Lies, Deception, and ProJared - The Story of ProJared

[@JoonTheKing]

Correction #1 Screw Attack never contracted the Nostalgia Critic. Correction #2 The decision to buy the game store was not an impulsive decision it was an emotional one.

[@Lordidude]

You might have mistaken ProJared for the AVGN. ScrewAttack contracted the AVGN James Rolfe for two videos a month.

[@Sonicfalcon16]

Were you tempted to title this: The RISE and FALL and RISE again of projared

[@chancethrash]

@@Sonicfalcon16 HONESTY

[@Thrakus]

What did happen 4 months ago after his StarTropics vid? he always had 200k+ then 100k than 70k now 40k avg over days to now.

[@davedogge2280]

34:58 uh-oh

[@AlexEich]

As someone who followed Jared through it all back when he was on Screwattack, I remember the drama was insane in 2019 and I waited to see what Jared was gonna do...And...He lawyered up, got the receipts, and actually did a great job to prove his case....too bad the internet didn't want to even listen...

[@jervistetchMadHater]

Yeah he was really beaten up about it and I am glad I stuck by him and waited cause those reciepts really proved He is just a guy who was dragged through the mud. I am glad he keeps making video's and enjoys himself again. Edit :And I hate how Arin fucking treated him. Immidiatly acting like Jared was never a friend and deleting everything they had done togheter.

[@jacobs1834]

@@jervistetchMadHater never really liked Arin all that much anyway. He’s such a jerk.

[@xXSoulGeoXx]

The thing is He really didn't talk about the nude photos he send to unsuspecting minors, mostly it was about all the legal troubles involving his wife ( which she had the righ to he mad about ) while ignoring the terrible and illegal stuff out of the way ( people are happy because some were there for how his marriage would end, I honestly was mad that most people forgot about how he took advantage of his fans )

[@rorrim0]

@@xXSoulGeoXx if i remember correctly it was adressed? I think the incident your referring was when minors snuck in a NSFW space jared set up for him and his fans that were 18+ which people posted their nudes on. I think those minors went on to claim Jared specifically sent them nudes but i think they admitted this to be a lie or was proven to be a lie

[@AlexEich]

@@xXSoulGeoXx What? Jared did the opposite. His response was mainly about the allegations with minors because he has the most to lose legally in that scenario. And it's pretty clear he had no idea who these people were and it seemed they were just trying to latch onto the scandal

[@rustyshackleford2605]

Stories like this is why I'm convinced the online drama scene is a kind of blood sport for modern times. At the very least, it plays to out baser instincts of wanting to see people engage in a very public confrontation that will likely not end well for at least one of them, if not all of them.

[@lampini]

It absolutely is a blood sport as evidenced by how many KZbin commentators didn’t even question how correct any of the accusations were and just piled on the abuse and harassment

[@theactualTVB]

Hi Dale

[@rustyshackleford2605]

@@theactualTVB Joseph's father, I presume?

[@Ticklestein]

The ProJared drama, to me, opened the eyes that 90% of drama is BS, and you basically should ask “But did you file a police report for that?” before even contemplating forming an opinion.

[@Blisterdude123]

It's hardly limited to the internet. The internet just amplifies the noise and intensity of these kinds instincts toward cruelty humans can have. You see someone better off than you fall, some people get the urge to kick them while they're down, just because you've got an opening. It's definitely worse in the online space though. Here's the thing, that said, none of these online commentators are professional in any sense, they have no code of conduct to adhere to, no standard of behaviour. If punching down gets you those clicks and makes you money, they'll do it.

[@liesebeam8910]

This is such a huge case of drama that shouldve stayed private. Imagine if your breakup drama was being broadcasted on the internet, becoming popcorn entertainment to random people.

[@db_524]

Truer words have never been spoken.

[@dr3dg352]

Hearing "the tea is cold" made me so angry.

[@manporo5865]

Granted it was ProJared's own fault for posting the first story and blocking her. Had he not done either, this whole thing wouldn't have blown up as negatively as it did

[@Hitoshuratdn]

@@manporo5865 Nah it was actually Heidei that broke the news first on Facebook which held many of projared's family and friends.

[@manporo5865]

@@Hitoshuratdn it is literally mentioned on the video that Jared talked first...

[@ozzcoremidmx8287]

When ProJared released his rebuttal video he said something that made me feel really bad. He said that nobody came to him to listen his version and he looked empty and depressed, I saved that video since it has been unlisted since quite a while now

[@Jaydakin]

Yeah. The only person who really defended him was PBG, who then got bullied into apologizing for defending him

[@WillieManga]

That is the big takeaway, don't judge the outcome before all cards are on the table. And for the love of Ramuh, death threats only make people look worse so do not do that.

[@-lord1754]

PBG is the definition of a true friend. I think he stopped because they mustve had some kind of deal so he didnt get dragged down as well.@@Jaydakin

[@VidelxSpopovich]

You want to know something funny? The people that gathered all the hard evidence in his favor, the people who proved through countless hours of pixel measurements and pishing that he was in fact innocent of the accusations… yeah, that was the so called Internet Hate Machine Kiwifarms, who started out being very much against him by the way.

[@cyberius100]

It took me until this happened to learn this lesson

[@probablysomeone]

I think the part that pisses me off the most is that little to nobody apologized & it's no secret that to this day it's still something that affecting his channel.

[@rayvenkman2087]

They got egg in their face and they’d rather die on their hill than admit they were wrong. H3H3 comes to mind and Arin had always been a difficult guy to to keep a friendship with online, the amount of people who left Game Grumps after Jon’s departure vs Chris O’Neil’s says it all.

[@nothingsacred8684]

@@rayvenkman2087 Who is Chris O Neil? And really, Arin is known as being a hard guy to get along with?

[@Spider-Fan006]

Heidi is a compulsive lier and manipulator Jared is no better but Heidi is worse she lied to destroy Jared's career out of spite and keep on lying and not telling the whole truth I have a feeling she's the real threat here personally I don't trust anything she says because all her statements have proven to be false

[@DougerArt]

@@Spider-Fan006 "jared is no better but heidi is worse"

[@ActionJotaPe]

@@nothingsacred8684 Way too late but Chris is OneyNG, he was featured in many videos and even had his own show Doodle Doods in the channel with Ross, not familiar with the drama that happened there but i know i stopped watching the channel after he left

[@justcallmeleonardo]

I always hated people making fun of his looks instead of what he did. And when I realized he didn't really do anything then things got even worse feeling

[@VelvetAura]

that's always how it goes

[@glasshorse6893]

oh definitely the worst part. I remember that most from h3h3 shitting on him for looking "as pathetic as possible" in his return video when his ENTIRE LIFE had just fallen apart cause a few clout chasing people lied about their age to destroy his career and build a new one off it, like a tree getting invaded and ruined by mistletoe, he did all the work for them to reap the reward. I doubt a single soul on this planet would be able to handle that and not look like a wreck after

[@justcallmeleonardo]

@@glasshorse6893 Plus I always found it funny that H3 said this stuff. Mr. "Gym is a waste of time" could and has also been made fun of just like ProJared, which I'm sure didn't make him feel good. But if done on others? Nah it's funny then.

[@Zulk_RS]

While I did add my drop in the bucket of hate at the time (And I realize I was wrong), even then I never really got the hate on his looks. I always thought (and still do think) he looks pretty okay. I won't say he looks super gorgeous but he doesn't look ugly either. He just looks pretty okay. Like average or slightly above average to me.

[@xXSoulGeoXx]

He did share nudes though He defended himself about the 2 minors But that doesn't change the fact that his nudes were public in a blog full of his fans ( which honestly is creepy, and he should had known that at least )

[@kasumikat]

a reminder: having a poly/open relationship or having a child will NOT fix your relationship.

[@zawarudo1041]

especially having poly/open - it is just avoiding divorce and securing low-hanging resources under pretence of "exploring" or "spirituality" (whatever these buzzwords mean in modern Twitter/Tiktok vocabulary)

[@GrayD_Fox]

Poly just doesnt work

[@hes_alive]

You also can’t make a long-term poly relationship monogamous nor make a long-term monogamous relationship poly.

[@hes_alive]

@@GrayD_Fox Meh if you kind of like spending time with someone but fuck around, it works as you aren’t invested in it. Many people do this on the sly and just cheat, being poly is at least ethical.

[@JackisJack_]

@@GrayD_FoxI’ll never understand this mindset, as if poly relationships are just impossible to maintain. As opposed to the monogamous ones, more than 50% of which end in divorce?

[@Imperium83]

Ethan making fun of how anyone looks is peak irony.

[@bummerfriend]

He makes fun of himself all the time

[@xlixity]

@@bummerfriend As a shield. His self-insults are tame compared to the vitriol he launches at others.

[@bloosheee]

who is ethan?

[@Cats_N_Doodles2018]

@@bloosheee h3h3productions

[@TerminalM193]

​@@bummerfriend That in no way makes it okay or changes ops point on the irony... Ethan is pure SCUM!

[@Kyotosomo]

That situation was one of the most infuriating cancellations I've ever seen, really went to show what a cesspool Twitter is and how easily most KZbinrs will throw aside their morals if it means making a few extra bucks. I will never understand how people get so much joy out of dog piling on others and seeing their lives destroyed.

[@NeiasaurusCreations]

The thing is though, Jared created this situation as much as anyone. He had a nude blog where he didn't age verify ANYONE. He trusted the honor system. But if you look at his content, it'd be impossible to think he doesn't have a good chunk of children fans who are easily influenced. He was always going to end up getting or sending nudes to a minor because of how he operated. He got incredibly lucky that the minors he DID get nudes from, lied to him. But there is a key element here, he DID get nudes from minors. Showing just how bad his age verification was. And if he didn't think he could age verify, he probably should not have put himself into that position at all. Jared is the reason everyone saw his cock, and Jared is the reason he was even in a position these accusations could be made against him. He isn't exactly innocent, he just isn't a predator. But his neglect is equally as dangerous, and I hope he learned a lesson from this. Because I can't bleach the sight of his cock from my brain.

[@cosmicspacething3474]

I mean some of them do get swept up, and genuinely fall for this shit too, they’re also human after all…

[@Vojou345]

@@cosmicspacething3474 True they are, but at the same time you'd think the phrases "Don't jump to conclusions" and "Wait till all the facts are out" would cross many of their minds.

[@equestrianmidnight5619]

@@cosmicspacething3474 What the comment above this one said. They saw an opportunity for content and took it. Difference is, they did what a lot of other people did, except they're a little worse because their word carries. Good on PewDiePie for not buying into it completely and sticking to his guns.

[@HonkeyKong54]

Most youtubers are narcissistic a holes you who get addicted to attention. Especially in the drama youtuber side.

[@Annmjpg]

I swear, there was a trend in the mid-to-late 2000’s where there was so many sitcoms based around gaming culture online.

[@AnonYmous-wm6wq]

Name one

[@VenomSnakeMGS]

@@AnonYmous-wm6wq There was a nickeloden show around this time, that Projared was actually on for a few episodes.

[@raditzhoneyham]

@@VenomSnakeMGS that was in like 2011 or 2012 lol "gaming culture" being popular in media started around the 2010s for sure

[@GOTTA_RUN]

@@AnonYmous-wm6wq Game shakers was one from nickelodeon and gamers guide were two sitcoms about video games from Nick. They were both fucking horrible though. Disney also had a trend of making shows about video games and KZbinrs playing them

[@KalmoK]

Sitcoms...? No there wasn't... 😅

[@lafenetre9733]

Pro-tip: if someone ever claims to not give a shit about others’ physical appearances that are out-of-control, just take a look at how they talk about the people they don’t like, then you’ll see how virtuous they truly are

[@flatwoodsdaemon]

I hate the "they're a bad person so it's okay" mentality. If they're truly hateful, they're not gonna give a shit what you say, and are just gonna keep continuing to be so. Insulting their appearance does nothing to take down their character or their beliefs, and is likely only going to upset someone you actually DO care about.

[@PinkManGuy]

@@flatwoodsdaemon It's the same way I feel about being racist to a racist. You're still hurting hurtful language with the intent to cut down another person, thus giving those words power in the first place, as well as harming anyone else from the racist's background. It's cruel, vicious, thoughtless, and childish bordering on infantile.

[@tmerchead1]

I think we been given enough pro tips from Projared pic leaks for one generation

[@aaronlaughter6471]

What if I hate everyone equally, and don't pretend I'm a good person.

[@mmmodafoca]

exactly, 100% of this, that's that old saying if you want to see how wrong your religion is ask someone from a different one. or If you want to know how nice your spouse is, just see how they treat their parents. Sorry not wanting to be political, but the internet is a cesspool of shit like ideas and mob mentallity it's ridiculous.

[@stephenlong9806]

Ethan Kline talking about Jared's looks, while looking like the Mucinex Booger will never not be funny.

[@SpitfireFortyFour]

The "I have the receipts" quote is still one of the most legendary things to come out of this drama. It was like a fucking finisher move, it was wild. I remember so many memes using it sprouting up at the time.

[@HawkBreland]

absolutely based

[@ryanadams0922]

Dude I got chills hearing that

[@saltystick_99]

It felt like something fresh out of Phoenix Wright.

[@insensitive919]

Jeremy Hambly was the first to apologize, tbh.

[@StriderZessei]

What receipts did he provide, exactly? All I remember him saying is, 'can you really trust the word of someone like my accuser who hit their head once?' He created a place for people to share their dirty pics and never bothered to require anyone to confirm their adulthood.

[@RocRolDis]

ProJared handled this PERFECTLY. You don't rise to the bait. You stay quiet, gather your case and once the knee-jerk screeching has passed, you dump the facts on people calmly.

[@DrkRyu]

what disappoints me the most is the existence of that stupid tumblr. The fact Charlie was asked if they're 18+ and the answer "yes I am" is a perfect example why that shit's dangerous. If Jared never had the dumb idea to open up a page for sharing nudes, nobody would've cared because the divorce stuff ultimately is none of anyone's business. I mean they both fucked up their relationship and finally settled on separating. end of story.

[@The_Catman]

Who's going to give him back the year of torture he had to endure, tho?

[@Deadflower20xx]

@@The_Catman He's made millions over the course of his career, I think he'll be okay. He didn't get doxxed or swatted or probably anything beyond rando threats in his DM's which every content creator gets. We literally have dozens of cases around the internet where we can see it all could have gone so much worse for him. Where he's at right now is literally the best case scenario when you're put on the other end of a cancel campaign.

[@Deadflower20xx]

@@DrkRyu It definitely is pretty cringe when people try to pull this internet rockstar stuff. There's literally no legitimate way to filter out minors without actually asking for pictures of their IDs. If you don't do that then you're basically accepting to yourself you may or may not see underage stuff and I guess you're just okay with that, which has some pretty gross implications. Like his ex said in the video, I don't think he's a predo or anything...but he legitimately just rationalized it by thinking "Eh if they're 17 or 16, big whoop". He's not so stupid as to think everyone who messaged him will be an adult on a site you have to be 13 to join.

[@The_Catman]

@@Deadflower20xx His penis literally went all around the world and will always be one google search from everyone's eyes. All of us know personal details of his intimacy nver MEANT to be public. No amount of money will ever pay your mental health back. The fact that it usually goes even worse is THE PROBLEM, not a mitigation.

[@MrGeorgeFlorcus]

I definitely think ProJared's story was a watershed moment in KZbin drama. It was one of the first big examples of a KZbinr successfully recouping a significant amount of their credibility and social standing, as opposed to simply digging their own grave deeper. His online presence may be permanently diminished; and it's hard to say if that's due to regular burn out, or lingering stigma from the initial incident, or both; but I do feel like his tragic downfall was a major turning point that made people more critical, more skeptical, and more rational when it came to these kinds of controversies and accusations. Obviously, I wish it hadn't cost him so much, but there's a silver lining, and I think that's important.

[@tramarthomas6105]

And in a weird way, he was proven to be a decent guy. If he did actually abuse his fans or had explicit interactions with minors online, the victims would have had all the incentive and confidence to come out and expose him for it.

[@TheWonkster]

Most of the people that worked with him before still refuse to feature him on their channel even if he features them on his.

[@TotemoGaijin]

Yeah, but then you've got people like Vic Mignona who still seem to be having a tough go of it.

[@Z50nemesis]

Have you considered that the reason why his internet presence is diminished may be cause of the things he admited were true ? He was making groups with fans to share nudes and to a lot of people thats just too weird. Yes he didnt abuse minors and the cheating thing is dubious but even if those allegations were never msde his career would be damaged when people liked the pictures of him masturbating in a salor moon costume

[@Paranomalous]

He’s kaput.

[@UmbreonMessiah]

The most insufferable thing about looking back at all this drama is just how many people were only interested in how "ugly" they thought Projared and Holly were. It's unbearable.

[@AmpharosSquad]

Definitely, seeing those comments about downgrading from aragron to golum... that's so cruel and disgusting. the entire drama around this is so stupid.

[@horrorsage1346]

​@@AmpharosSquadI agree, and this reenforces the idea that people are only valuable based on their looks

[@charlesk22]

The incident taught me first how I should not trust even my eyes and alerted me that there are people who no matter how much you hang out with them, they will want your fall and will work to destroy you just for fame.

[@lmno567]

It was a learning point for me too. Although I knew to wait for his side of the story, I waited for so long that I took his silence as an admission of guilt. Lo and behold, it took just a bit longer for that to come out. Learned that things aren't always what it seemed and just to wait a bit before rendering judgment, a lesson that came in handy for a completely different situation later on.

[@RisingPhoenix05]

Yeah I jumped the gun on this situation too. It was the first time I judged early, and I'm glad Jared was able to come back from this

[@thunderwarriorprods]

@@RisingPhoenix05 honestly dude it’s refreshing as hell to see people admit they made a mistake with stuff like this. Big respect to you, sir.

[@charonlloyd-roberts]

I wound up feeling guilty for siding with the mob at the time when it all went down, I recently re-subscribed back to Porjared despite watching the debunking video when he released it. Took some time to reflect but in truth he deserved better and we were all fools for not believing him.

[@GameAlicornLuna]

I was also part of the bandwagon. I remember that I was in an airport when I was looking over Twitter and saw that the whole thing. I did the usual as well as unsubbing from him and joining the bash crew. Then when his video came out, I listened to it and resubbed to him. I'm still subbed to this day because I do enjoy his content.

[@JamestheKilljoy]

Peanut Butter Gamer (Austin) is the definition of a real friend. Immediatly jumps to defend his bro, and even when everyone tells him he is wrong for doing it, he still only steps back enough to say "well, let's wait for Jared's response before we all judge him as guilty"

[@db_524]

So True.

[@rayvenkman2087]

The only big name in all this who didn’t come out of the saga looking terrible.

[@stoves5877]

except he even lied to Austin as Austin defended Jared by saying there was no way he would share nudes with fans.

[@JamestheKilljoy]

@@stoves5877 or he didnt tell him to begin with. Im sure he didnt go around telling his friends about his sex life

[@stoves5877]

@@JamestheKilljoy this was like 2 days after everything happened.

[@annienunyabiz6627]

Sad thing is, this still isn't the whole story. Charlie and Chai were friends with two women who admitted in all the initial drama that they had catfished and blackmailed Jared, telling him to pay them or they'd release his nudes. (And yes, there is proof of all this.) The catfishers publically bragged about routinely catfishing and blackmailing men, and Charlie was a member of this group, all of whom, catfishers and Charlie, are cosplayers like Heidi. Charlie lives very near Jared and Heidi, is a cosplayer, and another friend of theirs, also a cosplayer, is posing with Heidi and calls Heidi her idol. All of this was set up by people who knew Heidi.

[@annienunyabiz6627]

@@GameFreak2467 Yes.

[@Numbabu]

@@annienunyabiz6627 may we have it?

[@faunsolo]

So everyone is terrible in this situation, got it.

[@WillToNihilsm]

This is not proven whatsoever.

[@WillToNihilsm]

@@noahbarnhartandit2365 yeah because he fabricated those texts. Lmfao.

[@somethingelse334]

I kinda admire Jared. He had his scandal, owned his mistakes, proved the receipts.. and he hasn't given up. I respect that.

[@israelruiz8706]

True. I do hope he has found peace with everything. The stigma is still around and he probably still gets harrased. But at least the fans that still support him hopefully give him strength to keep doing what he is doing 😊

[@jacklee8467]

I don’t feel too bad for him. He reveled when his former friend got internet heat. He subsequently has endorsed other forms of harassment against other people. Didn’t learn a damn thing from the whole ordeal

[@abcdefzhij]

what do you mean had his scandal, the scandal was literally fake

[@RenegadeSparks]

@@jacklee8467 it's why I'm convinced that his proof was fake somehow, the real giveaway was when he started bemoaning "cancel culture" and was going full reactionary during said debunking.

[@swallowedinthesea11]

Jared hasn't uploaded since April 2023 and people are still accusing him from that video's comments.

[@christiankopet5891]

I actually met ProJared when I was working at a movie theater. I was working the concession stand and he came up. I talked to him and said, "You look like ProJared" and he said, "I get that a lot." Eventually he told me it was him. It was hilarious lol.

[@hypnoticnexus24]

Cap

[@ParadigmRiki]

Tony Hawk moment.

[@SideScrollersPodcast]

Man... it sure would be great to see at ScrewAttack video done by Joon. Anyone else interested?

[@GearsLGLF]

Make it happen.

[@xGODSNINJAx]

I second this

[@Chatetris]

I would love this

[@SolidBren]

Lets go Craig!

[@LorenHelgeson]

Amen. Make it happen, cap'n!

[@crazykirsch]

I won't pretend that I haven't always thought he looked goofy AF but holy shit am I surprised at how many of the prominent drama channels covering this to went STRAIGHT at that low hanging fruit. They even went as far as bringing the appearances of the women involved into it. Huge fuckin' yikes, hopefully they realize how cringe they were in hindsight.

[@coyrex1250]

Critikal said he looked like a blob of melted mayo left out in the sun with nipples on it, or something like that. It was hilarious, but went way to far

[@thisstatementisfalsenothin5312]

Yeah I feel like exclusively insulting what someone looks like hurts your argument a lot

[@NelsonStJames]

They won't. The mob never admits that it was wrong, it simply moves on to another target, and pretends the previous incident didn't occur.

[@Sealdeam]

It was accepted fact he was the worst of the worst so making fun of his appearance was fine maybe even a just mild punishment that nobody minds, when someone has been put in that position the rules no longer apply and if something bad happens to them it is even celebrated, mob mentality is a scary thing makes its target the whipping boy against whom venting our anger and hatred is not only permitted but it is a just thing that is encouraged while cooler heads risk becoming themselves targets too so they stay mostly silent.

[@grimtheghastly8878]

And it's so weird bc to me at least he isn't even unattractive? He's a little skrunkly but he isn't ugly? And even if he was why would it even matter?

[@linksbro1]

Peanut Butter Gamer had the best take from day 1, no throwing Jared under the bus, just him saying "This ain't it chief" to Jared's ex.

[@db_524]

He sure did and he was also proven right in the end when ProJared released his response video.

[@insensitive919]

She totally convinced herself that Jared was 100% the cheater... (open relationship blah blah)based on angry conservative chuds that showed up to defend her just because they wanted to take down Jared. Only then did she realize that she was in the wrong. Never listen to the right. Even if they tell you that the sky is blue, you verify. Now she knows.

[@LiquidDIO]

It was the most mature and unbiased take of them all. Frankly, all of this was no one's business but the effected people.

[@Clouded-Logic]

@@LiquidDIO I recall people were dumping on him for saying that at the time.

[@LiquidDIO]

@@Clouded-Logic Yup. I remember too. Twitter is such a toxic helldump of people who can't think logically.

[@tonkuriihq8133]

"projared and conjared" made me laugh more than it should have

[@RaineErasmusWalker]

holy shit i unironically laughed irl 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@JaesWasTaken]

I think this is an important lesson in "Evidence does not equal Fact." This is something that is lost on the mob mentality and gets sadly drowned out when drama like this crops up. While evidence is an important factor in establishing Fact, it cannot become Fact without it being heavily scrutinized. Folks take things at face value too easily, I myself have fallen prey to this as well. I hope those folks that threw wood onto ProJared's burning at least came out of this better able to scrutinize information that's presented to them.

[@TheNormeShow]

I'll never understand why people jumped on the pedophilia shit as quick as they did, it's like the first allegation anyone would think of to make a situation sound worse than it is. Not to say that it's always fake, unfortunately it's pretty common to hear that about KZbin drama. It's still just not the majority, or it turns out to be under false pretenses

[@bravobird9435]

@@TheNormeShow I mean there was pretty hard evidence backing up the accusations, I do think people should have waited to see/hear Jared's side of the story though

[@Linkophere]

They wont. Prepare yourself for the years to come and isolate as much as you healthily can. Western society aka American is headed toward a great decline

[@phabiorules]

@@Linkophere Eh, I disagree. It seems people are getting tired of this attitude, and a majority of people seem to acknowledge how awful twitter is.

[@funkspinna]

Even worse, you even have people that expect we simply "Believe All Women".

[@moneenerd]

If it's any consolation... As of November 2022, Heidi is broke, single and running a failing craft business. Karma bites back.

[@coryfusting9294]

Notably, Jared and Holly broke up that same month.

[@thearmedgardener]

Good, she seem like an aweful person

[@HawkBreland]

awesome 😎

[@ryanadams0922]

That makes me happy that red headed psycho B!+(# got what she deserved for destroying Jared

[@Stv101streamer]

Good. Glad to hear it

[@kingck101]

Heidi:"i want to sleep with someone else" Jared:"ok, so will i" Heidi:"wait no...."

[@planescaped]

A classic tale.

[@gex581990]

His rebuttal video is legendary. He absolutely wrecked everyone with evidence. Biggest turn around I’ve seen on KZbin. Definitely showed how jumping on the angry mob bandwagon is just plain stupid. This just shows how fucked the internet really can be.

[@Z50nemesis]

He didnt tho , sure he debunked some allegations... doesnt change the fact that he did create fan groups to send nudes... The moment the pics of him masturbating in a sailor moon costume were leaked his career was damaged forever

[@Jota_M9999]

Not only internet. There are many cases of people getting lynched (sometimes to death) just to be found innocent afterwards. And for some reason, people still act like the person accused is somehow guilty of something. The stigma remains. I won't lie, I don't think about it all the time, but this is a big fear of my life.

[@Sly_Maverick_31]

After all, Jared had the RECEIPTS.

[@stoves5877]

then why did he admit what he did was wrong and he apologized for taking advantage of his fans?

[@-INK-]

@@stoves5877 Lets see the list of accusations that the internet simply ran with Cheated on his wife = proved false Knowingly creeped on underage fans = proved false Running a discord server to exchange sexual content = true and evidence shown that 18+ was a prerequisite & participation was strictly voluntary. So if you did meme on Jared during that time and now still want to feel like you were right, go ahead and take that little w where Jared changed his stance on the 18+ discord.

[@kglistless]

Morals of the story: 1. Keep your relationship drama off of the net 2. Don't invite fans to send and exchange nudes 3. Polyamory is probably a bad idea when you have a pre-existing LTR

[@rayvenkman2087]

4. Watch out for the snakes in the grass that calls themselves “friends”.

[@HeyItsJonny]

@@rayvenkman2087 5. Don't drink the kool-aid.

[@jesuszamora6949]

Polyamory doesn't work unless you and the other person are INSANELY mature.

[@angelirizarry2666]

@@jesuszamora6949 true true

[@insensitive919]

Does it count as polyamory? Sounds like they didn't have a relationship at all after the "open" part started. Sham marriage is a better term, I think.

[@Higesgirl]

I'm a fan of Jared even met him twice when he came to cons in my state; absolutely sweet and funny guy, he even remembered me. It sucks that he got pushed through the wringer and I felt so bad for him. I'm happy he's still making good videos and I love his FF retrospectives recently.

[@YakubTheKid]

Yeah I met him at a con too a little while before the allegations happened and it was genuinely like meeting an old friend

[@Deep_wolf]

His kinect and ps move videos were hilarious back in a day.

[@deusprogrammer_thekingofspace]

Cosplayed with him at Onicon one year in a Final Fantasy group cosplay (he was Thief, I was Black Mage, Marzgurl was Red Mage, FirstKnight Josh was Fighter, and Heidi was a really awesome White Mage). He really was a nice guy as far as I could tell. Got a little upset when he didn’t remember who I was at SGC one year, but I’m over it now. Can’t expect him to remember a nobody like me.

[@VelvetAura]

@@deusprogrammer_thekingofspace I can't imagine how many faces content creators see at those cons. It sucks but don't take it personally

[@nicholasmorgan7609]

He still threw Jon under the bus, so I can't say I have any love for him

[@evan]

The users that made up all the lies about ProJared on Twitter were also wrapped up in the UK KZbin community as I recognised the usernames. They’d send incendiary replies and tweets to myself and friends and when this all blew up it felt like they finally got the attention they wanted but very glad it blew up in their faces.

[@gamesmasteruploader4863]

man the sequence of youtubers mocking his looks at 42:00 is brutal considering all the fuckers talking about him are on the same level of attractiveness

[@connoranthony1663]

Repzion also calling Holly Smeagal is wild as well when if he shaved his head it would be a convincing cosplay

[@swanmeet]

Facts and repzion is just nasty on the inside too

[@mousefire777]

The dude doesn’t even look bad. Good hair and jawline, the blue eyes. Like, if you saw him on the street he’s at least a 6

[@gamesmasteruploader4863]

@@mousefire777 they seem mad he has self confidence too. like what the fuck.

[@PMelling2293]

I mean, Repzion’s biggest rival was Onision. So I guess he was used to that level of discourse?

[@saltystick_99]

Part of what made his response video so legendary to me to this day is how usually those type of videos start with a somber mood, and a while to get to the topic with awkward sentences and filler. Jared's response video literally started with "Hey, what's up? *Anyway;"* it always felt like such a power move that he just starts it making his point almost immediately rather than try to paint himself as a sympathetic victim.

[@Kytseo]

Really made the phrase "I have the receipts" into one of the most badass claims in recent history.

[@TANMAC43]

In hindsight, this is truly a situation where nobody came off looking good, including the audience that watched it all play out.

[@BlackWingedSeraphX]

Not if you were fair/neutral. The cancel mobs and Heidi and Charlie are the real scumbags.

[@t-dot1564]

These people knew what they were doing and each side was trying to stir up the audience to side with them. If they didn't want to cause drama, they should keep their degeneracy and private affairs to themselves.

[@technounionrepresentative4274]

i just quietly stopped watching him and started again when he proved his innocence

[@dennischaves4887]

I never gave up on Projared. I waited for the flames to settle and the facts to come in. Sadly this situation costed him so many subs and I don't know of he'll recover to a million again but only time will tell

[@redacted2275]

What a cop out: his ex came out as deceitful and his buddies from "Normal Boots" as backstabbers.

[@michaeldavis-riley6290]

Jared gave an honest explanation, addressing everything that happened, and gave a genuine apology. He defended himself coherently and with facts, without insulting those involved, and for that I give him kudos.

[@seanrambo7824]

He's one of the few actual victims of cancel culture.

[@Lunar_Leit]

i remember feeling so sad for humanity when every content creator i watched started ragging on someone's appearance like high school bullies. everyone jumped on believing Heidi right away. but if i didn't watch Jared's channel for 10 year, maybe i would have been on Heidi's side too...

[@Ttegegg]

Where all but ants. Just fellowing the scents

[@tempestsquall5882]

maybe you should start thinking for yourself then and not care about what others think

[@rj.thebean6671]

@@tempestsquall5882 Herd mentality is almost impossible to avoid. You can sit there on your high horse and tell people to think for themselves, but EVERYONE can fall into the trap of believing the dominant narrative, no matter how strong willed or self righteous you are.

[@joshuabacker2363]

@@rj.thebean6671 It's impossible to avoid for ordinary people with no ability to introspect at all* There's no 'high horse' or 'self righteousness' to this, btw, and using such emotionally charged accusations shows that you've learned nothing from Projared's incident.

[@Waligug]

Forgot about this guy till this notifaction, I've watched probably every single one of his old style review videos I loooooved them

[@tylerd1297]

When that scandal happened everyone heard about it lmao. My little sister who doesn't watch any channels like that had already heard about it the same day I mentioned it.

[@newearth9027]

Didn't expect to see you here

[@Kachuzumaki]

Notification*

[@doordasher7095]

His new reviews are really good too esp the final fantasy ones

[@gligarguy4010]

@@doordasher7095 Dude is good when he's reviewing RPGs (mostly), not that great with everything else.

[@MilkWasABadChoice17]

We need to see an in depth ScrewAttack retrospective. They really revolutionized a lot of how content was produced on KZbin. I already know Craig is down. Make it happen.

[@nojsageiv]

You mean rooster teeth

[@MilkWasABadChoice17]

@@nojsageiv No, specifically ScrewAttack.

[@nojsageiv]

@@MilkWasABadChoice17 I understand what you said, but rooster teeth was KZbin before KZbin, and a few years before screw attack.

[@TheBtstephens]

@@nojsageiv then go watch the one he did on RT. We want to see the retrospective on ScrewAttack

[@nojsageiv]

@@TheBtstephens I did, and screw attack Was bought out. It’s safe to say the best thing to come out of screw attack was matpat

[@briannawhite9307]

My poor sister was a huge fan of Dice, Camera, Action - another DND podcast that starred Jared and Holly. It was DMed by Chris Perkins and sponsored by Wizards of the Coast. The show was cancelled because of the drama at the halfway point before any of the characters could be resolved.

[@db_524]

Yeah that’s one of things that hurts the most. A beloved web series was canceled due to the false allegations and there’s nothing any of us can say and/or do to bring it back. 😭💔

[@FellowHuman137]

I miss the waffle crew so much

[@bekaemery2918]

Same I really loved DCA I miss it so much

[@tanman729]

just from jareds point of view, imagine you get bullied and harassed and slandered so heavily that you lose a spot on the FUCKIN D&D LIVEPLAY. i just wanna give this guy a hug, and i definitely bring him up when people say cancel culture doesn't exist or that "collateral damamge here is fine because the collateral is usually white dudes so who gives a shit?"

[@NightmareShadows13]

The Waffle Crew was even supposed to be in Baldur's Gate 3. I remember them mentioning having done some voice acting for the game. But when the drama happened, and the show got cancelled, they got removed from the game. At least, through Holly, we know that they're still playing together, just off camera.

[@Palemagpie]

No else catch the irony of the Screwattack guy being like. "You can't speak ill of the company. Honestly, it makes you a jerk, and then you get fired......so anyway, then Roosterteeth bought us, what a bunch of assholes. They didnt let us do anything"

[@encyclopediaespx1128]

Agreed. Used to be heavy into ScrewAttack when I first started settling into KZbin content but Craig has always come off like a conman/shyster type, just the way he talks and carries himself I suppose. That kind of double standard comment isn’t surprising.

[@AltoRosei]

I think the saddest part of this is Jared still get called a cheater and struggle to even get back 900k subs when he was at a million before eveything happen

[@insensitive919]

Sub count doesn't mean much.

[@shivamchouhan5077]

@@insensitive919 It does, but not much as a new subscriber of projared I hope he gets a million subs back

[@WillieManga]

He does not need a million. That 888k and response prove to me he still deserves support

[@based980]

dude he still hasnt recovered in terms of subscribers

[@MobiusGT]

Part of why he didn't get back his subscribers is his lack of uploads. That said I still enjoy watching his videos every now and then

[@PinkManGuy]

I still enjoy ProJared's content but when I see him nowadays I want to cry. All the stress has aged him immensely. He will live a lower quality life for the rest of his life and the people who lied about and abused him will never see a second of karma drives my blood to boiling temperatures.

[@rayvenkman2087]

Has any of those schmucks been relevant in the years since? The first and last I watched a video of Arin, I ended up subscribing to OneyPlays instead.

[@karlsparx9077]

@@rayvenkman2087 Chris and the Gang are 100 times better

[@rayvenkman2087]

@@karlsparx9077 Arin/Egorapier always give me that insufferable, almost smarmy kind of aura with him and a worse moaner than CM Punk. A toxic influence when it comes to the perception of several video games including Sonic the Hedgehog who’s the worst affected by him. Chris and his lot would take the piss out of a game like Vice City but you can tell they’re having fun when messing around in it, even when it’s not very good.

[@karlsparx9077]

@@rayvenkman2087 Arins honestly a lolcow if he didn't have thousands of unironic fans

[@bluesuzaku3229]

Karma always catches up to people eventually, just not on our whims.

[@ChickenTeller]

The funniest thing in this video is seeing that Rabbid Luigi called Jared a gremlin when he himself is not particularly good-looking either. Really shows how quickly people will put down another just to raise themselves up a peg

[@kieranwalsh2058]

Damn I used to watch rabbidluigi since he was in 240p. Didn’t know he resorted to petty insults

[@YEETUSDAFEETUS]

who the hell is that I seen the name and got confused as hell lol

[@TheCheeseMovesSideways]

@@YEETUSDAFEETUS same lol who tf has a name called rabbid luigi? Not surprising the person behind it resort to insulting other people's looks lmao

[@redphantom6921]

Yeah, kinda sounds like he was projecting much.

[@mostverticalproductions4808]

British person commenting on someone else's look is hilarious. Even funnier when you look at the ham planet he married. What a freak.

[@Pgo9ro]

For a long time Jared fan watching all the drama unfold was painful. Seeing a channel get destroyed like that (a channel he worked really hard on nonetheless) was very upsetting. I was so glad when he came back. Maybe his channel will never recover for the aftermath of the drama but it's still nice to watch new videos he puts out. He works hard on them so he really deserves more success.

[@TheAfker]

i mean he (if i remember right) had just hit 1m subs when the drama came out, and now 3 years layer he's nearly back to 900k subs. unfortunatly i dont think his channel will ever full recover from it

[@EmmanQuinones5234]

^ This I agree HOWEVER compared to before, his following might be smaller BUT he is much better as a creator and as a person. After surviving that*insane* debacle, I still think Jared came out of it positively along with his current small community.

[@TheAfker]

@@EmmanQuinones5234 i really hope that everyone in his community (not his subs i mean the video game video making community) have seen his video wit hthe evidence. cos i would love to see some projared collab videos again. the opening of poke poke with pbg is still one of my favs

[@coryfusting9294]

@@TheAfker he's been at 888k for over a year now. That can't be a coincidence.

[@spellshellmobile2046]

There's something wrong with his sub count. You could look at site with sub statistics. It's constantly drops same amount of subs that it gains every month

[@momamario]

I remember Lindsay Ellis said in a tweet or video or something once how people on the internet aren’t satisfied with interpersonal conflict being JUST about a shitty thing. Everyone wants to make a definitive moral judgement. Personally I think there was probably some shitty stuff that Jared did,but I also don’t think he’s a pedophile. People have messy relationships sometimes. Sometimes good people do huge damage to each other, and nobody comes out of that acting “rational “. God, people’s online are gonna lose it when they hear about fleetwood mac…

[@ladyarmourlapras]

of course lindsay probably said that when it happened to her, all the while revelling in similar cancellation of her peers before that

[@darrenthetuber743]

Yeah unfortunately to prove his innocence he had to basically say I'm kinda a piece of shit but I'm not a pedophile

[@darthgamer9861]

I want us all to take a moment to bask in the irony of Lindsay Ellis saying this, considering she had absolutely no issues supporting cancel culture in the past when it suited her political opinions.

[@tanman729]

@@darthgamer9861 not saying your lying, but do you have a source? i'm assuming it's one of those "cancel culture doesn't exist, until something i like gets cancelled* type stance

[@SoullessAIMusic]

Interesting take. That exact mindset has shifted over to the AI argument funny enough.

[@pxrfxct]

The fact that he got fired before the shit show known as rooster teeth stepped in automatically makes him the luckiest man alive

[@WusterWasti]

I think its kinda funny hearing Craig justifying his firing of Jared to make it seem like a "good" move when after that he made the worst move possible by selling Screwattack lol.

[@Xwartu]

@@WusterWastiGreg Miller?

[@WusterWasti]

@@Xwartu Franky?

[@GamerFromJump]

I’m glad he came back, though I’m disappointed that _Now In The 90s_ couldn’t continue. We didn’t even get most of the GOATed year in gaming that was 1994.

[@PSRewind]

He really does some of the best writing and explains why he does/doesn’t love the game he reviews

[@kanchomerocks12]

Eh... His Sonic Adventure 2 video is pretty bad

[@kosherpickle2598]

@@kanchomerocks12 His Sonic Adventure 2 video does precisely what PS Rewind said: Explains why he does/doesn't love the game. Sonic people are so upset about it because he presents his opinion as fact.

[@MrStupidarmy]

Eh no... he was hit and miss reviewer. Remember Metal Gear Rising review?

[@kosherpickle2598]

@@MrStupidarmy I remember he didn't enjoy the game. Which... doesn't mean the game is bad. I didn't enjoy it much either.

[@missspectra]

@@kosherpickle2598 He presents his opinion with confidence as a critic, because the fact that it's his opinion should go without saying.

[@idkaboutthat6712]

this whole thing was a massive moment for me to get away from h3 and that community, he took such a weird stance on it

[@dustydew]

Damn !!!!!!!!!!!!

[@c.j.4180]

Ethan talking about how goofy Jared looks really came across as somewhat...in bad taste given Ethan isn't exactly Brad Pitt himself. Like, I've enjoyed H3's content far more than I ever have Jared's, no lie, but that really just came across as...nah, this ain't it.

[@toophoot2757]

@@c.j.4180 you enjoy his content?!?!

[@topperDL]

Kinda weird that Ethan was roasting Jared so much on his appearance when he looks like shorter hair Hila

[@sofern2681]

Yeah he was really off base on the projared thing. Im glad his crew keep him from doing that kinda thing now. I really enjoy their podcast but to each their own.

[@Bruno_Swag]

Honestly I've never really understood all the harassment about his appearance. He certainly isnt the most attractive person to have ever lived. But he looks like a perfectly normal person.

[@XENON3120]

because people are hypocrites, they use image as an excuse to harass somebody but when it so happens to come out that he is not as bad as the stories wanted to paint him to be, when people only wanted to cancel him, then people start saying he is good looking, or average at best. Its so staby and I really can't respect it. I was one of the few youtubers that made a video defending the dude, got 70% dislikes 30% likes and people disagree with my reasons just to little later on come out to be true all along. Amd then all of a sudden everybody talking bad about his character or his image turn 180, its so weak how people just change minds depending on where the hype train is going, like have little to no personality of their own to think critically at all. Some people should live with themselves longer and face hardships, perhaps that will make them good capable friends one day.

[@krustykrabpizza4328]

The ugliness of human nature seems to be on full display when people are anonymous. So many studies have been done about it. Internet is essentially Pandora's box for all the positivity and negativity that's possible in the world.

[@entertainer_ev2747]

​@@krustykrabpizza4328With that first sentence I immediately thought of Michael Jackson

[@LunchMeatTrump]

​​@@entertainer_ev2747omg that's ignorant don't be so ignorant why are you so ignorant stop being ignorant

[@COEFFXIV]

I see this as a Rise, Fall, and Rise again of Jared rather than a fall. He's enjoying what he's doing, he's happier than he was, and his content is still good. I will never understand how folks will make themselves out as perfect and better than Jared enough to attack him.

[@magicalcapi9148]

well put he didn't fall, he rose is he as popular as before? no, he isn't but he got away from drama, and it seems to have a much healthier life fame isn't everything, good on him

[@derpherpington3129]

i usually ask those who attack if they like the taste of windex since they be licking windows all day.

[@derpherpington3129]

@Mellissa Boomer of the Night still freaking out about age gaps? i've a long term relationship with a woman old enough to be my aunt, and ooh, boy, she loves it from behind! FOH with that bullshit. as long as the ADULTS [18+] agree to ADULT[18+] things, let them ADULT [Do-- You guessed it-- 18+Things]!

[@mrscruffles801]

@Mellissa Boomer of the Night Don't most people like being adored?

[@P_Taters]

The ProJared saga was a wild ride. Bro literally sat out the entire drama train until it stopped moving, then he jumped out of nowhere and derailed the train with ease. His refrain showed a real maturity that most people wouldn't've had under the same circumstances.

[@sun332s7]

I like how a simple accusation is enough to kill someone’s image. Good thing history doesn’t show us burning women at the stake of being called a witch or anything.

[@YEETUSDAFEETUS]

yeah that'd be barbaric it's much easier to throw em in a lake

[@sheep3866]

Yeah these days it's the witches determining who gets burned

[@aradiamegido2965]

sheep comment

[@sheep3866]

Baaaaaaaah

[@rediornaut7018]

Commenters like Sheep and Aradia proving Tom's point.

[@lukewood2662]

Man... It's sad to see that his former partners are at multiple million subs and on partnerships while Jared was ultimately left alone with a shadowbanned channel and a blacklisted presence on the internet. He's still one of the most talented game reviewers and presenters on the platform btw.

[@blondie7240]

Wow, it’s stories like this that make me happy I go outside for fun and not on Twitter.

[@rayvenkman2087]

Twitter’s a monument to human failure and the fact the vocal minorities has such sway in a lot of things only adds to it.

[@YEETUSDAFEETUS]

Twitter is fun to watch they will lose their minds over the simplist shit

[@insensitive919]

Twitter lays eggs in your brain. I'm no Mary Poppins even on a good day, but I started to feel like twitter was designed to coax negative feelings out of me. Other Social media can be toxic too, but twitter is worse somehow.

[@jslimefeld]

@@insensitive919 your need to monologue is really pathetic

[@Cr102y]

You’re watching a drama video on KZbin,it’s not any different than Twitter honestly. Social media in general isn’t any different honestly,Twitter is simply the new scapegoat,just like Tumblr was years ago.

[@NeroWesten]

I only became aware of the controversy when seeing Jared’s video “you’ve been lied to”. Because I would actively check for new uploads from him. I really enjoyed his content. After hearing his side. I looked at as much of the rest as I could. And I gotta say, his sex life is none of my concern. His marriage isn’t either (provided we wasn’t actually abusive). It sounds like a horrible break up and I’m glad he got through it.

[@DustyThePunk]

I used to follow him, until the drama in 2019. While I don't follow him anymore, mainly because of my own change in content interest. I do regret some of the things I was so quick to believe and said offline while speaking with others. I am just glad the truth is out and everyone has moved on from it.

[@uchihasflame1]

same i thought at first that maybe it was true but to be more fair i set myself with only unsubbing from him and seeing if in the future the man can clear himself so i only really talked shit in the aspect i said in some comments that if true i would be very disappointed in the man since i loved his content i then proceeded to leave and wait for a response that never came then forgot about him. Then once the video of his response came out i saw it recomened to me and was like "finally lets see your side then" after watching and comparing to the twitter comments i personally felt that jared was given the raw deal the only thing i think he really did wrong was that as someone with some fame making a place to swap nudes could be a power dynamic issue but thats really more of a smaller moral issue not a massive one like cheating on your wife or a crime like being into kids.

[@Superluigi881]

@@uchihasflame1 It amuses me that Jared's career was almost destroyed on baseless allegations about him being into kids. But now a handful of freaks on Twitter are trying to normalise being into kids. Even Netflix weighed in with Cuties. Probably the most disgusting film ever created.

[@uchihasflame1]

@@Superluigi881 As messed up as it is to say i still believe in putting those freaks in their own prison and doing some hungar games type of thing called last pedo standing lol id watch it.

[@gaaraxnaru]

@The Comment Year Bot This is so not true. Power dynamics definitely work with not just children, but anyone who you (or sometimes the law) perceive in a position a power over you. That's why bosses can't sleep with employees or professors with college students, etc. It's murky and can lead to all types of shenanigans. Celebrities are no different. You named exceptions to the rule, but most fans should NOT be in a relationship with their idol. Think about it. They usually have a case of hero worship or believe they're a certain way when they really aren't. It's not healthy for the fan or the creator.

[@jsc315]

@The Comment Year Bot having sexual relationship with your fanbase absolutely is an abuse of power.

[@lunch_trey]

Jared handled himself through this whole ordeal pretty maturely. He waited until he had enough evidence to prove his side before making a statement video, he didn't air his dirty laundry on social media like his wife at the time did and I recall hearing he voluntarily left NormalBoots to avoid causing trouble for them. I don't know when or if Jared's channel will return to its former glory, but he's done really well putting this whole thing behind him.

[@stoves5877]

wtf? He started this by saying he is getting a divorce and blocking his wife on social media. that is the exact opposite of being mature. Hell if he hadn't done that he probably wouldnt' have gone through all this shit.

[@asteria9963]

@@stoves5877 Keep victim blaming, kid.

[@stoves5877]

@@asteria9963 remind me how this all started? Was it with Heidi attacking him? Or was it with Jared blocking his wife and putting out a statement they were getting a divorce?

[@RWxAshley]

@@stoves5877 his wife announced it first on Facebook and was already calling him an abuser and cheater and everything else. Well before Jared had even filled for divorce and before he made his announce to twitter. And blocking someone on Twitter is where you see something wrong? Really? How? That is probably the best thing he could do is distance himself from her in every way.

[@angelirizarry2666]

@@asteria9963 the real victims here are the kids that got through his age verification system (if you'd call it that) to join his nude page If you hold a child accountable for the sexual misconduct of an adult, you're victim blaming

[@disaceter1130]

This reminds me so much of the Slazo situation. No matter how many times this happens, no one will ever learn or change their behavior. It's not about actually holding people accountable for their actions, it's never been about that. It's just sad, pathetic people trying to convince themselves that their high horse is the highest.

[@stevenguitink5947]

I suspect part of that is because on the Internet, everything lasts. And if you're someone like Philip DeFranco, who makes his living reporting and the news and presenting as reliable, you're not going to pull an about face and apologize, because to the audience you're trying to cultivate, that would make you come across as wishy-washy. Especially if receipts can be pulled of all the times when you made mistakes and recognized them. It's all a long-term business for these people. Never apologize, never surrender.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

Cosmodore Boyinaband Callmecarson Cryaotic John Bob Skydoesminecraft Lionmaker Miniladd And probably a lot others I don't remember. All credibly accused of being creeps and had their careers rightfully destroyed for it.

[@insensitive919]

Preach. Uh.. poor choice of words maybe, but I agree. And so many of these people claim to be against "cancel culture", just not when they are the one getting clicks and attention for sending the mob after people. I went off on them in every discord and youtube channel where I knew their fans hung out, until they mass-reported me and got me shadow-banned on those youtube channels, and discord was even more pointless. Never give these people the time of day.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@insensitive919 K

[@RShezmo]

Here's the problem with Heidi's response. She lied at the beginning. She came out of the gate with malice and the intent of making Jared look as bad as possible with "TODAY I LEARNED MY EX-HUSBAND WAS FUCKING HOLLY BEHIND MY BACK" and then, after proof was shown of this not being true "Well, I did know about this, but I tried to make it work." You see, if she lied about that and she admited that, why should we believe anything she says? Jared and Holly put up proof of their side of the story, Heidi just has the value of her own word, and she already run it throw the mud with that first malicious lie.

[@VGHistory1]

Exactly.

[@db_524]

Yep.

[@ohyaization]

1:07:55 got me crying. It's like his whole life was destroyed for months, and then, through all the horrible stuff the internet put him through. He got his life back. Really makes me feel incredibly happy for him

[@db_524]

Same.

[@angelirizarry2666]

"How do I address this entire scandal in a way that people ignore my horrible verification system that would make anyone think I expected/wanted minors to lie and join

[@MorosSilverwing]

@@angelirizarry2666 When the most established and professional porn sites just have a "are you over 18? Y/N?" or "input date of birth, we'll trust it" why are you holding anyone else to a higher standard? What was Jared's alternative? Ask people to dox themselves? Even then, fake IDs are used by underaged people to get into pubs etc & in that case we're right back to what happened anyway.

[@zawarudo1041]

none of that happened if he wouldnt abuse his fans to factilitate nude photographs which is very wierd and creepy in itself

[@ohyaization]

@@zawarudo1041 How was he abusing his fans? The fans who posted know what they were doing. Using fame to get nudes is bad, I'm not going to argue with you on that. But, Jared wants to express himself in a way where OnlyFans didn't exist yet. Fans wanted to express back so he let them, as consenting adults. Which again, using fame to get nudes is bad, but to call that abuse is assuming he wants pictures of minors and I personally do not think so given the evidence, even Hidie said so herself. That's my view on it.

[@TeamIzlude]

Imagine wanting an open relationship, then getting mad when your partner follows through with it too

[@Jasper-Holland]

Yeah, Heidi is in the wrong

[@metademetra]

It's called "wanting an excuse to cheat freely and getting mad when your husband doesn't act like a doormat."

[@BlackHeart1216]

That's generally how it goes actually.

[@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756]

@@BlackHeart1216 yep generally the open relationship thing is to justify current cheating or a desire to cheat with someone specific. Very little is about your partner playing around. Not always but often enough to be the stereotype

[@Snakee423]

Wellcome to woman.

[@GreenDinoRanger]

The ProJared situation really reminds me of a line from an old Simpson's episode. A joke then, but far too common in recent years. "Your tears say more than real evidence ever could."

[@Gestersmek]

That entire episode aged like a fine wine.

[@IamjustBruh]

That wasn’t just a proverb. That was a prophecy!

[@IamjustBruh]

That wasn’t just a proverb. That was a prophecy!

[@Drekromancer]

@@Gestersmek Indeed. Homer Badman was ahead of its time.

[@Paranomalous]

Amber Heard couldn’t even manage fake tears.

[@QuakeGamerROTMG]

Basically every criticism against him had the same source "just trust me bro" Really a disgusting situation and shame on all the people who lied to try and get their thirty seconds in the spotlight and also shame on everyone who took all those lies at face value without a shred of evidence.

[@casperskye]

What I regret the most, is I joined in on the cancel culture when it had happened. He was my top favorite KZbinr to watch, but my own colors showed as soon as something happened. He was right about the fact that his personal life had nothing to do with us. Even if he had cheated, he didn't murder anyone, he didn't do anything illegal. However the outage of the accusations, I was definitely shocked by and I think that's what really made me join the cancel culture. After he uploaded his response video, I felt relieved, but also guilty. I love his content today and I still watch him.

[@casperskye]

I was also a part of the whole Jared cheats on his hot wife with a lesser attractive woman clash, and looking back on it now. I'm a dumbass. It's funny to me because, Holly is the type of person I'd be more attracted towards than Heidi. Really feckin dumb.

[@addex1236]

That's the boat I'm in like the worst actuations were false it seems and yah his marriage really wasn't anyone else's business

[@YoshifreakZX]

Yeah I was part of the hate bandwagon too and I heavily regret it. At least I learned a lesson from it though.

[@MilenAnessar]

At least you guys regret it and still find truth, most I saw just join bashing him in the hate bandwagon then just moved on satisfied without ever look back of what happen next and still believe they're right. I remembered talking about Jared after everything cleared out for a while and then some people I know said "Oh that "send nude" cheating wife guy still doing things?", so I threw them his video dunno if they watch it but I hope they did so they can see the other side. About my stand when it was fresh, I was kinda neutral. I like his contents but not really a big fan or anything, and I was shock at everything throwing around the drama. All I thought was "If it's true that's bad, but I want to see every sides first before I can judge", I'm glad I had that thought.

[@belkitoFUERTE]

I actually met Jared about 10 years ago at SGC 2013, and he was really such a nice guy and was more than happy to take both a photo with me, but also entertain the idea of being the “jerk” on camera while I was recording with a camcorder (this was a long time ago, kids lol). He was one of those creators for me that when this news broke out, I was hoping for a happier resolution, and I was happy to see that he truly was the lovable dork I had met all those years ago after all.

[@dansmart3182]

It is strange how people switched on a dime to be pro revenge porn.

[@chavaspada]

Same with Hulk Hogan.

[@kwarra-an]

Yeah, it's super fucked up. It doesn't matter if you think the person did something bad (or if the person provably did something bad), it's awful to post that stuff.

[@jackthompson6383]

When the accusations came out I posted something on Twitter like, "let's wait and see the evidence first before we get the pitchforks out." Boy was that a mistake... was instantly flooded with a mob sending me nudes of Jared. It is what made me finally quit Twitter. Total cesspool.

[@iamnotthecia]

This video is like a case study against internet mob justice. I can't imagine how it must have felt for Jared. Glad he's doing better at least.

[@mizz_g0at270]

I remember tuning into his first Twitch stream after everything went down, and watching how grateful and overwhelmed he was with the support was a moment that will live with me forever. Dude was in tears at points, and the sub-train lasted for like an hour or two.

[@db_524]

Yeah I remember watching the 6 hour return stream on Twitch and the 3 hour vod of it on KZbin and crying with him throughout the whole thing too. It was very emotional and unforgettable moment.

[@meurigjenkins]

It's a shitty situation, because what Jared did was worthy of criticism, it was just paired with awful awful lies

[@Hollow_Phoenix]

Never seen such an interesting flip, from "ugh, yet another big KZbinr cheating" to "holy shit this guy took his time to get ALL the evidence lined up instead of fall prey to internet drama" Really inspiring tbh, mad respect gained for Jared. I do wish most people who piled onto him had come out and properly apologized, but internet drama is what it is, a race for attention then go silent when the truth comes out. Also felt really bad that *no one* reached out to him, damn.

[@cosmicspacething3474]

I think peanut butter gaming did reach out

[@iNabber]

another fantastic video from the king

[@JoonTheKing]

Thank you good sir

[@WillieManga]

This seems like something you would cover, but I am glad you didn't go after Jared either way, at least not on KZbin.

[@cpthardluck]

​@@JoonTheKingnah your vid is drama channel trash.

[@eyoshinthemaximum]

I will never forget the day ProJared released his response to the drama, and his line "I have the receipts" it was iconic

[@Paranomalous]

He couldn’t even deny the obvious truth.

[@weberman173]

@@Paranomalous could you please tell me who you are refereing to and which "obvious truth" he could not deny.... if you mean jared... he denied any accusation that actually matterd, namely that he isnt a pedophilia, and he at least gave us enough info to make up our own mind if he was an abusive asshole(because thats something that isnt easy to prove after the fact from a third partys perspective)

[@Paranomalous]

@@weberman173 Are you his lawyer? Because then you would know that there’s no coming back. If you aren’t, what a waste of time and money.

[@weberman173]

@@Paranomalous coming back to where? his channel is (ignoring subscribers which is a pretty bad metric to meassure someones sucess anyway as 70% or more are often Dead subs anyway that only count as a number without engaging in yoru content..) pretty much where it was before potentialy slightly worse off, his twitch channel is more sucesfull then before, he is earning enough money to live of it(or has enough saving even after the divorce for it to not matter) and he makes videos that he wants to make.... so his professional buisness side clearly came out ok. his reputation online is hit or miss, but its seemigly good enough that he can continue to recieve add revenue on twitch and YT etc. his personal life?`thats 100% not our problem, he talked to his lawyers, he had the proof and evidence, the divorce happend(or should by now) and most importantly.. there was no huge fucking arrest for him KNOWINGLY posessing and/or soliciting nudes from minors.... So that its pretty clear that any accusations in that regard where either untrue, or lacked any sort of supporting evidence required to get law enforcements involved. So once again, pray tell, which part of him will "never come back from this" as stated before professonally he is doing alright. Legally nothign came of this as far as we can tell. And privatly? thats his own thing to come to terms with, but given how he handels himself on video on stream, he seems to be genuinly happy again. thats littearly all that mattersI(as long as he makes enough to live obv)

[@Paranomalous]

@@weberman173 Then what are you defending against?

[@sirknight69]

Honestly im super glad i ended up watching this video. i remember when the drama was live and i only saw bits and peices and never got the full picture, im glad this video exists to change my long outdated perspective on projared that aside, that apology video was hands down the best one ive ever seen when it comes to yT drama apologies. No crying, no dramatics, just going over the situation and reciepts for it

[@elLooto]

When your partner asks for an "open relationship," youre already in one. The only correct response is "goodbye"

[@zazikikomo7796]

I had a friend who was a big fan of ProJared, I was unfamiliar with him myself. When all this went down I felt a little bad because I thought my friend might feel betrayed, but we lost contact for unrelated reasons. I hope he held out and remains a fan.

[@pinkeysherbet7249]

3:30 my girlfriend heard this and went “He DOESN’T want his head crushed by Chun-Li?! Coward!” 😂

[@callingcolleen]

What I’m taking from Heidi is “I got to fuck a bunch of dudes when I wanted to but Jared wasn’t allowed to talk to another woman without my consent” Sorry but she’s definitely not a victim

[@sebastiantafoya3609]

What I took from this: Jared could have said no to Holly and yet he chose to sleep with his friends wife. I am happy his channel didn't recover, Ross is a national treasure.

[@HenrikSven]

@@sebastiantafoya3609 No from what I understand they were no longer married at that point, so it wasn’t him sleeping with someone’s wife. Maybe make sure you actually know what you’re talking about before talking about how happy you are someone’s livelihood is much worse off.

[@LangkeeLongkee]

What I got was that he violated perimeters of their relationship. You can still cheat in a poly relationship. She withdrew her consent after that.

[@KaelumKrispr]

Yeah she's a very clear abuser, she really didn't suffer any backlash for trying to manipulate Jared

[@LangkeeLongkee]

@Chrry Cola yip, that's me. Just like a woman to recognize the boundaries of a relationship that were set and uphold them. Just like man like you to not give a shit.

[@johnnylchase]

Wish annotations were still a thing. Need to add a correction. Screwattack never worked with Doug Walker. TGWTG always saw Screwattack as competition.

[@SideScrollersPodcast]

lol competition. We always say them as... well... we didn't pay attention to them. Just saw them as a knock off us.

[@PMelling2293]

@@SideScrollersPodcast Smart. I don’t think anybody at Screwattack would make anything as revealingly bad as The Wall video.

[@lorddalek]

If anything Channel Awesome tried to ape Screwattack with Blistered Thumbs (which is a whole other mess).

[@cyanmanta]

This is a relatively minor point, but the May 2019 debacle also effectively ended one of my favorite series: Dice Camera Action. Holly and Jared worked on that series with Chris Perkins, Anna Prosser, and Natewantstobattle for years and it was still going strong after over 130 episodes. After all this happened, the series ended immediately. Holly, Anna, and Nate have all been able to appear in other professional D&D series since then, but I really miss that show.

[@db_524]

Yeah, I felt so bad for Chris, Anna, Nate, Jared, and Holly when that horrible situation canceled that show. Heidi successfully took down that important part of Jared and Holly’s careers, and that’s just despicable and disgusting. That’s one of the reasons why I’ll never forgive Heidi, she’s a very spiteful woman who will take anyone she hates down to get what she wants. I’ve been around people like Heidi before in toxic friendships/relationships in the past, that’s how I knew Heidi was bad news.

[@retroescapism2126]

The ProJared situation hammered home how important taking the "wait and see what all sides show and tell" first is to true critial thinking

[@Cant-Tell-Corvus]

Having been there live for all of the drama, it's great to see some of the background to the drama. Great video as always Joon!

[@jackalope_butchery]

I've never understood why people dogged on Holly's appearance. Like wtf, Repzion making the Gollum reference was embarrassing to see. Small thing to fixate on, I know. Just confusing. Internet mobs are weird.

[@swanmeet]

All the people that made fun of her and Jared’s appearances in this thing only revealed the profound ugliness in themselves.

[@Abomdosnow]

Worst part was Holly was cuter than Heidi tbh

[@jackalope_butchery]

@@Abomdosnow FOR REAL

[@accounfour2402]

@@Abomdosnow exactly, she has good features but just drew her eyebrows wrong that day

[@carolinaferreira5890]

That was disgusting to watch, man. Jared getting dunk on for his looks already sucks, but what Repzion did was straight up objectifying the women in the situation, like the only thing that mattered was how they looked. But then, not surprised, just watch how people like to opinate on any relatively famous person's dating life like it's any of their business lol

[@sandwichmonster7067]

He may never fully recover what he lost from the drama, but I'm glad he's done so enough to at least get to 888k subs and hope to see him reach that 1 mil :)

[@Nickle_King]

Here's hoping.

[@TheHobatron]

This drama taught me a lot of lessons about public fallouts. Case in point: very different situation, but when all the shit regarding the DOOM Eternal OST went down and Marty Stratton released his statement, while the rest of thr Internet turned on Mick Gordon, I genuinely felt like there was a lot not being said. I kept faith in that and was vindicated when Mick released his statement 2 years later. Without this ProJared situation first, I probably would have turned on Mick like everyone one else did.

[@Archer_RS]

Fucking adore turning these on while doing college work, thanks so much for the entertainment! Always so well done and interesting.

[@kgblagden]

As someone who works remotely they're nice to have on in the bg.

[@KalmoK]

Fockin' adoo m8!!!

[@db_524]

Indeed, Joon’s videos are another perfect background noise for me as well.

[@meezerpleezer]

This whole situation is a perfect example of people just showcasing their own rotten cores. Everybody just got real 3rd grader-y with it and started insulting these people's looks. As if every one of them was sittin there at their computer looking like George Clooney. All those people calling them names were rotten on the inside and in my book, that's way worse than looking like an average human being on the outside. They wanted to shame people for cheating and lying (without evidence) as if they were on the right side morally but then also just shit all over them for their looks. Yeah, sounds great. Sounds like you're all just really upright, upstanding citizens.

[@levantine1978]

I couldn't agree more. It was perfect encapsulation of what these people find important - appearances. It was all shallow and transparent; the internet equivalent of trash TV. And like you said, for all the body-shaming, it was a whole lot of people who probably shouldn't be throwing stones themselves (by their own standards). And don't get me started on that same community's silence on those who shared his nudes without permission. I wasn't super tuned into this situation when it happened but this breakdown is really enlightening. Drama videos can be entertaining but it's important to remember that these are people and just because you hear something on the internet doesn't make it true.

[@Sceptonic]

These are the same people who cry wolf and call others racists and sexists for not agreeing with them.

[@mikeexits]

The internet really magnifies peoples' psychological issues and puts them on full display. It's like parts of the human subconscious turned inside out. You can really tell a lot about someone when they get emotionally inflamed about something that has little to no personal relevance to their actual lives, as in, their firsthand experience of existing outside of technological augmentation via the internet.

[@humblegamer7876]

Thats a lot of words to skip over and whitewash the part where he was still sourcing his fan communities for people to do little roleplay picture trading bullshit with lol

[@VelvetAura]

@@humblegamer7876 ok and? Jared has already come clean about all of it and said that he regrets doing it. There is explicit proof that Heidi even supported these actions up until she flipped the script on him. Also wtf does whitewash even mean in this circumstance

[@hugoblick5800]

Thank you Joon for giving this story attention, a lot of KZbin commentators made videos about him when he was down but never when he had the receipts.

[@bladethevamp]

I like how people use to love Hollie, say stuff like “she’s a queen” and saying she’s pretty and then instantly turning to “she’s Gollum” after she did something people didn’t like lol

[@bluedistortions]

Probably all self proclaimed feminists as well.

[@TheFawse]

I think that Jared saying he wants to exit the marriage with “style and grace” comes from the Donkey Kong rap from DK64, no joke. It’s the only other place I’ve ever heard it said, and he seems like the type to put it in there. Whether intentionally or not Even if this isn’t the case, I choose to believe that it is because that’s hilarious

[@NightFlyStudio]

It's so disgusting what people can do. How they jump on bandwagons just because it's popular. How hatefully people can be even though they don't know you. I know that Jared isn't a saint, none of us are. But it was just crazy to me the amount of hate the internet conjured, reaped the benefits, and left unapologetically when Jared finally defended himself. Very few internet personalities have endured what he has and for him to still be around and thriving is amazing.

[@beardalaxy]

As much as I hate to bring it up, Vinesauce had a sort of cancelation attempt made against him a couple years ago. In the wake of the whole ProJared debacle, it was really crazy to see the entire community back up Vinny. It's heartening that sometimes we do learn from our mistakes.

[@QuJee]

the issue I have with that drama is howguys like Mandalore got away scottfree. Was the first who tweeted about it , made a followup to reaffirm his believe in the legitemacy of the document, only to walk back on it after fanbacklash grew more than support. No half-hearted appology will make me support Mandalore ever again. Because fact is: he wouldnt have apologized if vinny's fans werent so vocal in their support. He is a snake and his youtube career is bigger than ever, whereas Vinesauce sometimes still has that lingering smell, where he says something related to the situation but out of context and people bring it up in the comments. its just unfair

[@DoYouLiekMudkipz_]

All corners of the internet backing vinny against bullshit comes with the territory of being an elder god of streaming.

[@rayvenkman2087]

Wait, what happened?

[@beardalaxy]

@@rayvenkman2087 in a nutshell, someone collected a few reports of vinny's sex life and most of it seemed super fake, and the parts that seemed like they could be real were honestly just very human regardless. was probably geepm who was just trying to get vinny canceled but ended up canceling himself over the whole incident and retired from streaming.

[@DirectorOfChaos9292]

Oh God... That debacle emotionally DESTROYED Vinny. It was so bad he actually broke down a bit in one of his update videos.

[@Mayonnaisesucks730]

Repzion talking about anyone’s appearance is beyond ironic

[@marshtomp8]

As is H3H3

[@ericpeterson9110]

Literally calling a normal looking girl to gollum while looking like that. Gives hard "nice guy" vibes.

[@theactualTVB]

A broken marriage out of 10

[@henrycrabs3497]

Get this to the top boys

[@TriforceElder08]

A screw attack type documentary would be nice, it would cover a lot of the more popular longer lasting legends of content creation. Good video my dude.

[@cashblaster3475]

People on Twitter seem so desperate to see people destroyed whenever something like this occurs, no patience, no restraint, they just want to see blood

[@BknMoonStudios]

They want validation and clout. A lot of people do, not just on Twitter. It's why you don't see "social media activists" champion actually positive causes like fighting global warming or demanding change of the exploitative healthcare in America. Because they gain no recognition for doing so.

[@JackedThor-so]

Yep. Lindsay Ellis' career on KZbin was basically destroyed because she compared Raya and the Last Dragon to Avatar the Last Airbender. Not even joking.

[@acunt]

not twitter, just Internet in general.

[@rayvenkman2087]

They all love the blood til their peers starts smelling theirs’ and then they cry foul.

[@Nickle_King]

@@acunt Not incorrect, but Twitter has been proven to do things to drive anger to the forefront in order to get more clicks. People will be people, but Twitter is essentially an unambiguously evil arms dealer in social conflicts.

[@michaellastname8340]

Ethan and Hila laughing over how another person looks is wild.

[@LC-iw3ll]

People hated on Jared because he fucked multiple baddies and were jealous

[@EQOAnostalgia]

@@LC-iw3ll tf does that even mean? lol.

[@weebs1051]

@@EQOAnostalgiathey’re not ugly but they aren’t Victoria secret models either. Ethan is an obese middle age man with a receding hairline and hila is just a normal looking girl

[@Milliethepumpkin]

The fact that Jared legitimately recovered from all this, and still makes videos as entertaining as ever is great.

[@insensitive919]

Hell, his content is BETTER, I have to say. I kinda miss Miss Editor though.

[@Superluigi881]

I've been guilty of joining in the mob mentality a few times before. This was the first time I had to stop and look at myself and what I was doing. I acted like I was above it all but still immediately took the allegations as fact. It's honestly quite scary how I genuinely considered turning on one of my favourite content creators just because the mob told me to. Granted I didn't get that involved outside of a few remarks (Not at his appearance though. I don't recall going that far.) but it's the way I was swayed so easily that gets to me to this day. I still slip sometimes but I'm trying to be better now.

[@mikeexits]

Assumptions can tell you a *lot* about human psychology, especially the individual who is expressing or operating based on assumption. Assumptions are the root of so much interpersonal strife and conflict that could be prevented by being a bit more open-minded and not so quick to jump to conclusions. Honestly, seeing through assumption can be a blessing and a curse. The blessing part is obvious from what I already said here, but it can be a curse because assumption is such a common phenomenon that if you try to pick each one apart as they come up and address them immediately, it can drive you "crazy" (metaphorically). I speak from experience here. At some point you have to just let them slide and work around them despite knowing the deeper roots of them, because the person making the assumptions won't take very kindly to your perspective, otherwise they wouldn't be so attached to said assumptions in the first place. I think this was an important lesson for a lot of people. I've always (as in throughout my late teenage and adult life) enjoyed thinking about the internet at its current stage as being in its "teenage hormonal" phase, as a lot of people are taking lessons from public events (such as this or the Depp vs Heard trial) to continue maturing bit by bit. I'd love to see the internet in its "wisened old sage" stage of maturity haha.

[@cooraa]

Man this could almost be a modern Milgram experiment. Doing always as the mob says, relieving oneself of all responsibility and just accepting "orders" or in their case evidence as universal truths without thinking for oneself for even a second. I want to say it's pathetic but maybe it's just human nature. I mean how many times do we need to cancel a new victim only for the angry mob to later realise "theres two sides to every story, oops-". I'm not exempt from it although I haven't publicly defamed a person ever. This cancel -> forgive process is so exhausting and shameful.

[@harrisonhurst6480]

We only hope to be better than our past selves.

[@tomasxfranco]

I don't get why the mob thinks they should participate in anything like this as if it was their business to prosecute the accused. If it's conflict within a relationship, it's not. If it's alleged criminal behavior, it's not. I don't see it as anything else than being gossipy entitled assholes as if your opinion on the matter should carry some weight. Is there something I am missing?

[@Superluigi881]

@@tomasxfranco People have been gossiping about the famous and judging them and their personal lives for a long time. Hell some of the mainstream makes a living off it with their god awful celebrity magazines. And with popular internet users it's the same story. In the past I'd have said not to the same extent but tbh it probably is at this point. Thanks Twitter.