HTMX Web Apps with Carson Gross

Scott and Wes welcome HTMX creator Carson Gross to discuss the versatile applications and optimal scenarios for using HTMX, alongside insights into its creation and evolution. Join us as we explore the future prospects and improvements as we look towards HTMX 2.0.
Show Notes
00:00 Welcome to Syntax!
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02:22 Who is Carson Gross?
03:53 What exactly is HTMX?
07:04 What made you want to create something like HTMX?
10:01 Would HTML look more like HTMX if we were to rebuild it today?
12:54 Isn't HTMX a step backward into old-school AJAX?
16:09 When would you avoid using HTMX?
17:56 Does HTMX put an unnecessary load on the server?
21:46 What are your thoughts on rendering everything on the server?
26:29 What is your favorite stack?
28:49 Things that are lost moving to the JavaScript framework world.
30:16 HTMX coupling your front end and back end.
32:28 How do you feel about web components?
33:40 What are the big templating engines and your top pick?
36:33 Object-oriented HTML.
37:38 Is there an offline story or a “local-first” story for HTMX?
38:44 What does the future of HTMX look like given its rise in popularity?
40:03 HTMX and X (Twitter).
42:30 The Microsoft story.
45:26 Carson's thoughts on de-escalating the language around HTMX.
47:44 Sick Picks + Shameless Plugs.
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[@casadogaspar]

Really good devs embrace simplicity, it's so good to see people aiming to simple and effective instead of abstract code acrobatics to create stuff.

[@RayAndrewsDev]

Carson is so amazingly down to earth and sensible. The whole web development world gets a jolt with his library and ... "yeah, I don't really do a whole lot of web development"

[@jeremystone6433]

Honestly, htmx with vanilla php is looking really tempting these days.

[@mattw.28]

This is my current stack lol 😊 PHP 8.0 + HTMX v2 = ❤

[@bennihana2422]

HTMX has made me enjoy frontend development again

[@JT-mr3db]

Using a combination of htmx and a UI heavy weight framework is incredibly powerful. You cover basically all your bases. Htmx would be in control of the vast majority of your UI, and the UI heavy weight framework will only be used when you need that need that highly dynamic client side UI that would otherwise suffer from a round trip to the server. It's great stuff!

[@micoberss5579]

Carson looks like a very cool guy. I wish I had such proffesors at college

[@juanmacias5922]

This was awesome, fun hearing some behind the scenes on htmx!

[@variablenull5891]

I am using HTMX and Stimulus... and simply rocks

[@MarkVolkmann]

Carson hits the trifecta again … baseball hat with St. Louis Cardinals logo, camouflage, and flannel. I love htmx!

[@erics2133]

I can't remember where else I said this, but I had thought of something like HTMX back in the mid-'00s, and I'm just glad that someone else wasn't as lazy as I was. I haven't used HTMX for any projects yet, but I'm considering it for one, and I recommended a friend look into HTMX.

[@studiousllama4776]

OK that Microsoft story is hilarious. "Interesting" 😂

[@Web-Dev-Codi]

Another Banger incoming!!!! HTMX is super dope!

[@lorrehuggan]

long time listener first time watcher

[@CristianKirk]

HTMX is so unbelievably useful, simple and logical that it just exposes how clunky most JS frameworks have become.

[@tahayvr]

I appreciate the video podcasts! What took you so long? Lol

[@syntaxfm]

Syntax was always a side project for us. Now that it’s our main gig we were able to hire a producer and up our game.

[@yamlcase230]

htmx2? 😮

[@GuillaumeDenry]

A bit surprised that anyone puts Elixir and Liveview on the table since it's like HTMX on steroids

[@benpatton6422]

I finally finished the HTMX version of Wes's sick fits! Changed the theme to be my own so it wasn't a one to one carbon copy of the UI - kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6STkoCvgqZ0oJY

[@Ipadstands]

Thanks that was fun to watch

[@SRG-Learn-Code]

HTMX is JS. You feel like is HTML while coding, but is simply javascript.

[@yamlcase230]

while technically true, this statement feels a little pedantic. htmx is an engine to make what any of us old farts wished SSI could do 30 years ago. Engine has to be written in something, and really the only rational language to write that in is JavaScript because ubiquity.

[@diggss]

Yep, in the same sense of a wheel, that works into a car as well as into a train. Both complete a similar job, despite that it performs in a completely different way. In the end, everything is JS, just running out of the browser! Hahaha

[@stoic-void]

svelte 5 makes HTMX obsolete

[@gofudgeyourselves9024]

Sounds like Ken thompson

[@gofudgeyourselves9024]

Ok