129]

Hi sir! I hope to see more often your videos in the future, because I enjoy them a lot. You made me a much better player.! Thank you!

[@rickyhits6547]

Blocking while moving your head is important to dodge punches. It took me a lot of fights to realize that utilizing them separately isn't as effective.

[@im_cold_blooded]

It's a massive part, and it's the primary aspect of the block that I noticed was changed in the Playtest build. It's what I was attempting to do when Power Punch spamming was heavy, to block power punches; but everything kept going through. They definitely fixed it in this playtest. But the game has too many other issues around movement, the rate at which people throw shots, etc, to ask people to rely on stationary blocking mechanics, right now. But for what it's worth - they DID fix the directional blocks while leaning. 100%. It was the first thing I tested.

[@emilacevedo1562]

I agree man the catch and shoot needs to come back for sure

[@be28ans]

Its frustrating being hyped for a unfinished $70 game. They had to know this game was not finished.

[@im_cold_blooded]

100 % Bro. But we deal the cards we're dealt. I just hope they didn't rob us. They don't communicate with us as often as they use to and they seem out of touch with the community. They do things we haven't been asking for.

[@be28ans]

@im_cold_blooded yea scary feeling man, I will never pre order a game again ill tell u that much 🤣

[@im_cold_blooded]

@@be28ans FACTS! LOL!

[@mightyJudah]

If the game taxed missed power punches with the first update we would of been in a much better state. This game needs a new game engine

[@BillySmith-np5zn]

The straight power punches should be made to do way more damage than they do now. And they barely connect. And why can I spam 4 hooks on the same side? And the head movement should be patched to let you lean farther down side to side.

[@im_cold_blooded]

They had arm fatigue at one point to limit the spam. Yet another thing they got rid of LOL!. It's rough, bro! But fingers crossed!

[@BillySmith-np5zn]

@ I had a game I was losing in the last round and I had Roy Jones with barely any stamina left and I threw 2 power left hooks and ko’d the guy and won the fight. I wish they had more flash ko’s too I’ve only done it 1 time online.

[@im_cold_blooded]

@ I've gotten quite a few. I won't lie - if you grab a southpaw fighter you'll see a LOT more flash KO's with the regular left hand. That's where I've seen them the most. (Martinez, Calzaghe, Usyk, etc.). Martinez more than others.

[@plo617]

Fight Night 2004, Round 2 and Round 3 were developed by the same team, but I think Round 4 and Champions was a different team. Or, at the very least, had a different development lead. The first three had that guy with the shades. Round 4 and Champions had Brian Haze aka Brizzo.

[@im_cold_blooded]

@@plo617 Kudo Tsunoda was the GM of the studio behind 04 up until FNR3. If I remember correctly, he had minimum involvement with EA as early as knockout kings. The studio closed in 07, but a lot of that team was still a part of Round 4 efforts. Kudo was the dude with the shades. Damn you brought me back! LOL! Forgot about him.

[@plo617]

@im_cold_blooded Yeah, I did remember how his last name was pronounced, I just forgot how to spell it. I also remember how animated he always was during his interviews. He was a character. I wish they could make a collection of all of the Fight Night games in one game.

[@im_cold_blooded]

@@plo617 I just googled him. He doesn’t even do anything involving gaming anymore. Like a complete career change.

[@TonyChase365]

Excellent points bro especially the max stamina tax being applied to power/slash any puches that whiff. It definitely can be masked ask Vulnerability...its already animated nicely when a boxer is like 40-30% stamina and whiffs. They can use that same animation. Counters would be way more fun against cheesers.

[@im_cold_blooded]

100% bro. And if they applied the same tax to 6 axis blocking, it would slow things down a lot. That's probably the closest they can get to a parry system with what they currently have. I just try to be as realistic as possible with expectations because i don't think they can change or add anything outside the core mechanics at this point.

[@TonyChase365]

@im_cold_blooded nah that's facts. it's a hot fix that's needed and keeps the integrity of the sport. I fux wit it.

[@Freddy229Gee]

Pre-Thoughts: We need to push for a simulation & arcade modes….The two can’t co-exist at this point because too many unrealistic things are bleeding over….Game has a ton of potential but it’s headed in the 2K direction imo

[@Wren_The_Ten]

The main reason I played fight night so much is because I could create a character and fight him online. How’s this not In the game when it was over 12years ago! Plus head movement and clinch. Games not finished until these are sorted.

[@ShadowMcSneaky]

you see the main problem with the defense? i see the main problem with offensive movement. the meta at the moment ist to wait an make your opponent chase you. it is much easier to let the other person enter the pocket and just do a hook+hook combo when then enter with a punch. the forward moving punches/combos are so slow. it you try to enter with a jab you eat 2 free hooks. hooks in general have to much range compared to the jab. hooks also have the hit reaction and more damage then the jab. that makes playing in a pressure style way harder then playing the waiting game. you can clearly see that when you watch someone in the upper ranks that is playing to win. when you now debuff being offensive with the stamina punishment when your punch is being blocked then being offensive gets even more difficult. in my opinion we need more options/ways to pressure some one. a possible solutions would be to give the jab more range then hooks. it would give people a reason to use the jab. it would discourage people from using stationary hooks that are very fast compared to a forward moving jab. give jabs and the cross a purpose!

[@im_cold_blooded]

I love the detailed response brother. Most of your sentiments are also addressed in the video; all of them, actually. I'll touch on every one of your talking points and how i think the aforementioned fixes indirectly also bleed into or aid in making those things better, as well. "You see the main problem as defense?" No. I mentioned Defense, Spamming, and Movement. I mentioned punch trajectory as well, but instead of diving too deeply into it I mentioned it should be reverted back to how it was during the original Online Beta, or even one of the EA Builds. "The Meta is to wait and make your opponent chase you) I agree. See my suggest for movement changes. Here is a copy and paste of a patch note from EA, when running was a huge problem in FNC. " Locomotion Updates - Boxers can now move forwards with their guard up as fast as opponents can move backwards with their guard down Movement speed near the ropes or corners is affected. Makes it more difficult to consistently run throughout the course of a fight." On top of this, they also made stamina costs for constantly moving on the back foot and made boxers move backwards SLOWER while moving backwards with their guard up. I suggested they do the same, or even make it to where you can only be in loose movement for so long - to force people to bounce in and out of it more often. The idea of simply punishing people for scaling the ropes forces them to have to circle the center of the ring more often, which immediately buffs the front foot. I also mentioned that, during early access, I did a video about pressure. You had to be within a 180 degree angle of your opponent before you could get a speed boost. Anytime you found that straight line on your opponent you could walk toward them faster than they could walk away from you (even in loose movement). I recommend you see that video for reference. Hence why I said they should also bring that back. ALL of this aids the front foot. But none of this is balanced well if the defense is not fixed in a way where both parties have to pick their spots wisely. Here's the thing; the best RUNNERS you will come across won't be very good with their timing on counters, their guard on 6 axis blocking, or their offense with getting around your own 6 axis block. Boxing, and this game, should be a constant eb and flow where once you take away one of your opponents strengths, you then see where else he is strong at. Because those changes I am referring to in defense will be a massive buff for some and a nerf for others. It creates a skill gap. "when you now debuff being offensive with the stamina punishment when your punch is being blocked then being offensive gets even more difficult." Again, this is only an idea for 6 axis blocking. This does not making offense more difficult, it makes DEFENSE more difficult and rewards shot selection AS WELL as solid defense. It creates a scenario where no matter what direction i am blocking, you always have FIVE OTHER OPEN AREAS to touch me. Versus currently, you only have ONE open area (High, or low). " possible solutions would be to give the jab more range then hooks. it would give people a reason to use the jab" I agree. But I also recommend you See all of my footage prior to the Nov 15th patch and all of my footage in Early Access. I was averaging 100+ Jabs a fight, easily, and rarely trading with hooks. The jabs were also bleeding through the block beautifully with no issue. Again, that is why i mentioned REVERTING BACK to the way things were a couple patches ago on top of the other additions. All of these things in itself don't just create a better or more realistic/authentic feel.. they slow both offense and defensive styles down dramatically. And how fast you operate then becomes relative per individual skill ceilings. As it should be. Lastly, I do have a ranked account on XBox that is Gold 2 at 42-6, playing as Canelo. The que times are a bit too extreme right now for me to want to push further on top of me just hating the playstyles in Ranked. But I'm well aware of what the meta is AND, I've done pretty damn good against it without stooping to those lows. All I mentioned above, IMO, will GRATELY impact the meta and the way people play as a whole. And they're all changes that seem possible within the games engine as opposed to asking them to add entirely new mechanics that they're probably unable to do, now.

[@ShadowMcSneaky]

@@im_cold_blooded yeah wrote the comment in the middle of watching it ^^ maybe a little to early

[@im_cold_blooded]

@ShadowMcSneaky all good brother. I’m also terrible at addressing this stuff, since I just ramble more than anything. 🤣😂

[@BensonDean]

agree maybe you should be involved in this game cos I don't think these lot have got a clue about boxing

[@oldskoolplaya83]

What about fighting 10 rounds eight rounds is just not enough. Can you please address the devs about that?

[@im_cold_blooded]

@@oldskoolplaya83 I actually forgot the had us in 8 rounders 🤣😂. They treat us like prospects. I doubt anyone asked for 8 rounders. I need to know who green lighted that LOL.

[@aramisjones4804]

⁠@@im_cold_bloodedlol 8 rounds was for casuals. The problem is there isn’t a sim mode and casual online mode but the whole 8 rounds concept was more centered around catering to casuals who didn’t like long matches, so they thought they could make it a best of both worlds with 8 rounds in ranked when realistically, they could’ve just put 8rounds in quick match and 10 to 12 more centered around competitive play in ranked.

[@im_cold_blooded]

@@aramisjones4804 maybe I need to be a casual, then. So it hurts less. 🤣

[@BensonDean]

the power punch is getting out of control to many people are using it it needs to be controlled

[@orinstewartgallagher3256]

DO NOT!!! bring back the catch and shoot from early access. It was removed for a reason because it was game breaking. No i do not want to go back to having fights with people and their stats at the end of the fight are 250 blocks 150 counters cause all they do is hold block and throw a lead hook

[@im_cold_blooded]

@@orinstewartgallagher3256 that’s fair. But if there is six axis blocking, it should 100% be added. You should be forced to pick your spots and someone who is defensively sound should be rewarded as well.

[@orinstewartgallagher3256]

@im_cold_blooded till the blocking is no longer bulletproof. There shouldn't be anything added to blocking to further encourage people to just turtle. If they added catch and shoot to the game in its current state that would be the final nail in the coffin

[@im_cold_blooded]

@ hence why I mentioned 6 axis blocking. All suggested additions are ways to get six axis blocking, only. I don’t advocate for working around the already janky block system - I instead question the only ways I can see six axis working. I don’t think you understood what was said, brother, I mentioned catch and shoot as a method for six axis, only.

[@orinstewartgallagher3256]

@im_cold_blooded 6 axis block is the the cure all dudes seem to think it is

[@dambalasektv1]

Im Cold Blooded the most rational streamer alongside Wes.

[@MC-bh8ph]

I love every installment in the fight night franchise, but play them all back to back with Undisputed. If you tell me they are better video games I say ok MAYBE, but if you tell me they are more realistic and/or accurate, you're out of your mind

[@im_cold_blooded]

We romanticize about the past games a lot. Undisputed does a lot of things well. But it is very buggy and glitchy. What it nails as a boxing title, in practice, it does a great job capturing. But the lack of polish hold it back, heavily. Lets hope they get it right.

[@playmker2002]

Those parries in round 3 were wild exploitable.. disagree on that but i agree with the thrust of your comments

[@im_cold_blooded]

@@playmker2002 I never had issues with the parries in round 3. The judge jab and a sin cross after the parry was bad. The stun punching was bad. But I was always really good at punching around my opponents defense. I rarely got parried. I also rarely used the parry; I used the regular center block primarily. It was definitely exploitable. Especially when dudes would twirl while parrying. but it was one of the exploits that I had full control over with shot selection. I have round 3 videos still in rotation somewhere 🤣😂.

[@mightyJudah]

This game should of stayed early access lol

[@im_cold_blooded]

@@mightyJudah 🤣🤣

[@CensorTube84]

If Steel City devs listen to content creators, the game will be worse than it is already imo. Undisputed needs to be Undisputed, not Fight Night Champion or any other EA boxing title.

[@im_cold_blooded]

@@CensorTube84 that’s true. But if it is going to borrow from previous titles it should also try to avoid things that went wrong with them. As it stands, I see they’ve made some the same mistakes. So far I have seen “content creators” present valid ideas that would only benefit the game IMO. A few of them played different builds of that title that apparently was in a better state than what we have, now. Is asking SCI to bring things back that they previously had, wrong?

[@bigdrakoshow9638]

knockout kings omg yo

[@im_cold_blooded]

@@bigdrakoshow9638 we old… 🤣😂

[@lancealex382]

As annoying and flawed as this game is, it's the community that is making it even more unfulfilling and boring. The staggeringly high percentage of cheesers, cheats and quitters is embarrassing!

[@im_cold_blooded]

You give someone an inch, they take a mile. That's why you HAVE to limit things in these type of games, unfortunately. Because not everyone has the integrity to approach it the way they may have envisioned. Give everyone the power to turn invisible and walk through walls. Watch how many people end up rich the next day. LOL.

[@lancealex382]

@im_cold_blooded it's just rife, like 7/10 people quit or try to cheese with that standing still, block up and rolling around like they're having a seizure. I mean they're easy enough to beat if you don't get greedy but I could never imagine me or anyone I know doing that shit and being able to look at themselves in the mirror after.

[@emilacevedo1562]

The goat is back

[@Freddy229Gee]

I’ve been watching a bunch of alpha & beta versions of Undisputed….I wish I could have played those to see how things worked & it seemed to be more realistic….

[@im_cold_blooded]

@@Freddy229Gee if they’d have just gave us the new step back straight animation and fixed the body uppercuts, we’d probably be singing the games praises like crazy. EA was full of wild potential.

[@JamesMitchell-iq5vy]

Yall be forever Simping this game.

[@im_cold_blooded]

@@JamesMitchell-iq5vy it’s you, again. Enlighten us.

[@JamesMitchell-iq5vy]

@im_cold_blooded Na.... can't say what I want cause you be snitching to KZbin like this is Facebook, 😂 You probably gonna snitch this one to, go ahead, prove me right, cause you definitely snitched the Last comment before....

[@im_cold_blooded]

@@JamesMitchell-iq5vy how do you snitch to youtube? I just Pin your stupidity up for everyone to see, that's it. You mad cause I Pinned your dumbass comment, bro?

[@JamesMitchell-iq5vy]

@im_cold_blooded That's snitching right there, look I don't wanna go back and fourth with no snitching KZbinr, ain't your girl waiting on you? Use that time on her, not me, cause I gots NATHON for a snitching youtuber.

[@itstroy4145]

yo whats your twitch?

[@im_cold_blooded]

@@itstroy4145 it’s “intoccabile”. I’ll be streaming on YT, today, though. I stream different games on twitch, mainly “The Finals”. Probably my fav game out right now honestly.

[@itstroy4145]

@ oh okay bet, the finals is pretty fun, haven’t touched that game in a while though. I’ve been grinding marvel rivals

[@smokinjoe214]

I 100% agree with your views of all the games. I do feel that SCI should focus on the De-sync issues prior to everything else. It gives the community a false sense of what is happening in the game. It’s been times where I saw 1 thing on my screen but my opponent saw something totally different at the same time. Please get it right @PlayUndisputed. #FixUndisputed