Was the Tic Tac UFO human-made or alien-made technology? | David Fravor and Lex Fridman

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[@nige12]

Personally I think its just nice to hear David Fravor speak without Jeremy Corbell interjecting with his ramblings.

[@Sanchez981]

Amen

[@Akid0Kag3]

He talked for a total of maybe 10 minutes in a 3 hour interview. The commander even thanked his for saving him from rambling. Jfc, if you're gonna hate the guy make it make sense.

[@tagsvdevonshire]

It seems like jermey is the type of guy that would be on top of a building waving to the aliens when they come like that scene in the movie Independence Day lol

[@mrAnderson57]

not a fan of his either.

[@pawlpoche8736]

Corbell is weird beard guy!

[@c.s.804]

I can't believe tic-tac mints never used this in marketing

[@sneezing1957]

ikr they could just brand tic tac on the side and fly them

[@johnbee4557]

💯

[@BIGREDDOG09]

if you'd seen the way they run their factory's you would know how such an opportunity slipped through their greedy little hands

[@dragonmartijn]

Because it are flying Minions!

[@Pfromm007]

If these tic-tacs turned hostile, that wouldn't be great for marketing.

[@alithejumbo]

David Fravor is a brave man! Not afraid to speak his mind. He clearly says that it is not a man-made thing. My respect, skipper!

[@Seth_Peterson]

For an intellectual type coming out as a UFO believer would be one of the scariest things you could do

[@alithejumbo]

@@trapishdubster4675 Nee, this David

[@alithejumbo]

@@Seth_Peterson Truth needs bravery. Those who are scared of it need to take a step back and let the brave ones let it out to the world.

[@lsmith6378]

We are far more advanced than i thought.

[@JT0007]

Dude wants to remain relevant. He’s saying whatever he needs to.

[@BrunoSkiba]

Fraber is the most compelling and fascinating interviewee in recent history. I love every one of his interviews, especially on the JRE. It's like you can see his logical mind thinking through his responses. It takes a good interviewer to draw out good information too.

[@alvinhaglund5811]

how is that a good interviewer? that guy seems sedated at best. also guys like fravor arent immune to human misinterpretation. combine that with faulty sensors and you get "the most compelling ufo case in modern times". hard evidence my ass. and i say that as an absolute ufo addict since earliest youth

[@jessewallace12able]

They are in the ocean.

[@rapprelevant333]

Dont worry eventually with global warming we will be in the ocean aswell.

[@insidejah9293]

News Flash: The whole universe is an ocean. Our atmosphere is a fluid! We are incubated as babies in a womb full of fluid. Our bodies are 70% water. The biggest secret in AstroPhysic today is that Dark matter is a Fluid/liquid, they call it "Bulk Viscous matter". It is probably Super Fluid Helium or something along those lines. Long story short we are in an aquarium that is inside a fish bowl that is inside an ocean.

[@rapprelevant333]

@@insidejah9293 that's good info

[@gnetwork88]

@@insidejah9293 hey bro I agree 100% please email me about this... My email is [e-mail]

[@rapprelevant333]

@Zeek Banistor No I do not buy that but I will say that AOC is super hot, so in a way, she without knowing is contributing to the warming of our planet

[@savtraffic]

Future high school history class on a field trip maybe.

[@williamjordan5554]

Yes, or future humans trying not to interact and mess up the timeline.

[@SugarRayTaylor]

My personal favourite fun theory.

[@savtraffic]

@@williamjordan5554 Let's hope not. The simple fact of them coming back would.

[@montys420-]

@@williamjordan5554 thats been proven recently that the "paradox" cannot and will not stop happen!

[@montys420-]

Why would humans from the future need to have a "intercept" with an F/A18?? for history? They could see all that on the futures version KZbin! Plus time travelers wouldn't hang out in space "come down" and then "back up again"??

[@frankmarshall3313]

Advanced human and Alien technology may be one and the same

[@34ey5drift8]

or prehistoric human who went to space and came back later evlovd into aliens cause we dont see them as humans

[@ClintCurtis]

Humans travelling back from the future...explains why they haven’t made contact. Interesting to ponder 🤔

[@iandixon7641]

@@ClintCurtis Someone must of made a flux capacitor.In all seriousness Einstein said time travel was only possible one way but I can’t remember if he meant you can go forward or back.Let me know if you can remember his quote.

[@BaronSaturday66]

@@iandixon7641 Forward

[@iandixon7641]

@@BaronSaturday66 Ok cheers.

[@MrJay-ud9gk]

Need Bob Lazar and Fraver in the same room

[@miketabacco5436]

God no

[@Crooklyn7]

Without corbell there😂

[@damyr]

That'd be just dull. Their experiences/stories have nothing in common, except in some general sense of the UFO topic.

[@RolandAshcroft]

It happened I think way before your comment was made, I am not sure where to find it, George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell made it happen and it was a very interesting conversation .

[@TruthHasSpoken]

@@Crooklyn7 Exactly. Keep him far away from Lazar and the whole conversation.

[@arturoyanez9164]

From the way he explains it, it sounds like it’s a friendly A.I. From a friendly civilization

[@zach3955]

or they’re scouting drones compiling data for an evil civilization while they wait to invade?

[@Galactic_JS]

@@zach3955 Who's to say they havent already invaded thousands of years ago and integrated into the societies of many old civilizations and modern ones.

[@ksumnol3]

@@Galactic_JSwhy would they play the game slow when they could wipe us out with a snip of their fingers

[@Galactic_JS]

@@ksumnol3 Because, if they can get us to fight amongst ourselves through means of simple brainwashing and divide and conquer tactics, not only can they mine our resources without our interjection, but they can keep us preoccupied and rule us from the shadows without doing any real work

[@ksumnol3]

@@Galactic_JS If they can space travel these distances they are not thinking in these simple human tactics. If these are aliens we are nothing than ants to them

[@wakeupNeo_]

perhaps it was some kind of drone from the mother ship

[@JacobDMorrison88]

That’s what I believe. We send drones/probes, why wouldn’t they do that too?

[@FragensteinVG]

Gravity based drone?

[@wakeupNeo_]

@Zeek Banistor I used the word 'perhaps' to indicate I'm speculating. Using one's imagination. A little bit of fun, you know. Perhaps English is not your first language.

[@wakeupNeo_]

@Zeek Banistor your comment history tells me you are spending your time attempting to belittle others on youtube which tells me more about you than the people you're attempting to insult. Of course a fool doesn't know he's a fool. Good day to you, sir.

[@wakeupNeo_]

@Zeek Banistor you think I can't see your comment history. LOL.

[@manojkale4408]

The most excited thing was that underwater ( submerged) anomaly where the tictac ufo was hovering, its probably was bigger mothership and once tictac noticed jet interference at that spot it's tried to shifts the pilots focused from that submerged thing.

[@cameronpalmer401]

I’m surprised no one thought or spoke about this theory yet.

[@LOLMAN22]

Very interesting theory

[@tonygunk1886]

David is the reason I truly believe we are dealing with something incredibly beyond our abilities! Thank you Sir to come out and let this story be known.

[@johnbee4557]

so you believe a government official who’s job is espionage 🤦🏽‍♂️ wake up my friend aliens don’t exist.. we have proof ... it’s called no proof

[@aivaraspetrikas15]

Bob Lazar is another interesting case

[@jsnel9185]

@@johnbee4557 I dont know John, this reveal made me actually decide to take it a bit more seriously. Might I reccomend Out of the Blue, made in 2012? I tend to be very skeptical, and the amount of obfuscation around the issue is great, but that particular documentary has very interesting information. It does not attempt to stray to far past the evidence. And dude, there is quite a bit of evidence.

[@jsnel9185]

@@johnbee4557 and "no proof" is not proof of anything. You have no proof that they ARENT aliens, so by your own logic they must be since there is no proof they arent. This is the slippery slope of assumptions. The first one you make that is wrong ruins every other decision down the road. Best to say "I dont know" and keep an open mind while maintaining a healthy level of skepticism.

[@johnbee4557]

J Snel There has never been any proof ever of the existence of anything extraterrestrial and thousands of leaders scientists academics etc concur and agree on that fact and yet we all also agree our own government is anywhere from 30 to 80 yrs more advanced than they tell the public ( all national record).. so you can continue this ranting but i go based off of logic

[@JIMJAMSC]

Former pilot/Line Manager. The "Tic Tac" is really not that uncommon it is just most don't report it. I have seen "it" numerous times S of KSSC while cutting through the bombing range when not active. Both were from the air and once was while I was on the ground. This was approx 7 -10 years ago. Flat white, roughly the size shape of a Lear 25 with no wings or tail. Did not see any "otherworldly" maneuvers other than the ground sighting where it was easily M1 + and made no sound. On one visual we reported it to ATC who responded no mil activity in the area. 2nd time we were told to maintain vis sep. I worked for the SC Aeronautics Comm and know of many sightings. We have all seen various UAVs which are a lot more common than many realize and probably one over your city as I type.

[@bodystomp5302]

Interesting, thanks for posting that.

[@KcKeegan]

@@ophello bit harsh I'd say. These people are under the thumb for the most part. To disobey orders/go against your boss.. could mean job loss. Many people have collateral unfortunately, dus make the selfish choice, but in a capitalist society, can you really blame them? I mean they did go university for how many years, possibly worked their way out of debt and now trying to make something for themselves and their family. The system has us by the balls, to speak out is to risk "everything"

[@thetonycam3944]

For real? What do you think are those things

[@Gammico]

What do you think these things are?

[@michaelpegram3683]

Was it in the Poinsett MOA or was it further south closer to the VOR? I fly out that way a good bit so i'll definitely be keeping my eyes open and looking for things that seem out of place.

[@damdampapa]

Hey Lex, why don't you take over Joe Rogan's audience? He's going to Spotify and you're not loopy. Love your channel!!

[@the.shotgun.approach]

Agreed, Rogan has been going down hill since episode 1000. He doesn't challenge the nutty people like he use to. Instead he changes his beliefs based on who's sitting across from him.

[@damdampapa]

@@DeuPKay Funny. I work for the Red Cross. We're workin on it.....

[@damdampapa]

@@kirdnehh of course it is.

[@damdampapa]

@Gorilla Gaming That's the DMT doin its thing....

[@visitthebravenewnormaldotc5436]

Lex is the new Joe. I'm DONE with Joe Rogan, and his douchey new California looking studio, his backstab abandonment of friends being MeToo'ed and his terrible guests recently like those dumb comic sluts a few weeks ago.

[@AshtonCoolman]

I watched the whole 4 hour interview. I enjoyed when he talked about people trying to debunk these professional military pilots and tell them what they saw. It's like some guy off the street telling Lewis Hamilton how to drive his Formula 1 car.

[@justinc4924]

The math doesn't lie from mick west.. Occams razor would suggest that this is definitely a human made aircraft and not one from outer space

[@vegandinner7852]

JohnnyNismo ....or tell Eddie Van Halen how to play the guitar....

[@andrewchirot9998]

your name horribly wrong. Try again low iq

[@victos-vertex]

That analogy doesn't hold up. Situation 2 is a layman telling a professional - driver (a person that drives) - how to drive. Thus it is directly concerned with the act the professional person performs frequently and is trained in. Situation 1 is a layman telling a professional - pilot (a person that flies) - what they saw. Thus it is concerned with the - visual perception - of phenomena a professional - flyer (aka pilot) - has seen, not with the aspect of flying. A millitary pilot, while trained to identify targets, neither is infallible, nor necessarily involved in potential top secret constructions. On top of all that this is nothing but argumentation from authority which is a logical fallacy. I'm not saying either camp is right, I'm just stating that this kind of argumentation is flawed. If we used it in science then we wouldn't be able to advance, because in science you actually try to "debunk" the "authorities", including yourself, as best as you can. Scientists don't just try to confirm their theories, they try hard to break them.

[@user-kf7kp6ev4t]

@@justinc4924 There was never evidence to prove that the UFO David Fravor saw was man-made.

[@dianne11ca]

The suit, the voice, the probing questions; all that is missing is the fedora and sunglasses for a perfect MIB.

[@pepperjack6749]

This guy is so cool. Literally, the world’s top most expert professional observer. His debrief started the moment he saw it and every recounting is as close to unbiased observation as is possible. He’ll be in history books.

[@TheGuitarislove]

Did you comment the same exact thing on two diff vids?

[@tarasantistevan6725]

I've seen that thing myself. More than a few times. The first time it was practically on top of the roof of my mothers apartment building. Guys, this thing was insane. There were no wings, no blades, no moving parts, nothing. -Nothing-. It made no sound. It is literally like a huge hovering/"flying" tic-tac. It stuck around for quite a while, then suddenly shot off insanely fast.

[@OnlyRealUFOs]

Flying saucers kzbin.info/aero/PLEBS6PzPNC1SqRZzZrPDfPwjLxhiaUPE3

[@anthonyhudson3136]

this thing went from roughly 58,000 ft down to 50 above the sea in a split second

[@riverbankfisher]

Apparently, the starting point for that instantaneous descent was 80 thousand feet, a full six miles into deep space.

[@pikiwiki]

hearing people talk about UFO's makes me feel like all is right in the universe

[@roberthoule4504]

Go fuck yourself

[@pikiwiki]

@@roberthoule4504 why thank you for the invitation. I always like it when people invite me to special events. Hope your life is going well, buddi

[@sharksareneat8723]

Robert Houle Damn Robert, that’s a little harsh

[@user-kc2co9ob8m]

@@roberthoule4504 what`s wrong with you man?

[@pikiwiki]

@@sharksareneat8723 gotta agree. Makes you wonder just how old Robert's life is going

[@wildbillslunksauce7621]

Glad some of this is finally coming to light; my grandfather is very pissed that they took this long to say anything. He saw a craft while flying over the pacific in 1962. Shiny metallic object, lights, straight up and down and side to side movements. Impossible speeds. Followed them for a while. Eventually got debriefed and had to sign something.

[@claudiusboasman3681]

This guy and the other professionals that witnessed the event is what really gives this story credibility.

[@julianrosch4488]

Maaan, this is great!

[@delfingarcia8590]

Good and well said from the one answering, logically explained!

[@JohnJ469]

One thing to remember is when this started as a major thing, the 1950s. Nuclear war was a very real possibility and threat and we in the West (and the Soviet Union) were relying on our military forces to defend us from attackers. Can you imagine panic if the USAF or the RAF issued a statement that in effect said: "Unidentified craft are entering our national airspace. We don't know who they are. We don't know where they're from. We don't know who owns or operates them. And we can't intercept them, catch them or shoot them down. Good luck and have a nice day." 1950 is only 12 years after the Orson Welles radio broadcast that scared the crapper out of everyone so being concerned about panic is not a far fetched idea. Aliens and Sci Fi was a thing for the kids or just silly. "Forbidden Planet" was still 6 years in the future, the first big budget and generally accepted science fiction movie. The military HAD to lie to prevent panic. Now come forward 60-70 years. Can we really expect the top brass to issue a statement like: "Hello everyone. This is just to inform you that we've been lying to you for the last 60 years about UFOs. They are real and we apologise for ruining the lives of the people we made look like conspiracy kooks and nutters. There really was a conspiracy where we lied incessantly for 60 years. But we're telling you the truth now. Really and truly. Cross my heart. And by the way; We still don't know who they are. We still don't know where they're from. We still don't know who owns or operates them. And we still can't intercept them, catch them or shoot them down. Good luck and have a nice day." Put yourself in the shoes of the generals both then and now and you can see how it might have played out.

[@ethanrom22]

Exactly. Well put. The nuclear bombings put Earth on the “radar” for any advanced alien-life in our galaxy. I believe we have one maybe two alien species on our planet who have been here for a very long time and there is still plenty of places for them to hide, deep under the oceans.

[@JohnJ469]

@@ethanrom22 Frankly that wouldn't surprise me. The eyewitness accounts have been going on for centuries.

[@ethanrom22]

@@JohnJ469 the mainstream notion that the aliens should just touchdown on the lawn of the White House or make their presence known is actually kinda ridiculous. Look at how we observe the plains of Africa, the apes, we don’t go running up to them and try to communicate with them. They know from our history we are a waring species, we are scared of the unknown, I believe they are observing us and now and then we spot them.

[@JohnJ469]

@@ethanrom22 I think so. The funny thing is that some expect them to land openly while even our own sci fi writers have stories about why they wouldn't necessarily do that. Robert Silverberg wrote "The Watchers" and there was a Star Trek Next Generation episode about the Federation watching a less developed civilisation. I think "The Watchers" might be the idea. Two or more societies watching and waiting for us to be ready for contact. For ages 1 ship from each would be enough to watch the planet. But after radio and nukes more were needed and with radar we saw them more often. I know we like to think we are ready for contact, and I think a lot of individuals are, but politically speaking getting access to their tech would be like handing guns and aircraft to medieval kingdoms. Genghis Khan with tanks, oh goody.

[@ethanrom22]

@@JohnJ469 and actually I’m not even sure if they are strictly observers, when you read/hear about the several eye witness cases(that we know of)like the 1967 Malmstrom nuclear missile base incident where several glowing spherical UFOs hovered around the base and then shutdown the missiles for several hours! The Captain incharge of launching the missiles said it was complete pandemonium at the base, trained military officers running around panicking he said. The CIA the next day threatened everyone at the base with prison time if they ever spoke about it. And this kind of thing also happened in the former Soviet Union as well, they disarmed their nukes. This is from Russian state official documents. We are completely defenseless if they so choose to mess with us..

[@brettdillon9554]

I've never seen this interviewer before but he seems like a badass and a very intelligent person. Like another person said he needs a podcast. His seriousness in this does well.

[@skmo7072]

Interesting that both Fravor and Lazar talk about gravity based propulsion

[@TruthHasSpoken]

Fravor I am sure has watched tapes of Lazar.

[@therealdaftaida]

If aliens were coming here it would be most likely be an AI alien drone

[@arrezz2078]

Yeah that’s what I would assume, hearing what David said on how it moved so fast makes it seem like it would be a drone of some type. We don’t know if aliens would be able to or know how they would handle all that G force.

[@dietisgreat]

@@arrezz2078 don't be a bloody wanka

[@arrezz2078]

@@dietisgreat shut your bloody mouth you muppet

[@jonnyd13768]

@@dietisgreat why do YOU think he's a wanka for saying that? 🤔 ... im interested 👍😉

[@ElonizuMuskamoto]

The question is, if beings were inside some of these crafts, would the gravitational field that they are within handle g forces different or even make them feel any force? I’m curious

[@the.shotgun.approach]

I wish Fravor wasn't so concerned with concluding it's "little green men." I would bet everything it is extraterrestrials. I've been arguing that theory for over a decade while many people laughed in my face. The bottom line though is that it's not just the Tic-Tac incident. All we need is for 1 of the MANY UFO incidents to be real. If the only UFO story was this one, it would be fairly easy to discount it, although the evidence is undeniable.

[@asanti3748]

The Phoenix lights, best UFO siting with the most consensus and viewers including a government official that became a believer after witnessing that event with multiple people with in their circle at that moment.

[@bodystomp5302]

And even weirder, there's a good chance more than one ET species is observing us. What else explains such dramatic physical differences in UFOs?

[@theotormon]

If there are thousands of sightings and if we could say that 99% are fake, that wouldn't raise the likelihood that the remaining 1% are real. It would just show that reality produces many false positives.

[@jjp81]

ungratefulmetalpansy 😂😂😂😂

[@infiniteicarus85]

Just because it's not human doesn't immediately mean it's ET there are tons of stories of other intelligent beings existing on this planet, so far we only KNOW life has developed here, it would seem the immediate jump should be that there's something else here that is smarter than us or further along their tech evolution than us at least. Immediately assuming advanced non human tech comes from off planet seems to be a really counter intuitive jump that almost everyone makes.

[@tavferry3301]

God damn... I love this stuff. I wish Lex would interview lt. Graves.

[@kevund16]

Now that is the right Question to Ask !

[@nobadimes]

Thank you so much Please keep up the good work Awesome

[@A-Day-in-the-Life-of-Pepper]

It was a huge promotion from TicTac

[@barbaraaurier5672]

Keep it going!

[@richardzakosky9040]

Right on for speaking from the heart and soul

[@rayandreapittman7251]

I was driving came to a full stop. It some how knew I was there abruptly spun 25 degrees as in a clock approached me and my girl but at a safe distance studied me/ us confidently turned back in the direction it was originally facing and WALKED away giving off extreme heat causing palm leave to sway almost like a wind blowing them.

[@robertchflynn]

Nice fantasy...

[@ryanfdg4127]

My guess is an unmanned AI controlled drone from some other advanced civilization

[@1TakoyakiStore]

People seem to be overlooking the Skybeast theory for UFO's and it makes me sad. It's either highly advanced government craft or aliens with everyone. There are other alternatives.

[@WhirlOmar]

Why was the interview cut abruptly at the end?

[@mr.niceguy3178]

Because it's just a part of a 4 hrs interview

[@8dascool8]

It might be humans from the future. If they can manipulate gravity, they can probably manipulate time since the two or interconnected through the fabric of space time. This would also explain why they would not communicate with us. They might not want to overly effect the past, just observe it.

[@dragonmartijn]

But what are they doing in the middle of the ocean or desert?

[@idurisu930]

@@dragonmartijn maybe thats just when their cloaking device is not active

[@richardvelasquez4996]

maybe theyre communicating with the wales ?

[@user-kf7kp6ev4t]

Why do you think it's a time traveler? You never liked the idea of extraterrestrial beings visiting our blue planet?

[@honestal2684]

If you understand magnets gravity and liquid mercury you can make a UFO

[@makesmefeellikeatalltree8250]

liquid mercury pools found in two archeological sites. One in china and one in SA or Mexico, can't remember.

[@HaiLHaiLHaiLo]

I'm intrigued. Please continue...lol

[@oscarlohens8586]

@@HaiLHaiLHaiLo They never do, do they?

[@rastiga9196]

Have you ever seen a projected picture of magnetic dipoles? They go every which way and sideways, pretty much impossible to predict without a quantum computer so you may want to study that too along with engineering, machining, physics, chemistry, metallurgy, programming amongst many other things.

[@williamcollins4082]

Saw one on electrified mercury an read of Nazi Red Mercury an the Bell . Plus several accounts of captured Nazi Craft ... So we (government) is aware !!! An have a more modern version used last in Desert Storm !!!

[@jesset4870]

We need more people like David fravor and Lex in the world👍👍 it’s nice to hear people have a conversation and not have to sift through the BS

[@ingebrecht]

Hey lex what do you think of I2p?

[@matthewedwards7410]

I have also wondered what Fravor mentions toward the end regarding, "What if it's a drone?". For years, many have speculated that there must be "beings" inside driving these space crafts, and I'm not so sure that is the case. I think that any civilization that has developed this sort of technology has certainly been through advancements in A.I. technology, etc., not to mention things we don't even know about and likely cannot comprehend. For example, our primitive brains are already theorizing about (possibly someday) uploading our consciousness into a computer simulation. Now, whether that will ever happen is a different story. That said, what if the "tic-tac" IS the alien?!? Or even a biological/technological hybrid??

[@xmidgewon736]

Could be true

[@Gammico]

I'm sure some are "unmanned" and some are piloted. It doesn't have to be just one or the other.

[@hardyhousinger7426]

makes me think of van neuman probes. named after a mathematician who came up with self replicating drones in order to explore the universe. send them to asteroids where they can mine for resources to self-replicate and assign some drones to exploring and some to move on to other asteroids to repeat the process. this would result in exponetial growth and ultimately a very efficient if not the most efficient way to explore the universe. really intriguing concept.

[@alfeinstein4168]

I believe Luis Elizondo said in an interview that some hi-def photos of UAP's show occupants.

[@buzzlightyear1191]

i think it was Tom Cruise flying the tic tac by the seat of his pants

[@wulphstein]

You might be able to store some gravitational potential energy in the quantum entanglement of two photons. You could centrifuge each of the photons to "charge up" the entanglement with gravitational potential energy.

[@jhwhthemerciful]

True, also when the entanglement splits depending on the Heisenberg principle both particles will lose its gravitational energy by means E=mc2 towards an anti gravity field directed 90degrees between both previously entangled particles. That explains the ufo's form.

[@JWRay-xh9wl]

This is all because of 1941 when we initiated the creation and testing of atomic explosions as a weapon. There's almost no activity before that. We created an energy burst that sent a signiture wave into space that showed something artificial was created. Every radioactive material we play with has a natural signiture. When we manipulate that material a different set of signiture is created when that material is used as energy. My feeling is quantum signature was created and we waved a flag all around us that somebody was playing with nuclear materials. And they traced the source back here. And started examining us,our materials,our technologies,our purpose in doing so. Both exploratory and an assessment of a threat...us.

[@JohnJ469]

Reports of activity go back centuries, but that doesn't mean you're wrong. Robert Silverberg wrote "Those Who Watch" back in 1967 where aliens from a crashed ship are hidden by various people until the rescue. There were two opposing Civilisations? Alliances? who were watching Earth for ages. No contact, just 1 ship each, waiting for us to become advanced enough to talk to. WW 2 came with the development of the A Bomb and so the observation was stepped up until there were a hundred ships or so from each side. Occasionally something would go wrong and humans would see the ships and report "UFOs". It could be that sort of situation, waiting for us to grow up enough to be worth contacting. Silverberg's book is still a good read, a bit dated in parts but it's mostly about personal interactions and so holds up well for being over 50 years old.

[@JohnJ469]

@Mike J I disagree. They knew exactly what they were. The interesting part is that until the early 20th Century the West had no problems with the idea of aliens at all. Martian Canals in the 1890s, Batmen on the Moon in 1835. In 1897 it was reported quite matter of factly that a craft had crashed near Aurora Texas and the pilot was buried in the local cemetery. Here's a scan of the April 19th article in the Dallas News 1897. www.ufocasebook.com/haydonarticle.jpg So what changed?

[@donnaAmatore]

I get what David is saying, for such a giant leap forward there would be evidence of the iterative steps required to get to this point, in perhaps other lesser innovations.

[@LG123ABC]

But technology doesn't always work that way. When we got the nuclear bomb it was pretty much one big leap. One day nuclear bombs didn't exist and they next day they did.

[@poochie81]

@@LG123ABC manhattan project 1939-1946

[@HaiLHaiLHaiLo]

@@poochie81 and they had been theorized for some time before that.

[@spendsshanks6050]

@@LG123ABC Wrong

[@olebilly]

Its the craft Bob Lazar worked on... They just finally figured it out..

[@JB-fr2qh]

Lazar is a complete fraud.

[@TyrellWellickEcorp]

Bob Lazar is a lying scumbag

[@juergenarkham108]

Lazars so called "element 115" technology cannot be proven as right by modern science and modern chemistry, therefore it is complete rubbish

[@janebeatty9472]

That was a great interview with Commander Fravor. You both touched on physics and flying jets, as well as, these devices that defy gravity and the Laws of Physics.

[@SnailHatan]

Nothing about these defies the laws of physics.

[@EDMcIntoshBrocher]

It's always a question of materials - would a superconductor craft be able to navigate our magnetic field? If so, would it have to be aerodynamic?

[@TruthHasSpoken]

Bob Lazar explained all this starting 30+ years ago.

[@proph9916]

Facts

[@rickpontificates3406]

I did hear one surprising fact about the recent Navy UFO encounter. The “UFO” hovered over the landing pad on a ship.. almost like the US was practicing landing its own new technology on a ship 🤔

[@FinznFowl82]

If the military was practicing, and testing these highly classified new "drones", why would they test them around a bunch of civilians where something could go wrong and blow the cover?

[@lukewormholes5388]

i agree it's likely human technology. just seems like aliens advanced enough to reach earth would either announce themselves immediately or completely hide themselves from us. like if they made it all the way here they're not going to like make a mistake and let them see us for a split second, right? clearly they're advanced enough to always be invisible to us. if they wanted us to see them, it would be a super obvious announcement

[@dennisb119]

Anti gravity is similar to two opposing magnets.

[@philipcallicoat3801]

He's a true warrior... Didn't know what he was chasing and had no weapons to defend himself...Yet,he stayed with it until it was gone. Thanks for your service,sir..🇺🇲

[@WoeWoeWoe]

Heck ya

[@missumenimsatanass]

Something was just found in a cave in a small town in Southern Kentucky called Monticello. Ky sits atop ALOT of caves and the ones in the Southern part of the state go VERY DEEP underground! There's been alot of crazy things thats been going on in that area. This town also sits rt next to the infamous Daniel Boone National Forest. Its the place where many have just vanished into thin air without a trace. Its the place where the 2 police officers that was responding to a domestic call came up on what they said was a muscular man but had a dogs head. They got out of the car and it leaped the guard rail and vanished. I read that many say that this area is where the moth man and black eyed children are coming from. Like one of the many deep caves in Southern Kentucky houses an entrance to hell. Also, just last year 2 fisherman that was in their boat on the man made lake there watched 3 large ufos enter the water there where they stayed for around 8-10 mins. They exited and hovered just above the water for a few seconds then shit straight up into space in the blink if an eye. When i was doing a bit of homework on the lake I found out that it was built by the government. One of the largest man made lakes in the country. So whats at the bottom? This area has always been interesting to me because for some reason I always rem hearing about things that have gone on there. It started when I read about some teens back in 1972 finding what they said was some type of stargate. It resembled the stargate in the movie and TV show. Of course those hadnt even been made yet since it was 1972. Maybe that where they got the idea when designing the gate for the show...all i know is something is def going on there. Something special about that place but what?

[@namedrop66]

Ya know, sometimes the comments are just superior. We've never met and we will most likely never meet, but I had the opportunity to listen to you tell a story that was really interesting based on your experience on this earth. This is why I love KZbin. Thanks for the comment.

[@brdklt]

This was really interesting

[@Gregatseasonalsteins]

Maybe focus on one or two things that you touched upon and look into them further. You might have or be on to something there.

[@bobspizza7444]

Very interesting I now gotta do some research. Thanks

[@phillipblacklock2615]

yes anything shitting into space has got me concerned.

[@lemmykilmister185]

We need a podcast of Lex, David Fravor , Bob Lazar and a couple cases of beer.

[@romainfgs4982]

As engaging as ever!

[@andrewskratt9552]

u gotta love lex he asks all the right questions and he is a good listner

[@alexzubko2403]

Thanks Lex and David! If this is all true, I think it's incredible, especially if they're reports of non-human technology, or even more. IMO It's probably not gravity based propulsion - too much effect on all other local objects (bodies). The craft can move as if they're inertialess - changing speed and direction like a laser-dot on a wall. If the inertia of the craft is shielded or canceled somehow it wouldn't be able to reflect photons (but still able to emit them) and would perhaps be able to move through various media only impeded by the energy requirements, not the physical material. Changing direction could also happen unimpeded - but could perhaps be em-field-based if inertia isn't an issue (as opposed to gravity propulsion issues). However, I think whatever is within the craft would still be exposed to extreme fields, forces, temperatures, and pressures. It's easy for me to imagine that there's not a non-engineered biological pilot inside. The tech knowledge and energy requirements are astounding to account for that kind of motion and behavior. It may even be sentient. Perhaps it uses high energy quantum field effects to generate its motion/capabilities. Joe Scott did a video on quantum inertia. Maybe Wolfram's latest work has something someone can work with. I watched Thunderf00t's debunking video (great channel) a while ago - if I remember correctly the eye-witness accounts were not addressed. Better hard evidence would be very helpful.

[@alexzubko2403]

@Asperigo As recently as a few years ago I dismissed the light-ball accounts as ball-lightning, bad-eyes, or head-trips. I just couldn't reconcile the notion of manipulating inertia with what I know about physics. But since I see qualified people studying specialized quantum effects (quantum vacuum, casimir effect, entanglement, etc.) along with these seemingly unimpeachable accounts, it's more plausible to me that it might best explain the physics of the motion. @nagauldesign I only meant to speculate about how something could move the way it was described. It very well may be human tech and if it is - outstanding! Speculating further on what humans might use it for doesn't particularly interest me. I'm sure very smart, qualified, and responsible people control the tech and would never misuse it (!). It may very well be non-human tech (and looks strongly like it is non-human imo). As far as what their intent is check out Isaac Arthur or Event Horizon (JMG) - they do a good job fleshing out scenarios imo. All I know is that with the capabilities on display (showboating aliens?), I'm not sure worrying about how they would dominate or just sterilize a planetary body is worthwhile. If I were to wax poetic I would say they are benign probes looking to observe and document new and novel technologies and their application. If I were to worry I would say that ancient (but local) von neumann probes are interested and on alert that with nuclear tech in hand, we're close to creating artificial sentience while rapidly expanding our abilities to exploit space (not quite 200 words). @N Thank you - I watched. Glad to see people officially organizing. Skepticism should be the default position and I'm glad they look for fraud and hoax motives. I'm not onboard with some of their philosophical ideas but am able to be convinced. For me, falsifiability is key.

Ive reported your comment for being too long and boring

[@WillowTube]

Since there was so many other credible people involved in the witnessing of this either live or on radar an attempt should be made to help the others realise how important it is they all get together to tell their story for the rest of us. It may add further credit to the story to have multiple people share their angle of the story

[@shadymcnasty5920]

A few of them came out and told their story. The radar operator that day has an interview

[@zackjoubert5207]

The fact the it did "what he would have done" tells me that it was an American pilot in secret craft.

[@cuthere8896]

And even if it is an earthly pilot - why would he react like that? It's sounds like someone is making fun of us, if it's a human or an alien being.

[@robingoodrick4876]

Experienced guys telling us this is real!!!! Why even question!!!...

[@draytond]

I think Lex is a better than Joe Rogan as an interviewer and podcast host: his questions are a lot more intelligent and he lets the guests finish their point rather than interrupting to suggest they start doing jiu jitsu or ask if they've done DMT.

[@scottwilkins5379]

I'm on the opposite end. Lex has a very dry personality ,drags his questions out and seems to have trouble putting his thoughts to words.

[@draytond]

@@scottwilkins5379 Agree, but I think sometimes the longer questions add some more context for the interviewee (for me especially because I don't have a physics background) and interviewer. Loads of other podcasts have a soundbite-y style to help their clips go viral - I guess this is the audio/podcast version of clickbait.

[@stuartsiglain3972]

The crafts are transmedium, which means that they can go from air into water and vice-versa. I have studied UFO’s for many years and I think that they have multiple dimensional spaces like 4 or 5 dimensions. That means that they can pop in and out of our world quite easily.

[@garyvahl7658]

The technology of jumping 80km in less than 2 seconds is technologically far beyond our current abilities.

[@imgonnastealyourgirl]

Unless it's some form of projection. But a solid thing? No.

[@FOXHOUND4143]

This might be from earth but it's not human. I heard an expert once say it's from beings who live inside the hollow earth. They are a few thousand years ahead of humans on the surface

[@mickmalkemus5019]

David is the Man. So many are reluctant to speak out about what they know for fear of reprisal.

[@MultiBikerboy1]

Mick Malkemus he’s been given the green light by the TTSA gang.

[@eliuloarte993]

That’s what kind a US government keeps the people scared The people need too man up & demand the truth

[@MultiBikerboy1]

Eliu Loarte the ‘Phil Larson declaration’ issued out by Obama needs to be overturned first.

[@collybeans586]

geez now I have to look up UAV..

[@chrismalais6374]

People want Star Wars to be real so bad they start to assume that aliens are responsible for everything. What he saw was advanced light/hologram technology.

[@TraderTimmy]

I’m skeptical of a highly trained set of pilots that didn’t flick a switch to turn on their head cams. Seems highly sketchy to me.

[@BootCampSpecimen]

But then however he got it on video anyway. Twice mind you. (gimble and go fast video). No sketchiness.

[@phillipblacklock2615]

Their minds were being blown at the time- cut them some slack.

[@STONERJORDAN423]

Oh he didn’t reach down and hit the switch 😹

[@russingram]

Lex should talk to Mike McCullough about quantized inertia, a possible theory that could allow UFO type propulsion

[@SuperToughnut]

Think of it like an camera in a realtime strategy game that is controlled by someone with a keyboard and mouse. The coordinate system is based on the players desk. We are little units in the game looking up at the virtual sky. How fast can you move your mouse in a game like that? The camera isn't propelled by something in game space. It moves based on the players space outside of the game. Zooming in and out with the mouse wheel. It's not rocket science; it's game mechanics.

[@shanemcdaniel1509]

The pilot sounds like he's beating around the bush kind of reminds me of Seth sostack from seti another just rambling on afraid.

[@rodstarcke5423]

If he absolutely declared it was extraterrestrial, certain persons would either call him crazy or send the Men In Black after him.

[@Gammico]

Yeah it really seems like he knows a lot more than he's letting off.

[@cryptocrush-823]

Lex, please interview Phil Mason aka, “Thunderf00t.” He does a pretty thorough job of debunking a lot of these videos. That aside...he would still be a fantastic guy to talk to.

[@ToastWarner]

Some sort of alien UAV? Ending on that note can be a little concerning lol

[@SparklesandBamboo]

I saw the tic tac up close in Arizona in 2004. It was made of an extremely organic material. It did not shine. I believe it was trying to camouflage itself as it was so close to the ground and town. It had an almost rust color. A little bubble on top. Silent. Hovered. Ran away from it so I can’t say how it moved.

[@Mr_Case_Time]

I think humankind will come and go without ever making contact with alien life.

[@maccagee693]

I think we have already made contact but we aren't going to be told the truth.

[@mcren6781]

Macca Gee nope, too much to lose for the capitalist and upper class who use it as leverage. If humans knew there was extraterrestrial life it would collapse our monetary system as their would be hysteria followed by a mass awakening.

[@Mr_Case_Time]

Mc Ren why do you think all of that would happen?

[@michaelgermanovsky1793]

There are plenty of aliens among us. Some of them are illegal.

[@pedrogudino1133]

When I was young I thought the future would be like Star Trek but now that I'm in my 40s and got a heaping helping of humanity I realized that its going to be like Mad Max.

[@Lunamere]

You could save so many lives with that that technology. Off the top of my head. Ambulances would no longer be needed. All the food we waste in America could be given to people in less fortunate countries. Cars would no longer ruin our environment. Firefighters would be on the scene in seconds. Police could save lives in seconds. Doctors could save tones of lives. We could do so much good, but I also know it could be abused because humans are foolish.

[@TheForce_Productions]

Nevermind, if they could get that technology would be used to make everything just like now but much morse worst. To put hopes in these people is a total waste of time and energy. Sorry for my negativity but was always that way, humans are evil and selfish, reality speaks by itself.

[@R2BMusicCH]

@@TheForce_Productions Not all humans are evil and stupid. Granted quite a few of the 1%ers and their gullible cultists are. But at least Leon Davis makes a few very beneficial suggestions. And he's not alone as a matter of fact.

[@kengause9259]

We have stories of flying butane tanks going back to the 1950s. Skunkworks and Area 51 at that time were developing the U2. Presumably that was the outer edges of mankind's aerial technology. Great plane but couldn't move like the Tic Tac.

[@Sportinglogic]

My first and last sighting was at about 2:50, 3:30 am in West-Seattle, 2006. It is consistent with these light-sighting.

[@timb4248]

It's mind blowing how many paranormal encounters happen around 3 am.

[@timclarkmain4561]

Bob Lazar explained this exact craft. Called it the sports model. Antigravity propulsion.

[@farhan022692]

@@spridle Shut the fuck up. A lot of what Bob said is coming to light. You're just a stupid skeptic.

[@tomben6180]

@@farhan022692 “Stupid sceptic”. What’s the opposite to a “stupid sceptic”? An “agreeable genius”?

[@codenamepower]

It is interesting to see people trying to debunk this entire encounter. Doing that is completely ridiculous. The government can literally initiate a nuclear launch or even war based on the information this man provides but regular people are like "nah. he was mistaken". This man is not only a trained and true combat pilot, he is also an instructor of other combat pilots. The fact that he is very well known and connected throughout the aviation and navy world shows that he is at least competent and respected within that community. With that being said, he was not sent out to prove the existence of aliens. He was sent out to confirm the presence of an unknown object that was picked up on radar and other extremely advanced intelligence gathering technologies. He accomplished his mission by not only visually acquiring said object, but also acquired it with some of the most advanced recon technology and aerial combat machines in the world. And even then it wasn't just him that acquired the target, it was almost an entire naval unit. Lastly, no David is not a scientist by any stretch. What he IS, though, is a subject matter expert on knowing advanced aerial capabilities with combative flying aircraft and identifying friendly and enemy targets that are on the ground and located in the air. He is also a subject matter expert on gathering intelligence from the air all while confirming the existence of whatever targets he is tasked with discovering. The fact the he confirmed the object's existence on multiple platforms, to include his own eyes, in reality is enough for anyone in charge to concur with his assessment and to further investigate. Aliens or not, what he saw was real. You now have video evidence of the encounter and eye witness testimony from an actual expert on the exact situation.

[@aadi2488]

When it moved super fast did it break the sound barrier? and make it visible that it broke the barrier????!!

[@RonPaul42069]

7:11 So what wouldn't be insane, to describe something like that UFO?

[@ChristopherReevesNZ]

Lex -> you are the alien mono-tone droid

[@basementbanter366]

its awesome when ur trying to fall asleep lol

[@dookiestain2086]

.... U can also use technology to keep a civilization down from coming up with you. Which is a type of segregation. Come on man

[@oscarlohens8586]

Yeah if all of this isn't just government disinfo, the most likely scenario would be a small breakaway government/civilization forming around the discovery of this technology some time around world war 2.

[@grenolf]

@@oscarlohens8586 or perhaps there is an ancient breakaway advanced civilization that discovered this tech thousands of years ago and has been hidden amongst us as a ruling class.. The immortals

[@jayworldjs]

Also, research Electrogravitics and the use of "borrowed negative energy to reduce mass."

[@bigolejuicycaawk]

I’ve seen a black triangle ufo 3 times already. First in person when I was around 6 years old, in my dreams a little after that incident, and now recently 21 years of age.. btw I saw it close this last time it was intimidating and breathtaking. Matter of fact my girlfriend pointed it out as we were outside in my front porch and I got up to see it.

[@SpiderF27]

I believe you. The triangle shaped one are very intimidating. I don't know why but they are!

[@delllong2432]

Its apparently rumoured TR-3b aircraft which many people have witnessed it. And its made by US. There's an interesting video on how the aircraft works and also a video on reddit which matches the description of that aircraft emitting plasma.

[@jerrypiper3936]

This is the highest I’ve ever seen him. Lol

[@Jamie-Russell-CME]

He asked my question!!!!

[@eugenechun4140]

I think to create something like the tic tac uap requires comprehension of magnetic fields, frequencies, magnetically sensitive materials, particle physics, photons, material interaction of space and physics, vortex magnetic fields to negate g forces, all sorts of clever designs and paradigm readjusting science fields and how those fields interact with certain materials...probably need to use various AI algorithms to work out the convoluted and multi factor technical problems...

[@rayandreapittman7251]

I seen one up close. Port Charlotte, FL

[@archamusdk1273]

hmmm i saw a UFO back in 2001 when i was in wisconsin, we watched shooting stars one night and saw what i thought was a sattelite moving across the sky. and suddenly it was like it hit a brick like a tennisball and moved the opposite direction and than accelerated. nothing that i know of can move like that in space. not that i know of. not even an object hitting the atmosphere bounces back 180 degrees and than accelerates. so must've been one of them gravity ships. but scares me that they've had that technology for soooo long and not shared it with us. which means were just being watched and kept in check i think.

[@samus598]

I saw something exactly like that as well. Looking up "oh cool look at that satellite it is really going fast!" Then boom, it stops in its tracks. Moves the other direction quickly, and disappears. Could be some light phenomenon or something, but my Mom and I both saw it and it sure didn't seem like anything that could happen from a meteorite or man made aircraft.

[@archamusdk1273]

@@samus598 excactly! and the fact that it accelerates and than dissipates means it would've gained speed and flown away in opposite direction. its so weird i wish i knew what the hell it was, but i think it has something to do with them gravity drives bob lazar is talking about. and maybe their just visiting us i mean if we had the same technology. we could zip across the galaxy like that we would visit other civilizations too. and take a peek.

[@vrglcom]

I see something like this but it didn’t stop and go opposite way, it just started curving to the left then after a few seconds it swerved to the right then it disappeared..

[@LuisGonzalez-gj8el]

I saw exactly that but with NVG's on (Night Vision Goggles) during an Army training in Camp Shelby, Mississippi. I was on top of the Humvee roof watching the stars with the NVG's, then out of the suthen I saw these star like objects moving slowly, then one of them made a 180 degree turn and accelerated to the opposite direction, just like a tennis ball would bounce off the floor. Oh and I cpuldn't see it with the naked eye, I only saw it with the NVG's. It happened last year.

[@archamusdk1273]

@@LuisGonzalez-gj8el that is so strange. it alsmost seems like its their normal way of propulsion. maybe like a build up? why would it have to bounce 180 and than accelerate? why not just stop or turn. i guess it would be the same as if someone had a horse carage and they had to turn. it would go very slow and with a car u can just spin the wheel and it turns imidietly. and than their technology just lets them do it without harm to the beings inside the craft coz of the gravity field around it ? i mean in any case if there were any living thing in there it would be dead with a dead stop like that and than accelerating the other way. it would be pancakes all over the wall. but not in their case.

[@allenroisen2386]

This comment section is quite...disheartening, if not flat out frustrating.

[@allenroisen2386]

@@bjornolfactory9363 If you look at the full podcast for comparison, its full of open minded smart people who are aware of Fravor's ethos, the mick west debunking which is addressed, the significance of what you see in those blurry videos, etc. The discussions are civil even among non-believers. Here it's full of people calling each other idiots, particularly people saying Fravor is a liar, even showing the mick west video as proof. I guess its just appropriate that the rude people are the ones with short attention spans watching clips instead of 4 hour long interviews where everything is discussed in detail.

[@allenroisen2386]

@@bjornolfactory9363 Although looking at it now, it has definitely mellowed out a bit since I posted that comment! Which is great to see!

[@gwills9337]

@@allenroisen2386 well said

[@bobuncle5159]

Allen Roisen well said .. mick West is a professional idiot in my opinion ..it’s hard to watch him try to explain it away

[@bobuncle5159]

MrBigtime1986 it was a craft from somewhere else as in not from this earth .. it’s not that hard to believe .. as Donald Trump says it is what it is

[@markusass]

Back in 2004, we were in a temporal paradox, and dealing with paradoxicals who shouldn't really be here, if you get my meaning. That's all in the past now.

[@tangkhulgeneral1352]

Tell me which aircraft have no propulsion or heat signature.