Life Behind the Berlin Wall - Full Video

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7 ай бұрын

Why did people risk their lives to escape East Berlin? Take a country and its capital city. Cut them in half. Build a wall through the middle of the capital to keep the parts - and the people - separated. Now install a command economy on one side and a free market on the other. Which side will provide a better life for its people?
Following World War II, Germany and its capital, Berlin, were divided exactly like that. What was the result of this economic experiment? Learn from people who lived on both sides of the Berlin Wall about how vastly different life was from one side to the other and discover why people were willing to risk their lives to escape East Berlin.
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Ralf Zwanziger
Ralf Zwanziger 2 ай бұрын
Videos like this should be obligatory to every child to see. Best place for that would be the history lessons at school. Thank you, Mr. Zitelmann, for your explanations.
Brett Thomas
Brett Thomas 14 күн бұрын
Exactly!!! Especially in all our western society universities!! Here's your "perfect workers" paradise!
Scott Harris
Scott Harris 18 күн бұрын
showing it in my classroom today
Marc Roy
Marc Roy 27 күн бұрын
I agree 100%
Next
Next 28 күн бұрын
Yes, but also must not be forgotten what germans did in WWII. So when the kids get taught about the tough conditions of DDR, they should also be informed at least how germans destroyed european part of the Soviet Union. And its people. Maybe kids learn that every action has a reaction.
Haeuptling Aberja
Haeuptling Aberja Ай бұрын
I once hitchhiked across East Germany, in 1985, which my West German friends told me was impossible, not to mention insane, but then again, I was an idealistic young American hippie and I did a lot of things that they wouldn't have dreamed of doing. (They still shake their heads in disbelief when we talk about it today, almost 40 years later, long after reunification.) Anyway, it was like one of those movies, or a Twilight Zone episode that switches from color to black and white, a deeply surreal and rather frightening experience. The East German police immediately detained me at the border, but didn't seem to know quite what to do with me, as if they were as confused by my behavior as my West German friends. Eventually, after many phone calls to higher authorities, they decided to release me, saying that I could enter the country with certain conditions, such as reporting to a local police station every night. They also said that I couldn't just cross the border on foot, because it was illegal to walk on the Autobahn, which is where the border crossing was. So, I started hitchhiking, which they also didn't like. Really getting frustrated with me now, they said that I could only catch a ride if I stood directly under the machine gun in the guard tower, which was not exactly the most inviting place for anyone to stop. I stood there for almost 4 hours, until finally a beat up old Trabant pulled over and picked me up. Turned out that the driver was completely drunk, but we made it all the way to Berlin, where I stayed for a week, crossing over into East Berlin everyday on day passes to explore that strange grey world where many of the buildings were still pockmarked by bullet holes or hastily filled in. And I swear that after the first day I was always followed, and none too discreetly, like in the spy movies. As if they wanted me to know. They did take my picture when they detained me at the border crossing, after all, so I suppose it's possible that they had been keeping an eye on me from the beginning. When I was hitchhiking again, out of Berlin, back to the West, I hadn't gotten far before an announcement came over the radio in the truck that had given me a lift, telling us to pull over on the shoulder of the road. A few minutes later, a small truck full of my old friends, the East German Police, pulled up and a bunch of them started checking everyone's passports and searching some of the cars and trucks. The truck driver who had picked me up started freaking out when I handed the cops my American passport, which they took and then walked away, with no explanation, and the driver started complaining to me for not telling him I was an American. (My German was really very good back then, he never asked where I was from, and it just never came up...) A little while later there was this great droning in the air and suddenly the sky was full of the biggest planes I have ever seen: absolutely massive Russian military planes, which landed right on the Autobahn and proceeded to disgorge a great many tanks, trucks and thousands of soldiers. They were conducting maneuvers! Meanwhile, the cops returned and ordered me out of the truck, telling the driver not to move, that I was his responsibility, which did not make him any happier with me. So then these cops interrogated me, asking all sorts of questions about what I had been up to for the past week and wanting to know how I knew about the military maneuvers, which I obviously knew nothing about. After maybe two hours of this, and clearly not believing me, they finally took me back to my cheerful truck driver, and we drove the rest of the way out of East Germany in silence. Truly one of the strangest places I ever visited. Never went back.
Sharon Rigs
Sharon Rigs 13 күн бұрын
Thanks for the great story! Sounds crazy
Suresh Mukhi
Suresh Mukhi 26 күн бұрын
@Haeuptling Aberja thanks
Haeuptling Aberja
Haeuptling Aberja 27 күн бұрын
@Suresh Mukhi No, not that I saw. He was mostly mad at being delayed, I think. Okay, not so happy about the attention from the Polizei, but there were many kids hitching from West Berlin to Hamburg at that time, and a lot of truck drivers did pick them up, probably out of a mixture of kindness and boredom. I don't really know why the border crossing in the South, from Bavaria, at Hof in 1985, was so different, but it was.
live in ms
live in ms 28 күн бұрын
I had an interesting conversation once with an east berliner. She said freedom meant so much to her parents because they remembered freedom. She was born into captivity and became free at age 12 She had to Learn how to be free. Watching the berline wall come down was the most emotional historical event of my lifetime
David's Radio Room
David's Radio Room Ай бұрын
I lived in Germany when the Wall came down. It was one of the most momentous times in my life. I will never forget it.
Sam evans
Sam evans Ай бұрын
I went through the Check point Charlie, before the wall came down. The guards where a frightening experience, or should I say living in a free country, the experience was frightening. I remember being on the train from Frankfurt to Berlin, the train travelling through East Germany. The Eastern Guards came on the train before Berlin, and checked passports. Then in Berlin in the West, the passengers who lived in the East where not allowed to get off the train. I still can see the face of a lady looking out the window, the empty sad feeling she had on her face. I think if any person defected, their families still in East Germany were chastised. I think that is how it was, I have that trip for ever in my mind. It is so sad, how the World today persecuted people, it will never change. I pray that God will return, as He will to end this persecution. I was very sad to watch a KZbin video in relation to China and the “one child” policy. The little girls in these orphanages, because they are girls, was in human, disgusting, and the Chinese Government push it under the mat. I wanted to go and adopt all of them. I am going to Israel in August, I want to do a 10 day Christian tour of the holy land, and put all the visitation place into my Bible knowledge. I have researched the people, the food, the culture, and I know there is political issues, not my problem, but God will guide me for the right reasons. It looks a beautiful place, I cannot wait. And I am going to fly on El Al one way, the Jewish Airline. (I hope).. Revin Evans Queensland Australia.
476233
476233 23 күн бұрын
I cannot imagine. At the border with Mexico coming back to the states, I was drenched in sweat. My uncle said I was looking suspicious because I couldn’t speak right and my face was all white. I couldn’t imagine going from east to west Germany and vice versa
Toosiya Brandt
Toosiya Brandt 25 күн бұрын
Hi! Shalom to us only in Christ Yeshua returning soon to reign over the world from Jerusalem!
Michael Mattern
Michael Mattern 29 күн бұрын
I had same experience as a boy. They doors of the train were locked in the East and guards with machine guns checked your passport. It was frightening to see at 13. Stasi everywhere in the East watching. My Mother went to talk to a elderly women on a bench in W. Berlin. The women wouldn't speak. Across the way, was a man in long black leather coat watching, Stasi.
Guy Morris
Guy Morris Ай бұрын
Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, designed China to be the pilot program for the one child policy and the US will be the final exam. I learned this in War Againdt The Weak by Edwin Black.
Ricky Low
Ricky Low Ай бұрын
You are a good person
Kevin Festner
Kevin Festner 27 күн бұрын
Your coverage is excellent. I lived in Germany (West), specifically Heidelberg, in the 1980s. I went in and out of the East more times than I could count. I recall visiting the East German Kaufhalle, and there were shortages. In Leipzig, there was this huge 'department' store void of any merchandise, except for jewelry. It was odd, musical instruments were inexpensive. In East Berlin, I recall the Bier was rancid, food quality lousy. I recall visiting the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier guarded by the Soviets. The general infrastructure was in complete disrepair. It was an unique experience to have traveled in and out of the old Eastern Bloc.
George Tunstill
George Tunstill Ай бұрын
I was stationed in West Germany from 1979 to 1981. I wanted to go to Berlin on a day off but the only way to get to Berlin was by Army troop train from Frankfurt and you could only travel by night. I'm so glad that in my lifetime, the Berlin Wall has fallen and Germany has been reunited. And, I like to think I had a small part in that happening.
Juan Murillo
Juan Murillo Күн бұрын
No, i drove to east berlin,. went there at least 5 times took my family once.
gary mathena
gary mathena 11 күн бұрын
Gary Mathena 40th Armor and 2/6 Inf 1979-81. Amen Brother
SilentEcho9194
SilentEcho9194 27 күн бұрын
I was there in '91/'92 for Operation Silent Echo. I still carry my challenge coin in my pocket every day.
douglas shriver
douglas shriver 28 күн бұрын
1974 - 1975 16 dpu . nellingen barracks
darkWorkOne
darkWorkOne 27 күн бұрын
Great video! I lived in Germany in the late 1980s as a child and hope to revisit in the next couple years. I got to experience the Fall of the Berlin Wall in person...an experience I'll never forget! My family lived near Giessen (Langgöns) and we just happened to be visiting Berlin when the Wall fell, a very lucky coincidence. My Father had a camcorder at the time and recorded our experience! Thanks again for your video!
Murray Dean
Murray Dean 8 күн бұрын
If you revisit after all these years you will find yourself in a very different country. Germany is now a modern, efficient country. However the population demographic will quite probably come as a shock and may sadden you.
S&W Roading
S&W Roading 27 күн бұрын
I almost certainly have left during the "Brain Drain" period when people could move to West Germany. Thank you, Mr. Zitelmann, for your poignant rendition of Germany's history.
Arne
Arne 6 ай бұрын
As German who was born in the former area of eastern Germany, i just can confirm what is said in this video. Sadly some people in Germany, especially in Berlin like to deny the disaster socialism has done and think, that this was not the "real socialism"... NEVER EVER SOCIALISM AGAIN!
Dale Gribble
Dale Gribble 26 күн бұрын
@John Hatchel They'll apparently let us keep our guns THIS time LOL
John Hatchel
John Hatchel Ай бұрын
American socialists say the same thing. It's never been done right! WE are the ones to make it work!
Вадим Вадимович
Вадим Вадимович Ай бұрын
you expect anyone to believe you with a name like arn?
Thomas Ludwig Kelley
Thomas Ludwig Kelley Ай бұрын
same here !
Mingus Thurber
Mingus Thurber Күн бұрын
Having been to W. and E. Berlin a couple of times, I always thought how absurd the wall was. It was like an inside-out prison. I knew something that absurd couldn’t last. It didn’t. What joy I had when I watched the fall of the wall in November ‘89. I so want to go back and see Berlin now.
Finanzen-im-Griff
Finanzen-im-Griff 2 ай бұрын
Die Unterschiede der zwei Systeme wurde richtig gut erklärt und gezeigt, vielen Dank 🙏 Ich hätte schon gedacht, dass Dr. Dr. Zitelmann anfängt zu Weinen 😅
Hanzee Dent
Hanzee Dent 28 күн бұрын
There was a very informative article about Berlin - both East and West - published by National Geographic in their January 1970 issue. In the very last sentence of this article, the author quotes a Czech refugee then living in West Berlin who said, "Berlin, remember, could also be the place where the Cold War ends." Those words proved to be remarkably prophetic. The Cold War ended when the Wall fell.
hazchem
hazchem 27 күн бұрын
Thank you. Like the solid historian, I too watched the demonstrations, although with great anxiety, thinking that the police would close the streets, and I imagined these wonderful people going to the Gulag ..... Nobody was more surprised than me (staring at the tv with mouth agape in disbelief) that the people peacefully achieved their liberty. Practically a miracle, and in dazzled wonderment, I remember marvelling whether these young east Germans were angels :)
Nicola Horst
Nicola Horst 7 ай бұрын
Wenn sowas in Schulen gezeigt werden würde, dann hätten viele junge Menschen ein ganz anderes Verständnis von den Unterschieden und Auswirkungen von Sozialismus und Kapitalismus! Sehr gutes Video!
Xavier Puth
Xavier Puth Ай бұрын
@Zanti Das ist noch Ostalgie. Die Wahrheit ist also das Gegenteil...
Zanti
Zanti Ай бұрын
@Nicola Horst ja Quellen habe ich. Vergleiche mal meine Geburtsstadt Eisenhüttenstadt mit früher und heute. Damals das blühende Leben überall Kinderwagen 53000 Einwohner. Heute 23000 alte Menschen und Hartzer.
dman030
dman030 16 күн бұрын
Thank you for this. These times should never be forgotten by the younger generations. No heating, not telephone.....imagine how that was.
Daryl Lamonaco
Daryl Lamonaco 25 күн бұрын
I love this guy he is great and delivers his content in a humorous but factual way!
Maximilian Bieber
Maximilian Bieber 5 ай бұрын
Sehr bedauerlich, dass es wieder eine steigende Tendenz bei jungen Menschen gibt, die sich so ein System zurückwünschen.
Gregory Drew
Gregory Drew 2 күн бұрын
I remember very well when the Iron Curtain began coming down. It was something I never thought I would see in my lifetime. Whenever enough humans come together and say enough is enough, marvelous things can and do happen.
Kobhe Eg
Kobhe Eg Ай бұрын
This is an excellent video! Everyone should watch it and remember the truth of the former GDR in order to know how a communist leaded country will end. This is nowadays the same critical situation of Cuba and Venezuela. Always the same! Younger people should be educated in true values of freedom, knowing what history tells us about not being free. Thanks a lot for the video and the message.
Ali Barron
Ali Barron 5 күн бұрын
In 1961 I was in a first alert unit of the U.S. Army, as part of a NATO Force, stationed in Munich, West Germany. Out primary goal was to immediately get to Berlin in case of trouble.. We never really knew what that goal was supposed to be. We received an alert one night to load up and go to an airbase at Furstenfelbruk (sp) , taking even parachutes with us. We boarded transport planes and circled over France, et al for over an hour before finally setting back down. There were a lot of tears on our faces, especially on those who had been in combat before. We slept for a couple of nights on the tarmac alongside the planes before the alert was rescinded. That was in the first days of August and they began building the Berlin Wall soon after. I was eighteen at the time and over eighty now but nearly every detail can still be remembered. All peoples' goal should be to never let another autocrat or dictator rise to power.
gregory Kelsey
gregory Kelsey 26 күн бұрын
I'm so glad Germany's doing well... I think the Germans are a great people
Joanne
Joanne 12 күн бұрын
I visited East Berlin when I was a student, in the spring of 1988. In fact, there was a bad smell that permeated the place. I visited twice, the first time with a guided tour and the second time alone. During the tour, I noticed that the guide's suit was worn and stained, and he gave off that same odor. I only learned later that it was the smell of brown coal.
Barbara Sunday
Barbara Sunday 14 күн бұрын
When I was in high school I tried to have a pen pal in East Germany that a private party introduced me to. It didn't last long because it was so hard to communicate through censorship, Letters would be opened, "edited" and the envelopes taped closed.I tried to send media items, but those got mutilated and then returned to me. A certain segment of the American population needs to see videos like this one and hear from survivors of socialist reality.
D M
D M 27 күн бұрын
I was an MP at check point Charlie 1975. Also Check Point Bravo. I’m sharing my Cold War experience with my granddaughter for her class.
Bill Olsen
Bill Olsen 23 күн бұрын
16:50 😊 I visited East Berlin at age 15 on a group tour of Europe in 1969. Empty streets and unsmiling people, but we had a young tour guide who was brimming with forced excitement about the socialist economic strides being made in the Democratic Peoples Republic of Germany which were going to pay off real soon. We did get to see a Tatra 603 carrying a car full of, I assume, government or commie party big wigs down the Alexanderstrasse where the Alexa shopping mall is now. The Berlin Wall was rather short and at the time I recall being unimpressed until we saw the setbacks on the other side that the East Germans were working on, slowly creating a no-man's-land for their citizens to make the approach from the eastern side more difficult and deadly. Still have mixed emotions about the division of Germany into free and communist since I still think the nation had to be punished for what they did to their neighbors and the 12 million Jews & non-jews they exterminated, but it was mostly the younger generation in the East, who'd had nothing to do with Nazism, that suffered by having their lives restricted for so long.
poetcomic1
poetcomic1 Ай бұрын
I remember those days in Poland and Czecho. There is no more glorious feeling than when the secret police and the tormentors are suddenly afraid of the people!
ChangesOneTim
ChangesOneTim Ай бұрын
Excellent video. Escape: If I were in my teens, twenties or thirties, unmarried, without children and with more than a basic education - yes certainly I would have risked it! Otherwise, I think I'd feel more resigned to my lot, not put my wife and children in danger and try to live each day in hope that the socialist "democratic" state would improve our standard of living.
ForeverFarang
ForeverFarang Ай бұрын
Excellent video ! Well done !
gary mathena
gary mathena 11 күн бұрын
I was stationed in West Berlin from 1979-81. I traveled to East Berlin several times and shopped in the Zentrum and purchased products made in Eastern Block countries. East Berlin was like going to Mars. People would stare at us like we were aliens. Of course we had to travel in class A's dress uniforms. To look at the city and the building's which had battle damage from ww2, the wide streets to impress visitor's. But, no cars on the streets. Nothing on the shelves for the people to buy. Constant surveillance from the police and Stasi. So very sad, and as history has shown a waste of time and suffering.
ORIOVALDO LA ROQUE DE MATOS FILHO
ORIOVALDO LA ROQUE DE MATOS FILHO Ай бұрын
maravilhoso documentário !!
Augusto Braidotti
Augusto Braidotti 29 күн бұрын
There is a lovely bit of the original, untouched outer Wall near the old railway bridge at Liesenstrasse. Then or course at Bernauerstrasse. The Wall at East Side Gallery was the Inner wall.
Joseph Taylor
Joseph Taylor Ай бұрын
Great documentary. Love the then and now pics.
kchall5
kchall5 9 күн бұрын
DW did an incredible production on the Stasi, its infamous chief Erich Mielke, and Mielke's even more notorious boss, Erich Honecker. It interviewed several former Stasi officers long after the dissolution of their organization and the country it controlled. To a man they appeared to be unrepentant.
Sean Whitty
Sean Whitty Ай бұрын
Yes i like to think i would have tryed to do something about leaveing the east for the west unfortunatly the east at the time had very little going for it great to see it doing well now with reunification 👍👍
paulwebbiweb
paulwebbiweb Ай бұрын
They voted for"an economy like the United States". Not really. It was what Erhard, the man in charge of the economy in West Germany, called the "social market economy". Free market, yes, but the "social" part meant that it would be a welfare state. Not like the United States.
Lorna Rettig
Lorna Rettig 14 күн бұрын
@bob bobbly No. I’m other words, German people largely understand that we’re all in this together, and that brings better outcomes for everyone than immature every-man-for-himself stuff. There’s plenty that’s good about the US, but I’d live in Germany over the US any time, because society and community matter. I prefer community spirit over individualistic, and that’s nothing to do with ‘being told what to do’. Why do so many in the US persist in thinking ‘community spirit’ = ‘you love being told what to do’?! The two are entirely unconnected, and this thinking betrays a very juvenile way of being in the world.
paulwebbiweb
paulwebbiweb 24 күн бұрын
@bob bobbly If you say so, but the Germans do vote for the representatives who tell them what to do and everyone has a vote that really counts towards the election results. When I say they vote, the vast majority actually do so. It's a representative democracy.
bob bobbly
bob bobbly 24 күн бұрын
@paulwebbiweb in other words ,they like being told what to do....unlike other countries who do what they want (with limitations ,of course)
paulwebbiweb
paulwebbiweb 25 күн бұрын
@Tom Kastendiek It's not that simple. I can see I went much too far by ascribing the notion of welfare state to Erhard, but I think the word "social" has always meant more than a belief in trickle-down. Admittedly there has been a lot of variation in the interpretation of the word over the decades! I certainly don't think the post-war German electorate has ever subscribed to American-style capitalism and from my long experience of Germany, I know that Germans in general like government and place a high value on social solidarity.
Tom Kastendiek
Tom Kastendiek 27 күн бұрын
Erhard meant with the „social“ market never a big welfare state. He said that the market itself is social because it creates wealth for everyone.
SA
SA Ай бұрын
Excellent video, thank you. Makes me believe that the GDR was paradise compared to current day North Korea.
Der Spreewälder
Der Spreewälder 6 ай бұрын
Great Video Dr. Dr. Zitelmann.👍 Thanks.
Ralph O. Michels
Ralph O. Michels 10 күн бұрын
In the meantime, we have two generations of young people in Germany who only know this time from stories told by their parents. No system will succeed in dividing a people in the long run, neither in Korea nor in Cyprus. Time works against the dictators. They can imprison people by force, they can erect walls, but they cannot permanently prevent people from experiencing what kind of world awaits them behind these walls.
Hans-Peter Stiegler
Hans-Peter Stiegler 29 күн бұрын
I went to east Germany first time in 1986 , I lost all illusions about communism in a moment 😢😢
Richard Smith
Richard Smith 27 күн бұрын
I spent 6 years in West Germany in the U.S. Army from 1973 to 1979. I served in Armor and Cavalry units and patrolled the border between West Germany and East Germany and Czechoslovakia. I to had tears flowing down my face when the wall came down. I never thought it would happen in my lifetime. Every American child should be shown this video in schools in America. The reality of Socialism is a nightmare!!!
gary mathena
gary mathena 11 күн бұрын
Berlin Brigade, 1979-81. I never thought the wall would come down in my lifetime. Freedom will always prevail over slavery. Thanks a lot buddy.
Tyler's Elevators
Tyler's Elevators Ай бұрын
Bravo 👏. Well done
Bohumíra Kaksová
Bohumíra Kaksová Ай бұрын
Tak jsme žili všichni. Hranice, ostnaté dráty nabité elektrickým proudem, nebo zóny se psy, kteří reagovali na podnět narušení hranice a byli vypuštění k zadržení narušitele. Ovšem spíš k jeho likvidaci.👋Aus🇨🇿
Glenn Leslie
Glenn Leslie 11 күн бұрын
Wonderful video!
Alex Clement
Alex Clement Ай бұрын
9:18: That film of the East German guard jumping the fence was taken the day I was born; my mom remembered seeing it in the news the next day while recuperating in the hospital. The man eventually committed suicide.
Yvonne Rask
Yvonne Rask 26 күн бұрын
Thanks to my niece I have a piece of that historic wall❤
Joe Macinnis
Joe Macinnis 4 күн бұрын
All free men, wherever they may live are citizens of Berlin. Therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words ich bin ein Berliner!
David Lamont
David Lamont Ай бұрын
I flirted for 5 minutes with the idea of becoming communist in my thinking and it is videos like this one that woke me up and snapped out of it.
jano192729
jano192729 Ай бұрын
The moment when you 😭 I felt exactly the same. We Went through the same shitshow. All good now
J PR
J PR Ай бұрын
This history is quickly becoming lost on the newest generations
Alex Clement
Alex Clement Ай бұрын
9:51: "Where they could then travel by plane or rail to West Germany".. Partially untrue. If you were an East German fleeing to West Germany (rather than staying in Westberlin), you did NOT travel by rail. All rail lines to Westberlin travelled through East Germany, and East German "Greppos" (border guards) would ride the train, partially to make certain nobody entered or left the train during transit, but also to look for those committing "republikflucht" (fleeing the country), whom they WOULD arrest. Essentially EVERYBODY who fled the east through Wesberlin left by air. The rail links were only used by citizens of West Germany and of other countries.
Didier GÉRÔME
Didier GÉRÔME Ай бұрын
Really cool video, thanks a lot. DG
Alex tea drinker
Alex tea drinker Ай бұрын
Vielen dank für die Untertiteln auf Englisch.
Current Batches
Current Batches Ай бұрын
3:56 - And, boy howdy, did it ever lead to prosperity! 5:47 - The "knowledge problem"; no one can *know* what the public wants. It is simply impossible and leads to the failure of every planned economy everywhere and always. 8:45 - Yep, the west Germans were just flocking to the east! (sarc) 15:03 - Gorbachev knew that if he shut down the illegal 'courtyard' markets, he'd have riots, since those were the only reliable sources of food for the public. 17:02 - Pretty sure it started as "we are the people", but then became "we are *EIN* volk"", which, to the GDR leadership, had a whole 'nother meaning. 18:16 - If you value freedom, that effect was not unknown when the wall came down.
Ed Lawn
Ed Lawn Ай бұрын
Well in "Goodbye, Lenin!" they were 'flocking' to the East, LOL, and the East Germans invented Coca-Cola!
Ozan 61
Ozan 61 7 ай бұрын
#niewiederSozialismus 🗽🇩🇪🇪🇺🕊
Al Martin
Al Martin 28 күн бұрын
Berlin Notes I don’t recall posting a comment here on this issue. My apologies if this is redundant. This presentation is very well done, as always, but seems slanted to follow the high-level events without really addressing the meaning, and primary issues of that conflict. There were citizens of every stripe, on both sides, engaged in these confrontations. I was fortunate (and honored) to serve under President Reagan as a Senior NCO in the US Army, stationed in the occupied city of West Berlin from 1981 to 1984. The Cold War was at its peak then, mostly as a clear confrontation between NATO (commercial west) and the Warsaw Pact (communist east). President Reagan made his first official visit to West Berlin in June of 1982 and spoke initially to those of us in the Allied military forces stationed there. This was long before his famous ‘Wall’ speech. Membership in NATO was formed from western allies voluntarily; France was excluded because they chose not to join at that time. Membership in Warsaw Pact was formed, and enforced by Soviet forces, in countries they invaded during World War II. Any country that tried to leave the Warsaw Pact because of freedom movements (East Germany (DDR) / Hungary / Czechoslovakia) faced violent suppression by the Soviet forces. The members of the Warsaw Pact were not the comrades as the PR often claim. It appeared similar events would happen in Poland during the 1980’s. We were able to see the evils of communism everyday in the DDR. Oftentimes in areas just across the street or closer. Escape attempts and bloody retribution were pretty common occurrences with blatant and often loud results. Everyone on that side suffered in some form or other from food shortages to constant brutality. I was attached to the Military Intelligence (MI) Detachment as an interrogator tasked with interviewing defectors (Border Guard / Military) and refugees (civilians) from all of the various Pact countries. They were fleeing similar oppression with many vivid stories of their own. We had an almost constant flow during my time there. We were especially concerned about events in Poland as the Solidarity Union disturbances were watched closely by the Soviet seniors. During one of my 1983 interviews with a Polish officer who had defected; I asked him what would happen if the Pact forces invaded Poland to suppress the activities… … would the Polish military fight or not. His answer was both humorous and cynical. He said: “Your question presents a very serious issue for Polish soldiers to answer; do we do our duty to the people and country by shooting Russians? Or do we enjoy ourselves by shooting Germans? No more invasions.” We were pretty certain something was coming soon by that time; just not sure if we would become radioactive dust or the Soviet Union would collapse. I am surprised it took until 1989 for the Wall to actually come down and it looks like modern day rioters are trying to put it back up. Regards
serdar
serdar 13 күн бұрын
East Germans had to wait for several years for a new car to become available. That reminds me a famous Soviet joke: A Russian guy wants to buy a car, apparatchik says: "OK you can have a new car. Pay for it now and you can collect it in 10 years from today." Russian guy asks: "Morning or afternoon?". Apparatchik: "why would that matter?" Russian guy: "the plumber is coming in the morning."
David Smith
David Smith 25 күн бұрын
Great video.
Srdjan Kuzmanovic
Srdjan Kuzmanovic Ай бұрын
Very important thing that helped the West German economy immensely was the money coming from the USA. On the other hand big chunk of East German GDP was going to Soviet Union as a war reparation. So it's not only the free market vs central planning.
L R
L R Ай бұрын
​@Neil Foster not really, in total the RuZZian ruled East Block had a huge economical potential, but it wasn't possible to thrive because of the flaws in communism. GDR was part of this running catastrophy, not a victim!
Neil Foster
Neil Foster Ай бұрын
Plus, most of the DDR's industrial capacity was also stripped by the USSR as war reparations too. That removed any chance for the DDR to produce things for both home consumption and export. That is a huge reason why the DDR was unable to grow it's economy.
Christine Tennick
Christine Tennick 9 күн бұрын
Freedom is always worth risking your life for,
Mark Taylor
Mark Taylor 28 күн бұрын
Thank you for the history lesson, everyone thinking socialism is great need nothing more than to watch this video.
Bill Olsen
Bill Olsen 23 күн бұрын
With that poison water coming out of the taps in government-provided apartment houses
Alex Clement
Alex Clement Ай бұрын
9:43: "It was a piece of West Germany within East Germany".. No, actually it was not. During the entire life of the DDR state, Westberlin (the way the East Germans spelled the name, BTW) was an occupied territory of Great Britain, France, and the United States. The Soviet Union 'relinquished' control of East Berlin in the early 50's, but still kept a very large military contingency on all sides of Westberlin. During this time, West German citizens who wished to avoid conscription could do so by moving to Westberlin, which was NOT under the control of the government in Bonn. Westberlin only became governed by the greater German state with reunification.
Current Batches
Current Batches Ай бұрын
@Alex Clement I was mistaken in reading your reply as an 'equivalence' between E and W Berlin. I see it is not. Entschuldigung.
Alex Clement
Alex Clement Ай бұрын
@Current Batches Citizens of Westberlin were usually citizens of West Germany, but not always; some decided to not take WEST German citizens, and thus became citizens of occupied Berlin, and had a passport which stated so. Speech limits varied by the laws of each sector, the French allowing almost anything, the U.S. similar, and the British having certain unique laws, such as not insulting the monarchy. Westberliners could cross into the east at the Friedrichstrasse customs station on the U-bahn, and generally had the same 1-day limitation which American visitors would have, unless they got themselves a travel visa. Travel to any communist nation was always a difficult, but not impossible endeavor, whereas travel to and around western nations was relatively easy. Travelling out of Westberlin was often accomplished by train from Friedrichstrasse in sealed trains for westerners, which had armed East German "Greppos" on board until the West German border. Automobiles were readily available for sale, and were shipped directly from the nations which built them; all highway freight destined to Westberlin had to travel through one of 3 autobahn corridors, with in-transit carnets and seals. As far as propaganda, I do not understand your question. I'm only posting the reality of the political situation during the entire occupation of Berlin, and they way things actually were every time I used to visit there.
Current Batches
Current Batches Ай бұрын
"...Westberlin (the way the East Germans spelled the name, BTW) was an occupied territory of Great Britain, France, and the United States..." Exactly how did the citizens of W. Berlin experience this "occupation'? Were they limited in their speech? Prevented (by the occupiers) from traveling to E. Berlin or to other nations? Did they have to wait for years to buy an automobile? More importantly, did you hope your position as a lefty propagandist would not be noticed?
Graz
Graz Ай бұрын
Beautiful video..
Ed Lawn
Ed Lawn Ай бұрын
I don't anyone denies that Capitalism can be bad, it's based on human nature and all that it entails, the good and the bad. The problem with Socialism and centrally-planned economies is that it denies certain aspects of human nature, which is why it can only be enforced via a Police State, as was the case in the DDR. Which is why we believe in the form of Capitalism called "Free Enterprise", which puts more Capital in the hands of the individual, as opposed to in the hands of a few "oligarchs", which is what is occurring more and more in the West these days.
strfltcmnd.
strfltcmnd. Ай бұрын
I grew up in the 60's and we were reminded of life under communism.
Suspicious Watermelon
Suspicious Watermelon 29 күн бұрын
I miss the DDR. I was a border guard there during the 80's. Nothing feels better than to waste a defector with a war surplus K98 mauser. I had 13 of them before I was forcibly retired in 1989.
Pete Jay
Pete Jay 10 күн бұрын
Not funny dude
Lorna Rettig
Lorna Rettig 14 күн бұрын
… and then everyone clapped? Grow up 🙄
Ryan Wissmann
Ryan Wissmann 21 күн бұрын
Nice to see one of these documentaries that isn’t completely simping for the commies
BigBenn
BigBenn Ай бұрын
Perhaps the WEF should watch this and learn the lesson and keep their noses out of everyone’s lives.
Hans Hartfiel
Hans Hartfiel 18 күн бұрын
Mr. Zitelmann fails to say that after over 30 years of unification the Germans are still not equals in their own country. Wages are lower in the former East, unemployment is much higher than in the West. The list of differences between the two parts is endless.
Pete Jay
Pete Jay 10 күн бұрын
And how is that West Germany's fault? The finger should be pointed to the Soviet union and the system that was forced upon Eastern Europe. That is exactly why the successor state of the Soviet Union, today's Russia should be paying those countries reparations for lost profit...
Nermin Hadzimejlic
Nermin Hadzimejlic Ай бұрын
"Behind the wall" - depends on which side you look from
Lorna Rettig
Lorna Rettig 14 күн бұрын
Yes. I know several people who grew up in east Germany, east Berlin, or Eastern Europe in general, and none of them thought their lives were dreadful, thank you very much.
Simon Gardiner
Simon Gardiner Ай бұрын
It is well attested that the DDR had THE HIGHEST STANDARD OF LIVING in the Communist block, including Russia. When we visited Moscow in 1989 - the shops were EMPTY and people had to QUEUE for bread! Only the Black Market operated, little businesses thrived, but you had to be very cunning and risk coming into conflict with organised crime - dangerous!
Steve Rossbach
Steve Rossbach 25 күн бұрын
Hungary was for east german people like a paradise. It was not allowed to drive to Hungary every year.
Simon Gardiner
Simon Gardiner 29 күн бұрын
@L R Well I SAW IT and it is true! Hungary had less efficient border guards and a long border making escape into the West much easier. But Hungary WAS very repressive, having been "revisited" by its "fraternal comrades" IN TANKS.
L R
L R Ай бұрын
I'm not sure if that's true. Hungary had a less oppressive system, which is why thousands fled that way to Austria. Economical they were better off as well.
Кирилл Надточий
Кирилл Надточий Ай бұрын
Нельзя забывать, что разделение Германии случилось из-за того, что так называемые союзники не захотели, чтобы Германия была мирной и нейтральной, только в ответ на выпуск западногерманской валюты и образование ФРГ возникла ГДР.
Philipp Garynov
Philipp Garynov 25 күн бұрын
@Steve Rossbach я как раз и живу в этом так называемом мире «свободы» и прекрасно вижу, какую чепуху тут несут местные СМИ. Возможно в эпоху холодной войны было иначе, но сейчас вообще никуда не годится - факты либо жестоко перевираются, либо просто замалчиваются. И к сожалению свободная рыночная экономика никак делу не помогает: кто за всё платит - тот и заказывает музыку 🤷🏻‍♂️
prajakt0789
prajakt0789 Ай бұрын
Yes missed another great war by a whisker.
Lev Teplitsky
Lev Teplitsky Ай бұрын
Ну, безусловно, они хотели, что бы Германия начала ещё одну войну.
Philipp Garynov
Philipp Garynov Ай бұрын
Об этом они конечно же никогда не скажут! Также они никогда не скажут, что сейчас по какой-то странной причине куча людей ностальгируют по этому "аду на земле" и тд и тп. Клише, та же пропаганда только в другую сторону и двойные стандарты - классический набор западных медиа //
ross
ross 5 күн бұрын
Sad thing was it made things worse in Germany at the time and started the Arib spring because they copied what was happening . Now we have lots of people running to other country's with no papers and no passport emigrants they are called
Dino Alberini
Dino Alberini Ай бұрын
That’s why Ukraine doesn’t want to be with Russia.
Dino Alberini
Dino Alberini Ай бұрын
@Pascal Gotlib the Eastern European states wanted to be in NATO precisely because they were under Russians. Your “if” is irrelevant, nobody wanted to attack Russia.
Sten Hård
Sten Hård Ай бұрын
You are confused about the status of West Berlin. It was NOT part of West Germany nor was it the Capital. It wasn't until unification (Not reunification) that it become part of Germany again. The title of capital came later when it was moved from Bonn.
Norman Boley
Norman Boley Ай бұрын
Danke für die infos und einen schönen tag.
Sten Hård
Sten Hård Ай бұрын
@Norman Boley Absolutely not! Berlin was explicitly excluded from the Constitution of West Germany. The laws were generally harmonized but only after they were passed by the Berlin Senate and approved by the allied occupation council. For example there was no draft in West Berlin because the Berlin Senate didn't approved it. Also no West German taxes because W. Berlin was NOT in W. Germany. So rather than just going backwards and forwards on what you think was the case you could just search some history then you won't just have my version which you don't seem to accept. Nice chatting tho!
Norman Boley
Norman Boley Ай бұрын
I was stationed at Tempelhof for 4 years. It was technically occupied by the US Army but I think Bonn was in full control of the day to day operation of the city.
Sten Hård
Sten Hård Ай бұрын
@Norman Boley The governing body was the Berlin Senate which derived its authority from the Allied Occupation Council minus the Russians who had withdrawn after the creation of the DDR. Berlin was de facto and de jure an occupied zone until Unification.
John Smith
John Smith Ай бұрын
This is the small picture, the big picture tells us that the Germans in east Germany were very lucky to be alive and not gassed in the same concentration camps they used for killing the Jews. Knowing Stalin, anybody would've expected all those Germans in east Germany to be killed as a revenge for the 20 million Russians killed by the German army. And not to forget the celebration and adoration of the furrier, whenever he occupied a new country.
John Smith
John Smith 29 күн бұрын
@L R of course, Stalin wasnt some vindictive dictator. Do your research bit more to find out how Churchill stopped him from doing that.
The American
The American Ай бұрын
We should have kept the American sector as American territory.
Murray Dean
Murray Dean 8 күн бұрын
0.59 is a very brief image of a London bus blown against a building in the City of London. I wonder how much of this video contains images from other countries or cities rather than images of the subject matter?
James Walker
James Walker Ай бұрын
Hmm….perhaps a slightly over simplistic view of how “great” capitalism is. The profit before people mentality makes me sick to my stomach 😢
Lorna Rettig
Lorna Rettig 14 күн бұрын
@Bill Olsen Yes and no - I went to government funded school, on public transport, on taxpayer-funded roads. When I’m sick I use the centralised health system, which has better outcomes than the US. I’m educated to PhD level and didn’t (personally, upfront at the time) pay for any of it. None of those basic human rights was supplied by capitalism. I make a very good living now and I’m happy to contribute taxes so that other young people have the same chance as me. And I don’t even have or want children. Capitalism is fine if we all start out on an even playing field, but unearned generational wealth ensures that we don’t. Capitalism should be meritocratic, but unearned generational wealth means it isn’t, because some people get a huge head start.
Bill Olsen
Bill Olsen 23 күн бұрын
Eventually you will learn how the real world has to work in order for a nation to prosper in this imperfect world. You've been living off of the benefits of capitalism all of your life. Ever visited an oligarch country? Try Mexico, for instance, and not the resorts. Working class held down by the upper classes and forced to live in slums without running water or electricity.
James Walker
James Walker Ай бұрын
@L R Certainly don’t disagree with you there. I just think it’s lost it’s way a bit, and unfortunately greed has run rampant and a lot of people get left behind in a system that seems to have become quite unfair. I’m wondering if countries like maybe Denmark and Norway have struck a happy balance? Again, I know no system is perfect, but the Nordic model does seem to make sure everyone can be looked after and have a decent life
Erik Griswold
Erik Griswold Ай бұрын
You haven’t lived until you’ve had an early morning in the GDR with the Lignite coal smoke and a still-cold-smoking Trabant passes you by.
L R
L R Ай бұрын
Did you experience the open fire placed at street corners, to help people navigate through the dense industrial smog? Simply unbelievable such happened
ChangesOneTim
ChangesOneTim Ай бұрын
...and light up a cigarette after breakfast on your way to work!🤣
Erik Griswold
Erik Griswold Ай бұрын
@Neil Foster First thing in the morning when they hadn’t warmed up it was quite a plume of blue smoke.
Neil Foster
Neil Foster Ай бұрын
I have a 1988 Trabi P 601 Kombi. If you mix the oil correctly and use decent oil, they hardly smoke at all. Early Trabis needed a higher oil mix, and I guess decent oil wasn't always available.
Rod
Rod Ай бұрын
We can tell they are speaking German, but why not let us see the translation, instead of covering it with a message announcing that we can't understand what they are saying?
Philip Buckley
Philip Buckley 29 күн бұрын
das ist ser gut.....danke...
CO CO
CO CO 28 күн бұрын
Dang, if life in east berlin was that bad then it must have been much worse in the rest of east germany. That place must have been a hotbed of espionage.
Lorna Rettig
Lorna Rettig 8 күн бұрын
@Jay Dan I know that. But it simply isn’t correct to assume or conclude that everything about Eastern Europe was dystopian and awful. It wasn’t. There were millions of normal people who had a perfectly nice life that they were very satisfied with.
Jay Dan
Jay Dan 8 күн бұрын
@Lorna Rettig they don't speak for all of them
Lorna Rettig
Lorna Rettig 14 күн бұрын
I know several people who grew up in east Berlin or east Germany or Eastern Europe in general, and none of them feel that their lives were dreadful. They were all perfectly happy growing up.
Minnie Fantasia
Minnie Fantasia Күн бұрын
Arhanghelul Mihail e patronul Berlinului că și în multe alte state și orase
Orion 59
Orion 59 26 күн бұрын
Who wouldn't?!
vranco
vranco 13 күн бұрын
W O W!
RUHappyATM
RUHappyATM Ай бұрын
Isn't that what Singapore did? HDB that looked the same. Very expensive to buy a car.
George
George 3 күн бұрын
And now it goes back to the east.
Carlo Torrina
Carlo Torrina Ай бұрын
Not enough!
Frank Morgan
Frank Morgan Ай бұрын
SO WHY ON THIS WORLD THERE're STILL SOME PEOPLE DEFFENDING COMMUNISM REGIMES ???? WHY ??? I lived in Berlin in 1988/89/90, I helped to destroy the Berlin Wall, hugged the Ost Berliners coming into West Berlin through Checkpoint Charlie, crying for their FREEDOM !!!
Bill Olsen
Bill Olsen 22 күн бұрын
@Frank Morgan Yup!
Frank Morgan
Frank Morgan 23 күн бұрын
@Bill Olsen Don't forget, their wives are outside in the cold, queuing up for bred and butter !
Pierre Flauss
Pierre Flauss 25 күн бұрын
Ludwig Ehrard never decided about the DM or the economic way ( decided by USA), he just support as oportunist, just for history.
Michael Gilbert
Michael Gilbert Ай бұрын
Ich weiss nicht is my answer for your closing question... ? Iggy Pop and David Bowie injected their bodies with heroin. Herr Marwell gave me a "nuggie" that pained my kopf for a good reason... He understood me as a 7th grade student some reminder as went forward ➕ good grade on my German Regents exam.
Fred Walker
Fred Walker 28 күн бұрын
Starting to look like America divided
Bill Olsen
Bill Olsen 23 күн бұрын
That's what happens when your schools produce more lawyers than anything else.
Srdjan Kuzmanovic
Srdjan Kuzmanovic Ай бұрын
I find this (kzbin.info/www/bejne/haqbdKWfr89-npY) point of view much better explaining the situation.
Rochester Johnny
Rochester Johnny Ай бұрын
the worst part of it all for East Berliners is you couldn't buy bananas anywhere
Simon H
Simon H Ай бұрын
@L R I know they were disgusting and hypocritical. One of the films I looked at ''Sonnenallee' kind of does romanticise it, the other one, ''Das Leben der Anderen'' shows it in all it's darkness. Unfortunately there is a thing in Germany called Ostalgie, nostalgia for the east. There's even a GDR hotel with all the paraphernalia in it, which doesn't sit right with me, if there was a 3rd Reich hotel with Hitler busts and swastika flags there would be uproar and rightly so. What concerns me is that if you dig into the current German chancellor Scholze's history he too went on regular trips to the GDR even though he was West German, and worked together with ''socialist'' youth groups. It's well known that Merkel was born into a family in the West which defected to the GDR when she was a toddler, and she was a high up member of communist organisations. As far as I'm concerned the last chancellor of Germany was Schroeder, I don't count those two, and the last good one was Kohl.
Simon H
Simon H Ай бұрын
@Ed Lawn Thanks for the tip, I've actually found that on yt in German. Also via the wiki entry I found another DDR film ''Sonnenallee''.
Simon H
Simon H Ай бұрын
@Ed Lawn I haven't seen that one yet. Thanks again.
Ed Lawn
Ed Lawn Ай бұрын
@Simon H That and "The Lives of Others".
Larry
Larry 7 күн бұрын
Levi's sold for a fortune
Roger McIntyre
Roger McIntyre 28 күн бұрын
I don't blame East Germans trying to go into West Germany!
David Kemplin Jr
David Kemplin Jr 28 күн бұрын
Under Russia we pretend to pay you and you pretend to work in America you go to party and Russia party go looking for you
dancalm peaceful
dancalm peaceful 29 күн бұрын
I have actual pieces of the Berlin Wall....I keep them as A REMINDER why Communism and Socialism is horrendous.
Moose Bme
Moose Bme 20 күн бұрын
"LET'S ALL JUST KEEP STANDING IN LINE, SERVING DOUCHEBAGS and waiting FOR THEIR GARBAGE... IT'S GOOD HUH?! JUST A FEW MORE YEARS! YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY, LIFES TOO SHORT! Because: Mocking, smiling, laughing, threatening, "Abject-Superior-Equality... " IS NEVER WRONG... !" Yep, eeeeverything is a mystery! Good luck and BEST REGARDS TO ALL!
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