Lets talk why its hard starting on mesmer

GuildWars2 #Mesmer #Roaming #PvP
Berry Bad Player - Duels - Outnumbered
Just talking about what ive noticed over the past few months and seeing what issues ppl are having starting out on mes.
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[@dichristo836]

As a newer player I appreciate these guides. I like mesmer, it's such a cool looking class but everytime i tried playing it (power variants) I ran into the same problems you describe here. At least I'm not the only one finding it hard to get started on...

[@wsrtwetr]

Took me over a year on and off to level it to 80. But once it pass the lvl 60 mark, it gets a lot better.

[@boxofpears2]

its a super easy class, dont let this video make it seem overwhelming. Just watch some guides and spend a good few hours of memorizing ur moves and youll be solid, not a single class in this game takes skill minus elementalist.

[@leragw2]

rly good video i agree with everything, would say ur video is a general explanation of how u can get better ! what helped for me was as u said learning what other classes can do etc but the most thing what helped me was actually recording my own fights and look over my mistakes / trying to find what could i made better in that situation or whatever but also watching montages from every class just to see how the most people play their classes etc etc .

[@Osmosis909]

I agree with your point on understanding other classes. I like to solo roam, so I’m constantly getting ganked and learning how other classes engage, their burst combos and when they are vulnerable has made me a much better Mesmer. It’s about knowing when to burst or counter or evade or pull range, understanding when they have burned all their CD’s and to maximise your chance. It’s very, very hard but rewarding when you stomp one of the current meta professions, I’m looking at you Vindicators…

[@vvhitevvabbit6479]

Excellent video, my guy! You've given me a new mindset to tap into.

[@continuereading3714]

Nice timing with these guides following the steam release for the new players. More vets with a big following should do the same for there class. Great video

[@cheezitzrcool]

i picked up mesmer a few months ago . Ive gotten so much better by watching you. This is a great video .

[@cheezitzrcool]

something id like to see is how to deal with thiefs who keep going OOC and then just coming right back

[@seeratlasdtyria4584]

After years playing Engi (mostly core, then Scrapper); Necro and Ranger,, I decided on building up a Mesmer LOL, haven't been beaten up like that since I unexpectedly ran into Hizen one night on one of his favorite "ONE and DONE" Thief builds. The first thing I saw was that I was DOWN, much less HOW he had squashed me like a nascent butterfly, which as a Mesmer, I guess I actually was RFLMAO! Anyway, Mez (Mirage) has proven to be a quantum leap in difficulty as you point out, especially at my age, and with my 'Ping" :( I HAVE however come upon a couple of simply masterful WVW squad leaders who have proved capable of pulling off some really startling results against competent zergs many multiples of our squad's size. However, once separated from our team, as a Mesmer, I'm immediately targeted by the mithril and higher ranked WVW'rs in groups of 4 or 5 or so, and though I sometimes manage to escape, mostly I'm just shredded before I can get back to my team. Playing Mesmer has turned out to be a seriously humbling experience. OTOH, in PVE, it's turning out to be capable of some rather amazing things and is a veritable "chit load" of fun :)

[@sylver4494]

I love videos like these to help people get into the game! And idk if this will be helpful for people but when I was learning how to count cool downs i would use cool downs on my bar to help, like if they used their heal on a 24s cool down and I had a stunbreak on cooldown for roughly the same amount of time I would know when my stunbreak was up so was their heal.

[@berrybadplayer]

That’s a good idea!

[@Zophial]

Thanks. If it means anything. You’re vids did make me a better mes player. Looking forward to more. Cheers.

[@berrybadplayer]

Thank you!!

[@Cenzurat]

Imo, these kinds of classes aren't for everyone, to make it work on a class like this you need good attention span, reaction speed, smarts and knowledge. Its a class designed for people that enjoy outplaying other people and the risks of getting deleted if you make a mistake since its much more rewarding to win like this rather than just spamming stuff and hoping for the best, cause you're only in it for items and shit.

[@relog]

i was wondering if i should go mesmer or ele its hard to choose knowing ele is unkillable

[@SeuRafinha]

I have a problem that I can't decide which class to play because I like a lot of them... You made me feel better because I ended up playing at least 200 hours with each (no ranger, of course 🤮) and I was feeling like I had lost time haha But you're right. In the end, I can fight pretty well against most classes in the game.

[@boschmitch]

thanks for sharing! key takeaway is understanding that mez is a reactive class in general

[@berrybadplayer]

Yes! But you can take some of the things you have to be reactive too now and turn them into something you can be proactive to like knowing when a class is going to use a certain skill or combo and countering it

[@booscuits]

Man I'll have to hop back into mesmer again lol I wish I didn't enjoy core shatter as much as I do it's always a ton of fun until you run into enough Cele to want to log off for the month also grats on 1k

[@DarkSeth9999]

good video. made some good points, been meaning to learn my mesmer better.

[@quip8304]

Thanks so much, i struggle on the class in pvp, and with no one willing to teach anything this is extremely helpful especially because when i die to mesmers ive no idea why. im usually like: ???????? o0

[@LiteralChips]

subbed. super helpful and like your energy. The mesmer is also my favorite like class/archetype in any game so. guess we're friends now❤

[@berrybadplayer]

shi i guess were friends now

[@jhmi7877]

This is a really late comment, and I want to preface this with the fact that I agree with you completely. I do wish there was an easier way to learn about other classes. I mean, I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that "knowing the enemy's class about as well as they do" is kind of a tall order lol, considering each class has specs that may as well be a separate class on their own. For me, playing against other classes has unfortunately been the only way I've been able to learn them. I tend to not retain information that I'm not interested in, so even if I watch videos or play other classes that I don't know just to learn about them (even if learning about them serves my self-interest), I always come out with nothing lol It's rough, and I know it has stalled my ability to become more efficient in classes that I play for far longer than others who can actually follow your advice. With aaall that said though, I find your videos (among others') to be extremely helpful. When I watch mesmer fights, I can then zero in on both what the mesmer is doing as well as what the opponent is doing. The explanations that you give also helps greatly, as that just builds my knowledge further. So even though I don't benefit as much from your advice (of playing other classes and watch vids on how they play, etc.), I still benefit a fuck ton from everything else that you do (including this video!). So that's a very round about way of saying thanks for your content XD I hope you continue making them.

[@Centrioless]

Any classes that dont really have passive sustain (like thief) also suffer the same problem. Just like you said, many classes dont have this problem, because those classes have passive sustain (from boons) that allow new players to afford more mistakes.

[@bencepandi3568]

Take inspiration on virtuoso with signet heal for insane passive sustain.

[@anonymousbloke1]

Well it's not that true on Thief. You can spam blind and stealth on it when you're not sure what to do, so at least your chances of survival are higher. But it is also harder to deal damage on thief as a new player, cause it relies a lot on hitting and running away

[@ByRekon]

hello this might be a stupid question, I am a new player and considering maining mesmer, which spec should I unlock first for open world hp farming so that everything will go smooth?

[@berrybadplayer]

Not really sure the best but virtuoso is pretty new play friendly

[@ByRekon]

@@berrybadplayer thank you, I read that mirage is pretty tanky in open world, will have to study more atm I am using core mesmer and I can solo most of the stuff

[@2Btoobee]

hi, who made the art of your toon on the bottom left? it's really pretty :D

[@berrybadplayer]

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[@chambuldozer238]

Merci pour ta video

[@nuggettscout5715]

Just wondering how you run zerg wise with mesmer, im tired of being support and getting little to no bags

[@berrybadplayer]

Sadly not a lot of dps options for Zerg play and I don’t Zerg often so I’m not entirely sure. Normally I’m running boon strip chrono

[@Cedeqien]

😍😍😍

[@dopractitioner]

best roaming advices video i haver watched ever. im not even play mesmer, playing ele but in terms of low armor class they have similarities. any advices on ele be appreciated dude, im trying to develope my ele skills.

[@berrybadplayer]

I’ve played ele a little bit but I fumble through 90% of the fights I have on it I’m not the best to ask 😅 ele and Mesmer player very different

[@hightechv8531]

yo whats the build in the first 1v3 ? did u just change greatsword to sword/torch from the build in the description?

[@berrybadplayer]

No that’s the pvp build with grieving check meta battle or hard stuck.gg

[@hightechv8531]

i cant find it :/

[@berrybadplayer]

@@hightechv8531 metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Virtuoso_-_Signet_Sage_Virtuoso

[@thestonedmango]

I've been playing ranger/warrior for like 4 years And I just started to play power mesmer, now I'm a downstate main

[@berrybadplayer]

I’m a downstate advocate

[@uniqueshitposthandle]

"What the fuck was that and why do you have every boon in the game right now?" Catalyst, Willbender and Harbinger say "Hello"

[@pcwarduke2055]

I def was that player. Played engi forever. Virtuossso has got me back into wanting to play mes. Been fun

[@Quinn2112]

Great vid. I know I'm late to the party, but here in 2024 is there a class you'd recommend for a beginner trying to learn pvp/wvw? Are any of the newer Mesmer specs good for this nowadays? More generally, for someone older with kids, etc., is there any realistic way of becoming good enough to enjoy WvW given that I cannot sit and study every class to learn every ability? I don't need to be a master, and I'm fine losing, but it would be nice to just not die all the time.

[@berrybadplayer]

@@Quinn2112 nowadays anything celestial, it’s going to give you the best stat spread and will do a good job keeping you alive while doing decent dmg but learning on builds like these tend to cover up bad habits that don’t show until you play a different build. This is just me talking in terms of small scale or solo gameplay

[@Quinn2112]

@@berrybadplayer Thanks for reply, man. So, I could stick with celestial Mes build and do...okish? Would it still be better to learn pvp fundamentals on a different class (e.g. warrior) first?

[@berrybadplayer]

@@Quinn2112 I would say personally if you like Mesmer learn it but understand it feels very different from most everything else in the game. Some things do translate to other classes but for the most part if you get tired of Mesmer and want to go a different route you’re gonna have a harder time than if you were to pick pretty much any other class to learn on and want to move to another.

[@Quinn2112]

@@berrybadplayer Many thanks for the advice. I do love Mesmer. But, as I said, I'm old, slow, and don't have the time to learn every other class, so your video made me a little nervous to use Mesmer as my WvW class. But I'll stick with it.

[@kendrickyay]

12:39 please make a video about that. Would really appreciate it!

[@jshack461]

I went from necro to mes and it was such a breath of fresh air tbh, I love it, even power. My one problem is: phantasms. No other class has weapon skills that can be killed. It makes us useless in large scale wvw and I hate it.

[@berrybadplayer]

Welcome to the life 👌🏽

[@UsernameXOXO]

As an enjoyer of mobile conquest characters, phantams literally make it easier to reach the real mesmer. Came here while checking the state of virtuoso. Because I want to play mesmer without giving others like me an advantage.

[@waffle8599]

1k hype

[@BeowulfGaming]

There is nothing wrong with a class being too hard or complex and having a high skill ceiling, but those classes, when mastered and played well should be rewarded more than low effort specs, that is unfortunately not the case with gw2. You putting 1000 hours+ into a mesmer or thief or ele should reward you when playing on point more than someone playing guardian or necro well, however, you need to put in 4 times more effort into these specs to get similar results as someone mediocre on guardian for example, i wish anet adressed it a bit more

[@ThePyramid21]

whaw, im new to the game (1-2) months in, started as mesmer, first ever character leveling up as power shatter was fun and only option but besides that im slowly rebuilding to offensive condi alac support, because i dont want to leave it on halfway. besides that , yeh im thinking about new character

[@berrybadplayer]

pve has a lot more simple builds since this video was made !

[@ThePyramid21]

@@berrybadplayer ye but im farming WvW for ascended but im learning a lot from you

[@laithao2092]

Mesmer is my first. It's the only lvl 80 I have. All others are below 40

[@kaldrogo2003]

#1000 sub (I think!) Anywho! Love your videos and guides. Anything you believe that would benefit us mesmers will continue to be greatly appreciated. Have a fantastic day/weekend!

[@berrybadplayer]

Thank you sooo much!!

[@SeuRafinha]

This is not for mesmer. I improved so much with all classes playing all of them.

[@jakosvacos6532]

Hello I am currently playing in free to play I am trying the classes I have already tried guardian and ranger for 2 weeks now I am trying mesmer and I have difficulty understanding the class I am French but unfortunately I cannot find any french video that could help me and I had a doubt watching your video but in the end it helps a lot it annoys me a bit to have to move to another class cause i really like mesmer but according to what you say ''you have to know the other class before playing mesmer '' if I understood correctly so i will do that thanks :)

[@berrybadplayer]

This only really applies to small scale or solo world vs world or player vs player

[@Identificador757]

Others thing, im Main Mirage and really i only play Mirage, i cant play without the Mirage Cloak evade now, is what gives playing only Mirage since PoF.

[@Identificador757]

I remember when back in PoF the Torrent armor signet pop up the healing every time you do 1 stack of torment without regen and Instagram, was a really funny tank condibuild but yeah, so op. When i come back a few months ago i saw the signets now gives you regen with 5 sec coldown, was sad af, but It was needed that nerf.

[@Vaanss]

wow

[@PKzenn]

well i picked mesmer and am on level 10 took gunslinger on lost ark and learned it quite well, should be able to handle the llusionist

[@berrybadplayer]

Hellll yea! If u got any questions lmk!

[@Myror.7521]

Im a warr Main i hate mes grrrrrrrrrrrrrr..... gud vid btw 😆 (Remember my Training back then was get claped for 2 month straight against mes/thief duo comb xD/ I just began to play other classes just like 3 years after i began with pvp xd)

[@kaspi6161]

mesmer is a fun class (:

[@KUTZUM4]

Mes power vis is my favourite class I don’t see nothing wrong with it win 1v3s all the time in arenas or wvw..

[@FaithNavii]

p mesmer too gud plz nerf sometimes it one shot my cele builds because i dont dodge thats not normal :c

[@erikmagnusson2924]

Mesmer or elementalist? 🤔

[@berrybadplayer]

Yes

[@davidconway6344]

its.. "you all" unless you're from Texas.

[@samuelcolavecchia6798]

I just wish wvw was more rewarding.. I've never really felt it's been worth my time compared to playing pve, I have over 1000 hours on my mesmer since I loved playing it. I only played power chrono and have never been particularly good and always get dogged on. and I just get frustrated and quit because other classes are critting harder for less effort it feels like. and I feel I have no counter play to condis.

[@berrybadplayer]

I mean it is kinda unrewarding but I spend my time trying to get better and better. Mesmer is in a really good spot rn to roam on so maybe try to give it a new try. Inspiration is where 110% of ur condi clear comes from and you can pretty much counter the cele meta with the trait line

[@anonymousbloke1]

I've been playing Mesmer in PvP and WvW for a very long time (over 2000 hours on my mes) and I still get fuckin destroyed on power Chrono in PvP. I mean, last I tried it it was back when Chrono didn't have distortion so now my chances of survival might be much higher, but still. It's such a squishy fuckin class.. negative 1000 defense..

[@codygoldade3984]

I’m GW1 Mesmer is OP

[@NoviusInfernalBerserk]

I know this is most likely about dueling, but not everything about mesmer in pvp is hard. Mesmer was the first class I ever played pvp with in 2014 and I always felt like it was the easiest class for conquest pvp because I played as a roamer and could get away from almost any situation while still doing a lot of damage and winning some duels. I even dropped my warrior for it back then... I didn't play for years after that, but nowadays with virtuoso greatsword and dagger/pistol it became even easier because I'm just running around and spamming my rotations from a distance while still having good impact on the match. Even if I get attacked, mesmer still has a lot of blocks and stealth to kite or run away, so if you play it with mobility, it's a very forgiving class overall and one of the most easy classes you can chose as a roamer role in conquest in my opinion.

[@berrybadplayer]

I didn’t say the class itself was hard I’m explained why it’s hard to get into for most playerss

[@NoviusInfernalBerserk]

@@berrybadplayer That's really just an illusion though. What you said is true for every power build because the pvp in this game is all based on timing and reacting accordingly to the situation (not just mesmer). If you waste all your CDs on someone, who is blocking, you will have a hard time fighting against them with any power build, no matter the profession you play. There are 3 things that make classes hard to play for newbies in pvp: First is close combat, second is low sustain and third is low utility (lower sustain and utility allows less mistakes in combat). Meaning the lower the damage of the class/build, the easier it is to play. Daredevil with a low sustain build and dagger or sword and pistole will be one of the harder classes to play in pvp for beginners. Or for example playing berserker with low sustain and close combat can also be very hard and frustrating in pvp because if you keep joining the wrong battles, you will most likely always die right away, so you will need a lot of knowledge and situational awareness to avoid that. Meaning berserker offers higher damage and impact but also has much more risk to it if you make just one single mistake when it comes to positioning or fighting. Mesmer can be a little bit tricky if you choose to play with a one handed sword but like I said: It's extremely beginner friendly if you just play virtuoso with greatsword, dagger and pistol. If you use this combination, you are basically fine just spamming almost all of your weapon skills and the first 2 class skills from a high distance for damage. It's very forgiving when it comes to situational awareness or missed bursts in pvp because you can use class skill 4 + mass stealth to get out of almost any bad situation (you even have the option to break stun and get stealth or break stun and teleport) and since mesmer is single target, ranged and has a good stun, it will give you an advantage in duels against many other classes just by it's nature. Mesmer has never been easier and more beginner friendly than now thanks to virtuoso. Not sure about chronomancer because I haven't played it but I'm quite sure it's all about rotations and less about positioning. The thing about rotations is that they require practice while positioning requires actual knowledge and experience about pvp and new players, who played pve for some hours will already know their skills and rotations, no matter which class they chose. Overall mesmer is very good for starting pvp and learning the basics. The difficulty is very overrated because people see lot of class skills and don't really know what they do but to explain it it's enough to say: 1 and 2 = damage, 3 is CC and 4 is evasion/block. Using that many skills shouldn't be a problem after some hours of pve, so I definitely recommend the class for newbies, who want to get into pvp. In fact to have the best experience, you start playing pve with the class that deals the most base damage (warrior = easiest to learn, hardest to master) and end with the lowest damage but for pvp it's the opposite: start out with the lowest base damage class (because it offers the best range, utility and sustain balance) and end up playing the highest damage class (lowest range, utility and sustain balance but also most rewarding because of the damage).

[@lisenseii]

Gw2 for me represents How working hard for something Works out good for u, mesmer in pro hands can 3x1 easily but when you start look really bad. PvP unranked is there for u to learn by error, play the fucking game and you Will be great eventualy, and i dont even play mesmer xD

[@FlameableMusic]

Did you just say you played a class for 2.000 hours to get a basic understanding of them? Holy haha

[@berrybadplayer]

No no Dx I just eventually started maiming it for a while

[@digitallandfill]

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[@berrybadplayer]

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[@mrj5361]

(Coach me 4 money)

[@berrybadplayer]

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[@mrj5361]

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[@berrybadplayer]

@@mrj5361 I have a discord with a lot of mes mains. If you have any questions or want some extra help go there. There is plenty of ppl willing to help, myself included for free man.

[@MesmerAloofly]

mesmer is garbage

[@stefices]

bro drop the word “fucking”, you are using it too much.

[@berrybadplayer]

🤣😂

[@melissas4874]

My first character was a mesmer and that was on release of GW2. I had no issues - but now coming back years later? I'm getting my butt kicked! LMAO And I'm maxed out on the class, but I don't want to delete since it's my only max level character. I started a ranger because I don't even remember what I was doing when I left. I remember doing a lot of PvP and that's it.