Lies of P is NOT just a Souls Clone

[@sl1ppey]

Correction I wanna make as pointed out by @KiyoshiKenji881 5:06 I show an example of was I thought was a stunlock->death combo, but you can actually roll out of that if you mash dodge. Rolling out from prone is something that I don't think should be locked behind an upgrade, but I just wanted to correct something they rightly corrected me on.

[@saraisnthere]

It’s feels unfair that players might go through this game without hearing ‘Feel’

[@sl1ppey]

RIGHT??

[@reanamet1901]

I actually missed Feel on my first playthrough, but honestly, I like Divine Service better.

[@trblemayker5157]

Its another copy paste soulslike

[@slckb0y65]

@@trblemayker5157 you mean another game you haven't been able to finish the second level boss ?? cause this game can stand right next to Sekiro, Blood Borne and Dark Souls 3, and it's only the studo first attempt. you can choose to skip it, and pass on what is imho one of the best GOTY contender, or give it a chance and realise that in a flood of shitty soul like, this one actually kick all kind of asses.

[@The_FastTurtle_]

hes stuck on Fuoco for sure@@slckb0y65

[@sl1ppey]

Oh, I didn’t put this in the video because low hanging fruit but P-Organ? Really?

[@hypermoth]

I never understood the argument of "This game is just like [insert game], why would I play it if I've already played [insert game]?" Because nobody would be saying that if this game had the Fromsoft logo attached to it. It's just another quality game in the same genre. It doesn't have to do anything groundbreaking or genre-defying to deserve attention; it just as to do what it sets out to do well, and Lies of P definitely seems to succeed in that regard. I'm glad you gave it a shot, and that you came to appreciate the less-obvious design choices that distinguish it from Fromsoft's games. A lot of genres and subgenres need games like Lies of P to help players realize the world of great games that exist beyond their beloved big-name IPs.

[@sl1ppey]

Incredibly well-said, and was basically the whole process my brain went through. This game definitely changed my mind on the genre as a whole.

[@Azure_Iolite]

100% agree! I've been saying this for awhile now, soulsborne is one my favorite genres and people don't give these games enough credit and treat them unfairly, like of course these games don't feel or play the same way as Dark Souls, because they're not Dark Souls, they're their own thing Like you can't just play a bunch of Street Fighter, then hop onto Mortal Kombat and expect to be just as good at that game, just because 2 games are in the same genre doesn't mean they have to play or feel exactly the same way, all games, regardless of genre, all require you to take your time to learn them individually and understand their own unique mechanics instead of treating them all as universally the same And the real irony is, where many people say most soulsborne games are bad because they don't feel like Dark Souls, people were saying Lies of P feels exactly like Dark Souls, and thus is nothing more than a simple clone or knockoff and a bad game, like the hypocrisy is unreal and shows signs of major gatekeeping by people who think FromSoft are the only ones capable of making these kinds of games

[@toadknight7298]

I also never understood this either. Why play Ak-Xolotl and Voidigo? Just play Isaac again or Nuclear Throne again

[@RedCrusader-ph2vk]

I read the title as "Life of Pi" and was confused as to why Dark Souls was being compared to a movie about a guy lost at sea with a tiger on a small boat.

[@sl1ppey]

“Life of Pi is the ‘Dark Souls’ of movies” - IGN

[@jordanprice7853]

So it’s not 3.14159265etc?

[@muhhjordy2504]

Lies of P is my GOTY

[@sl1ppey]

If BG3 didn't exist it'd be mine too honestly

[@someBSchannel]

wow Liza P seems pretty cool 😎 Loved the editing of this one. Very thankful you finally got to pet the cat!

[@TheMilitiaGamer]

One of my editing clients had been binging this game and absolutely loves it. I think it's the nuances he enjoys in the combat I'd say but overall, great analysis as always

[@sl1ppey]

Thanks gamer!

[@MrSaviorHD]

I love the “souls” style of games and Lies of P does everything necessary to make itself stand out amongst the fodder of other attempts in this dense genre. Great simple review dude.

[@Ih8theleft-q8x]

how, its literally everything from all From games put into one game, built around someone elses story. I beat it, so I saw the entire game. Its nothing new.

[@Azure_Iolite]

I feel like soulsborne as a genre is very under appreciated, one of the biggest complaints I see is how none of these games feel or play like Dark Souls or Bloodborne, which I think is an extremely dumb argument Does Metroid feel the same as Castlevannia? Does Street Fighter play exactly like Mortal Kombat? Does DOOM and Call of Duty play identically? Of course not, just because 2 games are part of the same genre doesn't mean they have to be exactly alike, other soulsborne games don't feel like Dark Souls because they're not Dark Souls, they're their own thing, and thus need to be viewed as such Demons Souls'/Dark Souls may have created this style of game, but that doesn't mean they're the only way this style can be done, at this point there are so many great games with this formula, yet all go for their own unique thing with unique gameplay mechanics, combat styles, stories and settings, and feel to them, my personal favorites outside of FromSoft being Code Vein and Thymesia, Nioh is really fun too minus its annoying looter based mechanics, all of these games warrant being classified as their own genre at this point, and I say the term "souls-like" should be dropped in favor of "soulsborne" instead because the name "souls-like" still makes these games sound like clones of each other when they really aren't Soulsborne is one of my all time favorite genres of games, and I really wish people gave the non-FromSoft games more of a fair chance, because there are truly some great games here and people are missing out

[@sl1ppey]

Damn I might have to start consulting you for scripts this is a good ass comment

[@Azure_Iolite]

@@sl1ppey Oh wow, thanks! Honestly I am working on becoming a professional writer, so maybe I should try helping people write scripts for videos and stuff like that, could actually help me improve and learn a lot

[@thatonegamer_4168]

You are such an underrated channel! Wish you have more subscribers

[@sl1ppey]

Thanks dude!

[@andrewg9107]

Lies of P is such a great game and is actually my pick for GotY to be honest, although Baldurs Gate 3 and Tears of the Kingdom are up there as well. It's such a unique take on a beloved folklore tale and it hits every note on the Souls-like scale. Cheers!

[@hagen1261]

I just finished all your recent videos they're great!

[@sl1ppey]

I say this a lot, but I always appreciate comments like this. Thank you.

[@hyperdiamondgaming7040]

I tried lies of P but couldn't even get past the first unique enemy, it's good to know that I need to unlearn the souls combat. Your video was great!

[@sl1ppey]

To be fair that first elite they put you against in the tutorial is legitimately tough and I still can't defend against him effectively lol. And thank you!

[@lightofthecolossus]

If you still have trouble with the first miniboss I reconmend using your legion arm. It can beat the enemy without you having to need your weapon at all.

[@mickeycee8559]

There are some great souls likes tho. Nioh games are fantastic and absolutely their own thing. I really enjoyed Thymesia as well. But lies of P is on another level. It is a fantastic brilliant game

[@vincenthychow1119]

I don't care. This is my GOTY. So long have I not been so indulged in a game. Every day, I even need to talk myself out of playing this game. It has its flaws, of course, just like any other games. But it is incredible. Story, atmosphere, game play, everything is simply top-notch. A word to OP btw, if you have not played Nioh (1 and 2), you should definitely give them a try. They could be regarded as souls like. But Nioh series and Souls series have much more difference than similarities.

[@reanamet1901]

Good, fair review. Also, the exact flaming caveman stick also happened to be one of my mainstays on my first playthrough.

[@sl1ppey]

Fast attack speed, decent reach, good DPS, easy-to-hit charged R2 what's not to love? Also, thanks!

[@XDefinitive]

Your video was great!

[@Burr_]

I've never really played many souls games minus Elden Ring, but Lies of P is somethnig that looks very good for a game not by FromSoftware. I also hear a lot of people say Lies of P is a lot easier compared to an average souls game. But, regardless, great video! Made me want to try it more

[@sl1ppey]

I’d honestly say it’s harder in some respects because it feels like a game made for people experienced with these types of games. That being said, they did just release a patch to make the game easier, so it’s more accessible now than it was at launch.

[@Azure_Iolite]

Honestly, I say Lies of P is the hardest soulsborne game not by FromSoft, I'd even say it's on par with Sekiro, which most people will say is the most difficult modern game by FromSoft

[@kami3449]

Its definitely one of the harder ones 100%

[@Eo-ms3kw]

I'd say it's the hardest game I've played tbh (meaning harder than any Fromsoft game)

[@cerulean5032]

Only gotten to the eight area myself, but so far there's only really been one difficult boss. The rest where either managable or just straight up cheesable with range or throwing items.

[@randompandemonium4823]

Dear si1ppey Bad option, fack you -random

[@sl1ppey]

u rite

[@chaozgaming8565]

When I think about it, I don't think there's anything wrong with mimicking the "Dark Souls" style of gameplay, since that gameplay in itself is engaging and fun to play already. Souls-likes can kinda just end up being "More Dark souls", and Dark souls is fun. Though I can also understand the burnout. There's a lot of games that try to be "souls-likes" without realizing what made those games fun to begin with. You can have the mechanics, but if you don't do anything with those, you end up with a hollow experience. To be honest, Lords of the Fallen is a good example of "I wanna be a souls-like" but only putting in base mechanics and nothing else, giving you a clunky and un-fun experience. A fun Souls-Like is more than it's base mechanics, just like Pinocchio was more than the parts he was made of.

[@sl1ppey]

That last line was smooth. Very good. And what you’ve described is exactly how I felt at first, when the reality is that things become much more nuanced when you play the games for yourself.

[@legacy0162]

Thank you Hideyourtacos Miyazaki

[@bartomiejpopielarz8283]

Out of the SoulsLikes you presented I think that Nioh/Nioh 2 is worth trying for its RPG-esque spin on the loot and breath/stance/combo mechanics. I don't remember if the other ones introduce anything too special, but they are definitely solid games. If you already did play a few hours and it didn't click, then it might just not be your cup of tea.

[@talkingcowthatwasthereallalong]

I won't be playing Lies of P, I personally get more enjoyment out of a second hand experience in these cases, so thank you for your perspective. (Also I'll snag the OST and add it to the Infinty Playlist TM) Soulslike games aren't for me, I'm more of a roguelike guy. In soulslikes, the game breaks you until you learn how to play, then you beat it, roguelikes can break you just the same, but at some point after beating them... you get to break them back.

[@sl1ppey]

The OST is so goddamn good. I feel what you mean about roguelikes, especially when you get a god run and get to stomp on all of the bosses that previously gave you trouble. Also I read the last sentence as "break the bat" and was wondering how Bane was related to all of this.

[@noahmcalister]

I too am typically not a fan of imitation type games, bc as you said, they're usually just not as good as [insert thing]. But I've been hearing about this Pinocchio game for a while, and this is honestly the first video I've seen about it, and I'm sold (because of the cat, tho)

[@sl1ppey]

It's extremely good. It's on Game Pass too if you don't want to shell out 60-70 bucks

[@wafflezcol868]

4:35 Ugh! GruG pOkE MoNsTer WiTH hoT StIck, GUH Bro got me rolling on the floor, good shit

[@lokmister]

I will say this till the day I die Perfect Guard > Souls games Parry Having to study an animation to calculate the perfect time to parry SUCKED (for me) but the perfect guard being an instant animation with the trade off being it just took stamina instead of creating an opportunity for attack was worth it. Also this game just has such a charm to it that I love.

[@sl1ppey]

Perfect guard really does have a nice feel to it when you get it down. It feels really earned when you block a string of attacks flawlessly.

[@lokmister]

@@sl1ppey Until you get an enemy like the pitchfork puppets that do insane damage with a single run and the perfect guard protects you from only one hit and you lose a big chunk of health still. It’s really great feeling when you perfect guard the bosses though. Very “you thought, bish.”

[@sl1ppey]

@lokmister Silver spear knights in DS1, the big stick swamp boys in DS3, and so on. Seems like every enemy that primarily stabs is always a pain to deal with in these games 😵

[@cerulean5032]

@@lokmister You can actually perfect guard every hit from those types of enemies and attacks, you just have to figure out the rate at which you gotta mash the perfect guard button, which admittedly isn't very intuitive, but it is very much possible.

[@TheMimReaper]

Soulslike are often very similar. For me it's often just a dlc to an unrelated game where some things are turned on their head. Btw the audio quality felt on peak with this one. 🦾keep it up

[@sl1ppey]

Appreciate that dude

[@crowcoregames1785]

man love watching your videos, i dont know how to explain but like you could make a essay on fricking paint and i would watch it lols

[@sl1ppey]

Wow, thanks man!

[@crowcoregames1785]

no worries i love the calm and layed back energy you got@@sl1ppey

[@valerius9751]

Lies of P is such a gem of a game, I can't believe I put off playing it for so long. Also, Nioh & Nioh 2 are great games that I highly recommend trying out. They have some rather frustrating mechanics if you play with a dark souls mindset, but when you adjust your playstyle the games are a ton of fun

[@sl1ppey]

Been meaning to play them. I might skip to Nioh 2 since I've seen people mention it has a lot of QoL features over the first game. My backlog is so freaking mountainous at this point...

[@ixzine9383]

I'm so glad it's good, especially given Bloodborne has NOT been announced for PC as of 01 October 2023.

[@sl1ppey]

The biggest gaming crime of the 21st century tbh

[@dechlanstopher1255]

I FEEL GOOD, DONT YOOOOOOOU

[@sl1ppey]

chills every time

[@jaydenyamada2916]

It makes me sad that because of my disability (visual impairment) soulslikes without good accessibility features (which is basically all of them) are unplayable for me. And I tried, I put 30 hours into elden ring and I just can't read things fast enough.

[@sl1ppey]

I'm 100% a proponent of games being more accessible via standard options like difficulty settings or more advanced accessibility features. I'm sorry your impairment is keeping you from enjoying the games you love. Hopefully the industry starts to prioritize accessibility more thanks to devs like Naughty Dog putting lots of effort into it in their games.

[@dannyton8478]

Aint even gonna lie but Lies Of P is the best Soulslike i've ever played

[@elsoul7204]

If you like Lies of P because it is different from Souls (which it is true), i advise you play Nioh. It is the only game that transcends the formula (especially the second). Although level design, npc and music wont make your springs react the same, but the combat is fantastic. The Surge was disappointing, at best. And i have yet to play Thymesia, but Lords of the Fallen is coming...

[@sl1ppey]

I’m very curious about LotF given how bad the original game was lol. I think I’m going to give at least Nioh 2 a swing at some point for sure.

[@Amaek]

Love the video bro. One advice stop using the cartoony avatar that pops out once in a while. Put your face out or simply don’t. But avatar ? Haha sorry for being negative in fact I like your take and I’m subscribing right now.

[@TheOrangeMan13]

shit made me wanna play lies of p

[@roycecarter4663]

This game isn’t getting anywhere near the love it deserves it’s up there with elden ring as one of the best souls games and I wish it was even getting half the attention that elden ring got

[@sl1ppey]

My theory is that I wasn’t alone in my mindset of “oh it’s just a souls clone” before I played it, so not as many people gave it a chance.

[@KiyoshiKenji881]

you can dodge out of the red down smash from the fire shovel guy a lot of ppl are bitching about not being able to roll out of stuns and the show clips of this enemy.just makes it feel like ur venting frustration without any research behind it

[@sl1ppey]

Two things: 1.) The game presents fury attacks as something that *cannot* be dodged in the tutorial (even though they can a lot of the time) so naturally many players, including me, are going to try to deflect it instead of dodging because the game told us it's something you can't do. It's contradictory and could be explained better. 2.) It still doesn't feel good to be stunlocked to death in any game. I can't think of another scenario in the entire game where getting hit once at near-full health, even from a fury attack, translates to you dying unless you're surrounded by enemies (in which case the player would probably deserve to die by that point). I'm sorry you took my criticism of the game that way, but I also don't see what 'research' would suit you other than the fact that the game presents information to the player that is literally half-untrue. It's still a great game and I love it, but I'd be doing it a disservice by overlooking its flaws.

[@KiyoshiKenji881]

@sl1ppey Red attacks cannot be dodged(unless u have the boss item) .And to the second one yeah I agree that it doesn't feel good.that Is why I am saying that once you have been hit by the downward shovel attack by the guy and you are on the ground you can dodge before getting hit by the next attack without any p-organ upgrades.and like you mentioned urself this death combo thing isn't really a problem in the rest of the game(not counting new game+).which is the reason why I pointed out that this example is invalid since it isn't true.

[@KiyoshiKenji881]

@@sl1ppey you'd also be doing a disservice to the game by stating false facts.i am not saying this is a prefect game or whatever I think run backs are shit for example.but what I am saying is that I have heard the exact same criticism from other guys as well and it is a bit annoying to hear that when it isn't even a problem

[@sl1ppey]

@@KiyoshiKenji881 Ah, I've tried mashing dodge out of that hit before and it didn't let me get out of it without the P upgrade. From seeing other clips from people it looks like it's possible, but didn't seem to work for me from the times I tried mashing out. In any case, I still think being able to roll out from prone is something that shouldn't be locked behind an upgrade, but I'm sorry for getting that specific example wrong.

[@KiyoshiKenji881]

@@sl1ppey yeah sure that's fair I really didn't mind. went without the upgrade until the saint statue but I can see how it is annoying if you are used to it.great vid otherwise btw

[@pachi9065]

yeah you can tell its not a soul's like it's a fucking seccharo like, I would like some expiration with my boss fight, all this back to back to back to back boss fights, with three rooms of expiration in between, and a small looping side path.

[@allandm]

Really like this game but I wish enemies attack patterns weren't so incredibly awkward, if you know what i mean aha

[@sl1ppey]

We thought the delayed attacks in Elden ring were bad, this definitely takes it to a new level with some of the enemies lol

[@allandm]

@@sl1ppey so true. In lies of P it is so weird, they hold their arm up for quite a bit and then it comes crashing down on you at LIGHTSPEED, it borderline breaks physics aha in Elden ring some moves are like this too, but I think we still had a chance to react if we really waited and paid attention. In Lies of P it feels almost unreactable, u can only memorize the timing

[@Keyborder1234]

so its a P....oh dont mind me thinking those were roman numerals :)

[@sl1ppey]

P organ uwu

[@cerulean5032]

"In bloodborne your all of your defensive strategies are centered around i-framing through attacks". Proceeds to show gameplay of the most parryable boss in the game, whilst not parrying it.

[@garysmithburg7358]

Thymesia was fun

[@slckb0y65]

for having finished it today, i have to say it goes right next to Dark Soul 3, Blood Borne and Sekiro in my book. i've been disapointed with EVERY soul-like that wasn't from From Software itself, i was genuinely expecting the game to fall appart at some point, it never did, not once. and don't get fooled by the look of the main character or the fact it's based around pinochio, the story of this game is nightmare fuel, if it's a fairy tale, it's being told by H.P. Lovecraft. do yourself a favor, PLAY IT.

[@sl1ppey]

Very well said. I’m really looking forward to what this studio does next, especially given the “teaser” at the end.

[@curiousardor]

Nioh 2 is the best non-Fromsoft Soulslike and it isn't especially close (including Lies of P, which is aggressively fine).

[@sl1ppey]

Yeah, I think that’s the first one I’m going to try after this for sure.

[@mattprosser5562]

Cat.

[@itachi_1724]

This game is very easy The only bosses I found difficult are flame king Walker of illusions Brotherhood pt 2 That's it Everything else was done in 1 or 2 tries

[@nerozos5106]

Its an interesting point to make while showing nioh as a generic soulsclone when its certainly a game that wants you to block certain attacks and dodge others

[@sl1ppey]

The point I was making was that I used to think all “soulslikes” were not worth playing because I didn’t think they could be different enough to warrant playing. At the end of the video I mention how I plan to eventually try games like Nioh out due to realizing how short-sighted it was for me to look at the genre in that way.

[@FakeFlameSprite]

if you do go back to try the nioh games, nioh 2 is a major upgrade on the original

[@sl1ppey]

I've heard Nioh 2 is super slept on so that might be the first one I try.

[@toad786]

cool

[@GreaserMan]

I hate all Souls/Soulslike games, other than ones that do something slightly different liiiiiike Remnant 1/2 or Going Under. I've played a few, never been able to or wanted to finish them. I played the demo of Lies of P, pre-ordered the game and completed it. Lies of P is incredible. Perfect? No. Better than any Souls game I've ever played? Definitely.

[@trblemayker5157]

It is a souls clone.

[@sl1ppey]

u rite

[@ferretappreciator]

And ur a soul-LESS clone 😎

[@MeiSapphire1]

i feel bad to whose play lies of P as the first soulslike and consider from software cringe games because tank controls and graphics. some casual players have bad taste

[@secularspectator]

It's 100% a souls clone...its great but the P worship is getting a bit much. Not sure there is space for another hot take video

[@sl1ppey]

Fair enough

[@thesorrow7499]

Miyazaki would rage quit halfway through the game. This game is unnecessarily hard, and looking at the Xbox Achievements percentage, barely anyone reached mid-game bosses, let alone beat the true final boss solo. I had to grind for 5 hours straight just to play with comfort and confidence. This game created a niche within a niche. 😅

[@sl1ppey]

I think part of that low completion amount is the number of people who try it on Gamepass then put it down (or just download it then never open it). I’ve noticed a lot of games, even mainstays like MCC, have oddly low achievement unlock %’s and I think it just has to do with gamepass inflating the number of people who’ve “played” the game.

[@Omega77232]

This game is just really good at copying the genre dont glorify this too much

[@hivemind514]

i don't know what are you on, but calling Lies of P "not a souls-like" is really weird, have you actually played nioh or surge? those game did 100x more unique stuff than Lies of P. It's uncanny how much neowiz just copied out of from titles.

[@sl1ppey]

So, at the end of the video I point out this game changed my mind on the genre, and that I plan on going back to give those other games I mentioned a try. I used to be a stickler thinking "why would I play them, they're just copies," but now have realized that that's a terribly narrow-minded way of thinking. Also I never claimed Lies of P is not a soulslike, I just argue that it's not the blatant clone that I thought it was on first glance.