Plato | Timaeus - Full audiobook with accompanying text (AudioEbook)

[@philosorapper4936]

Whats is very interesting, is the date that Solon gives is “9000 years before their time” if The critias was written 2,300 years ago and atlantis came 9000 years before their time, that adds up to 11,300 years ago which coincides exactly with the meltwater pulse 1b rapid glacial melt and sea level rise at the end of the younger dryas impact event. These cataclysmic events may explain the “great flood myth” that still echos in MANY ancient texts and religions to this day! How many times have great civilizations been reset by cataclysms only to be erased from time?

[@lewiskirk8289]

Have you read the work of Graham Hancock? His fingerprints and magician’s of the goods go into this is great detail.

[@BouldersPaigeTurner]

A reoccurring 12000 year pole shift might be the cause.

[@3euine3]

I honestly doubt Atlantis ever existed. I agree that ‘the great flood’ myth many civilizations around the world share likely describes the meltwater pulse 1b event but I think these are describing the same story in different ways. There is a fun theory that the Sumerians originally lived in what is now the Persian Gulf when it was just a valley. After a couple hundred years of sea level rise they moved into southern Iraq and told stories about how the gods punished mankind for it’s sins and wiped out the previous civilization. The greeks, Egyptians, Jews and Indins all borrowed that myth and adapted it to their own mythology. I think the idea of a great civilization going under the sea might be plato mixing various historical events that became legends by the time plato was alive. I would recommend reading about the bronze age collapse if that’s something you’ve never looked into before, but it’s important because it produced a 700 dark age in greece where people stopped writing things down and couldn’t read the previous writing system the mycannaeans or Minoans used. I think he mixed legends about the ‘sea people’ and collapse of the Minoan civilization along with a flood myth to produce the Atlantis civilization. I personally think he did this to describe how the passage of time will destroy even the most advanced civilization but just kept adding onto the myth as he got older. Anyway hope this helps!

[@thakid7105]

According to Solon, the Egyptian Priest at Sais had record of what was it; 5 additional catastrophic events?

[@NikkolasKing]

Thank you so much for this. I'm just a layman but I love Plato more than justa bout any other philosopher. Unfortunately, I am legally blind so it's hard to find good audiobooks of all his dialogues apart from the famous ones. This and the Laws are two dialogues I'd really like to see agood reading of from a good translation and so thank you again.

[@lewiskirk8289]

You are very welcome! Be sure to check out to the Platonic Dialogue playlist where there are many other of Plato's works! I'm happy to hear that you find them valuable.

[@looseleafteabutworse]

I imagine the sacred text archives and a good screen reader would be invaluable to you

[@crackyflipside]

Starting at 10:44 is Atlantis story. Explanation of how some mythological narratives serve as a cultural storage media to encode cataclysms and how to survive them.

[@johnbevan4684]

Thanks for this, mate. It's obvious you worked very hard on this. Cheers.

[@lewiskirk8289]

You're welcome. Glad you found it valuable! 👍

[@stevedelchamps5113]

These readings are greatly appreciated. You have a pleasant pace and delivery. I plan to add you to my list of Patreon “clients.”

[@tirig6346]

Parts of it are alchemical in nature, Plato is full of surprises

[@lewiskirk8289]

He sure is. There is no end of the depth of wisdom in the dialogues.

[@ferntheinkling]

This is literally so helpful. Not only is this audiobook in my translation, but it even shows me where to is on the page! This makes reading so much more fun, ty ❤

[@lewiskirk8289]

You are very welcome! I find the AudioEbook format the most helpful way to take in the ideas! 😀🙏

[@ferntheinkling]

@@lewiskirk8289 yes me too! Tysm!

[@elel2608]

22:48 Atlantis

[@ReneePsalm18]

Personal bookmark 14:13 24:53 1:39:29 1:42:25 1:47:18 1:47:38 1:49:14 1:53:34

[@jackdarby2168]

Thanks mate. I appreciate you doing the classics. They hopefully will stay up for a long long time continuing such tradition

[@lewiskirk8289]

You're very welcome Jack. I really enjoy Plato, but it's not the easiest read, so these audioebooks help I believe. I intend to keep building and building the library and like you say, it should be available for a long time, all things being well. 👍

[@jackdarby2168]

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[@jackdarby2168]

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[@thekungflu8965]

Thanks for this beautiful reading! God bless you and may the greatness you read and thus "give" to the world, come back to you and your life! :)

[@lewiskirk8289]

Wow! Thank you. There are not too many Plato fans out there, so it is great to meet a fellow lover of wisdom. More Plato to come soon. 🙏❤️

[@level4286]

Many thanks for posting this. To think that this is the Book that Plato holds, in the School of Athens fresco, in the room right before one enters the Sistine Chapel; where the roof is covered by a fresco depicting the new testament and the final judgement. There is something about Plato's and Aristotle's hand and feet gestures, the books and their title's, plus the interplay of red and blue hues that has always intrigued me... Also the fact that Raphael depicted Plato as Leonardo, made me remember Jesus' hand gestures and interplay of the red and blue hues in the Last Supper fresco. Again, thanks for making me search a wee bit more easy by posting this audio and written visual.

[@lewiskirk8289]

What a great picture you paint with this comment. There are clearly connections and relationships between all you touch on above. The Timaeus is Plato's Genesis/Creation account, and I am sure that it impacted the church fathers and founders. I find having the text and audio the easiest way to consume the dialogue. Thanks for the great comment, and enjoy your studies.

[@level4286]

@@lewiskirk8289 you are very very welcome... I must add, that: rediscovering the linear/historical relationship between Neith and Athena and the fact that "they're" the patron goddess of the Chicago Exchange, makes me fall in love all over again with the grand design of USA by it's founders... Also find it interesting that Diana is also in direct relationship with Neith/Athena, since they're goddess of Industry, Arts, and War... Since Gal Gadot is an ex Mossad agent... The irony! Finally, the cosmology expressed in this text reminds me of The Zohar (Kabala Book of Brilliance) and of Teosophical teaching of Madam Blavatsky (did you know most modern "high" art is based on her teachings?) ... add a bit of Akenahten (my fav pharo and first monotheist) Funny thing is, it took many years after reading these, for the information to be distilled into knowledge, even personal knowledge; as if personal memories of past lives. How to explain this... ? Let's say the "allegory" of "The Cave" is more real that we may let ourselves feel and think... That to know thyself in history and to know thyself, voluntarily or involuntary, the way all the smoke and mirrors break down... Yet, it is also lonely and perilous to go through "the cave", because once you see it, one can't go back, even if it might cost you your life... And one can't judge others for not "seeing it", because you where once like that and you yourself cannot fully explain why have you gone through this process; was it fate, was it an accident...

[@audreyc7462]

Wow! 👏 this is absolutely amazing. Excellent reading! Your hard work is very much appreciated

[@lewiskirk8289]

You are most welcome. It’s great to find people who appreciate Plato. 🙏

[@anyoneattheendoftime4932]

Listening to Plato's account of the creation of numbers makes me feel so stoned.

[@BouldersPaigeTurner]

Thank you for the reading. I’m grateful for your time and passion it took create it. Cheers

[@lewiskirk8289]

You are welcome. 🙏

[@Gloopsie]

Thank you so much!! I don't often use audiobooks but in case of ancient texts such as these i find them to be absolutley neccesary. you are the reason I will fly right through the honors program :)

[@lewiskirk8289]

You’re welcome. I find having the text and audio together the best way to consume dense information. Good luck with your studies 🙏

[@emadbagheri]

@1:54:25, these are Newton's Laws of Motion, 2000 years before Newton!

[@Larzsolice]

Plato wasn't lying. This is so much easier to follow if you draw the diagrams (or take them from Alchemy and Kabbalah manuscripts)

[@FullForceCrew1]

Hi Mr. Kerk. I really appreciate your uploads here. Looking forward for more!

[@lewiskirk8289]

You're welcome. Much more to come.

[@nax1990]

29:50 What is that which always is? And has no becoming, And what is that which becomes? but never is.

[@ambientjane3036]

Thanks so much for this! I have to study it for my masters and listening whilst reading helps me so much!

[@lewiskirk8289]

You're very welcome! It’s the best way to consume the information in my opinion. Good luck with your studies 🙏

[@ambientjane3036]

@@lewiskirk8289 yes I totally agree! And thank you, much appreciated!

[@clarkharney8805]

Thank you again for sharing the brilliant dialogues !

[@lewiskirk8289]

You are welcome 🙏

[@iandeanburns]

Thanks a lot. Excellent work, as usual.

[@lewiskirk8289]

Your welcome Ian. Critias should be ready for next week. 👍

[@augustineopara2887]

Wow this is really anatomy and physiology. Thank you so so much.

[@lewiskirk8289]

My pleasure 🙏

[@zerakhu]

Thank you for this, I really enjoy listening and reading his works ❤

[@lewiskirk8289]

You are most welcome! I find the AudioEbooks the easy way to digest dense material like Plato. Glad you found it valuable 🙏

[@sheiken9754]

Great job my dude, thanks a lot!

[@lewiskirk8289]

You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed it! 🙏

[@fraterdeusestveritas2022]

29:53 is by far the most profound statement in this entire book.

[@MichaelJimenez416]

Seems like a pretty straightforward distinction to me

[@ΓιάννηςΤηλικίδης]

Something that people misinterpret in Plato's cosmogony is that the cosmos - universe isn't constructed from god creator ex nihilo, which means from absolute zero , therefore nothing. This is what western philosophy and religion adopted from stoicism( In the beginning was the word and the word is with god).Plato's creation comes from non existence ,which is the translation of " εκ του μη όντος " in ancient greek. That state is indeterminable, indefinable, not mathematically accessible and this is where the god gives reason and mathematical harmony in the material world. The reason Plato uses solids ( tetrahedron, octahedron etc ) is because they can be dissected into smaller isoscelus , equilateral triangles and these into smaller right triangles .The discovery that the hypotenuse can be a number with infinite decimals ( √2) puzzled the whole realm of ancient greek philosophy and Plato wanted to prove that the world is simultaneously reasonable in a backround absent from reason. Even since Homer, in the greek mythology Zeus , Athena and Apollo represent reason , whereas the Titans or creatures like sphinx represent chaos and uncertainty.

[@frederickingrando5469]

Thanks bro this really did make me smarter!

[@lewiskirk8289]

Glad I could help. Any time we read Plato we get smarter…

[@toddmalone6124]

Once again thank you sir for what you do.

[@lewiskirk8289]

My pleasure 🙏

[@TheKingsTimeMachine]

❤❤ absolutely refreshing

[@lewiskirk8289]

Glad you think so 😊🙏

[@MrMikkyn]

Plato sounds like a theologian, tantrika, yogi, or kabbalist. His understanding of the elements through his characters Timaeus is fascinating. In Kabbalah it would be the sefirot, in Shakta Tantra and Kundalini Yoga it would be the chakras, in Samkhya it would be the tattvas. And then there’s a mix of science and alchemy there too. Its really fascinating that this was considered thousands of years ago.

[@lewiskirk8289]

It’s a wonderful dialogue. And thank you for pointing out those perennial truths across the other traditions 🙏

[@Dynaboy1]

Plato was initiated by the Egyptians, and he learned and shared some of the secrets

[@edenkammeyer6879]

1:55:10 bookmark

[@3euine3]

how does prometheus fit into this assessment of the universe? Did plato believe that Prometheus was a real physical deity who built humans and this great architect who built the universe created prometheus?

[@tombirmingham7033]

Oops, i gotta say that at 23 minutes the Atlantis stuff and the 10k years of written human history blew my mind

[@adamwheeless8523]

2024 thank you for this.

[@lewiskirk8289]

You are very welcome 🙏

[@ObjectiveZoomer]

1:30:00 bookmark

[@eightness888]

54:03 in relation to the myth of er from Republic

[@lewiskirk8289]

😀👍

[@clarkharney8805]

“Because it shares in reason and harmony, the soul came to be the most excellent of all the things begotten by him who is himself most excellent of all that is intelligible and eternal.” - Plato (Timaeus)

[@lewiskirk8289]

🙏❤️

[@user00404]

1:58 sounds like the medieval era doesn't it

[@lewiskirk8289]

Indeed.

[@paideia-e9u]

Many thanks to Mr. Lewis Kirt for posting. 32 years ago, I name my third son, Timaeus. The study has never finished yet. Paideia Society

[@thespiritofhegel3487]

These videos are great.

[@lewiskirk8289]

I’m glad you enjoy them. 😀👍

[@aisforamerica2185]

17:10ff the flood comes and leaves humanity at an infancy, forgetting her past. 50:25ff

[@lewiskirk8289]

🙏

[@racklin1672]

Bookmark 19:30

[@bolgert911]

21:40 on atlantis

[@UdiDol]

Thanks! Thanks! Thanks!

[@lewiskirk8289]

You're most welcome! 🙏

[@SeedSix]

"...what is becoming is becoming, and what is about to become is about to become, and what is non-existent is non-existent; but none of these expressions is accurate." I guess that means I should be skeptical the next time I hear someone say it is what it is. 🤔

[@bobwilson7684]

The famous sun calendar at Mexico national museum, tells about four catastrophes too, may that be true, it is interesting to see, how each culture is using the myth for making themselves and origins bigger and better than anyone, we have to consider that, for all of these texts, there is no single piece of material that can be confirmed as the original only first one. and all these texts themselves, are very wise from the beginning, saying that it is an oral legend, comming from cultures that were writing records of everything...?..--indpendently of the veracity of the story-- to note, regarding those nostalgics, and those who want to see those ancestors as so "cool" and so great and peaceful, I think is shocking how much they delve into the question army, they are talking then about armies and civilizatons in conflict since 11.000 years agominimum...all of them equaly into slavery to the core... since I go around these topics, I realize how much these supremacist interpretations of the past have done so much damage to ancient and modern societies, and when going on the internet...things don´t look any better. However, thanks for posting one "original" in the first place, so anyone can have a clear idea of what we talk about. fantastic reading Lewis, not so easy finding a good one like this.

[@blerpblerpson890]

Super appreciated.

[@lewiskirk8289]

My pleasure 🙏

[@95Josey]

Sorry, i really enjoyed listening to your version of timaios; could you please share the translation used? Thank you very much for your timelessness.

[@lewiskirk8289]

I’m glad you enjoyed the dialogue. It comes from the Hackett publication and the translation is by DonaldJ.Zeyl

[@AlexB-nw7jt]

Hi, the PDF link is broken, anyone have a backup?

[@lewiskirk8289]

Here you go. Hope this works cful.letras.ulisboa.pt/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Plato-Complete-Works-by-Plato-John-M.-Cooper-D.-S.-Hutchinson-z-lib.org_.pdf

[@dalal6180]

Hello the website isn’t working can you please point out which edition you’re narrating? Thanks

[@lewiskirk8289]

It’s the Hackett publishing edition and is translated by Donald J.Zeyl

[@franciscocaldas5258]

8:00

[@sabrinaimbrogno7932]

Hi Lewis. Thank you for reading this. Whose translation is this?

[@sabrinaimbrogno7932]

I see the linked reference now, but I don’t know if editor means translator. Any idea?

[@lewiskirk8289]

You are welcome! The names next to each dialogue in the contents are the translators. If you read the acknowledgements too there is some nice information about the translations. Be sure to check out the rest of the Platonic dialogues. 🙏

[@nickj5451]

29:50 - 28a

[@fraterdeusestveritas2022]

The most profound statement in the book

[@davidchavez1553]

43:00

[@davidchavez1553]

Thank you for posting this. Plato is an all time favorite. I definitely will be listening to your channel. Have a blessed day.

[@ahmadalany4212]

Can you imagine whole bbc dramas and audiobooks done with AI including the music in them. No more millions of dollars and hours of hard working for actors.

[@lewiskirk8289]

I can imagine you and I doing it. AI would do all the work, we would just need to prompt it.. amazing!

[@91jmixes40]

If all art and writing were AI, none of it would be of any value.

[@usfreedomsmith3077]

Who came here for Atlantis but stayed but the hard-core philosophy?

[@lewiskirk8289]

😀🙏

[@blackmonster4708]

who is still listening to this in 2021?

[@williamanderson4395]

Yes.

[@lukecash3500]

I'm studying it intently for writing purposes, in 2023. And this is a real windfall of a nice resource.

[@chamodasadaruwan4083]

supperb.

[@lewiskirk8289]

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it! 🙏

[@ReishHaLevi]

Interesting how the trinity develops from platonic philosophy

[@lewiskirk8289]

Yes, I agree. There is much Platonic influence in all of the Abrahamic faiths.

[@richardkettering9532]

I'll say this about the moon...it would be about the most militarily strategic place in our world to be stationed and since we went there over 50 years ago to think there's not some type of governmental entity up there is just not logical

[@charliestubbs6151]

You are so correct

[@2550205]

good to smell the breadth of wholves sniffing at the bit

[@CDNSnowDay]

Imagine, we have people in our world today that think the moon in a projector and our world is flat while these Ancient Greek Philosopers and story tellers are out here accurately describing our universe before they even understood it. Also, I'm convinced people killed Socrates because they thought he was insufferable and pertentious haha.

[@bbbofficial777]

Nobody killed Socrates. Athenians were very lenient with him, considering he was a heretic, and what a nuisance he had been. They gave him the option of drinking, hemlock, or leaving, he chose to drink it.

[@CDNSnowDay]

@jhn1488 Yes, I know, but it's not much of a choice for an elderly man. Either die from hemlock or die out in the wilderness. That's why he chose hemlock, easier death.

[@lukecash3500]

And of course there's the consideration that probably a lot more people than Socrates were executed by these courts for having associated with the Thirty Tyrants. On charges similarly nebulous sounding. Same reason Aristotle's Macedonian association became inexpedient enough he had to leave. Athens may not always have been a safe place to criticize democracy or be associated with monarchs and/or oligarchs.

[@Hermetic_]

@CDNSnowDay …does your comment mean you believe what these ancient Greeks described here is true or accurate? Anymore accurate than those who consider the moon a projector?

[@usfreedomsmith3077]

BTW platos republic is awesome and you'll see some modern day democracies follow its practices

[@TBD3.0]

👍🏻

[@lewiskirk8289]

😀👍

[@Kid_Ikaris]

" in fact we even made mention of women. We said that their natures should be made to correspond with those of men, and that having to do with war or with the other spectacle of life, should be common to both men and women. " - circa 350-400BC Women actually beginning being culturally accepted in all occupations circa 2017AD

[@2tehnik]

And then the text implies unjust people get reincarnated into women? Maybe I'm misinterpreting this, but I do find it strange how Plato would hold such seemingly contrary opinions.

[@Kid_Ikaris]

@@2tehnik maybe it is explained in part by the simple answer that his brilliance was beyond his cultural view of the world.

[@cesare3016]

@@2tehnik To be fair, it was the character of Timaeus who said that and not Socrates (Plato`s primary vessel for his ideas). Plato could see women as inferior metaphysically, but also believe that there should be no difference on a societal level, as in his ideal city. We should also avoid looking into ancient writings with modern views that may bias our interpretations. With that said, I`m not an specialist, but I hope I cleared things a bit.

[@2tehnik]

@@cesare3016 old.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/comments/jjr3sh/are_platos_views_on_women_contradictory_how_do_we/ Here's a good answer.

[@123sLb123]

Why does he say order=good, order just got the appearance of good, humans are not robots we need balance

[@sarahpersonalexcellenceguide]

I thought that too. But I'm of the opinion that the Greeks, like most literate people, forgot the REAL order of the universe always includes balance between opposites. Because literate people write the importance of balance out of people's minds. They do it by portraying the negative, feminine, chaotic parts of life as "bad" and "undesirable." Look how Hesiod portrayed Pandora.

[@91jmixes40]

Maybe I'm uncultured but I cannot make sense of 90% of this book

[@lewiskirk8289]

The Timaeus is not one of the easiest dialogues to understand. I made a video about where to start with Plato. Maybe you could start there 🙏

[@91jmixes40]

@@lewiskirk8289 Well I've read several dialogues already, Republic, Alcibiades, Ion... but this one wasn't really a dialogue at all, and it just felt like Timaeus was making stuff up 😂

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[@jwink7795]

3pic story.. . . . .

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[@tinocogin4570]

join two of these triangles along the hypothe et ic k le of it at the point of poingy join three of the two to four m the equi laughable trifangle of in maginary space from the empty enf of the new fangle fuzz a bit of cat fur into amberish eze is stance rinse repeat as ken kesey was so kind to kick around the bus full of ideas

[@Mellabellaluna]

50:17 chevron deference ? 😂