Lily Orchard's 100+1 Writing 'Tips' | Team JYCT #32

[@laraprisma6381]

Regarding the part about abuse victims escaping abuse, it is very hypocritical that she implies that Zuko is a victim of abuse when she has demonstrated that she hates Hunter from the owl house who is ALSO a victim of abuse! I would say that Hunter is even more of a victim and even more redeemable than Zuko in the sense that he never caused wars or death, he only followed rules that limited the freedom of others because of of the lies told to him by Belos! Zuko participated in wars, Hunter never even hurt anyone and only did it because he thought he was doing something good. What I mean is, Hunter is much more innocent than Zuko! (Zuko is still a good character, I'm just pointing out her obvious hypocrisy.)

[@verdurite]

she doesn't hate hunter because he is a victim of abuse, she dislikes how much screentime he took from other (especially poc) characters, especially willow and gus who are forced to share episodes with him rather than getting more of their own

[@bigbadgammagnome]

@@verdurite so why doesn't she hate Zuko for "stealing" screentime from Katara and other poc characters in ATLA? Especially since Zuko got multiple episodes to himself, while Hunter still shared "his" episodes with other characters. It's just hypocrisy. Her point doesn't make any sense.

[@marionette8739]

You miss the obvious: "victims escaping abuse" describes her sister's relationship to her: she literally tried to groom her younger sister into an incestuous relationship and wrote the mlp fanfic "Stolkholm" where a big sis figure kidnaps, grooms, and rapes her underage little sister figure.

[@indigo1180]

@@bigbadgammagnome It’s cause Zuko is Asian, Asians are POC. (Not that I agree with Lily‘s reasoning for hating Hunter)

[@bigbadgammagnome]

@@indigo1180 I suppose I understand, but her reasoning seems to stem from POC being opressed, but in ATLA firebenders are the opressors. Narratively, she should hate Zuko by her own logic. Personally I find both characters compelling but neither were my faves from their respective shows so I'm not fussed, just pointing out how her argument doesn't make sense. But yeah I get what you're saying, its just hard to discuss since I dont get where Lily is coming from at all. She just seems contrarion

[@Kuudere_Fanboy]

Rule 25 feels like a Trojan horse argument. Not only doesn't she understand that sexualisation can also be part of themes or symbolism in stories like in kill la kill. But she also doesn't understand that it can be very important for people and characters to have sexual agency. And rule 26 is just sex-shaming.

[@ElectromagNick]

Ridiculously hypocritical considering all the shit Lily's written, including things involving _minors._

[@bluewolf6323]

Oh but remember dear friend... lLily hates anime with a passion. She only knows of anime through the cliche panty shots and boobs, sexualization of the main characters and men ogling at these figures, and that's her only field of reference...

[@bachilles3285]

​@@ElectromagNickAnd siblings. Don't forget siblings.

[@jonelrobinson7432]

@@bachilles3285 yep!

[@leoncritiques]

If there’s one word to describe the overarching issue with Lily Orchard’s writing advice, it would be the word “nuance.” None of Lily’s advice has any level of nuance to it. It’s all viewed from the exact same incredibly shallow perspective, and she thinks that if you don’t share that perspective you’re wrong and a terrible person. And that’s is deadly for creativity. There’s more than one way to write a story, and so long as it’s well written and abides by internal consistency, you’ll be fine. Also, thank you Twilight for explaining what a Nipper Zipper is. It was both enlightening and made me laugh my ass off

[@KaiserShounen]

Of course, because to her, nuance is the enemy. Nuance involves leaving yourself and your standards of quality vulnerable to other factors outside your control. Control is something Lily is thoroughly unwilling to give up.

[@jonelrobinson7432]

Exactly! she sees things in a black and white in point of view and never in the middle. People in movies and in stories can change.

[@TechnoArpan]

Not just that, it clearly reads as advice from a consumer, not a creator. Take Pixar's 22 rules and compare, easy to see the difference

[@Legacy_of_Yata-Garasu]

I really don’t get how Lily can view villains in such a black and white manner. For example as people said in the stream there’s Darth Vader, because he had a hand of the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, does that make him irredeemable? His descent into evil was a result of him effectively being groomed by Palpatine, and he only joined him because he thought that it would help him save Padme, of course there’s the fact that after he becomes Vader he gets corrupted by it’s power, but that doesn’t change the fact that we see him grieve and feel guilt over the actions that he has committed. Yes, Vader did some really bad stuff, but to quote Lucas “You learn that Darth Vader isn’t this monster. He’s a pathetic individual who made a pact with the Devil and lost. And he’s trapped. He’s a sad, pathetic character, not a big evil monster. I mean, he’s a monster in that he’s turned to the Dark Side and he’s serving a bad master and he’s into power and he’s lost a lot of his humanity (…) Only through the love of his children and the compassion of his children, who believe in him, even though he’s a monster, does he redeem himself." Anakin can’t be redeemed for all the pain that he's caused, but the point is that he doesn't right his wrongs, but rather he gives up all of his power and life when he chooses to kill Sidious, and stops all the evil he’s committing by doing so. On the opposite end of the spectrum we have Ghetsis from Pokémon. While he never kills anyone (as far as we know, but it is implied in regard to the alternate universe Ghetsis that he killed N) he is a completely irredeemable monster. The biggest reason is that he manipulates and effectively grooms N into unknowingly live his entire life in a lie by making him believe that trainers mistreat their pokemon. Once that plan fails and he’s eventually broken out of prison he shows zero concern over freezing an ENTIRE INHABITED CITY! On top of that he leads what’s called Neo Team Plasma, which is effectively a terrorist organization, and after all of this, he’s confronted by N during the climax of B2W2 and claims that if N had done what he had planned than he wouldn’t have to commit these insane actions effectively attempting to gaslight N. It is clearly shown that there is nothing but selfish desires that fuel Ghetsis is his plan to take over Unova, and he never once shows remorse for his actions, and is even willing to gaslight those that were close to him (N saw Ghetsis as his father) is what establishes him as an irredeemable monster. I think what’s important to take away from this is that what makes a villain redeemable isn’t whether they’ve killed 10,000 people like Lily claims, but rather by the villain choosing to sacrifice in order to atone for their past sins (By sacrifice, I mean just giving up something, not simply dying, but really giving up something that is of value to them). To put it simply, regret is not redemption, rather it comes through sacrifice.

[@CruelestChris]

I mean, when did Vader actually have a hand in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people? People tend to act like he has something to do with the Death Star firing, but that was Tarkin, Vader didn't give the order or pull the trigger.

[@Legacy_of_Yata-Garasu]

@@CruelestChris Perhaps I did over exaggerate in regards to that point. When I said that, I was moreover referring to how many people Vader must’ve killed when dealing with jedi, or when dealing with the many rebels throughout the galaxy, both before and during the OT.

[@arivibin3318]

GOD YES I LOVE THIS ANALYSIS COMPARING TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF VILLAINS!!! Okay so for me I love Vader alot and he's a wonderful take on a well meaninged person falling hard and needing a hand to help him pull himself out of the hole even if for but a moment to save his son whom he loves. Ghetsis on the other hand is Ozai like imo, both are pretty black and white when it comes to their morality and where I see people having issues with Ghetsis is how he takes the compelling conflict of Pokeballs Oppression and reveals it's all a sham he used to grasp power which while interesting leaves that conflict unaddressed even after Black and White 2. I myself am also kinda pissed about that fact but on his own, Ghetsis works as a force of unredeemable absolutely vile and inhumane Evil and he's a wonderful character for it. Where Vader was built by the setting and thus helped make his character arc stronger, Ghetsis is in a setting that's grey while he's black and white (haha pun) which is the issue I see with him. Also petition for Black and White 3 WE NEED TO SEE THAT GOD DAMN FUSED LEGENDARY DRAGON WHITE OR BLACK KYUREM DOESN'T COUNT GAME FREAK!!!!!!!!!

[@nickziegler1904]

What's really funny is that the big villains Lily has basically made her whole career railing against, the Diamonds from Steven Universe, are closer to a Vader than a Ghetsis but she's so blinded by her hatred for that show she basically made that rule as a subtweet to SU.

[@brandonlyon730]

Then there’s also characters like Vegeta from Dragon ball, whose original day job was to commit mass genocide on planetary scales, even blowing up a whole planet one screen in a filler just because he felt like it. He’s killed more then any human in history and yet he still gets a redemption arc that db fans praise to this day and remains a popular character.

[@michaeldorsey9231]

The “if you don’t have a character that represents x demographic, you’re a huge turd” points really seem to fall flat when you consider stories with small casts, or even just having one character period.

[@jerbear8884]

So to discuss her tips 25+26, are very sex shamey. This comes up more directly later in the list cuz she doesn't view awakening stories as valid arcs- which robs a number of people of their agency by not considering the fact that awakening stories are valid and don't have to be risque or charged. And to adlib the two writers video on this thread: this thread isn't about being progressive, it's about pushing this idea of a very specific relationship Lily believes correct. Which is a very narrow minded and possibly dangerous mindset to subscribe to cuz it's very "my way or the highway" And at the end of the day this thread can just be a handful of useful tips: don't do stereotypes and actually flesh out the characters, include all the important story details in the story, and write the story you wanna write.

[@MaceSpice]

Do not quote me on this, but I believe she was referring to Kylo Ren specifically with rule 33. Back when I was a fan of hers and she was talking about the Star Wars movies, one of her biggest complaints was that Rey's character got shafted in favor of focusing on Kylo. And then she did the same thing with her fanfic anyway so, like, whatever

[@Karxrida]

There's a super tiny grain of truth to the "all writers are pantsers" tip, but it lacks any nuisance. While I obviously can't speak for all writers, I imagine that even those who meticulously plot out their writing ahead of time come across situations where they are either forced to change their plans because they don't work out in practice or are somehow inspired by a new idea and alter things to compensate. This is especially true for long form storylines that take awhile to complete. Things aren't guaranteed to shape out how you'd expect. I think a much better way to phrase it would be "Be flexible and don't be afraid to change things when necessary. Sometimes pantsing is okay." Or something along those lines.

[@spoingelerboib]

Yeah totally, especially if you're writing for TV and have to deal with S&P censors a lot

[@rathraven1313]

Here's the three rules I've learned. One: Learn the rules of the genre. Two: Be entertaining. Three: As long as you follow the first two rules, you can say whatever you want.

[@kevscollectibels]

1:02:19 This is something that is so stupid in storys with resurrection as a possibility why would you want to risk a villain coming back stronger let's use DC Comics as an example would you want a mass murder like Joker to get a Black Lantern Ring which gives him the basic Lantern powers on top of what he already has? You also have villains who can just not die like The Spot in a recent comic was revealed to be unkillable after Carnage ripped him limb from limb he said he cannot be killed.

[@blueredlover1060]

On point 2, has she seen the Spy X Family community? We've got a couple that got together early in the story, but who still refuse to get romantically involved. Hell, we're still at a "will they, won't they" situation to present in the Web novel.

[@TitanXecutor]

Glad I watched the stream because I must say, most of these "tips" will not be helpful for me writing my story I'm working on. This comes off less as advice and more like belittling and insulting for anyone daring to think outside of her own headspace. I wrote a fanfiction for Fairy Tail 6 years ago and I don't consider myself an expert writer. In fact, looking back at it makes me cringe for the most part. But that's ok when writing silly fanfiction for a show you like when you were 17, but to put yourself on a writers pedestal because you wrote fanfics to licensed properties is just silly. Can't wait for part 2.

[@ctf_2fort152]

2:24:46 she's obviously talking about Demoman

[@MelralCT-]

If he was a bad Demoman, he wouldn't be sitting here discussing with us now would he? Btw I'm black and I'm not offended by the portrayal of Demo. Though at the same time I wouldn't exactly call him an "angry brute'

[@arivibin3318]

​@@MelralCT-I envy you, I love Demoman so much and indians don't get cool drunk explosive hunks of meat to represent us in the best meme simulator of all time 😭

[@donovanlocust1106]

​@@MelralCT-Demoman is fucking awesome (˃̣̣̥▽˂̣̣̥)

[@blueredlover1060]

On the "use x stereotype, you're bad" deal, stereotypes exist in the same domain as archetypical characters. There's some very bad stereotypes in the way that there's some really bad archetypes. The Mary Sue is an example of a bad archetype of character. While the not, black, brute is an example of a negative stereotype. She lacks the brainpower to sieve out a distinction between the two.

[@makito106]

3:20 start

[@jospwasp3504]

in regards to the D&D changes brought up around 1:35:00 i cant say much about art as i haven’t seen it but i think the reasoning behind removing the racial stats was to give them to backgrounds instead, to make characters shaped more by what they had done previously in their life before becoming an adventurer, than characters that are defined by their race. which by the way the term race in the new books has apparently been replaced by “species”

[@CelticPhoenix]

Oh I get their justification, I just disagree. The rolling of dice/point buy was what used to determine your character’s history, while the set values from race/species reflected your biological limitations and strengths. Removing that removes the ability to play into or out of racial stereotype in a mechanical way, and really that’s what gets me: the gradual removal of mechanical roleplay… the removal of the game in my Role Playing Game…

[@verdurite]

@@CelticPhoenix racial stereotypes are bad and incentivizing people to "play into" them only normalizes the concept that some people are born better or worse at certain things on a biological level, made worse in dnd since race gets used as an allegory for race in real life by both official settings and the average dnd player. Also races still have unique abilities, they just aren't predisposed to certain stats, making them for flexible for building characters

[@falxblade1352]

​@user-pi8pi3wj7h dnd races being allegorical to real life races is something I've rarely seen, and most of it comes from people arguing that to be the case. As for the first and last third of your comment, racial stereotypes (in dnd, it's more than a little despicable irl) are neutral and can either be leaned into or challenged (how many smart orcs have you seen?), and I also can't think of a race with a penalty severe enough that it limits what character fantasy you can play that much.

[@brycejordan8987]

@@CelticPhoenix I can understand your point about biological limitations and strengths as something you and others want to explore but I also find it worth considering the pros and cons as well as three last angles. I should note most of this is down to application and how we interpret that. Pros: Elves aren't humans and it can be fun to lean into their differences and explore that fully. Off the top of my mind, the ttrpgs that I feel did this best in my opinion are Burning Wheel & Fellowship. Cons: The reality is that most of the time elves, dwarves, orcs, are based on a culture or a combination of cultures or cultural subgroups and often times it leads to them being incredibly monoculture in nature compared to humans. Playing outside of racial stereotypes is largely punished which ultimately leads to many builds being very samey. While the stereotype of an elf makes a +2 Dex pretty unsurprising, others don't necessarily make as much sense. +2 Cha +1 Int for tieflings can sort of make sense but plenty of other approaches can make just as much sense. Angle 1: DnD 2024 rules still have mechanics that give specific boons to the various species/races. Tieflings are better for somebody that can cast still, halflings are still encouraged to hide which benefits the sneakier classes, dwarves are tankier and thrive in underground areas. Angle 2: Honestly you could remove all the mechanics for races and certain combos would still be popular. Dex Fighters, Rangers, and Wizard Elves would still be popular if only because people think Legolas or Drizzt. Draconic Sorcerer Dragonborn will still be popular because of the dragon enthusiasts. Dwarven fighters will still be popular because of Gimli. Heck, for all the multiple species and class combinations, Human Fighters from the limited data we have for 2014 DnD is the single handed most popular combination.

[@jospwasp3504]

⁠@@CelticPhoenix good point, i do like a character that has a downside ingrained into the mechanics. i guess i just never thought about that.

[@jlouisa]

For 'tip' 5: An example of this is when folk ask why Batman doesn't kill. I'm reminded of Batman Beyond, when in episode one where Bruce was backed into a corner by a thug and wasn't up to par as he was in his younger years. He rose a gun at the person and just the act of raising that gun made him give up being Batman because he had broke that vow he took when it comes to gun violence. When you have him kill you end up with the Frank Miller/ Zack Snyder Batman which is just not the best version of what Batman as a whole.

[@raikaschieck1634]

The fighting anime that rips womens cloths in fights is fairy tail. Also one pice sometimes. There are not so many fights of women in anime :D

[@Grf1556]

These writing “tips” provide a lot of really good insight into why listening to Lily talk about media is like listening to a blind person describing a painting.

[@MelralCT-]

2:20:08 Ik she hates anime but I'm sure she might really hate "That Time I got Reincarnated as a Slime"

[@theshire9173]

Hello, former Lily Orchard fan here. As many little girls did, I watched My Little Pony, which she made many videos for. I look back on those videos and realize how stupid they were. She advocated for beating up your bully. Certainly not good for my impressionable young mind. Glad I was able to grow out of that kids show and never look back. Although it’s perfectly fine if you like MLP, I just only realize as an adult how terrible bronies were.

[@rsj2877]

Yeah, that is a think, there are bronies who yake it too far and such, but that is just what come with any type of fandom ever. You can still like the original work and the fan related stuff around it still without shame, just that know that there will be bad apples in the bunch, just don't throw away the entire bucket, just sort out those bad apples.

[@Jaceblue04]

"I just only realize as an adult how terrible bronies were." Woah, don't you go saying we're all like Lily; we're not!

[@theshire9173]

@@Jaceblue04 I know not all bronies were bad, but many sexualized the characters, including the children, and didn’t hide that fact from the real children who watched the show. I feel I learned too much about fetishes at a young age. They also gatekept the show from the intended target audience because they didn’t want any children in their fandom for a kids show. Anyone who says to avoid the bad apples doesn’t realize that we were literally children, we don’t know who the bad apples are. Adult fans of kids shows should take extra effort to make sure child fans don’t follow those weird adult fans. But none of the “good” brony channels warned against those bad bronies or even cared that there was a child fandom they were corrupting at all

[@Jaceblue04]

@@theshire9173 So you acknowledge that we're not all like Lily, but you're gonna say we're all like Lily anyway? I'm at a loss for words.

[@theshire9173]

@ I never said you're all like Lily. I said that MANY (not all) shared weird fetishes with literal children like myself. I literally said "I know not all bronies were bad". Even my original comment said " it’s perfectly fine if you like MLP". Stop trying to blame me for being a mentally scarred child with your "not all bronies".

[@rossman8919]

I had this discussion about the manga "look back" where i was recommending it and suggested they should go in completely blind so the emotional impact still hits and they made that argument that i should just spoil it because if story good spoilers wont ruin it, i pressed on that they should trust me and an hour later messaged me back saying i was right, so my point im making is everyone go read "look back" right now or wait to watch the movie

[@rossman8919]

Using ice cubes character in friday is a bad example since he wasnt a brute he was the logical one surrounded by others peoples BS, the only black brute was the guy he fights at the end

[@undercookedtoast1479]

Hes also not the only black character in the story. Lily’s mindset is flawed in that a black character that has those traits and so happens to be the only black character in the story can still have depth and nuance beyond those traits. Like bro said “anyone can fit into any stereotype, people are human beings” By simplifying a character down to specific traits and refusing to recognize the possibility of nuance Lily falls into the very racism shes trying to avoid.

[@libraeevee9467]

The video’s still up! :D

[@mr.namelesspurposelessthe7249]

If anyone wants more clarification on her background, look up Courtney Peet. She is her sister and provides all the context. Massive trigger warning. 🚩🚩🚩

[@smile-tl9in]

You mean her version of the context. Lily showed screenshots of the vile vicious being that is her sister.

[@donovanlocust1106]

​@@smile-tl9inimagine defending Lily Orchard

[@smile-tl9in]

@@donovanlocust1106 Imagine bashing someone without checking

[@donovanlocust1106]

@@smile-tl9in I've checked lol

[@smile-tl9in]

@@donovanlocust1106 no you didn't. It shows lmao

[@watchface6836]

I'm going on a business trip soon so I'm not sure if I can catch the next Writing Tips reaction stream, but I want to comment on an upcoming 'Tip' from Lily. Tip #62, Zeon has entered the chat.'

[@Fleur-x6f]

Okay, I've read her writing advice on DeviantArt (cudos to that guy who put it there.) I find her tips baffling as she always write tips on Romance, abuse, evil being killed by heroes(understanble but heroes are suppose to be better than villains) and LGBTQ. Number 66 is basically Renora, 96 means she agrees on either monarchy or dictatorship (guess she'll vote for trump then cause he agrees to christian extremists who want to fuse church and state) and 100 is the most funny cause it's hypocrisy (if that's what it is) but never about bullied people or people in other countries. I guess being bullied is also abuse but does that mean target of bullying can do bad things too? If applied to real life I'm a target of bullying during my school days but I didn't do bad things. Also, again about heroes killing villains why is killing her only way to solve it? I understand they'll kill more people if spared but prisons and rehab exists for a reason. It's like she agreed on oplan tokhang that happened here during Duterte's rule as president where he'll kill every drug addicts in six months. He never achieved it but they used it as justification for killing. They're addicts so they must die. Forget the rehab. And it's not just the police who did. Even random civilians who have guns did and they cant be captured because they're wearing helmets therefore they can't be recognized. I know I'm applying a real life example but it makes me think she likes it not just in fiction but IRL. It's just my opinion. Feel free to correct me and stuff. Xiao Long! And have a good day.

[@makito106]

What are the chances you upload these streams to spotify. I would love to listen to these while driving

[@KittyBGaming]

I thought number 7 was about vivziepop because to know anything deep, you have to watch a billion other things when the info should just be in the show

[@agramuglia]

I have come to this video after completing early work on a video responding to Lily's writing tips for this week. I don't have any memory of criticizing you for the length of your response to my video. I find it a little absurd how you are calling me a terrible person without principles, but i also am not going to tell you that you can't say that. Nor am I entirely unwilling to respond to criticism.

[@CelticPhoenix]

I am going to preface this by saying that I am fully open to having a sit-down conversation with you about your video and your views on media. I think it'd be an interesting, entertaining, and educational talk for everyone involved, and as a show of good faith I'm more than open to doing so on your terms regarding the format (within reason). That being said, your criticism of our stream length came from a tweet of yours commenting on our two streams: "No idea who Celtic Phoenix is, but apparently they've made two streams regarding my content, so that's cool, I guess. 8 and a half hours in about a week. Glad you're entertained." Coupled with your previous criticism of other long-form content creators, such as Mauler, and the fact that you had me blocked before we ever interacted, I hope its understandable that it left a sour note. If it was genuine well wishes, I apologize for the miscommunication. As to the "terrible person without principles", I cannot speak on behalf of my cohosts. However, if it was a comment of _mine,_ it would no doubt be in relation to the broad brush you painted those you covered with as criminal, by referencing 3 people you were _not_ discussing (such as Nick Rekeita) and claiming that _half_ the people you _were_ discussing were guilty of similar, if not worse, crimes. I found that to be a gross case of defamation against the 11(?) people you covered, and a sever lack of decorum as a content creator. If you have made a public apology in the intervening time, I have not seen it, and I will not hesitate to call you unprincipled until I have. I hope that is understandable as well, and that it is fully within your power to rectify at any time. And finally, to your unwillingness to respond to criticism. Color me confused, because I openly expressed the willingness to sit down with you and talk about your video on Twitter, and you responded to that Tweet so I know you saw it. Then, probably only a few hours later, you tweeted out the following: "This is just a general statement: i see no value in a debate unless it's with friends. Because debates between adversaries always ends with someone shouting over the other and no one listening. So if you are begging me to go on your stream just to debate, i see no benefit to it." I hope the optics of this are not lost on you, that this came across as a flat rejection of any offer of discussion I had for you. If I was wrong, I'd appreciate a clarification. Hopefully these have addressed why we have discussed you the way we have until now. However, I am always one to give benefit of the doubt; I leave my door open to you, I would be more than happy to sit down and talk with you about your views on media.

[@agramuglia]

@@CelticPhoenix i am glad for your good faith response. In regards to the tweet, that explains why i have no memory of it. I probably just saw it existed and moved on. I don't personally see that response of mine as particularly spiteful, but I also understand words can have a lot of unintended effects. As for blocking you on Twitter, you probably got caught up in a chain block i ran after getting doxxed in 2020-ish. A lot of people got caught up in that who I never interacted with. As for that second tweet, i have no memory of the context surrounding it, but for awhile I got so many challenges of a debate or was being encouraged to debate, say, Lily Orchard, that the statement probably had less to do with you and more to do with anyone else. Or that could have been the week I saw the Young Earth theorist debate an archeologist. I have no clue. That said, i find most often debates do end up dissolving into angry yelling, which i find unproductive. The only terms i would ever want for a debate is that both parties come to it from a place of mutual respect for the other's opinions in good faith. I also think you took my words a little too literally there. The only people i accused in that video of a crime were Rekieta and Jon del Arroz by showing their police reports. That I do not apologize for, because i believe the crimes they committed are horrendous and they deserve to be held accountable. But they're also seeing due process, so i don't see that as controversial. Additionally, my criticism isn't of long commentary. It's of unnecessarily long commentary. As you put it yourself, you had several hosta and everyone wanted to say something. I am someone very conscious of saying too much and try to exercise concision where possible. But if you want to genuinely discuss my ideas and it's all in good natured criticism, i wouldn't say no.

[@CelticPhoenix]

Bygones being bygones, I'll chalk the Twitter stuff up to misunderstandings and call it water under the bridge. And generally, I see debates that way as well, I'm much more in the realm of having conversations to try and understand each other's points of views. Sometimes those cans _still_ get heated... but that's just human communication at that point. As to the criminal stuff, I don't contest the things currently out against Rekieta or Jon del Arroz, beyond simply saying "We'll see how the cases pan out in court." That's not what I take issue with. What I take issue with is the fact you juxtaposed their alleged crimes, which have documented evidence, with the statement "If we look into the accusations made against half the people I've covered, we'd be here all day." Without specifying who you were talking about, you have just implicated half the people in that video of committing crimes on the level of Rekieta and Arroz. Considering you had not and ultimately did not cover Rekieta and Arroz, that means of the 11(? I really need to check) people, half of those have fallen foul of _serious_ allegations, and you present such as factually true with zero evidence. _That_ is what I take the most serious issue with, that is what is controversial. But yes, I am still open to having a discussion with you. What would be the easiest way to get in touch with you so we can try and arrange something?

[@agramuglia]

@@CelticPhoenix you are half right regarding who i covered. I did cover Arroz in that video. As for future conversations, i have a business email attached to this account

[@CelticPhoenix]

I'll reach out to you soon ^_^

[@professorsquid1104]

You are so right about Lily hating her audience. I’ve heard from multiple people that once looked up to her, only to get verbally disemboweled when they asked simple, innocent questions

[@gacheevee3142]

2:31:58 is that Hunter from Owl house

[@MasquedMocha]

billy donuts: exists team jyct: 34:35 "i got spoiled on death note and it ruined my enjoyment of it" *proceeds to spoil it for everyone watching who hasnt seen death note* 1:46:14 OMG YES!! THATS WHAT IM SAYING!! the fact that we let those bastards keep the symbol that they STOLE is just letting them keep power and presence even after they've long since been taken down. im so glad someone finally said it

[@Fatboyftw32]

Wanna do a deep dive on #10 because I don't think she meant: "Stories can't have racism" I think what she means (And I could be wrong, it's Lily Orchard, she could just be that dumb) is more so something like the Final Fantasy 16 situation where they explained that only white people showed up because "The story was rooted in reality and it's based on Midievil Europe" and "It would've been too weird to have too many different races on one landmass" like what are you talking about, that's not even correct, there were multiple races in Europe lmao. Like the actual reason was definitely that they're a Japanese company (And I say Japanese company not because a western company wouldn't, but just because the Japanese doesn't have the same relation to race as us in the west, so things tend to be very in their own experiences which while not entirely bereft of racial diversity, is just not as big of a thing) so they most likely didn't think about that (Which is fine honestly), and then later they had to try to think of a reason and tried to explain it away with world building. If she means THAT, then I actually agree with it. Not even that I'm saying you have to have a wealth of races in every story, but that's some flimsy ass reasoning and some creators do just do that and expect to get away with it.

[@brycejordan8987]

Some of her writing tips can have kernels of truth but I feel like this is sort of true on several fronts. - Your point is truly the case in certain situations. - Lily is absolutely the type of person that will go "if you present something than you are evil" and here reads will be comically bizarre stuff. A character is a fascist proud boy because... I don't know I guess they are blond? I will of course note that 10 I think has a risk in that works of fiction are complicated. A creator can put something in for a deep reason or it can be surface level without much thought and then people will come and interpret it similarly and differently. Furthermore, many stories are a composite effort. Even a book will typically have an editor and publisher that impact the book to some degree and audiences might impact the author. Swapping over to tv shows, you have multiple different writers, animators or fx artists and directors and so on.

[@raikaschieck1634]

Jenna Morecis "The saviors champion" is comming

[@soschar2050]

"Villain Protagonist", one example I can think of is Light Yagami from Death Note. The idea here being that the main POV is not one of the good guys, but a villain, and it's THEIR story being told.

[@amber_rose2]

What did lily do this time

[@nilge90]

2:31:30 rule 24 is clearly Hunter from the Owl House she hates him for being a white boy with screentime.

[@Hashbrown1682]

Ahhh Catadora Bumblebee before bumblebee happened

[@dyllan1001]

Wow lily does have some really bad takes as always if wanna do a lily video I would love a respksne to bhallspawn with josh scorcher debunking lily takes on tf2

[@MissYoonyul]

1:10:17 im so tired of this take, ppl still act like BL and Yaoi aren’t at the front page of every webtoon plateform nor have the biggest booth in manga convention in an age were heartstopper is in a front page of netflix while shows featuring lesbians are cancelled. Western animation is like the only moment were GL is more prevalent and yet you hear those takes everywhere. Update your opinions sometimes

[@Hashbrown1682]

Huh.... The Mention of efap... A surprise to be sure But a welcome one

[@CruelestChris]

Celtic was _on_ EFAP once, when Fatman was having that weird beef with Mauler. People liked him.

[@Hashbrown1682]

@@CruelestChris ohhhhh. Welp time to go into the archives to find that. Did he hop on the show or was on chat?

[@CruelestChris]

@@Hashbrown1682 Episode 51. He joins the call after they're done watching the video.

[@Hashbrown1682]

@CruelestChris oooooohhhh that explains why I missed it I missed that anniversary stream Thanks for the info

[@SuperEasywalker]

From what I’ve researched on the subject of the Sw@stik@ and certainly the symbol had a different meaning before the N@zi appropriate for their cause and still have alternate meaning in some religious circle, yet I don’t think your aggressive response was unnecessary. Granted I don’t know all of your backstories given how you said “Westerners” comment or the fact which country, you consider, west or east; yet I know for sure the west wasn’t the only one affected by said symbol like those in the Eastern continent and marginalized communities. Also you do need to acknowledge why the symbol is a point of discontent in the first place, for obvious reason of course, that makes it hard to “peel off”, as you said, that still have its effect today by most hated group. So far what does reclaiming this symbol has to do with you unless you a part of said religious group like Hinduism. The tend of Reclaiming Slurs, as of yet, isn’t unanimous or consistent given some individuals are hesitant for personal reasons, but to descibe why people are angry at that symbol because they are “sensitive” is the wrong approach.

[@maxodonnell6092]

Her pokemon takes are crazy. She thinks blue is the best rivals and is freinds with you. But she hates sliver and calls him emo. She also admits she never did his storyline She never does alot of storylines and so gets mad at characters and hates them. She also ignores storylines

[@VooshSpokesman]

Love from a WeAreNotAlive and Vaush fan!

[@n-riv8101]

In regards to the whole “sexualizing minors” thing, I personally believe that none of it is wrong until REAL children get involved, when it comes to anime it’s always DRAWINGS, FAKE children, no real children are being harmed. You guys talked before about how somebody who goes and whips black people cuz of orcs was going to do that anyway, I would argue the same thing with lolis, loli hentai doesn’t create pedophiles, they were already a pedophile to being with, but again I wouldn’t actually say pedophilia until REAL children are involved.

[@verdurite]

it may not be legally wrong if real children aren't involved but it is very strange to justify sexualizing minors based on it being fictional, especially when people absolutely base their moral compasses on fiction. If an adult is only attracted to fictional minors, I think it is fair to see that as a red flag, because what is the thing they are attracted to based on? This also ignores how people's world views can be informed by fiction, otherwise propaganda wouldn't work

[@n-riv8101]

@@verdurite the thing is a normal person can separate fiction from reality, O understand what you mean with propaganda but if a person commits a vile act based not their media then there is something wrong with that person not the media, do you believe video games cause violence? Fiction is not real, it is overblown, I’ve enjoyed non-vanilla hentai but I wouldn’t want to see a real person go through that stuff. Also most minors in anime especially don’t always look like how real teenagers do, I am willing to agree if somebody ONLY gets off to things like lolicon then that’s a red flag, but even then I wouldn’t call the police until a real child is potentially in danger because at the end of the day they are not hurting anybody with just lolicon

[@CruelestChris]

@user-pi8pi3wj7h The thing with that argument is that...KZbin bots, we'll just call it "the stuff." Ok, so the real _stuff_ is bad because in order to possess it a terrible crime has to be committed against a real person. Similar to buying a car you know is stolen, you didn't commit the crime but the crime had to be committed for you to receive the results of it. With a drawing, there is no real person and there is no crime. I don't think it's something anyone should be proud of, but I don't see a justification for a government becoming involved in protecting ink on paper, _unless_ it's clear that person is already a threat. IIRC, that's how laws against drawn _stuff_ tend to be used, police find a previous owner of _the stuff_ is in possession of drawn _stuff_ and take it as them going back to their old ways. The argument you're making also falls apart if it's applied to anything else: surely it would also mean that if I like playing _Grand Theft Auto_ I'm partial to the idea of stealing cars in real life?

[@IamEscBoy]

i remember when i was 13-16 i used to love his videos, then i slowly realized that he only had 1 good point and the rest of what he said was actually vile trash

[@weaver7811]

I can't believe I'm about to defend Lily Orchard, but I feel like rule 10 is referencing bigoted story decisions that aren't there to be challenged. I think this is just a different way of wording her 'If you refuse to put black people in your story because time period/geography so on" complaint from later on. Like the cringy 'House elves actually LOVE to be servants' thing from Harry Potter that's played off as just world building.

[@Hashbrown1682]

The annoying thing with batman is that he goes out of his way to save joker. Like batman doesn't need to kill joker, let redhood do it. But no batman got to keep him alive and it's stupid

[@jtreview7506]

The issue with Batman and all comics is that they are comics, the joker can’t be killed usually because they have to bring him back for future issues, even characters that are rarely ever seen don’t usually get killed off in case they need to bring them back. Joker can die in spin offs or alternate universes sure, but not permanently in the main ongoing cannon.

[@smile-tl9in]

...Those writing tips are not all serious. You ought to be better than this

[@yugotokusatsu289]

That inconsistancy is annoying, how do we set the jokes apart from the actual writing tips? And since about half of these are not actually writing advice calling this 101 tips is a complete lie.

[@anneoneal3865]

The "just a joke bro" defense? Really now?

[@CruelestChris]

Hi Lily

[@smile-tl9in]

@@yugotokusatsu289 a lot of what was said are mentionned in other videos. Either things said seriously, or that she mentionned her stalkers actually said.

[@smile-tl9in]

@@anneoneal3865 a lot of those tips are things she joked about in other video, or complained about in other videos. So yes

[@beaniebean4885]

1:55:50 I'm sorry I do not like any of your comments about this tip at all. Children should not be sexualized to fit a "demographic" period. I would say it's only ok to do so if it's in service of the story the author is telling. And even then it could be shown incorrectly (like in Euphoria).