Lies of P vs Lords of the Fallen - Comparing 2 Soulslikes

In this video, Soul compares Lords of the Fallen, a new Soulslike developed by Hexworks, with Lies of P, a soulslike developed by Neowiz. Should you play them? Which one is better? And how did they both approach a similar concept in very different ways.

[@Ti_Fire]

Fact: Anyone who says LoP is "babies first souls-like" 100% played the bosses with the Specter and throwables lmao.

[@looots1320]

pretty sure more souls vets say that its a harder souls

[@Hoonter101]

LOP is souls for casuals all the difficulty is in the boss design which can be overcome easily

[@karayi7239]

aren't those intended tools to be used? what's your point here exactly?

[@teapouter6109]

@@Hoonter101 What a clown take. I honestly have no idea where this sentiment is coming from. Dark Souls 1 bosses are easy. Dark Souls 2 bosses are even easier. Elden Ring's difficulty all comes from its bosses. What are you on about? And what do you mean by "overcome"? Do you mean cheese? If you cheesed Lies of P, then you have ground upon which to speak. I already know how you played Elden Ring. With mimic tear and a filthy bleed build. The only casual here is you. If you used cheese, you're the biggest and filthiest casual of all.

[@ClarenceDass]

Lies of P is my favorite game this year and the best thing I've played in ages. The world, the combat and the story telling is amazing. For Lords of the Fallen, I played for an hour before my game crashed and I have not been able to get it run since. Even after the patches. My pc meets the minimum requirements, so maybe I'll try thr game again after a few patches or when I upgrade my pc. Lies of P ran beautifully though and when I couldn't play Lords of the Fallen, I started my 4th run in Lies of P instead.

[@porterwillis7914]

update your graphics driver

[@ClarenceDass]

@@porterwillis7914 I did friend.

[@square-shapedappletrees1413]

Pinocchio Souls all the way

[@glebkozlov8305]

Thank you for saying this

[@_bhuc3802]

Yup ! Exactly

[@Hoonter101]

Real boys play LoP while real men play LoTF

[@Young_Ruckus]

​@@Hoonter101Real men don't dickride. Lop>lotf

[@vinayhinduja766]

@@Hoonter101lop harder tho fr so like in terms of men and challenges lop takin it😭

[@csabawars]

For me lies of p is a superior soulslike game compare to LOTF. I only like in Lotf how you have soul reaver plane shifting. I dare to say Lies have even more variety on weapons too! In Lotf you get a bunch of skins with the same moveset. I realy missed the fromsoft touch where they add at least 1 extra move to every single weapon.

[@DigitalHaze65536]

I hope From gives us at least one of the movesets from DS3 on the Ultra/colossal Greatswords. I hate having to crouch to poke....or settle for 2 "lightweight" ultras to get that. Something like a Lothric Knight Ultra or Cathedral Knight Ultra would be cool for the ER DLC.

[@LuckyRaphi]

I like both games but they are at different ends of the souls genre and difficult to compare. LoP is polished in every aspect which probably makes it the better game. But LotF is better at creating a souls like experience and if they make multiplayer work it will be a huge plus.

[@paxpw4017]

Except bosses but yeah

[@OMGitsZenius]

I'mma be completely honest here, at fiest I thought lords of the fallen was amazing and lies of P looked clunky , then I played Lords for about 1 hour and refunded, bought lies of P just to try and loved it, been playing it non stop 😅 fantastic game, definitely more linear than Elden Ring but i feels AMAZING

[@babagaming7867]

Lies of P gameplay as you said, is amazing. It's one of the first games I've played where I beat it and immediately started a new game again and again.

[@dannyton8478]

true that , im on NG+4 now, can't stop playing Lies Of P

[@Mr_Nobody913]

Don’t even compare them. I haven’t even played Lies of P and I can tell you it’s better than Lords of the Trash Goblin.

[@Hoonter101]

Stop getting your ideas from internet reviewers

[@Mr_Nobody913]

@@Hoonter101 What ideas guy? Enlighten me oh wise one on what the fuck ideas I’m getting. Cause I didn’t get anything from watching this review dipshit. Maybe shut your stupid mouth before opening it eh? Also, Lords of the Fallen is garbage and if you think it’s good you have the IQ of a potato.

[@ChaosSoulYT]

It definitely is

[@Mr_Nobody913]

@@ChaosSoulYT I might just have to get Lies of P cause Lords of the Fallen fell short majorly

[@ChaosSoulYT]

Lies of P in my opinion is better then Dark Souls 2 at least, if not between then Dark Souls 3 for me personally too

[@cornthdl]

Lies of P soooo good! I’ve seen nothing from LotF to even temp to to think about playing it.

[@thrashhhhh]

Don’t. It’s unplayable. Lies of P exceeded all expectations; LOTF is the biggest gaming disappointment of the year.

[@HunterTC5]

@@thrashhhhh what do you mean by unplayable? The first day it was rough for me, I worked on some schoolwork and waited a couple of days and then turned down my settings a bit and have had no problem with performance. Gameplay is also good and ive been enjoying the game a lot. Just wondering your thoughts because I cant see it being "unplayable"

[@jacksonjason776]

Lotr2 difficulty is the wonky combat paired with tons of ranged enemies with 2 or 3 elite enemies. Bosses were a joke. All of them are pm gimmick bosses except the first one. Great graphics/shit game play.

[@joshv7663]

​@@jacksonjason776did we play the same game? Cuz none of that is true

[@acem9947]

@@HunterTC5 on console it's still unplayable especialy on xbox series

[@y-wing7654]

LOTF will be forgotten soon. Lies of P wont. Tadah!

[@Hoonter101]

Both will be forgotten lol they are both clones but at least LoTF has some uniqueness while LoP is literally plagiarism.

[@ChaosSoulYT]

@Wilhelm4131 Have you played both? Lies of P has a unique combat system, unique upgrade systems, it does loads of unique things. I'd say Lords and Lies both copy as much and have as many different mechanics to make themselves stand out

[@Hoonter101]

I beat LoP, the only thing it did different was the swapping of the handles which I never needed to use or found a good use for. The weapon system is just bloodborne with a dash of Sekiro parry. To be fair LoTF isn't much better. Both games do nothing original or unique nor do they really have to. At the end of the day it comes down to preference. I prefer LoTF over LoP. Mostly because of the setting and atmosphere. And its great to see Western devs make a souls like game. Yet both will be forgotten in a couple years. FS is the champion at the end of the day. @@ChaosSoulYT

[@Hoonter101]

Also, LoTF at least has the dual world mechanic which I was skeptical at first but really enjoy it. @@ChaosSoulYT

[@boredom77730]

​​@@Hoonter101You don't understand how games work if you think this is plagiarism. Don't let bias get into criticisms, just like how fromsoft was inspired by legend of zelda for its combat, lop was inspired by the souls series for the combat. We wouldn't have evolved games without building upon the foundations and improving said foundation. Inspirations also breathe new life to new games and keep the competition for the industry alive. Please don't be disrespectful by outright calling LoP plagiarism as it is just objectively false. By your logic games like hollow knight copied metroid and castlevania in many of its ideas and concepts.

[@drizztsensei]

Lies of P stands head and shoulders above any other Soulslike and it's nearly as good as a From Soulsborne. It's not even close

[@synysterdawn8913]

Linearity isn't a negative. Lies of P having a linear structure is breath of fresh air that allows it certain gameplay and narrative liberties that are either impossible or exceedingly difficult to achieve in other Souls games. It also makes the game a bit more digestible, which helps alleviate the sting of its difficulty. In my experience, I have trouble returning to Elden Ring because it's just too big: there's too much to do, too much to find, too much to keep track of to make sure I don't miss certain things. It's size and scale is amazing, but can also be off-putting because anytime I play the game I feel like I'm not getting much of anything done. Lies of P is so much more scaled back and focused in its design by comparison that it never feels daunting to play.

[@KEVBOYMUSIC]

Agreed, I personally never got why non-linearity is positive and linearity is negative. I think they're both neutral. They can both be done very well, and very poorly. Seems like souls games can accommodate either.

[@shootoman]

Personally I don´t find linearity a problem either, but I also love the adventure in unknown lands and finding all kind of stuff, the interconnected world. Those are some of the parts that make the original Dark Souls so great. LotF does a good job with it too. In Lies of P it didn´t matter at all in my first playthrough. On second run, it was kinda ok I guess, but I would´ve appreciated if there would´ve been something new to find. After my third run I don´t really see anything to do in the game anymore. Nothing in the world to explore and no more interesting character build to try. It´s really good game especially for first 1-2 runs, but it lacks the replay value that the best soulslikes have with plethora of different builds to try and things to find that you have missed even if you have completed the game several times. Also in NG+ (and I can imagine much more in NG++ and so fort) it starts to get a bit tedious as enemy hp gets big increase, but because of relatively early caps in players dmg attributes, it starts to take pretty damn long to kill everything. Great game nonetheless, but I wanted to point out couple of things that I feel drags it down a bit.

[@ChaosSoulYT]

I agree that the linearity can be a strength, however a couple of optional side paths wouldn't have been a bad thing to throw in. Dark Souls 3 is very linear but it has side paths that make it not feel AS much like walking down a straight line

[@matsie3134]

I honestly don't mind walking in a straitgh line and facing the right challenges at the right moment. But I also don't mind Elden Ring's open world, it's just a different beast. I love both cats and dogs is what I'm trying to say.

[@boredom77730]

It's true. Elden ring is great for one playthrough and then it gets stale. That's why I rushed the plat. As a consequence of open world elden ring loot are mostly useless like the goddamn leaves, and most dungeons get repetitive and are very shallow (refer to zerolenny's review of every dungeon, only a few are interesting). Elden ring fell short for me in the end, and I suppose I was also bored of the formula by then, but LoP has lit my fire again and I plat that also. In my opinion LoP also has more replayability than ER, and I also couldn't help but feel ER was just ds3 with an open world. Despite the linearity which was never a problem, the loot in LoP scattered through every area are well thought out and actually worth your time.

[@Eauxz]

LOTF difficulty is in being overwhelmed by enemies and punishes you for parrying which is mind boggling.

[@ballislife296]

Ah yes, 10 long distance enemies, two mob bosses, 5 more fodder enemies all in one area. It’s quite delightful 🫠

[@MaidenlessScrub]

@@ballislife296 more like 2 ranged enemies, 10 small fodders, and an elite mob. But that's either because you stay for too long in umbral or run pass everything so they now chase your ass down like a bunch of wasps. It's not even that bad given how fast your character is both in terms of movement speed and attack speed. Not to mention all classes have access to decent or strong ranged options.

[@acem9947]

one run like shit and the other didn't have any performance issue

[@kimbercustompro1911]

On console at least, LOTF runs and looks better than Lies. Lies suffers from lighting issues that plaque nearly every area of the game

[@acem9947]

@@kimbercustompro1911 5 month ago LOTF ran like shit on console, maybe it's better nowaday idk i don't care anymore about this mid ass game tbh

[@davismorgan99]

People can have their opinions but anyone who things that lords of the fallen is a better functioning game at its core level is willfully ignorant. Lies of P is smaller and more linear but perfectly tuned and feels great to play. There’s a lot more to do in lords of the fallen, but the game just feels rushed and janky

[@Kiiaro3D]

So let me get this straight, you acknowledge people can have different opinions and then immediately call those that disagree with you as "ignorant"? People are allowed to have their opinions, not sure why that angers you so much. Lords of the Fallen has a much better level design, monster and boss design, story, game combat, and lore in my view. I've played both and even though I enjoy Lies of P, I just enjoy Lords of the Fallen more. Lies of P combat mechanics just arent as fast paced as Lords of the Fallen in my opinion - it rewards defense and patience too much for my liking. And not to mentioned how obviously inspired by Bloodborne it is - just a bit too much. I wish they picked a new unused setting. Both great games, I just enjoy one way more...

[@obsidianreaper9507]

@@Kiiaro3DI have not played Lords of the Fallen yet, but I love Lies of P, the boss designs were unique and it had a moderate level of difficulty. I enjoyed the game almost as much I enjoyed Bloodborne

[@leeli4692]

Lies of P is gay.

[@issaknifeprty]

⁠@@Kiiaro3Dyeah just someone has an opinion doesn’t mean it’s a good one lol.

[@o4oreo11]

@@leeli4692lies of gay

[@sikevillain]

Thanks for this discussion. I think both games are awesome in there own ways flaws & all.. i do like the fact that some soulslike players prefer one over the other but can acknowledge both games are still great. Lies Of P felt like a fantastic linear experience with satisfying combat, areas & bosses ala wrapped in a bloodborne aesthetic I really enjoyed.. LOTF has amazing world design with enough interconnectivity that really gave me DS1-DS3 vibes. I really like the combat, weapon & armor sets, exploration especially with the lamp, bosses & lore. It feels good to play & fun enough to get hooked imo.

[@evilwolfgang]

Lies of P better

[@FatherGas762]

Lies of P is better in basically every way. Like sunburned albino said if you can't see this FACT nobody should take your thoughts about games seriously.

[@Hoonter101]

Lies of P to me was too polished and inoffensive. The combat was alright but i still never liked using the parry. As for LOTF i love the gritty oppressive atmosphere. Yes, the combat isnt perfect but the rest of its features make up for it.

[@acem9947]

and lies of p released in a playable state while LOTF still run like shit on ps5

[@ChaosSoulYT]

I completely agree, I'm just trying to not talk badly about the game too much because I genuinely think the more players in the soulslike field the better

[@FatherGas762]

​@@ChaosSoulYT Yeah I agree, I appreciate your balanced approach

[@kiekiek]

It is the absolute litmus test for one's understanding of gamedesign. Anyone who truly thinks LotF is better than LoP just lack insight in what makes a good videogame, probably lacking some gaming skills as well. Im know this won't be a popular statement for everyone , so be it. Be aware, I do not mean that someone can enjoy LotF more, due to aesthetics, world design, atmosphere, I can understand, however difficult it is for me, that one prefers LotF, but as pure objective quality goes, LoP is much, much better,

[@ELDENLORD89]

There’s 2 things I think LoTF does well when it comes to the iterative process of the Souls genre. How magic use works and parrying works. That being said LoP’s foundation is extremely strong. Weapons system, Legion Arms, Skill Tree, Pulse Cells replenishing, Stagger system, enemies de-aggroing the moment you get to a boss door and your souls being in front of the boss door on death are so good if Fromsoft doesn’t implement at least 2 of these they’re buggin lol

[@irmaoburro1]

parrying ? can u elaborate on why do u think parry is a well mechanic on LotF ? bacause in my opinion is one of the worst iterations of this system ever, imagine rewarding the player that did a parry with health lost, "oh but u dont lose your health u can rally that white portion back", yeah, parry 3 attack in a row, miss the 4th one and get fucked.

[@QuitRage]

parryng in LotF is not strong but you also dont get punished as hard for failing it like in other souls games. Kick is the way to go. =D @@irmaoburro1

[@Mr_Nobody913]

Magic is garbage in LotF 😂 and the parry/block system is a joke

[@thelifeofpewpew2590]

I would dare to say that Lies of P is more like bloodborn while the other is more like darksoul but darker

[@dxcSOUL]

I don't get that at all. How is LoP anything like Bloodborne besides the setting? The combat is 100x slower because literally every enemy has a delayed attack. The enemies aren't designed to be reactable either. You're supposed to memorize the moveset. The combat in Bloodborne is far more fast, flowing, and smooth. It actually encourages aggressiveness. Also, Lies of P is basically the opposite of, "Hesitation is Defeat." If you don't hesitate in LoP, you die.

[@matsie3134]

​@@dxcSOULCouldn't agree more, it has very different play style. Having that said, it's really good imo, but Bloodborne is the goat.

[@thenomad8732]

No similarity outside the visual stile, LoP is more like a slow Sekiro

[@teapouter6109]

@@dxcSOUL The way you treat the rally mechanic is the same, but aside from that the game plays like a Sekiro Dark Souls hybrid.

[@joseeliasgomezrosario810]

Lies of P, game of the year for me

[@TJones4L]

Lies of P made me want to start a new game immediately just to experience the final boss fight again. LotF had me ready to shut the game off and never turn it on again by the second zone. I’m still making my way through LotF but as someone who prioritizes gameplay over everything else, it has been a very annoying, frustrating experience thus far

[@looots1320]

Lotf feels like playing Dark Souls 2 for me

[@fy4b230]

Well try to enjoy your first playthrough because with your comment I know you won’t want to play ng+.

[@youngtredadream]

Same !!

[@kotominekirei1706]

Ggs u arent gonna play ng+ trust me

[@TJones4L]

@@fy4b230 yeah, that’s what I’ve been trying to do 😭 it’s been very disappointing for me bc I was looking forward to it, but I’m just not a fan of the strong DS2 design influence

[@thrashhhhh]

LOTF is still unplayable on Xbox. Patches have done nothing to improve the constant stuttering and freezes, failure to load textures, etc. And the LOTF bosses are so easy it’s a joke. Lies of P is an actual masterpiece with fun, hard, and rewarding bosses.

[@ChaosSoulYT]

I've died so many times to random freezes during a bossfight it's unreal

[@youngtredadream]

Played lies of P and cant stop playing it. Started LOTF … beat the first three bosses and deleted it.. feels like a 39.99 dollar game priced at 69.99. Literally feels like Mortal shell lol

[@GreatRaijin]

I'd argue that mortal shell feels better than this game, mortal shell was a slow paced game, but Lotf was just jank. At least, i finished mortal shell

[@youngtredadream]

@@GreatRaijin I’d agree with you. I do feel like mortal shell is a better experience than LOTF. It just feels unfinished.

[@paxpw4017]

Combat: LOF Pinocchio can’t run for shit and rolls like a broken beanbag. The parry system makes the game for some people cause it’s kinda broken atm and it won’t be changed, only melee no magic, the you can’t roll after being hit down very well, it’s so feel bad. Level design: LOP Cmon now…. Bosses: LOF Every boss is completely unique and the fact the combat system is extremely versatile compared to LOP’s only melee. AND if you’re up for it there’s a whole game mode about beating the bosses. Beautiful. Performance: LOP 👁️👄👁️ Enemy design: LOF they’re both good but the the enemy LOF have flows and work compared to a more 1v1 nature of the sekiro inspired LOP, Story: subjective I will say Why did gapedo start the puppet frenzy like he didn’t have any motive. The entire reason the game exists is because Gepedo felt like it bru. Customization: LOF There’s so many new armors and weapons like HOLY. Difficulty: LOF The ONLY reason I’m saying this is because Summons exist. Also the crow fight is 👁️👄👁️ Uniqueness:LOP but kinda subjective 3 words -Pinocchio souls like- Enemy placement LOP 😭

[@thenomad8732]

Very good analisis but onestly i have to disagree I personaly tend too prefer LotF to LoP. First: and it is my personal taste, I have not enjoy the combat in P. It is a very refined combat sistem but not very enjoyable too much traking the enemy with a lot of pois and the dodge is not very relaiable, always give the feeling to have to bee on the defensive, LotF is undoubtedly more raw but more reactive and, for me more engaging. Second the map: uncomparable LoP is streemline LotF is veri interesting and interconnected. Third boss: not a big fan of either but at lest LotF present bether, and more readable pattern less traking and shorter combo. In the and, my opinion is LoP is tecnicaly more refined but a less interesting and engaging and more frustrating product, in general I faind more satisfaction in the challenge posed by LotF.

[@technoartfest8708]

Lies of P not even have multiplayer or Coop what a joke , all this nerds lies about lies of P being better. LotF have the top 3 most important features that souls like games neeeds to have.. 1)superior graphics immersion and creativity bring new things to the table a totally different world of what we are used to see, lies of p is just a predictable victorian french city. 2) Superior combat, likes of P not even support PVP or COOP , and doesn't have amazing variablity of combat like LotF , no two hands combat , no magic casters. and very limited customizationo of character and weapons. 3) Superior world exploration. you have two worlds in One.. While Lies of shit is only a victorian scenario of predictable boring victorian scenery. Games that wants to shine and surprise people , need to be innovative always and provide completely different things world to what people are used to play before.

[@doomzstrafe2749]

I do like Lies of P but Lords of the Fallen just has so much more I like, especially aesthetically. I love the lamp and the umbral system, it's cool af. And you create your character rather than just playing a premade. I think the combat is better in Lies of P but Lords of the Fallen isn't bad once you get used to it.

[@S_F_S]

Lies is of P is absolutely goated.... it was my GOTY 2023 together with Armored Core 6

[@cartersmith4081]

For anyone that likes this new wave of souls likes, i encourage all of you to try out thymesia. I feel like it got glossed over, but it has really fun bosses (a few stinkers, but overall pretty good), a great and unique combat system, and is very polished. My only complaint is that it is quite short, but its only $30 and i encourage people to try it.

[@ChaosSoulYT]

Thymesia is really not polished at all. Terrible framerate that feels like Lords of the fallen at launch. Floaty controls as well... whilst at the time it was one of the better cheap soulslikes, it is still considerably weaker then LotF, LoP, Nioh, Wo Long... etc

[@cartersmith4081]

@@ChaosSoulYT the frame rate wasn't that bad on PS5 for me. And I agree with you about other games being better, I think the price point reflects that. And in just my personal opinion, lotf is getting off the hook with way too much, there are some downright awful gameplay decisions in there that I feel like people are just ignoring. It can incredibly confusing; not in the engaging , dark souls way, but in a "where the fuck am I, I've been backtracking for 2 hours. Especially with the quest lines; they make the dark souls quests look like the college of winterhold; I cannot fathom how anyone figured them out, even with a guide they're confusing. Also, the new game plus not allowing fast travel is one of the most asenine, unintuitive decisions I've ever seen. I hope the community actively refuses to play new game plus so this issue is properly addressed by the developers, who seem quite dead set on keeping it at the moment. Overall I think it was a good attempt, but it seems they learned some of the wrong lessons from the souls series.

[@aaronhumphrey3514]

Both are good games, but if I were rating them I'd probably give LoP a higher score since it's a more refined game. Yet I enjoy LotF a lot more, mainly due to the exploration and the grimdark vibe. Really though, this is kind of an apples and oranges comparison. These are very different games even though they are in the same genre.

[@michaelflores3800]

I find this interesting. I am enjoying LotF so much more than LoP. I know LotF has many more issues than LoP. LoP was flawless on release (in my case at least), and i've been lucky to have very little issues in LotF. I have found the atmosphere so much more appealing and interesting in LotF than LoP. In fact LoP none of the areas interested me at all unfortunately. The combat has been so much more satisfying in LotF than LoP and im a parry god in both games. I even feel that LotF has so much more variety in combat than LoP, even leaning more on LotF's parry system than LoP. I might just like bad games, or just desperate for another Dark Souls esque game, and LotF has brought that for me. It's like relivin Dark Souls 2 again. Customization is fantastic, the npc's have interested much more than LoP, and the rpg mechanics feel so good. I know im definitely in the obscure percentage when it comes to opinions, but I do find it fascinating that I feel this way. Idk its just my thought on it, but overall i'm very happy to have both options available to me.

[@QuitRage]

I feel the same. LotF is the DS1 with DS3/ER combat i wanted.

[@aaronhumphrey3514]

I'm right there with you. LoP is technically a better game, but I just enjoy LotF a lot more.

[@atquinn1975]

Bounced off LoP based in the demo. Loving Lords of the Fallen. I'll definitely pick up LoP on sale at some point, but there are a bunch of EOY heavy hitters to get through first.

[@thomasjefferson2676]

If all you played was the demo, then you literally just got a small taste of the game. It keeps going getting deeper and better don’t wait for sale. Go ahead and buy it to support the developers. It’s obvious they worked really hard on it and it is a love letter to Souls fans like us.

[@COREcasual]

Parrying in lords of the fallen is used to break the enemies' posture. I hate the fact that you take wither damage even when parfect parrying, but it does break their posture quickly and you get that huge stagger attack

[@thomasjefferson2676]

One little gripe, I have about lies of p, which I absolutely love I’m not quite finished with my first Playthru yet, but little things like as soon as you defeat a boss, it immediately pops up with your reward. I wish it would keep that off the screen for just a few seconds longer. Just a small gripe. I’ve got plenty more but I just wanted to say that.

[@anthony4553]

I gotta give it to lord of p, a better balanced souls like

[@jamesshaver2376]

Lies of P is superior in every way except for the exploration aspect

[@aaronhumphrey3514]

Nah, LotF also has way more options for how to build characters and possible styles of play. There's just a lot more meat on those bones. That said Lies of P is a very good Soulslike, and is definitely a more refined game. I personally have more fun with LotF's less refined but more meaty design, but I can totally see why many prefer LoP.

[@user-uv7gs7yv9f]

Lies of p = good . Lords of the fallen = trash

[@Fredgilb29]

I agree that Lies of P is great and the bosses combat is amazing, but like Sekiro, that's for the first playthrough. On others playthrough the challenge is gone, like all souls games after learning bosses patterns they are easy. The blade + handle combination system is nice, but to me it's not at all as if these were "new builds". There's no real build diversity which is a big downside to me, after NG+4 I just stopped playing it. Lords of the Fallen, bosses fights are way too easy, but the fun I have with it, like most souls games, is the build diversity, I just want to try them all. No vestiges sucks tho but after reading the next patch note, they listened and they'll change it soon. Both games are great, but LoP replayability is just not there for me and it's not challenging anymore. I'll probably do a EL10 (all classes start at lvl 10) run at some point like I did for almost all of the souls games I played.

[@warrensmith7690]

Can’t believe how people even compare LoP to bloodborne, it hardly got anything in common. So much more like sekiro

[@Ajjooo]

Lies of p nice graphic and music, good storytelling too (maybe bc its linear), more polished but its too simple for me. Lord of the fallen imo has better combat (magic, combo, dodge and parry are good make fight with the boss alot easier) and better souls experience (more annoying, need good crowd management), but suffer from performance issue and the boss a bit disappointing. Both are good but i enjoy LotF more..

[@aaronhumphrey3514]

I mostly agree with everything you said here.

[@bigbonedones7162]

Lords of the Fallen- Dodge, parry will be a good bet for you my friend so don’t do it. In fact just block. Lies of P- Don’t block,don’t dodge just parry at the exact time.

[@karayi7239]

4:43 "wasn't on the nose" Gemini: *pretends to not exist*

[@ChaosSoulYT]

It's easy to ignore or turn off the voice volume

[@karayi7239]

@@ChaosSoulYT rip, I already finished the game.

[@kimbercustompro1911]

LOTF, IMHO is the superior game. Plus I played it on console so I'm not tainted by the usual hang ups that PC gamers take issues with ie performance. The game ran fine from the moment I booted it up until the moment I beat it, four times. Lies I played once and have zero desire to play through it's insufferably linear and uninspired world ever again, though it was far from a bad game

[@NoThing-wc3cs]

Lies of P sneaked in Denuvo after release, which is a no no to buy for me. LOTF didn’t do such a practice.

[@sashahuggett3803]

What’s the song playing in the background is it Sekiro ost?

[@bobmckoolky5346]

Sounds like LoP to me. From the menu.

[@looots1320]

"lies of P doesn't have good voice acting" so Elden ring also has bad voice acting? same voice actors/actresses

[@iskenderbey2458]

I was like wtf, Gepetto is literally Margit/Morgot 😂

[@ChaosSoulYT]

I'll say lies of ps voice acting is spotty then. Some are good but there are a few, most notably the blacksmith, who suck

[@Eauxz]

no you're right the voice acting didnt give the souls usual vibe @@ChaosSoulYT

[@oibraizolebulla]

LOP is really good, LOTF is borderline garbage

[@rob5541]

Biggest issues with Lies of P, are the ability of enemies clip through walls where you glace off the wall while attacking and how they tend to push you into a corner. The two paired got me killed more than anything but boss fights and it sucks. Lords of the fallen is really jank. It seems good but theres so many buggs. Had a biss get stuck in a corner and could have cheesed him to death easily. Enemies clip etc etc.

[@yamiletcruz3178]

Lies of p is way better but lords of the fallen is still better

[@Klinikas]

LoTF is winning over LoP because is so much bigger and has a lot more than LoP. LoTF is not so linear, has two dimentions system, has more weapons/armor/classes, magic, items, quests, portable bonefire where you have to think to use it ore not. And i found LoTF more chalenging which is also good. But both games are cool

[@o4oreo11]

do you not speak english?

[@ChaosSoulYT]

Sales and peak player counts suggest Lies of P is winning by a considerable margin

[@rtx4060-h3d]

you need perfect timing to parry on LOTF and only basic attk. the problem with lotf is performance issues and main boss ez to kill 🐌

[@demonsouls84]

lies has an almost perfect combat system, but the game is boring and linear, imho. Lords suffer a lot of bugs and worst optimization, but game design, exploration, lore, and fun, are great.

[@holythunderwolf527]

Lies of p is just way too linear, not even souls like game To be honest, how ever lords of the fallen is true souls like, i dont know why People hate this game i think its just lack of skill and becouse 2014 sucked thats why, there is no other explanation, i hope People grow up

[@firefistgaming117]

As someone who has beaten both now, Lies of P is the VASTLY better game on pretty much every objective margin. Better Gameplay Better level design Better Bosses better Story Better characters Better Overall Polish and Optimization ect. Better Enemy Design and Enemy placement And FAR FAR FAR better NG+!. LOTF isnt Terrible by any means, in fact its Better then most other soulslike attempts but it has a Significant amount of issues, to name some. -Character Creator is hot garbage,one of the worse ive seen in a VERY long time. -Enemy variety is pretty bad, mostly reskins later on -Mediocre Level design -Gameplay is far to clunky and Floaty -Enemy Spam is the core of this games difficulty and its annoying -Perfect blocking/Parrying...causes whither damage? Why do you get punished for playing super well? -Vestiges are spread out to much -Bosses are mostly either to easy or Gimmicks and relying on Enemy spam to make things "hard" -Spells are pretty weak, Nothing super standout orher then a few radiance spells. -Umbral is cool in theory but having it be puzzle focused while surviving infinite enemy spam is just annoying. -Snipers that shoot you from across the map for super cheap deaths and you cant lock on to them till Super close which is just annoying and they are setup everywhere in the game. -Final boss... Well it sucks. -NG+ is GARBAGE game design, It fundamentally Goes against the design philosophy of this genre, whats so offensive? It REMOVES ALL VESTIGES!!! cept the hub... And the one seed you can active at any time, Imagine in souls if all bonfires was Removed for NG+ it would be horrible with how bad some of the areas can be and needing to backtrack everywhere. Just pure artificial difficulty and annoyance to keep you playing longer. Pros- -Atmosphere -Umbral has a great Lovecraftian vibe -It can be fun to Mow down hordes of enemies once your Actually overleveled Honestly games like a 6-7/10 Lies of P has a steep learning curve but has the sekiro effect of feeling godly to play once the "click" happens.. 9.5/10

[@mickeycee8559]

Don’t really see a comparison. LOTF is ok, the world design is awesome but way over populated. Hard to be hard. Where lies of p if really hard but feels fair and genuinely challenfing

[@saggydumpling7532]

Lies of P babyyyyy! LOTF - The weapons combat are trash. Same move set. Light / heavy attack are same shit with every weapons.

[@Hoonter101]

I honestly think in the near future these current gen consoles will suffer more performance issues. They are under powered.

[@juicypopcookie]

When lies of p first announce, it setting and the atmosphere immediately intriguing me, but the lords of fallen... Idk, I feel like it's just an average soulslike and nothing special or unique.

[@MarkJusti]

Lies of P all the way. why? LOTF runs like shit, Lies of P buttery smooth performance.

[@kidbuufatkid7287]

Lords of the falling deaths!

[@uzuvibe5420]

Lotf>>>

[@Atum1c]

Lords of the fallen is a lot better , maybe needs more patches …lies of is just boring story and asphetics are dull

[@allandm]

I liked Lords of the Fallen more, simply because enemies in Lies of P movesets are too awkward and unintuitive. They are just not fun to fight, not for me anyways. They are super janky and with sudden unnatural accelerations, you just sorta need to memorize the timings, there's also a weird delay to the parry. I find fighting in loft much more fun, as I can actually read enemies attacks and don't have to just guess or memorize everything.

[@RawShinoB]

LoP just takes time. It will click, like any difficult game. The parry is still difficult, but it does come together nicely. It's definitely worth it.

[@allandm]

​@@RawShinoBi finished the game, but I always found it awkward. Except for a few bosses like the Scrap Watchman and the swamp boss (which were hard but many moves u could read and they were fun), but most bosses moves are just physics breaking to catch you. They accelerate way too fast, faster than it's possible to react to, even some red attacks. I remember Simon had this kick, he would pull his foot back to indicate he's about to attack, then he:d come at you at lightspeed, way sooner than what you'd expect in a pretty much impossible acceleration. These just felt cheap and annoying to me, i still think its a great game but these movesets... fck me

[@RawShinoB]

@@allandm You're right. Some are unreactable. But it's miniscule compared to the amount of different attacks. My only issue : some moves look exactly the same but with different timings. Other than that the parry feels really solid once it clicks. The game kind of forces you to either get gud or use the many alternative paths i.e throwables,P organ upgrades/ specters. Wishtones etc. I think it follows Sekiro's gameplay growth beautifully. At first it feels impossible, but once you start NG+, it feels great to destroy enemies/some bosses with ease. I will admit it does take a bit longer to CLICK than Sekiro.

[@allandm]

@@RawShinoB Sekiro is actually my favourite game ever combat wise, Lies of P was good, but the boss fights just didn't have any rhythm to them. I could never get into a flow state with the boss, in Sekiro I could in pretty much with every boss. They were hard but reactable, it was just about memory but you could actually track their attacks. But to each their own, lies of p bosses weren't super fun for me personally

[@MikeRavia-xp5ig]

This game ran horrible on PC at launch.

[@Hoonter101]

I prefer LOTF all day to LOP

[@user-uv7gs7yv9f]

Wrong

[@pico55555]

@@user-uv7gs7yv9f why a personal opinion can be wrong? You need to grow up man.

[@Hoonter101]

Right lol its my preference and I can play what I want. I swear souls fans are the worst. They refuse to let people have their own fun. @@user-uv7gs7yv9f

[@Hoonter101]

Also, Lies of Pee is just gay and uninspired. Why in Gods name would I want to roleplay as a robot twink. Its not a fantasy any man wants but I feel like most of these simps live in their mommys house still@@user-uv7gs7yv9f

[@HTSontherun]

LOTF is much better ive played both but LOTF multiplayer is bugged but overall it provides more than LOP

[@chaddavid1037]

Definitely

[@loboguard3280]

Lies of P had better bosses. LOTF has a bunch of Gank squads. And NG+ is way better on LOP.

[@HTSontherun]

@@loboguard3280 hmmm I think LOTF has better bosses I didn't beat LOP but I was like 2 bosses away from beating it I did a refund for LOTF day 1 I was playing LOP to pass time til LOTF came out LOP is a good game but LOTF is just on another level I view LOP as a beginner Souls like

LotF is the best game of the year for me. That game is the closest thing to a dark souls game you can get. LOP is just another soulslike for me, way too linear, uninteresting bosses, uninteresting weapons, none of the bosses was fun, but all of them was a big annoyance. And there is only one way to play that game.

[@Pranjalchoudhary100]

😂

@@Pranjalchoudhary100your arguments are unquestionable :D

[@Pranjalchoudhary100]

@ 😅

[@ZettasLittleWorld]

I somewhat agree; although "lotf " is a really good game, I'd say it doesn't deserve the amount of hate it gets, in my opinion. But it's not the best game. I haven't seen much about "lop," but after playing "lotf," it's actually a really solid game. There are some performance issues and other problems, but they're rolling out patches almost every day. The devs are really trying. It really isn't a bad game if you give it a chance, anyway.

@@ZettasLittleWorld well, i do not say it's the best game, i say it's the best game for me :)

[@abrahosen]

My biggest issue with lies of p is the same issue I have with most souls likes, lack of build variety. Where as lords of the fallen does just as good as any actual souls game.

[@boredom77730]

You lost me at lack of build variety. Lol

[@aaronhumphrey3514]

​@@boredom77730Lies of P has very minimal build variety or play style variety for the genre. How did that lose you?

[@boredom77730]

@@aaronhumphrey3514 There is around 800+ weapons you can make in LoP, which is already more builds than any from souls game. Not even mentioning P-organ utilization for each of those weapons. Only thing I can agree on is play style variety as there is only 4. Melee, Throwing, Summons (cube), and legion arm.

[@karayi7239]

Lies of P is VERY polished but is a boring copycat in every way and their interpretation of difficulty is just "attack go fast", it does next to nothing of its own, even the lore and world setting is a cheap reskin of Yharnam. If you think I'm too harsh, name 5 things that Lies of P does VERY WELL that aren't direct rip-offs. LoTF has INFINETLY better level design, build variety, enemy variety, and much more. However, It fails miserably when it comes to performance, and the bosses are a underpowered. LoP 6/10 LoTF 7.5/10

[@ChaosSoulYT]

- unique story - amazing unique enemy design - fantastic customization and diverse builds through the p organ upgrades - incredibly unique score with unique songs composed just for the game - a phenomenal combat system entirely of its own, which blends the best parts of bloodborne, souls and sekiro to create something unique and fun ...I could go oh Lies of p: 9/10 Lords: 6/10

[@karayi7239]

@@ChaosSoulYT sounds like marketing team generic lines.

[@darkcloud9053]

I don't like anything lies of p has to offer. Weapons are so bland.

[@varshard0]

Gigantic Pizza Cutter go brrrrr. Seriously, weapons are so bland. It's until the last 40% of the game that weapons get more interesting. Some what excuse is these weapons are likely some repurposed industrial tools. So, can't go too wonky with them

[@chaddavid1037]

I was looking forward to lies of p for so long but i was highly dissapointed. Lords of the fallen is already 10 times better and i just started. I platnumed lies of p. In that the combat was terrible, hit boxes were ridiculous with The enemy hits you from the other side of room , zero stamina for enemies, no posture for P, the enemies just spam flurry attacks. They tried to out do fromsoft in making the game hard but without a fair system, just chaos, and i found a way to deal with them and exploit and punish them for it but it wasnt fun. And the targeting is awful, the enemy winds up and holds indefinitely while a tracking system follows you so you will get hit . Sekiro was polished, awesome, hard but fair, you got good and youre rewarded for it. Lies of p is almost like this but they got greedy with spamming the same crap in the name of trying to be known as a sekiro type game and i think they needed more time to polish it up. The linear design, telling you where the side missions are isnt even fun. No armor , armor stats, perks, etc. No level requirements for weapons. Barely any hyper armor when swinging big weapons on a strength build. So far lords of the fallen with the 2 worlds mechanic like Soul Reaver is awesome, so many options of where to go as well, doesnt seem linear , doesnt hold your hand on where to go what to do, it feels like dark souls 3 and bloodborne which is good. I just started tho so i dont have a full opinion yet.

[@Reqkuiem]

I also fully completed LoP and almost done with LotF. Both games are great but there’s definitely more replayability in LotF. I really disliked the linear path that LoP chose. I mean I get it, for people who suck at souls games it’s one of the best entry points.

[@lcepik21]

@@Reqkuiemleast self righteous souls fan

[@RawShinoB]

You just need to practice LoP. Believe me, it will click just like Sekiro. LoP is all gameplay /bosses. NG+ feels great. LotF has great exploration but its combat is wonky IMO. Plus too many enemies. Ranged enemies are OP. LoTF is Dark Souls 1 2023.

[@Ajjooo]

@@RawShinoB u need to learn crowd management that what i learnt from the game.

[@chaddavid1037]

Lies of P is beginners souls (minus the flawwed combat system)

[@RawShinoB]

LoP system is tough not flawed. Honestly, I wouldn't tell any newcomer to play LoP as a beginner. The parry/dodge window is very tight. Unless you wanna cheese your way through the game LoP is not beginner friendly IMO.

[@Vuvuzelas4life]

LotF > lies of pi. Both great fuck that LoP parry window

[@xxxhalo4everxxx]

me from 1:04 onwards: KICK HER FFS

[@Reqkuiem]

Lies of P is a great game and I loved it. But it is definitely a “babies first souls like game”.

[@thcrackman7514]

I wouldnt say its a babies first souls game, just based solely off how hard it can be. But i guess the difficulty will hit different depending on your playstyle

[@Ti_Fire]

Yea his comment makes zero sense lol. Lies of P is harder than any Souls game, if you are playing without the specter. @@thcrackman7514

[@Reqkuiem]

@@thcrackman7514it’s definitely challenging, just not as challenging as other souls games with the exception of maybe demons souls.

[@allandm]

​@@Reqkuiemi think this was harder then every fromsoft game, bosses attack patterns are so awkward and unintuitive. U can't rely on instinct at all, u just need to guess when to parry or memorize every weird timing. Even Sekiro had more intuitive ti parry attacks, and the parry wasn't one frame active aha

[@varshard0]

​@@allandmSo enemies rely on delay attacks. Bosses even extend their limbs beyond the screen. It took me so long to get the parry timing.

[@xxxhalo4everxxx]

qeustion, how is the story in lords of the fallen overbearing compared to dark souls exactly? how is "cleanse beacons and kill bosses, off you go dark crusader!" overbearing compared to "ring bells and kill bosses or go kill bosses, off you go, chosen undead/bearer of the curse/ashen one!" ? i dont understand what you were getting at there, just like in dark souls the story of lords of the fallen is paper thin and barely exists if you dont go out of your way to learn what it is

[@ChaosSoulYT]

I think it's because it's so cheesy and much more generic blah blah fantasy stuff as opposed to dark souls' classy approach

[@ELDENLORD89]

It’s very performative in a way that the Souls games aren’t. I really think it’s just the western philosophy on writing and world building that makes the contrast between the fantasy gobbledygook people say in LoTF vs Elden Ring seems so different despite both drawing from the same pool of troupes. That’s not necessarily an indictment on LoTF but rather to point out just how different the Japanese are when it comes to subtlety in character archetypes and time periods.

[@Hoonter101]

Its no less cheesy then Sekiro@@ChaosSoulYT

[@Hoonter101]

Westerners are superior writers @@ELDENLORD89

[@ChaosSoulYT]

@Willhelm4131 And I also don't like the story of sekiro so 🤷‍♂️

[@enol1466]

Its really telling of how awful the state if the souls community is when half the comments are suckkng off Lies of P, which is incredibly imbalanced and has so many combat issues, but become the bosses are hard (poorly designed) its told to be a "masterpeice" meanwhile Lords clearly has so much more effort put into its level design, universe, and build varity and is given no credit. This is why i can no longer stand the souls community, yall are genuinely so unfun