Lies of P Is Better Than Elden Ring

[@BBQcheese]

I mean, I watched the whole video and while I respect your point of view I don't really get why it needed to be made into a video in the first place let alone one that's almost 50 minutes. It doesn't really matter much of an attempt to draw comparisons between the two games tbh. The entire thing could be condensed into 'The shorter and more linear nature of LoP appeals to me more than the long open world of ER' which is a fine take to have but it's also obvious that some people feel this way, at least to me... Even the points regarding your particular station in life aren't really compelling. I'm also a father who works full time and has limited free time. Conversely I appreciate ER because of that. I don't have a lot of time or money to invest into new things and I'm therefore very grateful I've been able to get children be enjoyment from a single product for as long as I have. I love LoP as well, but for different reasons. Regardless, I'm glad you've found a game that appeals to you. I'm sure you're a good dude, this just popped up in my recommended and I checked it out but I feel like it could have been a lot shorter and made the same points is all... Have a good one.

[@inspektahmcduck]

I really, truly appreciate your candor here. This is way more helpful than someone just saying "Yep I agree" or "No you're wrong." That being said, I think the points you're making are pretty easily resolved: Why did I make the video in the first place? Because it's a topic that interests me and I wanted to share my thoughts. Easy. I also want Elden Ring players who have never tried Lies of P to consider giving it a shot. People are watching the video (including yourself), so regardless of whether you personally think it provides value or not, I'd imagine that there are those who do find it interesting. In fact-if you read some of the comments on it then you'll get to meet them. Why isn't the video shorter? 1) Because I felt that the weight of my arguments needed as much data and reasoning behind them as possible, so that my opinion is not only clearly stated but also thoroughly explained in a way so that no one who finishes the video will say, "I still don't understand why you feel this way. 2) Because there are plenty of people who do enjoy long-form content on this platform, and watch hours are important when someone (me) is trying to grow a channel. You say you don't find my "particular station in life" (I think you meant "situation") compelling, yet you personally related to it and felt compelled to discuss it with me. That's a win-win in my book. Could I have condensed the video and still made the same points? Yes. Would you have still disagreed with those points and said they're the same reasons why you appreciate Elden Ring more? Also yes. So-in this case at least-the length is inconsequential because you clicked on it and watched it anyway despite knowing upfront how long it was. Maybe you expected something different, but it still brought you to my channel, you still watched the video, and you still engaged with me. Again, all wins in my book. I will say, for the record, that I am not generally a fan of long-form content like this. If this popped up on my feed and I noticed its length I probably wouldn't have even clicked on it. And that's my final point: this video is not something I would normally make and is serving as an experiment, more or less...and you've given me some excellent data. Sincerely, thank you!

[@BBQcheese]

​@@inspektahmcduck I never meant to imply the video had no value just that I think it could have been more condensed. Sorry. Also, when talking about your situation in life, the point I was trying to make was that despite me being in a similar situation I have come to the opposite conclusion on ER. So because I don't have as much time and money to invest in games I'm thankful that I've been able to get so much of both of of this one game. Hopefully I'm making sense, I was just trying to say that sometimes similar reasons can lead to different conclusions. Should have been more clear on that. In any case, I was just trying to provide constructive feedback and I'm glad it was received that way. You're a good dude and getting more people to play Lies of P is something I can definitely get behind.

[@inspektahmcduck]

@BBQcheese Yep you're good, and you seem like a good dude too. I completely get that the reply value, bang-for-your-buck aspect of Elden Ring appeals to you. It feels like you're getting every dollar out of your purchase and that's great. I feel the same way about Lies of P because it's fun to play repeatedly and practice and challenge myself to master it. You definitely provided constructive feedback and again, I appreciate it. Your comments and sentiments are exactly the types of things I need to hear so that I can consider them the next time I make a vid; way more than all the people who are just saying "Nah bro, you're wrong because XYZ" and it's obvious that they aren't even watching the video before commenting. :)

[@BBQcheese]

​@@inspektahmcduck LoP is honestly very difficult to master. I've done a no leveling run and also no hit most of the bosses on max NG which was a good time so yeah the game definitely has a lot to give if you really want to dig into it's combat. I've honestly been really itching to play it again but I'm trying to hold off until the DLC releases.

[@inspektahmcduck]

@bbqcheese I haven't tried any challenge runs in LoP yet aside from a no HUD run but I plan on doing a no leveling run soon. I'm actually in the middle of a SL1 run in Dark Souls right now, which I just realized the other day that I have never done before. Once I'm finished with that I'll try no leveling in LoP.

[@einarrjamesson9643]

As ive gotten older ive started to notice that open worlds are pretty but they have too much going on and i dont have days and days to devote to that kind of things anymore. Ive grown to appreciate the tighter experience

[@bobbywyatt3]

You can beat Elden Ring fairly quickly if you chose too & your opinion is fine for every single person to have an opinion absolutely & preferences. Individual opinions especially those drastically off the " main " % of people's opinions as a whole your opinion doesn't change reality. There are people who don't like GTA or Red Dead 2 that doesn't make those games they like better games. That's called Individual preferences & opinions. Reality is sales, awards, studio recognition, money made, reviews etcetera

[@einarrjamesson9643]

@bobbywyatt3 yes, you can, but bum rushing my first experience of a game isn't why I play games. Outside of the click/rage bait title did myself or the author actually claim linear games are "better"?

[@bobbywyatt3]

@einarrjamesson9643 no bro you have every right to play whatever games you like & it should be that way. You also have every right to make any video you want. I was just saying that just like Elden Ring isn't a better game because I think it is. Elden Ring is a better game based off the facts the data. No bro you have every right & i agree with you that for you like Lies of P better & i respect that it's better for you. Just don't agree with saying because your preference it makes it a better game in reality for everyone.

[@bobbywyatt3]

@einarrjamesson9643 I subscribed to your channel & i respect you for asking videos doing what you enjoy. Keep going bro you'll get where you want to get whether that be subscribers, a career or a hobby whatever that maybe. Keep going bro. Grow as a streamer you'll get where you want to

[@bobbywyatt3]

@einarrjamesson9643 also i don't play any souls games that way either. I work 60 to 80 hours a week. Elden Ring like Sekiro came out on my birthday. It took me over a year to finish my first playthrough because I can't game all the time like you said kids, responsibility etcetera no doubt. I still loved it now after I beat it I since finished 4 playthroughs in less than a year including with the DLC which by the way is as big as a regular game. I finished 4 playthroughs in less than a year after that first one took me a year & half. I just didn't have time. Once I knew where everything was & the proper route for the build I was playing it goes much faster. Dark Souls 3 bro there is nothing in Lies of P remotely close to Ashes of Ariendal or ringed city. I love Lies of P is hated that it didn't have more complexity to it & that the items were disappointing i did love the game i just had time accept for me it wasn't a souls like. Take the Surge games those are soulslike are they better than lies of P doubtful but they are soulslike. Surge 2 particularly a great game. I'd have to go back & play them again to be fair in comparison but lies of P I played recently & it's a great game. Your stance is 10000% legit bro & maybe I'm wrong about the soulslike I'm not wrong about Elden Ring being a better game on Macro level. To each individual that's great there's diversity & great you like Lies of P more that's micro level & I'll say maybe I am wrong that years ago we got 1 or 2 soulslike a year & now they literally come out every week & I'm saying now because of elden ring there is a sub genre of " soulslike " a subgenre to the original genre soulslike

[@bobdobbz9334]

I prefer Elden Ring, but Lies of P is awesome. I think it is the only "soulslike" to reach the standard of excellence set by Fromsoft.

[@inspektahmcduck]

Yeah, I worry that a lot of people wrote off Lies of P because of the initial impressions of it and never played it. I pretty much made this video entirely to try to convince people to give it a shot.

[@eziothedeadpoet]

@@bobdobbz9334 Honestly after trying Sekiro, then going to Remnant from The ashes and a few lighter Souls Likes like The Star Wars Jedi series until I finally played Lies of P and then Elden Ring I have to say Neowiz surpassed Fromsoftware on all accounts especially in regards to how polished the game feels and how good the quality of the PC port is (native PlayStation Icon support that you don't need to use mods to get for example). Fromsoftware games are probably better than the impression I had/have of most of them. But despite being the birthplace of the souls genre I think Fromsoftware could learn a lot from the quality standard delivered by Neowiz.

[@bobdobbz9334]

@inspektahmcduck I really hope there's a sequel. That teaser at the end got me excited.

[@eziothedeadpoet]

@@bobdobbz9334 They already confirmed a DLC and a Sequel for Lies of P. 🥳

[@bobdobbz9334]

@@eziothedeadpoet 🥳

[@wyldeman7]

Going the wrong way at the beginning of dark soul isnt reslly being dumb, thats a design choice. They face you in the wrong direction specifically for you to go that direction and fail. Then to try other directions, to teach you to explore and try other things. I think most of us did this same thing snd once we realized the choices we had, thats when we realized the genius of dark souls. Or when we came up from blighttown to magically arrive back a firelink. Which is an absolute top moment in the history of video game. Thats why new players should never select the master key, to have that experience.

[@inspektahmcduck]

I agree 100%, and even now I rarely choose the master key as a starting gift because I prefer reliving the experiences of my first playthrough.

[@Tib-45-BT]

Lies of P is a true Soulslike game. While it doesn’t bring many groundbreaking innovations, but its level design and boss fights have a unique charm. It made me even more excited about the future Soulsgames

[@bobdobbz9334]

@@Tib-45-BT I think the weapon customization is pretty groundbreaking. Being able to change the moveset of a weapon by swapping the handle offers more build variations. And it's just fun to experiment with.

[@Fiiilll3]

AND its not that laggy and overall well optimized and the story telling is heart warming as its literally about how to even be or become a human and so on

[@Tib-45-BT]

@@bobdobbz9334 But the fact that weapons can break completely ruins the flow of combat. FS removed weapon durability for a reason

[@bobdobbz9334]

@Tib-45-BT But it's not like you need to use a consumable to repair weapons. You can just use the grinder at any time. I didn't feel it interrupted combat, just added something else to pay attention to. Plus P looks cool as hell sharpening his weapon. I actually thought it felt very satisfying. You have to reload a gun right? I just treated it like I was 'reloading' my melee weapons. Mechanically it functions more or less the same.

[@bobdobbz9334]

@@Tib-45-BT Out of durability = out of ammo Time to replenish.

[@vicmanvalfre96]

Lies of P made me feel like I was Playing Bioshock 1 with all the best features of Souls and Bloodborne combat. Can't count the amount of times I've stopped to take in the architecture or the view. It's also great to have a cosy hub with relatively normal people living in it for once, kinda like Majula in DS2.

[@inspektahmcduck]

I almost mentioned Bioshock when talking about the world and setting but didn't want to add more games (and potential confusion) to the mix. You're absolutely right though. And I never made the connection with Majula but I agree with you there too. The lighting, the peaceful music...Majula is the best Souls hub because it feels cosy, as you said, and the Hotel definitely gives the same vibes. It feels like "home."

[@Hey-Its-Sara]

The Majula comparison is interesting because I've found that when I first played Lies of P it reminded me of DS2 far more often than any other Fromsoft game. And I don't mean that as a bad thing at all!

[@inspektahmcduck]

That's really interesting. Is there anything tangible about your experience that you can tie back to DS2, or was this more of a general sentiment?

[@Darkheart1413]

You describing your personality and how it comes into play when gaming… that’s so me. Open world games are a nightmare for me because of this, I usually ignore them. The completionist aspect ruins me because i’m stubborn as fuck, even if I’m not particularly enjoying something I’ll force myself to do it just to beat it. Which makes games with difficulty even more frustrating

[@inspektahmcduck]

There have been a handful of times I've also forced myself to do something even if I'm not particularly enjoying it, because once I've committed myself to it I have to see it through or I'll feel disappointed with myself. I'm sorry to hear you experience the same frustrations as I do, but it's also nice to know that we're not alone in this feeling.

[@Darkheart1413]

@@inspektahmcduck Yeh I’m playing Rise Of The Ronin at the moment and forcing myself to beat everyone in the dojo at master level, when theres no real need… Team ninja games get me bad aha Yeh not alone, and i’m also with you in that elden ring really should have had aspects of living civilisation, just areas where people are gathered. Or even having more peaceful enemies, why the hell the albunaurics attacking us, I have no quarrel with them but if they want to throw hands I’m gonna fight back. Lies Of P is amazing, I think I loved the story in that as much as the gameplay

[@inspektahmcduck]

Haha I agree completely about the albinaurics, and having more peaceful enemies in general. At least we have some of the undead guys who are playing with flowers or whatever and ignore you until/unless you attack one of their friends.

[@matman000000]

While ER is a massive accomplishment for its scale, it often sacrifices quality for quantity. The game's highs go throught the roof, but its lows are all the more annoying because they are repeated and stretched out way more than in previous Fromsoft games. Recycled bosses and dungeons make the world feel more generic, like the fights are no longer climactic story moments but just mechanical challenges. Horse combat can be very unreliable and frustrating. Bosses with neverending combos often feel like they were designed for Sekiro's or Bloodborne's combat system, not the more defensive DS-like style of ER. Pretty much everything after Leyndell feels rushed and unfinished. Fromsoft's obtuse quest design becomes disfunctional in an open world because it's incredibly easy to miss or forget an important NPC, item or an entire location (seriously why is there no quest log?). As much as I enjoyed the game, I'd need to really push myself into replaying it, unlike their smaller, but tightly designed previous games with better pacing.

[@inspektahmcduck]

Very well said. Elden Ring is one of my favorite games of all time, and it's so big that it's pretty easy to nitpick, but I agree that most of what you said are valid criticisms that take away from the experience more than add to it. I can only explore so many catacombs and caves before I start feeling obligated to do it. It does make sense that they'd reuse so much material because it would be impossible to make the game that big if everything was completely unique (or it would take 12 years to make, like GTA 6), so this was a way for them to make a giant open game while being "efficient" with their resources. Personally though, I'd rather them cut out half of the caves and dungeons and make it a smaller, but tighter (and still open world) experience. And NPCs...yes. I can't imagine anyone being able to complete some of them without a guide. Not all of them of course, but the open world design definitely does make it all too easy to miss/screw up an NPC quest. I also want to point out that a lot of people were mad or frustrated that it took two years for the Shadow of the Erdtree DLC to release, but it makes sense-they created a ton of new assets for it, new enemies and environments. There's a balance between quality and quantity, and the DLC really feels like they leaned more into "quality," which I appreciate.

[@vazazell5967]

Finally someone mentioned that the world makes no sense with church placement and goals

[@Dabedidabe]

Yeah, I thought I was insane for noticing hoe ridiculous the world is x)

[@trumbogrumbo363]

I'm also a completionist with analysis paralysis, so pretty much everything you said about Elden Ring and Lies of P was spot on for me as well. Now you're making me want to play through Lies of P again

[@inspektahmcduck]

I'm glad you could relate! (Though I'm also sorry that you can 😅) Have you played DS1 before?

[@trumbogrumbo363]

@inspektahmcduck yeah I played them all but Demon Souls. Though since I'd always heard how hard it was, on my first playthrough I just assumed the catacombs was the normal starting difficulty and I ended up bashing myself against it until I managed to get myself stuck in them since I didnt have the teleport back yet lol. My second playthrough was much more fun.

[@inspektahmcduck]

Ah yes. The catacombs are such a pain when you're a new player. But cool, I was just going to recommend trying out the Dark Souls games if you like Lies of P but hadn't given those a shot yet!

[@eziothedeadpoet]

Lies of P is the best (souls) game Fromsoftware (n)ever made.

[@sidcomegys4154]

Ehh tenchu and armored core: phantom both blow this out of the water

[@FatalGod404]

@@sidcomegys4154Sekiro and Bloodborne also blow Lies of P out of the water too

[@combofriend4461]

I definitely didn't like the lack of an engaging/driving story and direction when i first started playing. Until i started pursuing a specific build which gave me more concrete goals early on, and that gradually puled me in. I once that happened tho, venturing into places i shouldn't have been yet was one of my most fun experiences in gaming ever

[@bobbywyatt3]

Hey man I subscribed to your channel & while I disagree & I've said why in comments I respect you making videos & this video & I think you should keep making videos & that whatever your goal is i believe you'll reach it

[@inspektahmcduck]

I really appreciate that, man. Thanks for the support. My only goal is to someday monetize KZbin enough to be able to buy myself a beer from the earnings, which is surprisingly way harder than it seems!

[@Dabedidabe]

After hearing so many people talk about how immersive the world is and me just being like: "How do you immerse yourself?! It's as mechanical as can be and not believable at all", it's kinda cathartic to finally hear someone mention this about the world. Thank you! I got tired of the open world in Liurnia and rushed the rest, I had to grind eventually, because I was severely underleveled. So you can ignore some of it, but you do have to do a lot of the content to be able to finish it.

[@The_One_Cosmos]

Dark Souls had one of my all time favorite attack mechanisms. The Long Sword has a thrust attack that you can follow up to an upward slash that rips through the opponent. The upward follow up attack also staggers the opponent enough to for you take another action before being attacked. It works well against skeletons, especially with a fire infused sword.

[@inspektahmcduck]

Ah yes, I remember this very clearly because I used a long sword for almost the entirety of my initial playthrough. Mid-rolling, sword and shield Knight. The thrust attack of the long sword almost felt like an unfair advantage at times and I probably would have had a much harder time with The Duke's Archives without it. Good stuff.

[@dj69-]

Okay guys, the essence what the video is all about is he loves his wife more than video games.

[@inspektahmcduck]

Ha! This guy gets it 😎

[@gustavoayala3521]

Yes, bigger is not better.

[@whyjordie]

I completely agree with all of your points here. It’s a beautiful video essay and I’m shocked you have so few followers. Lies of P was my first Souls Like ever, all my friends said I could never beat it because I prefer to play games on easy, but I got half way through Lies of P and will finish it eventually even if every boss fight thus far took me a week to complete. I tried Elden Ring and didn’t like it because of the open world aspect and choice paralysis, same as you. It’s why I don’t like Breath of the Wild either, too much choice and no handholding. A little handholding never hurt anyone, in my opinion lol. Thank you for making my lunch hour entertaining with this video. Cheers 🎉

[@inspektahmcduck]

First, thank you for the compliments on the video and for sitting through the whole thing! I truly appreciate it and comments like yours are very encouraging. Second, I've spoken with a lot of people whose first Soulslike was Lies of P and that makes me really happy. The Souls games are incredible overall but I think Lies of P is a great introduction to the basic style of gameplay, and I'm impressed that you're sticking with it despite its difficulty. It really is a beautiful game and story and a totally rewarding experience. Best of luck, and thanks for spending your lunch hour with me!

[@bobbywyatt3]

I have to say bro Lies of P isn't a true souls like. Being said you should absolutely play the games you want to play. Lies of P is a souls like from the point that a dozen " souls like " games come out a month. So there's a sub genre of the real genre now. There's the old school souls like you'd get 1 or 2 every year if you were lucky maybe every other year. Now a sub genre exists called " souls like " that aren't true souls like. The success of elden ring is mainly the reason for this. Elden Ring itself absolutely a souls like made by fromsoft its a true souls like but not for the reasons bloodborn is a soulslike & sekiro is a souls like. Anyways you should absolutely game how you want to game

[@inspektahmcduck]

@bobbywyatt3 I agree with your point in general, with people willing to slap the term "Soulslike" on way too many games these days and now it's a term that has become a bit of a platitude. But, I completely disagree with your perspective on Lies of P because it actually FEELS like a FromSoft game when you play it, amongst other things that I explained in the video. The term may have lost its meaning a bit and is definitely overused but Lies of P is an exception. That being said, we can of course agree to disagree and, like you said, game how we want to game!

[@bobbywyatt3]

@inspektahmcduck right I do like Lies of P i do & Elden Ring is a true soulslike because it's fromsoft & the depth is there however it isn't truly like Dark Souls & Miyazaki did make clear from day 1 it wasn't dark souls. I do love Lies of P i just think the linearity & the parrying system along with the issues with true strength build due to lack of any real poise now I played it when it came out maybe they fixed poise. Regardless I love the video I subscribed

[@bobbywyatt3]

@inspektahmcduck yes it's a good entry point it is still a soulslike I just think nowadays there are to many. I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR LIES OF P IS A LEGIT GAME

[@plasmiusphantom]

Bro came to Elden Ring as Roderika "It's all a bit overwhelming" 😁

[@inspektahmcduck]

Haha, accurate. "I'm just a milksop craven. Please take me back to Lordran."

[@YaShKa833]

love your content. I know you don't get much views, but hope you will have enough motivation to keep doing videos on things you have in mind

[@inspektahmcduck]

Thanks! I really appreciate that. I have more ideas than I have motivation and I have more motivation than I have time, so...I'm sure I'll be around pretty inconsistently. :)

[@vazazell5967]

Hot take is calling the worst souls game anything but elden mid

[@KilleRB_5883]

This was a well laid out explanation of why linear game design is still very appealing to some players. I also suffer from the Paradox of Choice, not only in my gaming time, but even down to choosing what vehicle or electronics to purchase. Let's just say I have been accused of "doing my homework" and knowing more about a product than the prospective sales reps. You probably know what I am talking about. Because of this, Bloodborne has been more enticing and welcoming as a FromSoft title than the Dark Souls series. It not only has a bit more of a linear design, but it also limits the weapons to 26 trick weapons as opposed to Elden Ring's massive 402 weapon count. I simply don't have that kind of time to devote to every single build and even if I had the time, I don't know if I would want to commit to additional run throughs to see every build in action through to the end of the game. Just imagine...402 weapons, if you can manage a quick 10 hour play through...still equates to 4000 hours. I have been through Bloodborne no less than 110 times and have a total of 1330 hours of play time and that game is now 10 years old. I would like to experience something new every once in a while and with the linear experiences like what you have described in Lies of P in mind, this may be just what the doctor ordered. Subbed!

[@inspektahmcduck]

Excellent feedback, and of course I'm on the same page as you. When my wife and I first bought our house and I needed a lawnmower, I did research for almost 3 days before I finally made a decision on which one to get. She thought I was crazy. Thanks for commenting, and thanks for the Sub!

[@ezekielbello1951]

I love your videos and the way you can piece together and dissect the story and turn it into something easy to understand. Would you ever make video talking about Paracelsus from Lies of P and his involvement in Kraft Disaster and the clues the game gives as to who he really is?

[@inspektahmcduck]

At this point I really don't think there's enough information in the game to warrant an entire video about Paracelsus, just because I try to create my theories based on as many facts as possible and with him I'd have to lean way heavier into speculation. There may be more information about him than we realize but there aren't as many obvious ties as I'd like; though I am considering making a video with micro-theories about several characters, each who are interesting but maybe don't need an entire video dedicated to them.

[@wutup3x]

Currently playing & LOVING elden ring. I was immediately interested in Lies of P when I saw the preview but didn't start it. Lastly, I couldn't get into elden ring until I followed a youtube vid that helped me start off with some better weapons & armor. Then, I fully got into it & now I'm exploring every area & sidequest & boss🔥

[@inspektahmcduck]

That's great! Elden Ring is an amazing game and I hope you continue enjoying your time with it. Have you tried any of the Dark Souls games? They're a bit easier to get into just because they're not as big and open (and way more linear in general), so once you finish ER you should check them out if not. After you play Lies of P, of course. :)

[@WoodChippes]

This video is amazing- Your editing is great and your ability to describe your experiences is impressive. I subbed.

[@inspektahmcduck]

Awesome, thank you for saying so. I appreciate your support!

[@upinzmoke]

Lies of P replay value… almost none. Lies of P is great game for maybe 2 or 3 goes and then the game collects dust, to never be touched again unless your dropping a DLC ( the one we were promised last year and now this Q1…). It’s too linear for new iterations of play throughs on top of the lesser build options.

[@inspektahmcduck]

I guess it's true that the linear nature of the game makes it tough to see what the appeal of revisiting it would be, though with Lies of P there are specific incentives for diving into NG+1 and NG+2 like unlocking more items and abilities that are impossible to get in a single playthrough. That being said, I find the enjoyment of playing through it multiple times not in trying new builds but in challenging myself to get better at it...like trying to beat bosses by taking no damage or doing an entire run without using the HUD. I see it like this: Playing Lies of P is like learning to cook a steak, and doing it over and over until you're a master at making this steak. Playing Elden Ring is like learning to cook a steak, and it's fine, but then you learn how to bake a potato, and then you learn how to make a pie. It's more about quantity and a wide variety of options-which is great for some people-but I'm more interested in that one really good steak.

[@upinzmoke]

@@inspektahmcduck I get it, I’ve done NG in two different builds and NG+ cycles as well. Play for perfect fights and parry guards as well but outside of the too linear game play design my other thing is that each individual enemy and boss has their own timings and move sets, and many of them are not very well transcribed so it’s a die and then win instead of learn and then win type of fight. You can’t build upon on each fight and bring what you learned into the next as much like you can with ER. Yea you can learn each individual boss and move set of enemy’s but I can’t take that previous fight and use that as a building block into the next which I think is the biggest formula piece missing. I don’t disagree, it’s a phenomenal game but for me personally, I think saying it has more replay value than ER is quite a far stretch. But for a first full on studio game, they have a ton of potential. Add building blocks from fight to fight and get rid of the shit mob fights and gank fights, and lastly do a better job of telegraphing the move sets coming so the player can make use of building blocks better. Still a phenomenal game!

[@inspektahmcduck]

Sure, I can see all of your points and they make sense to me. The only counter-argument I'll throw out is that I feel like Elden Ring has too many "giant guys with a weapon" bosses just like in Dark Souls 2. Margit, Morgott, Godfrey, Mohg...for the most part you really just need to learn how to telegraph a weapon swing-which may be what you're referring to by saying you build upon what you've learned in each fight-but I prefer Lies of P in that most of the bosses are pretty unique so you kind of have to slow down and pay attention and learn the nuances of each one. Still, we can agree to disagree, and at the end of the day I also think that Elden Ring is a phenomenal game!

[@harlanjames8398]

My man spitting absolute fax

[@MakingLemonadeFromLemons]

I have to use guides on most games to feel confident in getting through levels, especially since I'm a completionist as well. Lies of P was my first souls-like game, and I played through ng+5. I played through the DS series afterward. I'm playing through Elden Ring right now, and I agree with so many of your points. I definitely like the way neowiz provided Lore and that the lore felt more complete than in any of FromSoft games. I look forward to the DLC being released this year. The one point I disagreed with was mounted combat. I feel it makes it easy mode to sprint around enemies, weaving around while getting shots in, but each person plays differently. The music of Lies of P really helped with mood, immersion, and storytelling. The musical pieces in FromSoft games are all epic pieces, but I think emotionally, Lies of P music pulls it together much more seamlessly.

[@inspektahmcduck]

Exactly, I appreciate how much of the lore they give you while still giving you plenty to interpret and theorize about yourself. You also make a great point about the music and I agree completely--each of the records you find are genuinely good songs, in my opinion. The whole game is so well put together. Oh, and I do agree that in certain situations fighting on horseback can be useful, but I found it frustrating overall and it takes a lot more time to defeat enemies than if you just do it yourself. Thanks for your feedback!

[@Skengman-op]

Lies of P was my first entry into the souls genre and i hated it at first. Learned to play the game the way it wants to be played and LOVED IT. I am on my fourth play through. Easily in my top 5 games of all time. The combat is insane. I felt bad ass with every perfect parry. Tried to recapture that same feeling with Eldin ring. Different game. Loved it till i reached the end game. The bosses do not play by the rules anymore. I went from feeling bad ass and really good when i beat a boss to just glad that fight is over. Overall i agree with your take. But lies of p wouldn’t be what it is without fromsoftware. Can’t wait for the lies of p DLc

[@eziothedeadpoet]

"I went from feeling bad ass and really good when i beat a boss to just glad that fight is over. " I play with seemless coop and for the majority of the later bosses I decided to call my friends up to join me cause the bosses just felt like a chore and that no matter how much I levelel up I am always underleveld and it doesn't help that dying to a boss gets your runes stuck in the boss room. And with no real level marker on the enemies and regions you are set up for frustration. Effectively playing Elden Ring went from being oh this is interesting but different, to ok I think I am linking it now straight up into toxic relationship. I hope that this will get better over time. I think I have seen around 1/3 of what the basegame has to offer so there might be a chance for it. But I can say already that I probably won't buy nor play the DLC. I might buy Nightreign tho IF the Digital Foundry performance review is out and the game doesn't have the freeze bug that currently requires a mod to fix and it has native PS5 Controller buttons for it's UI on PC.

[@Skengman-op]

@ “i always feel under levelled” That’s soo real! levelling up seems useless in the late game for sure. The bosses are just absurd. Never felt like i was making progress no matter how long i memorise the combos. Didn’t use a summon till the godskin duo. Cause wtf was that!

[@Skengman-op]

@ @ “i always feel under levelled” That’s soo real! levelling up seems useless in the late game for sure. The bosses are just absurd. Never felt like i was making progress no matter how long i memorise the combos. Didn’t use a summon till the godskin duo. Cause wtf was that!

[@july_inkz]

No way. I love Lies of P. It’s absolutely amazing, but Elden Ring is far more superior w so much more to offer. If you want a way shorter game I could understand. A more reasonable case would be against Bloodborne. These are all amazing games. I’m finishing Dark Souls I rn and I have to say it’s been incredible as well as Dark Souls lll.

[@kenethernandez6246]

Disagree. More to offer does not equal superior or better. Elden ring has more weapons but a lot are re-skins. It offers more bosses but most are just reused. It's a bigger game with a large map but the majority is empty space. Elden ring in many areas was a step down from the quality that fromsoft tends to bring to the table and was plagued with performance issues from the start. LoP runs perfectly on all platforms and the game has never crashed for me a single time in over 7 playthroughs. Then there's all the other great stuff it offers like the amazing weapon system, simple but genius health regen system, far better quest tracking without out right holding your hand, no stat requirements that block you from using weapons, far easier to re-spec for different builds, armor and cosmetics being separated which is genius, your ergo being left at the start of the boss arena so you don't have to waste time running in to get it like in souls games and the list goes on. LoP is a modest project in comparison with ER or most of fromsoft games in general but it does so much things right that I can't place ER above it.

[@july_inkz]

@ Elden Ring is far more superior than all Souls/Souls like games. It offers everything. It’s number one for the genre for no reason.

[@kenethernandez6246]

@@july_inkz Except it's not.

[@july_inkz]

@ tell it to the souls community. Elden Rings is peak. Offers more playing and simple.

[@TheAlphazoneYT]

I wouldn’t go that far. Lies of P is a masterpiece, one of my favorites of all time, and better than all the Dark Souls games for sure. But Elden Ring is the closest thing to perfection in gaming. There’s just no topping it.

[@Call0045]

Not trying to sound harsh nor offensive but I would not say Elden Ring is anywhere close to perfection. Because the boss design in Elden Ring is severely downgraded compared to previous FROM Software titles. Credit where credit is due, a lot of the bosses in ER are great, but none reach the peak from Bloodborne, DS3 nor Sekiro imo. On the other hand, it could be said otherwise for Lies of P tho. It doesn't have the same bombastical visual spectacle Elden Ring have for some of it's bosses, but mechanically speaking, they are a lot more engaging to fight (in my opinion, that is). It all comes down to LoP's boss design feels they were indeed made for P's possible movesets and abilities. Meanwhile, I honestly feel like Elden Ring boss design is "a mess". Some feel they were designed for the current player character, but others feel they were trying to hard to make the bosses "difficult" or just trying to compensate for the amount of tools they've given players to beat said bosses. It all comes down to opinions, of course. I absolutely respect yours, just wanted to leave my thoughts regarding the topic since it's *the* main thing that brings it down to me. And a really subtantial part of the experience for a game that is often called "perfect" or "close to perfection".

[@Ghorda9]

@@Call0045 i massively disagree with you there, elden ring has better bosses than DS3 and bloodborne. They are more fun to refight because their more complicated and require more than just dodging or gun parry. A some of the endgame and a portion of the dlc bosses are better than Gael and Midir for example.

[@inspektahmcduck]

@Call0045 I agree with you about the bosses in Elden Ring. They do generally feel more along the lines of "big dude in armor" that I feel like plagued DS2 and 3 somewhat, in the base game at least. Bloodborne bosses beat them, I think. But I do also think @Ghorda9 is right about some of them in Elden Ring being more complicated and requiring more thought than just being able to dodge react and win-especially the DLC bosses, which had some awesome designs. That being said, every single major boss fight in Lies of P feels truly unique (aside from one fairly obvious exception) and I find it them much more fun and rewarding to fight than most FromSoft bosses...which is something that hurts my soul a little to say (no pun intended) because of my absolute love for FromSoft, but we have to give credit where its due. Lies of P is a masterclass in boss design.

[@Ghorda9]

@ elden ring remembrance bosses don't feel samey at all, Grodrick and Maleketh don't even feel like a "big dude in armour" and the dlc barely has any of those.

[@ck2969]

Lil bro really said lies of gey is better than all the dark souls game 💀🤣

[@genitusritus]

I can only say that I was so relieved when the outro finally ran on Elden Ring. I'm to old for that grind😅

[@autumn223s]

Bro has never heard of a pilgrimage. Many cases in real life where cathedrals or monasteries in very secluded area. A random check with nothing around is pretty normal

[@inspektahmcduck]

Bro thanks bro for bro's wisdom and insight, but bro's original point still stands that the world feels too empty. Churches were an easy example because they're some of the only structures we see aside from forts and castles. Thanks for watching the video!

[@autumn223s]

@@inspektahmcduck that’s a simply false statement. Dumming down the areas in Elden ring to just forts and castles is absurd. in Limgrave alone you have chests that teleport you to mine systems. minor erdtrees that give you special cracked tears, the dragon ruins, multiple catacombs with multiple bosses, and the entire entrance to Sifora river. Different chapels to increase your power that are repeated to be easily recognizable. Not to mention these “forts and castles” are entire sprawling legacy dungeons. For a video about how lies of P is better than Elden ring im not hearing anything besides “it’s like dark souls one so it’s better than Elden ring”

[@inspektahmcduck]

@autumn223s If you're not hearing what I'm saying then it seems like you're not listening to my argument as a whole and you're getting hung up on one example I cited about churches. I'm certainly not "dumbing down the areas to just forts and castles;" there are larger points I made in the video about Elden Ring feeling empty or why I like Lies of P better that you're either missing entirely or choosing to ignore. And that's fine-you can disagree with my opinion-just don't try to call me out on it if you're only going to focus on one specific aspect of it. That's called a straw man fallacy and it's really just a waste of your time and mine. Either way, I do genuinely thank you for watching the video and commenting!

[@autumn223s]

@@inspektahmcduck 1 you said you’re self that you don’t have a very good understanding of the story and yet you complain about it! Elden rings story uses dark souls 1 level design but for writing. The Elden ring is a powerful artifact that governs order, was shattered by Queen Marika the Eternal. This act led to the scattering of its fragments, known as Great Runes, among the demigod children of Marika, causing the world to descend into chaos. You, as the Tarnished, are called back to the Lands Between, tasked with collecting these Great Runes, mending the Elden Ring, and becoming the new Elden Lord to restore order or to further your own ambitions. Did you even talk to sir gideon?There not going to show you everything right away but if you poke around a bit IE the fingers or anyone in the round table hold like I said Or even THE OPEN WORLD many more options and aspect as well as endings of the game open up to you. Annoying locking of quests and NPCs has always been a part of the souls game in Elden ring it’s only been amplified cause it hit main stream so hard. In any good story you need consequences. being locked out of certain quest lines just because you did something wrong is not bad design that’s just souls games. I’m not excusing that it’s a pain in everyone’s butt but if everything always goes you’re way what’s the point in even doing the quest/ not to mention you said it you’re self Elden ring requires multiple play throughs which you don’t have time for… and yet you still complain about it You give the comparison that dark souls lightly guides the player where there supposed to go which is a stretch already knowing allot of those locations while Elden ring points you in the general location of the main quest it’s not on train tracks like dark souls is it’s still vague while adapting a light nudge for open world this entire video should have been “why I don’t like open world games” that would make ALOT more sense to everything you’re saying. You claim you’re a completionist and yet you say there’s to many weapons and spells. Aren’t those more items to collect and check off the box? You can’t get everything in one play through that incentivizes you to go back and play the game more to find different paths / builds and improve your skills I’ve played Elden ring multiple times and on my most recent account I’ve gotten all the way up to final fight in under 20 hours easily just by finding the items I need. Sounds like a skill issue at the end of the day

[@autumn223s]

@@inspektahmcduck 1 you said you’re self that you don’t have a very good understanding of the story and yet you complain about it! Elden rings story uses dark souls 1 level design but for writing. The Elden ring is a powerful artifact that governs order, was shattered by Queen Marika the Eternal. This act led to the scattering of its fragments, known as Great Runes, among the demigod children of Marika, causing the world to descend into chaos. You, as the Tarnished, are called back to the Lands Between, tasked with collecting these Great Runes, mending the Elden Ring, and becoming the new Elden Lord to restore order or to further your own ambitions. Did you even talk to sir gideon?There not going to show you everything right away but if you poke around a bit IE the fingers or anyone in the round table hold like I said Or even THE OPEN WORLD many more options and aspect as well as endings of the game open up to you. Annoying locking of quests and NPCs has always been a part of the souls game in Elden ring it’s only been amplified cause it hit main stream so hard. In any good story you need consequences. being locked out of certain quest lines just because you did something wrong is not bad design that’s just souls games. I’m not excusing that it’s a pain in everyone’s butt but if everything always goes you’re way what’s the point in even doing the quest/ not to mention you said it you’re self Elden ring requires multiple play throughs which you don’t have time for… and yet you still complain about it You give the comparison that dark souls lightly guides the player where there supposed to go which is a stretch already knowing allot of those locations while Elden ring points you in the general location of the main quest it’s not on train tracks like dark souls is it’s still vague while adapting a light nudge for open world this entire video should have been “why I don’t like open world games” that would make ALOT more sense to everything you’re saying. You claim you’re a completionist and yet you say there’s to many weapons and spells. Aren’t those more items to collect and check off the box? You can’t get everything in one play through that incentivizes you to go back and play the game more to find different paths / builds and improve your skills I’ve played Elden ring multiple times and on my most recent account I’ve gotten all the way up to final fight in under 20 hours easily just by finding the items I need. Sounds like a skill issue at the end of the day

[@macnamaryb7773]

I love how I have this exact same opinion, but more for the level design. Look at the vertical section of the Cathedral in LoP. It is one giant combat/navigation challenge that pulls no punches in mixing melee and ranged enemies over deadly falls and ambushes. That is so much the Dark Souls 1 design of combat encounters, like Sens fortress and the Archives, that I genuinely love. I can't think of a moment in all of Elden Ring that even remotely comes close to that one room. The best is I can think of is the first Catacombs of the DLC, with the long hallway with the collapsing ceiling, ricocheting magic, and imps in ambush. But even then, that room is so short compared to the cathedral room, and is on post game content, as opposed to the cathedral which is the fourth level of LoP. Ultimately, Elden Ring seems afraid to make enemies genuine threats. They have moveset complexity, but no way to stop the player from ignoring them. LoP uses the environment, ambushes, ranged enemies, and sometimes, genuine straight up doors that won't open until the elite enemy guarding it is defeated (like the top of that vertical room in the cathedral). Bosses in Elden Ring drop the meat of Runes for leveling, whereas LoP seems to spread it amongst the enemies. Bosses in LoP drop shockingly low Ergo amounts compared to Elden Ring, thus giving players a desire to fight through areas do they will be on level with the bosses.

[@inspektahmcduck]

All fantastic points and I agree. The Cathedral is probably my favorite area in Lies of P for the exact same reasons you mentioned. Unfortunately the very first time I experienced analog drift in my controller was when I was running across a Cathedral beam and P decided to suddenly run sideways and off the edge. 😬 There are a few instances in Elden Ring where I think it's closer to what you're wanting to happen but still not exactly the same. Crucible Knights, for instance, block your way sometimes and are some of the more exciting enemies to fight in my opinion, but it's usually pretty easy to run past them. So for the most part, yeah- Elden Ring makes it too easy to just run past big things you don't want to deal with and then rewards you handsomely for beating a boss. I'd never considered that aspect of Lies of P giving you ergo more regularly throughout and you're right-I never once in Lies of P felt underpowered or felt like I needed to farm a couple of levels so that I could advance. It's really well-balanced overall.

[@bobbywyatt3]

@macnamaryb7773 that's because it's not a true a souls like. It's a part of the sub genre of the genre souls like. This is due to the success of elden ring & fromsoft becoming much more mainstream with the amount of sales edlen ring had. Elden Ring is a soulslike its fromsoft however it's not a soulslike in the way bloodborn & sekiro were. Used to be you'd get a soulslike 1 or 2 times a year now there are a dozen each month. While Lies of P is a great game its not like Demons Souls or Dark Souls which is the " souls " part of " soulslike "

[@Dr.UldenWascht]

Great presentation. Your video is a sweet love letter to LoP and it deserves to be watched. And although we may partially disagree on what hurts Elden Ring as an experience, I fully agree on the strong points you made regarding Lies of P. I have +400 hours on ER and half of that in LoP but I enjoyed my time with LoP probably twice as much as ER. LoP was the first game after Dark Souls that compelled me to do a Level 1 run (no P-Organ, no Legion, no items) as a mere mortal, and I enjoyed it even more than I did the SL1 of DS1. The lore is simple, but it has some twists and turns; they clearly built upon the existing story and it did surprise me at times. As you mentioned, the combat feels more measured and deliberate, and every mechanic actually means something and can be used in conjunction with others. You CAN use guarding as part of your strategy even if your build isn't tailored to that. All in all, LoP made an optimist out of me when dealing with aspiring non-FromSoft soulslikes. I expect the DLC will be just as great.

[@inspektahmcduck]

Very well said on all points, and I appreciate the praise. I haven't attempted a Level 1 run on Lies of P yet but it's on my list; I'm actually in the middle of my first-ever SL1 run of Dark Souls (long overdue--I know!). Thanks again for watching and for the support!

[@ezkerretik]

Dude, I’m 53, played all these games and platinumed most. I LOVE lies of P, incredibly immersive, can’t wait for the dlc. I really really enjoyed your video, very relatable. Subscribed

[@inspektahmcduck]

Awesome, thank you so much for the kind words! I'm glad you found value in it (and the games). Thanks for the sub, and onward to the DLC!

[@slaytheskullkid7538]

I believe Lies of P is one of the best Soulslike game to exist that has no relationship to Fromsoft. Imo the combat is much better than Elden Ring.

[@DionPanday]

Did bro really say Devil may cry is a mindless button masher?

[@inspektahmcduck]

Hahaha, I was waiting for this comment. When I was editing the video I was like "Dang, this is a bad example and someone is going to call me out on it." Admittedly I only played DMC1-3 (the originals on PS2) but I know there's an art to them for sure. In the moment though I was about to say God of War and stopped myself for the same reason, and then blurted out DMC. 😬

[@pennygirl015]

Lies of P is the only souls game I've never gotten tired of despite 600+ hours. And im dodge only, yet despite not interacting with a core mechanic, each playthrough is still incredibly fun. And that music is heavenly.

[@inspektahmcduck]

That's interesting that you're dodge only and still love the game so much. It speaks a lot to the quality of the game, that's for sure. And I agree completely about the music-I would have talked about it in the video if I had something to say about the music in FromSoft's games, but I didn't, and wanted to keep this as much of a direct comparison as possible. On a side note, with that many hours into the game: what are your favorite weapons to use?

[@pennygirl015]

@ I’m a proof of Humanity main. I just think a scissor sword that can split into two is really cool. It’s too bad it doesn’t take a whole lot from Nameless Puppets moveset though.

[@inspektahmcduck]

I don't think I've ever used that in an actual playthrough-I messed around with it a bit on the puppets at the hotel but not beyond that. I can't remember why exactly because I know a lot of people love that weapon. I've also never used the Puppet Ripper and the same thing applies there.

[@pennygirl015]

@inspektahmcduck It's just fun to use. It is outclassed by other weapons like the trident, though. The fable art is really good though. I've gotten upwards of 6000 damage with it before.

[@kreacher6599]

Great quality video. Subscribed

[@inspektahmcduck]

Awesome, thanks for the support!

[@BBQcheese]

Also, I'm not all the way gay but I do find the character from LoP to be extremely hot! 😍

[@Boc_theSeamster]

I am all the way gay and I don't find him attractive at all. I personally find the Ds2 default male character more appealing. That's funny

[@Barney_rubble983]

Well it's a boy puppet not a man so that won't make you gay, it'd make you a ?

[@someguythatdoesstuff7658]

I love both these amazing games equally. I wish though that Lies of P had vertical dodge mechanics like jumping and ducking.

[@Starflddrms74]

Did you play Elden Ring NG+? That’s how you beeline it to the quests you want to see alternates for

[@inspektahmcduck]

I did, I eventually made it to NG+3 I think and completed all of the quests. You're right, it's definitely easier to beeline once you have a full build and aren't starting from scratch.

[@MrZpoint]

Lies of P was my gateway to souls. Came for the art style, stayed for gameplay.

[@Mamotraxer21]

I dont know about Elden Ring, but Lies of P definetly better then Bloodborne. Man this game so overrated by sonyboys

[@SamuelPerez-rw6ee]

Such a great experience to be sure It was my first soulslike, I loved/hated it so much

[@inspektahmcduck]

Had you played the Souls games before and this was just your first Soulslike, or was Lies of P your first souls-anything? I'm curious how that may have affected your experience!

[@m3anmug]

I noticed on Lies of P gameplay the character has the same outfit on every clip. Does it not have a armor system? I love DS & ER for the Diablo style loot that shows on my character. Lies of P looks interesting but that would be a let down to not find any gear but weapons.

[@inspektahmcduck]

Great question and I hadn't considered that my video might make this confusing. Short answer is no-there isn't an armor system, technically. There are a ton of different outfits that you can wear for fashion but none of it affects your character or your build. There's an Amulet system, which is basically the same as Rings in Souls games. You can equip amulets that boost your defense or your resistances, or give you extra attack power or other bonuses. Stuff like that. The biggest thing though is a Skill Tree that lets you unlock certain abilities to customize your playstyle, like giving you extra heals or making your attacks do more stagger damage; stuff like that. I only stuck to one outfit for the footage in this video out of simplicity, but now I can see why that might have been confusing. Definitely give Lies of P a shot because there's more to the loot/customization than I showed in this video, but you do have to beat a couple of bosses before you unlock the Skill Tree mechanic. Hope that helps.

[@m3anmug]

@@inspektahmcduck Thanks.

[@XOXOcel]

35:10 and onwards are exactly why I gravitate towards Lies of P much more compared to other souls games. Another game that I feel does a good job within this aspect is Steelrising. And like LoP with Bloodborne, Steelrising gets that same treatment with the whole LoP comparison :(( 38:06 I'm dying hahahaha

[@inspektahmcduck]

I bought Steel Rising on sale a while ago and have yet to play it. I'm really excited to try it out. It definitely feels more along the lines of Lies of P than Bloodborne. I think people jump to the Bloodborne comparison so quickly just because it's an easy generalization.

[@eziothedeadpoet]

@@inspektahmcduck Yeah the more I played Lies of P the less I would agree with it but I can also see why people love to use it as the elevator pitch for the game. Cause it is the easiest comparison early on that needs the least amount of "corrections" when comparing game systems (at least when pitching it to someone who knows and likes Fromsoftware games).

[@inspektahmcduck]

@eziothedeadpoet Right. The locales are similar at a glance, there are similar themes (people are trapped indoors because it's too dangerous to go outside) and there are similar mechanics (like health regen when attacking, or using charged heavy attacks to break stances). And if that's enough of an argument to get someone to play Lies of P then great, but hopefully most people can see past that initial comparison once they dive into it.

[@matthewlobel2421]

You mean to tell me you didnt form connections with the people at the roundtable hold? You didnt get that sense that even though people worshipped the fingers there was a malevolent aspect to its existence? The question part way through the game where you ask yourself “am i even doing the right thing?” Crazy

[@inspektahmcduck]

You started on the right path but I think you got sidetracked a bit. My issue isn't as much about enjoying the story as it is feeling like I'm doing all of this for a totally barren land. Sure, I connected with some of the NPCs (Fia for sure), and the revelations about the Two Fingers in the DLC was probably my favorite thing about it, but for the most part I felt like I was killing gods just for the sake of it. In Dark Souls the world is at risk; in Lies of P the world is at risk; in Elden Ring there's never any mention of what might happen if I don't become Elden Lord. It seems like there aren't any stakes, so-compared to the other two games-I felt that my actions weren't really that significant, if that makes sense.

[@matthewlobel2421]

@ i can see that. I always feel like we are playing the bad guy though, like us sort of mindlessly following instructions helped me with the immersion. Lies of p was on a whole different level though. Im glad its getting the attention it deserves!

[@inspektahmcduck]

Yeah that's a fair point, FromSoft has a history of making you feel like you're doing the right thing when in reality that's not always the case.

[@imsmrt23otherstuff]

Lies of P was the first non fromsoft soulslike game that i really enjoyed. I didnt enjoy the deflect mechanic as much as the souls standard ones but lies of p made me appreciate sekiros mechanics more. I went back to do a second playthrough of sekiro afterwards and found it so much easier because of my experience with lies of p. I played lies of p on gamepass when it came out and i dont have gp anymore, but this video made me want to buy it and play it again on steam. Oh and the music for lies of p... I dont think ive listened to another game soundtrack besides ff7 that many times on repeat. It really does feel like Neowiz's love letter to Sekiro.

[@inspektahmcduck]

I agree with you completely, and what's hilarious to me is that I've been meaning to go back through Sekiro again ever since playing Lies of P and I haven't taken the time to yet; however, I did open up an old save file specifically to capture some footage for this video and was surprised and how much...easier(?) it was than I was expecting it to be. And the music, yeah. It's really on a different level for sure. So beautiful and well done.

[@DrKreiger]

This is largely why I still like bloodborne more than elden ring.

[@WealthyHomeless]

You sir, deserve the same criticism as Elden Ring.

[@inspektahmcduck]

Thank you, I'm honored to be compared to one of the greatest video games of all time!

[@deathmetalshinobi]

I love them both picking one over the other didnt even occur to me.

[@zohebsaikia]

Very well said..im very much in agreement with you

[@Hey-Its-Sara]

I'm someone who has dedicated thousands of hours of my free time to Elden Ring and has finished it many times across many characters, and yet I also prefer the non-open-world Fromsoft game design. I'm a completionist, I enjoy going through every nook and canny of a game, picking up all the items, buying all the spells, doing all the quests, even on my nth playthrough. Especially Fromsoft games, which are so well made and so densely packed that it makes me want to experience everything they have to offer, even if I've seen it all before. And I think Elden Ring's open world design actually hurts the game's replayability. Because it spreads the explorable areas out, increases the distance and time needed to reach the next item, fight, checkpoint, etc. It makes the game less dense and slower, and to me it feels less rewarding to play. DS1 is also my favorite game of all time, closely followed by Bloodborne and Elden Ring. I adore Elden Ring. I find the lore of the world and the storytelling utterly fascinating and ridiculously detailed and obtuse, and I love all the character building options and stupidly cool and powerful weapons and spells. And yet, when I get the itch to play a Souls game, I almost always pick a different game, because the open world unfortunately makes Elden Ring kind of a slog for me to get through.

[@Hey-Its-Sara]

And yeah, Lies of P is amazing and you did a really fantastic job explaining why. 👏 I think at this point I personally prefer Lies of P over the latter two Dark Souls games, both of which I love dearly.

[@inspektahmcduck]

^^ I feel like this comment is what I would get if I threw all of my notes for this video into a Large Language Model and asked it to distill all of my arguments into a few sentences. You perfectly nailed (and aligned) with all of the points I was trying to make. I'm glad to hear you can relate! Thanks for commenting!

[@kaimamoonfury1335]

I couldn't play erdtree, I tried pretty hard, but having almost all of my previous progression invalidated by the scadu fragments, and the fact that building HP is so important that it loops back on itself to become pointLESS. Why do I stack vigor and then get two shotted anyway? Why did I put all those points into a stat that didn't give me any damage, and then I die immediately anyway? I put 30 levels into HP for like, two more seconds of learning time, as so many enemies have consecutive epileptic fits that you need to map out AND remember which is which in a larger repertoire of epileptic attacks. Vigor is all important or you get one shot, but things do so much damage that you are only buying yourself one or two more hits, like my whole health bar might as well just be two pixels, because if I'm not at full health I die. The game struggles with this stuff, but they get way worse in the DLC, they just took all of this stuff so far that it became obtuse and unfun. It felt more like a response to people who said the game was easy than a meaningful development of what was already on offer. And I'm not even going into the cpu unabashedly and unmistakably reading your inputs, I beat the game 4 times, and after a certain point you can't deny what you're seeing. A game I honestly loved, and grew to hate over time, the DLC was the nail in the coffin for me. It really is just amped up Dark Souls, but with less of an idea of what it's trying to be.

[@kaimamoonfury1335]

The jumping attacks are stupid too. Lol. There's a place for them for sure, but not as they are.

[@inspektahmcduck]

I do agree that the Scadutree fragments system feels pretty cheap. FromSoft has always intended for their DLC to be end-game material, but forcing this arbitrary extra difficulty on us felt unnecessary. I wonder if they did it partly just to force us to explore every inch of the map.

[@NeverUseAnApostrophe]

Hahaha, Marika as the jealous girlfriend.

[@inspektahmcduck]

I'm glad you picked up on that; I wasn't sure if it was obvious enough!

[@HotPocketEnjoyer]

Elden ring is soo good but Lies of P man oh man the story is just perfect and the gameplay and satisfying enemies environments it goes on and on and on. So good.

[@TheCanadianFrog]

Amazingly done my friend 👍🐸

[@inspektahmcduck]

Thank you, thank you!

[@kenethernandez6246]

Lies of Peak is easily my favorite souls like game by a mile. My top 2 favorite fromsoft games are Sekiro and DS3, and I put Lies of P up there easily. I just wish they didn't nerf the game cuz people were struggling when it came out. It feels a bit too easy now, but it still slaps. I'm just waiting for the dlc now, and hopefully, they will take the fromsoft approach of making dlc bosses more difficult. That's gonna be a day 1 purchase for me.

[@inspektahmcduck]

What's really interesting to me is that NG+ is objectively more difficult than a brand new run. If for whatever reason you haven't tried it yet, give it a shot- the enemies hit way harder and a lot of bosses can kill you in 2-3 hits, which makes it a bit more challenging. I think all of the FromSoft games are actually easier on NG+ but Lies of P does it differently.

[@kenethernandez6246]

@inspektahmcduck I have one of my saves on ng+6 and another on ng+2. It's definitely harder but even ng+ got nerfed cuz the numbers that got adjusted were for the base game which is just tweaked for ng+ so by changing base stats this affected ng+ as well. Definitely harder than fromsoft games on ng+ except for sekiro without the charm and demon bell activated.

[@eziothedeadpoet]

One thing that really made me love Lies of P the whole time was how it didn't have the frustrating alternative routes that you are still too weak to accomplish and that it didn't have a fake out "you are supposed to lose"-boss. The game slowly teaches you and makes you naturally stronger as you progress. Elden Ring is a mess that guides you to certain deaths at any point it gets, so the only way to play is to ignore the main story and go the opposite way and hope that in doing so you find the "intended" (but not communicated) route through the game. I am still hooked and in the middle of my first ever playthrough of ER but without seamless co-op and sometimes sitting out bosses while my friends keep fighting after I am long dead I probably would have dropped it already despite being intrigued by the lore and the NPC quests that it has. (Also I started playing it in memory of a late friend for whom Elden Ring was one of his favorite games and if I hadn't started playing it for that I probably wouldn't be playing anymore cause the early game felt so bad and discouraging.)

[@inspektahmcduck]

So I agree with you in general but I do think that Margit (what you call a fake out "you're supposed to lose boss") was their way of guiding us through game design to let us know that you kind of HAVE to explore and level up a bit before you take this on. I felt the same way as you at first but in retrospect it was a very deliberate design choice, but it feels like the only one in the game. Once you beat Margit it really is a free-for all and I'm still not entirely sure when I'm SUPPOSED to go to Caelid. On a separate note, I'm sorry for your loss and I really hope you end up enjoying your Elden Ring experience and discovering on your own why your friend loved it so much. There are definitely some challenges ahead but the difficulty naturally evens out a bit more as you progress. FromSoft just loves to make people angry at the start of their games :) . The learning curve is definitely steep, but rewarding. Have fun and keep at it--you'll be glad you did for yourself, and for your friend.

[@eziothedeadpoet]

@inspektahmcduck Am liking it and have other friends that guide me through it.(They usually give me cryptic answers to my questions that also will lead me to things I'll prefer and we are playing seamless co-op.) But even then I would say that if I was forced to pick one game to keep forever and lose the other one, then I would probably still pick Lies of P (even or especially since I now have more Playtime in Elden Ring than what I needed to reach and beat Laxasia in NG+ while feeling I had way less story or content in that time in Elden Ring and instead mostly bloat to level up (aka the curse of the open world)). But also I hate that the open world makes it easier to miss quests because of the open world design. I fully missed (at least the first stage of Ranni's Questline because I beat the Maga Wyrm on my second try while exploring (because I wanted to reclaim my lost runes) and then beating Rannala which apparently progressed the stage of Ranni's quest making me miss her when I was exploring the area with her tower and if I didn't have the help of my friends who knew some of those triggers and that we need to beat Radahn (which even on a really high level was a fight where his build was a hard counter for my Playstyle making it feel discouraging) for her to "go" back there. I am still loving the game but I can't say I can hold it up high as a masterpiece some people praise it as. (On a technical level I really hate that I needed a mod to fix a freezing big where the game freezes for multiple seconds occasionally and a mod to get the UI for my DualSense controller that I use on PC which felt even more annoying because Fromsoftware has the assets and already has a setting in the menu where you meed to manually pick between M&K or Controller. That said those are minor annoyances that thanks to said mods I could ignore and just take the game for what it is, but they do make me worry about Neightreign cause I am/was looking forward to that but if it has the same freeze bug and no day one controller UI support then I would need to use mods and miss out on the co-op aspect which is the thing I am most looking forward too.)

[@inspektahmcduck]

The length and linearity of Lies of P definitely has its draws, for sure. And I agree completely about the NPC quest thing with Elden Ring; I did my first playthrough blind and once I finished I used guides for my second playthrough to see what I had missed. I thought I was pretty thorough with my first playthrough but I was pretty surprised to learn that there were several NPCs that I hadn't finished quests for and a couple that I'd never even met. One one hand it's neat that the game is so big that you can miss things like that; it makes it more "realistic" I guess. But on the other hand it's frustrating because it can feel like a chore trying to make sure you find it all. Also, sorry to hear about all of your technical issues. I played on PS5 so I can't relate, but I hope they get these things ironed out for Nightreign!

[@m3anmug]

I have played so many hours of Dark Souls and Elden Ring and still have no idea what is going on story wise. 😂

[@inspektahmcduck]

This is why we have wonderful theorycrafters on KZbin to help us understand everything about the Souls games! And, if you decide to try Lies of P, then you might be interested in checking out a few of my other videos because I get into some of the lore as well.

[@andreimaxwell4455]

The combat of Elden Ring is so old, this is dark souls 5 - demon souls, ds1, ds2, ds3 and now Elden Ring

[@vazazell5967]

And the issues that weren't too bad for slow games now make it awful to play against literal gods

[@187Wretched]

And I hope it doesn’t go away only modified or improved upon. Elden Ring added a posture break system, jumping attacks and dodge jumps, ashes of war which are better weapon arts, guard counter for shield users, brought back power stancing and more. And with how complex the bosses are it makes for a different experience if you engage with those mechanics. I saw so many people complain about the bosses for ER, especially the DLC meanwhile they were still treating the combat like DS3, only rolling and waiting for windows to attack

[@andreimaxwell4455]

​@ The combat is DS 2.5, it plays and feels like dark souls, your limited to dark souls formula based combat. The stiff bunny hopping and summoning spirit punching bags doesn't change the souls combat enough in Elden Ring, Bloodborne is an excellent example of bringing actual new things to the table - Trick weapons, dashing, rally system, gun parry, actual mechanics that really make combat much more immersive compared to single button ashes of war you can't even combo into.

[@Elyakel]

You really do a great job to convey what you like and don't like And i share most of your opinions for the two games I'm even more negative than you against elden ring xD Lies of p is the only souls like i love to play Hope your ready for the dlc :p

[@inspektahmcduck]

I'm glad you liked it! And yes, definitely excited about the DLC

[@LuckyRaphi]

Everyone can teleport with the grace so it doesn't matter where the churtch is 😂

[@inspektahmcduck]

Hm, that's actually a pretty interesting thought. Can everyone use graces to teleport, as long as they can see grace? I'm guessing that anyone who'd be going to church would be blessed with the Guidance of Grace anyway. You may be onto something!

[@LuckyRaphi]

@inspektahmcduck I guess when the world was built, the grace was stronger so teleporting was more common

[@rolly2533]

Bloodborne>Elden Ring>DS3>Lies of P

[@Pale_Hollow]

Nice video, Lies of P combat just didn't click for me and I didn't find the enemies challenged me enough to learn it (at least by the time I put it down at grand exhibition). Maybe I will change my build. I also found the level design a bit bland, the shortcuts were so common that it almost felt tedious. Nothing like the feeling they elicited for me in DS1. Overall, Nioh 1 is still my favourite non FROM soulslike.

[@inspektahmcduck]

You're right, most of the normal enemies aren't that challenging as long as you play carefully, but it's still pretty easy to get overconfident and screw up, especially in the later levels. The game does get a bit more difficult as you continue on. As for the shortcuts- I touched on this in the video, but I think they help the levels feel bigger than they really are. Aside from a few exceptions, the levels themselves are really not that expansive physically-especially compared to Dark Souls-but I think the devs were smart about how they interconnected all the different paths with ladders and shortcut doors to make it more immersive. They knew their limits and worked as best as they could within them and I think they got it right. As for Nioh, a few people have mentioned it and I tried it when it very first came out but I didn't care for it, mostly because of the stance system, but I may have to go back and give it another shot. Either way, thanks for watching and commenting!

[@Pale_Hollow]

@ Fair enough sir! We can agree to disagree on the level design. I don’t think it’s bad-just doesn’t do anything for me ✌🏻

[@inspektahmcduck]

Oh yeah, of course! Agreeing to disagree is the best part about having opinions!

[@krystofthepolishguytalksan310]

I prefer Elden Ring but Lies of P is probably my second favorite Soulslike! (Third is Dark Souls 3) and I myself reviewed Lies of P. Over a year ago at this point!

[@pepppepp276]

Great video but why haven’t you played Nioh 2. That is the best Soulslike clone bar none to the point where I don’t even want to call it a “Soulslike”.

[@inspektahmcduck]

I know I only showed two examples of other Soulslikes in my video, but I've played more than just Code Vein and Mortal Shell. I did play through most of the original Nioh but ended up getting bored and dropped it. I didn't care for the stance system and the story never grabbed me, and by the time Nioh 2 came out my list of games to play had grown so much that I still haven't gotten around to trying it. I know a lot of people love it, but my experiences with the first one have put it towards the bottom of my priority list, especially since I can only get through 1-3 games a year depending on their size.

[@averagesoul8256]

your rant about who is gonna pay for reconstruction was pretty funny ngl. Dark Souls is also my fav game ever and i too think elden ring is just meh and i absolutely despise the dlc. i also love lies of p despite its linearity. i was dissapointed when i saw nightreign. to me fromsoft has become mega stale, i dont want a new souls like i want a new idea , like they had with demon souls and dark souls , i want to feel like im learning a new type of game again not just that the combat is getting harder and i need better reflexes

[@inspektahmcduck]

I have a feeling that moving forward we'll start getting some more unique games and not just more Souls. I think there's only so much you can do with that style of game before people start getting tired of it, but I could be wrong. I do genuinely enjoy Elden Ring overall but I agree completely that I'm ready for more experiences like Sekiro where I have to learn a new game. Fortunately the success of Elden Ring has brought a lot of attention (and money) to FromSoft so they have more resources now to experiment and do different things.

[@eziothedeadpoet]

@@inspektahmcduck I would even go as far as claiming that Nightreign actually is one of those fresh takes and new Experiments since they also did confirm that it will have at least character story progression. (The progression likely won't feature fail states like the quests in Elden Ring and Lies of P have, but I expect it to go along the lines of Hades with its progression between runs.) But I guess I am kinda an oddball in regards to what I like about Elden Ring and what I "hate" about it. But open world fatigue is real and Elden Ring is no exception. Nightreign will very likely manage to shake it up enough to not suffer from it if the rogue lite mechanics are employed well.

[@Jshark82]

I feel u on the time constraint it severely limits my ability too play other games

[@TheProfanedSamurai]

I agree that it’s more fun to play. I feel the same about the other fromsoft games compared to Elden ring. I have more fun play ds1, bloodborne and even the old demons souls. Elden rings open world shown me that, I actually prefer the more linear approach than, an open world. Having a mount, that lets me run past almost everything, and a jump button, while having caves, and catacombs, that look like reskinned chalice dungeons, with a blown opportunity, to use ds2’s style ng plus. Makes a new play through, way more boring than the rest. The PvP is all that keeps the fun going if you’re into that. Now the only reason, I prefer others over lies of P. It’s a rather small reason, but I just love character creation, along with making my build. The one thing I really give Elden ring over the rest, is the ability to change ash of wars on weapons, making my characters even more unique. But id agree, as far as fun, lies, as well as the others are better.

[@inspektahmcduck]

Thanks for your input and I obviously agree with your points. It makes sense lore-wise why you can't create a unique character in Lies of P, but at least you can change his fashion around a bit to your liking. Also-one point I almost made in the video and decided to cut for time-is that the replay value of Lies of P, and NG+ specifically, is huge. It takes multiple playthroughs to unlock all of the Amulets, Weapons, Records, and P-Organ slots. Such a great way to add more content to a game while working within the restrictions you've got.

[@felipejonas7655]

I liked Lies of P more over most of From Software games lol

[@WorldBeater123]

I am a giant Lies of P fan! It was my game of the year. I replayed it a ton of times. However, Elden Ring is on a different level, it’s one of the best games ever made.

[@Boc_theSeamster]

I get where you're coming from, and I prefer linear stuff as well. But I feel like the title is a bit "hot takey" and is just there to get hate clicks and hate interactions when the actual video is more "It's not necessarily better, I just personally prefer that over Elden Ring's open world." Essentially what this will do is it will get Lies of P fans to clash with Elden Ring fans in a mess of hate and toxicity. You can see it already somewhat sprouting in the comments. Maybe if the title was a little less harsh people will be more willing to hear you out? Idk.

[@inspektahmcduck]

Ding ding! You hit the nail on the head. The truth is that I'm not a fan of clickbait but I'm trying to grow my channel. I asked several friends if I should be controversial and name the video this, or play it safer and call it "Lies of P is More Fun Than Elden Ring." Every single one of them said to be controversial to increase engagement, so that's what I did-and it seems to be working. That being said, if the title itself is making anyone less willing to actually watch the video and hear me out then I think that's an issue of their own tolerance and not being able to look past their strong personal opinions.

[@DHurd513]

Your multiple choice stress disorder can be resolved by multiple playthroughs

[@inspektahmcduck]

I did address this later in the video by saying that multiple playthroughs takes too much time. More time than I'm willing to dedicate to it, at least, but I did it anyway for Elden Ring because it's FromSoft and it's worth it. I just didn't have a ton of fun doing it.

[@TyeDye622]

I love both but I'll disagree with Lies of P being better than Elden Ring. I'm the opposite, I love huge open world games that I can get lost in for weeks and the map was perfect. While I do like Lies of Ps combat more, it just felt too short. I honestly hate playing games that I want more of and personally I wasn't satisfied with how short the game was. I'm just a super open world fan which is funny because my all time favorite games are Sekiro and Bloodborne, but Lies of P is phenomenal and it does feel like the next evolution of the Souls formula.

[@inspektahmcduck]

That's what these games so great-we each get something different out of them. Did you try playing through NG+ in Lies of P? It definitely is a much shorter game than most FromSoft titles (aside from probably DS1, if you know what you're doing), but the game gives you reasons to play through at least two more times in order to unlock all of the abilities, items, and weapons. And the 2nd playthrough is more rewarding from a lore perspective because of a specific mechanic that didn't exist the first time through. I don't want to spoil anything in case you haven't tried it but it's worth a shot. That being said-no amount of unlockables is going to make you enjoy the game better if the open world experience is really what hooks you, so to each his own, of course. Thanks for commenting!

[@nartali9683]

modern games are to big there is no question about it , i didnt even finish witcher 3 because of time rstrection and to be honest although it was an amaizing game too much of anything is too much. i loved older games because of the structures that gives you a goal that is attainable in a reasonable time, there is no shame in producig a game that can bee beaten in a 60 to 80 hours. i wish developers just make side quests more optional some times it feels that you have to do them to level up and be able to push forward in the story, sure you can lower the difficulty but then the game play would become boring and that option dosent exist in Elden ring.

[@inspektahmcduck]

I agree. Witcher 3 took me almost a full year to beat; my save file was around 230 hours when I was finished with it, but that's because I did absolutely everything, every side quest, got all of the armor, etc. I ended up finishing it out of obligation. It's amazing to see how far video games have come and how much content can be packed in them these days, but I agree that sometimes I want more structure in a game.

[@RyanSantos-cn5ij]

True that, Lies of P has everything fixed than Elden Ring, I played elden ring now Only because of the mods I added, Rune Lost Disabled, Field of View mod where my character is now in a fair distance from the camera so I can see what the hell is going during giant battles, cheaper Rune cost for level up and skip the death animation where you can load faster.

[@187Wretched]

Baby mode

[@RyanSantos-cn5ij]

@187Wretched what do you mean by baby mode?

[@NenEmitter]

I actually like lies of p more than Bloodborne

[@Pndrbx999]

My top tier souls like games are: Lies of P, Bloodborne, Sekiro and Black myth wukong

[@insatiablehunger2138]

1:24 I’ll save fellas time ITS PRETTY SIMPLE DS3 and lies of p are LINEAR it’s easy to do a million new game pluses, vs Elden ring its open world u don’t know where to start off from u always need a walkthrough

[@inspektahmcduck]

Well, it's really nowhere near that simple- plus I don't even talk about DS3 in this video aside from mentioning that I've played it, and I never said anything about needing walkthroughs in Elden Ring- but you're right about Lies of P being linear. Thanks for watching a few minutes of the video and assuming you've got it all figured out, but please don't take it upon yourself to "save fellas time" by grossly oversimplifying (and misrepresenting) my arguments. You can have a sticker for trying your best though! (⭐)

[@culturespot75]

Not even close, but it looks prettier. But so does Wu Kong which is basically a living cartoon. One thing I will say is that the writing in P is nice enough, adapted from a graphic novel I believe. But in terms of storytelling ER is in the top 5 of all time.

[@culturespot75]

However I like your video, it's just not my experience of playing modern games. I've taken a year over ER because I'm a fan of George AA Martin's writing up til now. And then I was fascinated by the online community around the game - but specifically KZbin and their game guides. That was a new experience for me- the YT video guide and exploration of the lore. And I will be frank too- I'm terrible with the fighting mechanics of these games; I've only made decent progress in Dark Soul I and still hit a brick wall. So what I appreciate about ER is the vast world and the kooky side-quest characters in particular. Their stories made a really fun, compulsive playing experience to put ER in the same vein as the classic GameCube Zeldas, the best Resident Evils, and Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. I assume you like P because you like combat in these Souls games- but I'm also terrible at it in that game and just see it as a linear aesthetic experience, a triumph of art direction. ER is the game for me because it's not inherently difficult to progress- the whole idea is immersion, multiple quests and endings, and some quite alarming moments too- think of Game of Thrones and the Lord of Light characters. Well done, anyway. If you want more of an impression of me, then I hate Bloodbourne aesthetically and in gameplay, while Sekiro is far too difficult for me; Dark Souls 2 makes no sense at all and DS 3 is just about running frantically to hit the new bonfire. I appreciate the remastered Demon Souls but have no patience for it now. So you could say ER is the perfect game for me on the same difficulty level as Red Dead Redemption 2, GTA 5 and Days Gone (though I'm yet to beat the DLC...)

[@inspektahmcduck]

Lies of P is definitely a "triumph in art direction" as you said. And given your explanation for what you like/dislike in a game, it makes sense that Elden Ring is your favorite. To each his own, and thanks for watching and commenting!

[@culturespot75]

@@inspektahmcduck I just felt there was something a bit lacking in P, matey, I haven't returned to it for months now- and the problem wasn't the difficulty but the lack of options and a poor explanation/presentation of the character building (weapons/abilities etc). Try the newish samurai game, that's a great one.

[@riomendoza1111]

I agree with this video. For some reason from soft games just don't hook me like LOP did. Not to mention how ugly they are imo. Idk if it's cause I'm color blind but LOP just look so much better to me and the story was amazing. I'm not sure I even know what the story is on any of those From Soft games it's like I need to read everything on the Internet to know what's even going on. Anyway I agree with this video even if some of you don't. That's what makes these games awesome. We all like what we like and that's ok.

[@inspektahmcduck]

Dropping in to say that I'm colorblind too! I think it's more a difference of Fromsoft games generally trying to adhere to that grim, dark fantasy vibe overall versus Lies of P going for something a bit more...hauntingly beautiful? And the story of Lies of P is definitely more accessible, but I'm hoping people who play it and enjoy it will consider trying some of Fromsoft's games in the future, even if the story is generally a bit more vague.

[@EldenLord555]

Lies of P was a blast! But Elden Ring is just so much better

[@inspektahmcduck]

You know, based on your username, I'm not at all surprised to hear this. :)

[@EldenLord555]

@ lmaooo I’m a fan. The game just offers so much more. The magic of a first Elden Ring playthrough is unmatched. That said, Lies of P is absolutely more focused and better suited for someone who doesn’t have as much gaming time. Still a fantastic game. Best souls-like by a mile.

[@JamalOlinda065]

​@@inspektahmcduckIt's his opinion bro

[@andreimaxwell4455]

Elden Ring was boring and has little replay value, its combat is far less engaging and open world is no breath of the wild

[@EldenLord555]

@@andreimaxwell4455 bro..please stop 😂 BOTW was great, but Elden Rings world is on a whole other level. And less engaging?…how so? Absolutely agree that it has less replay value, but I don’t judge games based on the RV. Not even going to comment on the “boring” remark. Sounds like u died one too many times and chalked it up to being “boring” lol

[@dundada101]

Lies of p is great but the lands between is the way ot is because because of several things. The night of the black knife the shattering etc. I also have to disagree. As big as the world is ot feels dense. Every corner you discover a new place.

[@inspektahmcduck]

Yep, I'm learning that everyone has a different perspective on what "dense" or "empty" means to them, and I think that's partly why opinions over the game are so divided

[@hyperactvehuman]

I think you will love metal gear rising revengeance

[@inspektahmcduck]

I haven't played a Metal Gear game since MGS3 so I honestly don't know if you're trolling or not. I've completely lost track of that franchise 😅

[@hyperactvehuman]

@@inspektahmcduck I'm talking since you said you liked the parry mechanic. Revengeance is all about parry..... It's not a stealth game, but more similar to Devil May Cry. But if you don't know how to parry (easy to actually), you are not going anywhere with this game. Give it a try.

[@inspektahmcduck]

Got it. Yeah, that does sound fun. I recently played the demo for The First Berserker Khazan and it's got a nice parry mechanic in it, and I'm also playing through Lords of the Fallen (the new one) and it has a similar system. If you like parrying too then you should check those out. And I'll add Revengeance to my list. Thanks for the recommendation.

[@sirsimp364]

This is my exact take as well I’ve completed the dlc and everything for elden ring but the size puts me off but I love I mean love lies of p and currently on my 2nd play through of dark souls 1 and I enjoy tighter games

[@AlehPoersch]

Lies of P is a 6/10.

[@inspektahmcduck]

Dang, so that must mean you think Elden Ring is like a 4/10 then? Wild

[@AlehPoersch]

@inspektahmcduck Elden Ring 11/10 Dark Souls 3 10/10 Dark Souls 10/10 Sekiro 10/10 Demon's Souls PS3 8/10 Dark Souls 2 8/10 (most bcs of lore)

[@inspektahmcduck]

Are you a bot? That's so many 1's and 0's that it looks like you're speaking in binary 🤖

[@andrei-cezarbleaje5519]

Then elden ring is a 4/10

[@AlehPoersch]

@@andrei-cezarbleaje5519 for low iq ppl

[@NeoSithole-b2b]

Truth be told Hate Lies of P (Yeah love the game) but I hate most of the weapons 1st the wind up attack to stagger enemies takes a little too long dodge once twice and then boom goes away 2nd I don't know why the character fucking poses after an attack bro stand like half a second after attacking 3rd This is just me and I should just get good at this point but parrying varies waaay too much between these games and it's a bit different and takes getting used to on a long note

[@inspektahmcduck]

On your 3rd point: I agree completely. I've never been able to get the parrying down to a science in any Souls game except DS1 (and Demon's Souls, since it plays the same). Parrying in the other games has never clicked for me, but my reaction speed is pretty slow I think. Either way I do think Lies of P did it right and the parrying feels more natural there-I feel like it's easier to time, and a little more forgiving-than in any of the other Souls games.

[@NeoSithole-b2b]

@@inspektahmcduck Damn maybe I just suck but I had it down in DS1 and once in a blue moon in DS3 and almost never in ER anyway I'm struggling in Lies of P I have to get the whole move-list before I get some good Parries and defeat the boss but this one I've been stuck on is really testing me "The Rabbit brotherhood" that big ass dude is faaast

[@inspektahmcduck]

Hahaha yeah, that big Black Rabbit Brotherhood dude actually ended up being one of my favorite guys to fight. I've probably fought him close to 30 times by now and still haven't mastered the parry timing on his entire moveset, but I've learned it well enough that it's typically more fun at this point than it is frustrating. Good luck and stick with it-it'll be worth it!

[@NeoSithole-b2b]

@@inspektahmcduck Thanx the 1st motto of DS still stands "Never go hollow" wrong game but whatever it still applies

[@BANDSMONEY]

Lie of p is nowhere near the greatness of elden ring. These are 2 different games besides the souls mechanics, ones open world ones linear, I'd get it if you said it was better that dark souls

[@inspektahmcduck]

You're right-they are two different games-and I think they're both great in their own right and I explain it all in the video. I just named the video this to get people riled up and engaged in discussion, and it looks like it's working. Thanks for commenting!

[@zaynthemane]

I like Lies of P but I’m not really a fan of these clickbait-y “x (less popular) thing is better than y (more popular) thing” videos. It just feels like these videos are made with intent to incite something by drawing a point of comparison when no comparison needs to be made in the first place. Elden Ring and Lies of P aren’t that similar to being with. If you’re trying to draw a comparison, why not at least compare it with some games that share more in common such as Bloodborne or Sekiro?

[@inspektahmcduck]

This is hilarious. "Elden Ring and Lies of P aren't that similar to being with. Why not at least compare it with some games that share more in common such as Bloodborne or Sekiro?" Well, if you actually watched the video then you'd know exactly why I'm comparing them. If you're going to be critical of someone then at the very least you should watch the video first so that you don't end up saying something totally irrelevant. Thanks for the comment regardless, and for bringing some traffic to my channel.

[@zaynthemane]

@@inspektahmcduck I genuinely don’t know what prompted such a hostile reply. As far as I can tell, I never said anything mean spirited in my original comment other than a critique of the title, which I think is fair game. It is true that I didn’t watch the full video. I called it quits after the first section about Dark Souls because, in my opinion, it felt like you were taking too long to get to your point. You’ve gotta understand you’re asking for a big commitment for someone to need to watch a 40-50 minute video essay in order to leave a comment. At no point did I badmouth you or your video. All I offered was my thoughts on the title and how I wasn’t a fan of it since it felt like engagement bait. And true enough, you got me to watch part of your video and leave a comment, so that‘s good for you lol. Sure, you can draw some comparison between Elden Ring and Lies of P. But Lies of P has much more Bloodborne and Sekiro in its DNA, hence why I don’t understand the point of comparing it to Elden Ring specifically. Maybe you dive into the details in your video, but these are my initial thoughts after reading the title and watching 10 minutes. To me, it feels like engagement bait rather than an honest essay.

[@inspektahmcduck]

@zaynthemane I wasn't trying to be hostile but your comment did irritate me because, as I said, it's irrelevant to the video. If you had just said "You're wrong" or "Nope, Elden Ring is a masterpiece" then I would have ignored you like I do everyone else who comments without watching. I understand that a 50-minute video essay is a big commitment, but you chose to click it and begin watching it, so I think it's enormously unfair of you to offer a negative opinion without giving me a fair chance to explain myself first (which I do, in the video). At the very least you could have said "I was bored after 10 minutes so I stopped watching" and I would have respected that opinion; that's usable feedback that I can take into consideration moving forward. Is the title clickbait? Absolutely. I'm trying to grow my channel and if I'd named the video "Lies of P is More Fun to Play Than Elden Ring" I doubt I'd have even half of the engagement as I do now. Sensationalism gets people in the door, and the content is what makes them stay (or leave). I'm sorry if the title makes the video come out as "engagement bait rather than an honest essay," but I put a lot of time, effort, and heart into this video and I feel that the runtime is warranted in order to make my point of view completely clear. I even say at the beginning, "In order to understand why I feel this way then we need some context first." The comparison isn't black and white; it's more complicated than that, and it takes time to explain. That's the nature of an essay in the first place. If you don't want to watch the entire thing then that's totally fine, but it's not fair to say that you don't understand the point of comparing Elden Ring to Lies of P if you're not even willing to watch the video that gives you the answer.

[@zaynthemane]

@@inspektahmcduck That’s fair enough. I’m sorry I came off as dismissive. I also understand that some sensationalism is necessary to grow your channel, even though I’m not a fan of it. If you do want some constructive feedback, I truly do think you could’ve shortened the section where you talked about Dark Souls 1 because imo you were taking a little too long to get to your main points. Sorry if I came off as dismissive or rude at any point and I wish you good luck on growing your channel in the future.

[@inspektahmcduck]

@zaynthemane And I'm sorry I came off as abrasive. For what it's worth, I was intentional with every point I made about Dark Souls because I refer back to all of them when I'm talking about both Elden Ring and Lies of P. To trim that section down would also mean needing to trim down my sections about those games as well, and I feel that it was all relevant and important to keep in. I get that a 50-minute video isn't for everyone, and I appreciate you at least giving it a shot.

[@caloobthenoob]

bro did not cook wdym elden ring is empty just don't be pressured to explore everything do it at ur own pace and listen to some music

[@lustrazor44]

Lies of P is good but it’s nowhere near Elden Ring.

[@scarredsoul1]

Yall just be saying anything

[@larrywoolfolk8224]

Me when I lie. I can say that ER is overhyped and have flaws but I'm not going to act like "Lies of P" is just Bloodborne for people who don't have a Sony console......except it's like much worse gameplay wise (if BB is roll and gun simulator than LoP is red parry simulator). I honestly think that Miyazaki has patents on certain mechanics because I noticed that none FS souls games can always get super close but can never quite replicate the core gameplay loop. This is why LoP is just BB but for Xbox and PC because out of all souls games, LoP actually got pretty close to mimicking BB.

[@Gaziboi]

It should be lies of p vs sakiro

[@dman1988]

Just passing by. And want to share my unpopular opinion. Elden Ring feels like fanmade soulslike while Lies of P feels like actual From Soft game. So yeah. Lies of P is better. Got platinum in both tho.

[@JameeloJameelo]

Lies of P is not even close to ER. But it’s a good game

[@mrgauth]

Tried P 4x and quit within 2 hours each time. Currently have 1750 hours in ER.

[@inspektahmcduck]

Whoa, that's crazy. How come you quit? What was it about it that didn't stick for you? I hate that feeling of trying to get into something new-that other people really enjoy-and not being able to.

[@YeOldeMachina]

People play these games for different reasons. Lies of P, is a great game no doubt, but the level design, exploration, itemization, and buildcraft left a lot to be desired for me... and those are the main reasons i play this genre.

[@inspektahmcduck]

Sounds like you are exactly the type of person I referred to a few times in the vid, where all of my complaints about Elden Ring are the same things that make you like it so much. I play these games for the same reasons you do, but I felt like Elden Ring just gave me too MUCH of it, is all. Thanks for commenting!

[@JasonLukeSmith]

Lies of P is a OK game it isn't as good as people say it is problem with it is that it's way damn linear and have absolutely zero exploration at all and also it way to short, Elden Ring on the other hand is absolutely masterpiece and it blows all other souls game out of the water by mile

[@inspektahmcduck]

You're right-but like I said in the video, the linearity and length of it is exactly why I enjoy playing it more than Elden Ring. In my opinion Lies of P is also a masterpiece. Based on the arguments you made, do you like Elden Ring better just because it's bigger and more open? Would you like Lies of P (or any of the other Souls games) just as much if it was an open world too?

[@JasonLukeSmith]

@inspektahmcduck It's true Elden Ring is my favourite because it's open world which means ton loads of exploration, as when it comes to games or souls in general I like getting lost and exploring with multiple paths and different directions to go to and it doesn't exactly need to be open world to achieve this as dark souls 1, 2 and 3 and bloodborne and sekiro even some that isn't from fromsoft like lords of the fallen, the surge 1 and 2, Nioh 1 and 2, Wo Long fallen dynasty achieve this without being open world but while I do like Lies of P it practically gives zero exploration whatsoever its way to linear than what souls game should be when comparing to all other souls games

[@inspektahmcduck]

Cool, that makes more sense and I appreciate you elaborating. I do agree that factually-speaking Lies of P is more linear than those games, but one point I made in the video is that the linearity is what I love about it. I don't always want to take the time to get lost exploring or taking different paths; sometimes I just want to relax and play a game without having to worry about that stuff. Still, we can agree to disagree and I appreciate you commenting!