[Limbus Company] Status Archetypes Current State | Season 4 Report

[@MagnetAlpha]

Addition for Zwei Ishmael: I didn't think she'd be so tremor focused, but she ends up being a strong option for the archetype, able to burst tremor an insane amount of times in a rotation, as well as inflict very high potency over a few turns. Compared to LCCB, she's better in every way, except quick tremor infliction, since LCCB inflicts 32/8 in 2 turns, while Zwei can inflict 40 potency but over a 6 skill rotation. Also LCCB has 5 Fragile but that's a niche setup. I'd put Zwei in my team instead for the insane utility and sheer number of Tremor bursts, and she might be even more relevant for future content, notably Chain Battles.

[@monochrome4937]

The irony of Rupture bros starving for good supports when their corresponding sin is Gluttony

[@555Soupy555]

gluttony skill 3s almost across the board

[@pickle1964]

they keep eating up their own count :(

[@april-2nd]

i swear gluttony is the hardest sin to get in so many teams

[@edgieststalker8141]

​@@april-2nd no joke tremor teams are very efficient at generating gluttony for some reason

[@infamousshadow2]

​@@april-2ndoh good, im not the only one with that problem

[@weferin]

Hod (Bleed) fans rejoice!

[@wanabenecro5390]

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD HOD

[@dumbino7745]

Rupture fans crawling on the floor utterly famished rn(it's me. I'm that Rupture fan.) Hopefully season 5 has rupture as its other focus status, since PM seems set on the rhythm of each season mainly being dominated by 2 statuses ever since season 2. Bleed is almost certainly going to be a focus in season 5 for obvious reasons for those in the know, so I'm crossing my fingers hoping Rupture won't play the bridesmaid for another season yet again.

[@sigmor455]

Stay strong rupture bro, our time will come. Prob won't be next season though - I'm expecting it to be bleed/burn purely cause of the setting. Maybe we at least get devyat Greg or smth on one of the general banners

[@denniselkin1195]

I'm actually thinking rupture/burn. Depending on how involved bloodfiends are, and how Cassetti responded to bleed, I think bleed might wind up being actively detrimental. Plus, season 3 was already bleed-focused.

[@SiriusFrostalite]

Same. As optimist I believe she's useful with talisman Clair support. But I do want very reliable count outside Lattern Don.

[@7826p]

The rupture cult is realll!!!

[@HeathcliffLCB]

I, Wild Hunt Heathcliff am a rupture supporter.

[@Smis1337]

Fun fact: Bygone Days Yi Sang is a mini rimeshank in terms of count infliction* Since it can inflict 15 sinking, individually, with Echoes of the Manor, you have 15 50%s to inflict count too, on average getting 7-8 count. Useful tech I wanted to share from Sivavis on yt

[@alexanderartaza2173]

Yeah, it does that because it inflicts 1 sinking 6 times, and echoes of the manor makes it so there is a chance of getting sinking count when getting sinking potency

[@ЖурумбаевМираль]

I think pm kinda messed up with rupture and now doesn't know what to do with it, because if they'll make it easy to stack every other status would be powercreapt by rupture, simply because rupture is the stongest effect in the game. Unlike for example sinking which have some downsides against enemies with minus coins and gloom resistance, rupture doesn't have objective flaws, so they can't just give it a wild count applier like ring ids. Imo rupture needs rework or capping at 30-40 potency and only when receiving support

[@ubaidaqeel386]

I'm gonna throw something at the wall and maybe suggest an ID that becomes super powered by consuming a certain amount of rupture, becoming way better in certain aspects It probably isn't good, but yeah, I love rupture and wish I could be peak in story

[@7826p]

I gotta agree with your take bedause the fact that rupture cant be halfed but neither doubles makes it somewhat consitent in terms of damage output

[@aisir3725]

Sinking is literally rupture but easy to stack rn

[@foxwhite25]

​@@ubaidaqeel386That still don't change the fact that rupture is essentially true damage, if that id is weaker than rupture itself than it's useless, if it's more powerful than rupture it just powercrept even more, which does not solve the problem

[@foxwhite25]

Either they need to nerf rupture or buff other effect to the point that they can compete with fully stackable rupture

[@ashgrun]

season 5 really said "oh, bleed needs a buff? i got you. *procedes to release at minimum 3 bleed ID's, and 4 bleed EGO's* "

[@odbp1112]

CURSE FANS ARE EATING!

[@drskull.]

I think that Both Multicrack ids really support Envy teams actually! Both having really good envy support and inflicting envy vulnerability

[@TheRovingPunster]

The solution to bleeds potency problem is running double kk support + rcliff. The issue is that with the 10 coin/turn content PM gives us, you are currently priced into hooklu to supplement double ring + nfaust, and contempt awe is needed in order to beat pecca fights in 2-3 turns. However, just keep an eye for if we ever get the proper support to let us bench both units

[@MarlonMolina-x2i]

I'm curious, don't play bleed build since I don't have the IDs but what would you think of a second status that inflict bleed potency damage every turn by status count, something like hemorrhage or hemophilia?

[@nemnemmen]

​@@MarlonMolina-x2i or maybe some kind of bleed deluge that burst when enemies staggered with 40 or 60 cap dmg like liu rodion would also be nice

[@covid19sama]

I unironically use NSault on my bleed team since he rolls pretty consistently with Regret and inflicts both a pretty good amount of nails and a plethora of other good debuffs for the Ring IDs to benefit from. I prefer using him over Rhino because Rhino spends most of his time ramping up

[@MagnetAlpha]

I love NSault but I can't in any good conscience recommend him. His skill 1 is insanely bad, and yeah he rolls ok with Regret, but then Rhino with Regret is even higher, so, well... Being at 50% less HP is annoying already as well, but you also need 4 Wrath for passive. Nails infliction is his only really good thing, but I'd have loved even 1 bleed or nail on skill 1. I really hope Upfix 5 makes hims really good, if (but rather when) it happens.

[@Krivoruchka]

Suprisingly rupture has quite a lot of variety of play despite not receiving much of anything. Main one you already described: boss shreder talisman turn 2 resets. Second is talisman support gluttony res team. Third doesn't even use talisman and just gets by with ego passives. Also I saw so many people shit on W Yi Sang, who you described as a staple and needs to be put on all teams. I myself think Devyat Rodya is stupid good while most people think she's mid for rupture, she's basicly 7 Faust 2.0 with a couple of diffrences. So yeah rupture is alive and well despite people's perception of it.

[@BigVisX]

Watch Zwei West Ishmael invalidate the video because you couldn't wait for the last ID of Season 4

[@wifiwodhyde]

Bro thinks hes Esgoo

[@Mikairium]

from what we know of zwei i think that wont be too much of a problem since they're basically just generalist tank ids

[@azeria1]

​@@MikairiumRemember it's west zwei everyone else has been south I could easily see it having something special

[@zeca8191]

she's gonna be poise, watch

[@BigVisX]

Welcome back Zwei Rodion

[@Funonbinary]

Half the comments are rupture sufferers...im kinda really enjoying it rn talisman clair support passive is insane for potency and let's you go all in on count with skills. 15-3 is not that hard to get for devy rody too The thing imo is that you never get to high count levels but i see it as a part of the archetype, i'd like to see 1-1 ID-EGO to make it on par with the strong archetypes but that's it, not big reworks or a new team. I think it would be more interesting if they keep going with this units like red eyes ryoshu that have functiolanilty with bleed and charge (as seen in the video it fits in both), i think PM were trying to aim for that with a lot of early units and failed hard, but they are getting it now

[@Mikairium]

sadly red eyes kinda work better as charge healer (i dont really count her as support since she brings nothing to the table except heals) rather than bleed potency support. she inflicts 0 count and around 6 bleed max per skill. shes more like "a charge unit with a side dish of bleed".

[@Funonbinary]

@@Mikairium it is true she doesn't feed bleed that much but enjoys it a lot and maybe these in betweens could mean more hybrid teams at some point

[@itsRetroRocket]

You can actually try deyvat rodion on bleed, bleed generally only needs 1 non count draining turn to finish a fight (stagger or Sanguine), and double ringsang basically fixes your bleed count forever

[@MagnetAlpha]

I like the idea, I'll probably try it at some point, thx. Though you have limited time to benefit from Sanguine Desire, which slightly defeats the purpose (and you need time to get the sins for it as well)

[@ranninotfromeldenring2832]

sanguines purpose is actually to build bleed starting from very low or none

[@MagnetAlpha]

@@ranninotfromeldenring2832 Technically it can be both since it has very high damage from bleed. But I agree it's good for setup. It requiring 10 sins is still a problem though if you want to use it early, if you're not in MD or RR.

[@boxtupos7718]

I actually like slotting in Liu Rodion in Bleed teams, because her S2 give Burn Count; Which helps the Ring IDs with their debuff conditionals, burn is great because it only goes away after a round ends. Also because, unlike her Bleed Ids, Liu Rodion isn't actual dogshit. And you kinda want to run her, because she has the best fucking EGO for bleed

[@peteromg9292]

Rupture has this problem of being *true damage* it can't have too much support otherwise it would be the undisputed number 1 archetype to run, and there would be no hope for others it's just sad, man

[@odbp1112]

Rupture fans are starving!

[@tepig2828]

Surprised you didn’t mention how Liu Rodya is one of the best bleed units because she has really good fuel for Sanguine Desire and her burn helps the Ring IDs with their bleed count application.

[@Gr3n1nja05]

He forgot to mention pequod first man yi sang ID for the bloise id,he was the best bleed id for yisang before the new finger id,since he could re-roll his second coin of his second skill up to 3 times and could inflict +6 bleed count in his third skill on crit,making him one of the best in terms od bleed count

[@licheastwood7135]

Ngl, out of Liu Gregor and Liu Meursault I get neither and use Middle Meursault instead, because his numbers don't suck(why Liu Meur has 11 rolling S2, why) while also being able to utilise Capote better(why Liu Meur has his S3 be *pierce*/wrath, not blunt/wrath?) Also Envy Power Up from Middle Meur's S2 is quite nice in that team due to it having some pretty good Envy skills

[@keinkanal7382]

I want to say that a Bloise team is actually icnredibly viable in MD as you only need 4 Bloise IDs and then a pure poise and pure bleed ID to take advantage of both fused ego gifts. Personally I like running Pirate greg and the pequods as the bloise IDs, with Maid Ryo as pure poise and hook lu as pure bleed. its honestly a terrific combination when it comes to dealing damage and winning clashes even on the 5th floor with multiple offense level or clash power up conditions taken

[@lionbatlionbat1258]

i prefer kim instead of maid ryoshu and ring yi sang instead of hong lu though

[@keinkanal7382]

@@lionbatlionbat1258 Kim really doesn't do the same amount of damage compared to maid, and I use ring already in my pure bleed team, and i rotate my teams for maximum starlight gain

[@lionbatlionbat1258]

@@keinkanal7382 yea but i thought at this point we shouldve maxxed out starlight already, and i love seeing 2-3k per bones as well hehe

[@chukathesalad7639]

If we talk about gamedesign and not strenght of archetype, then PM fixed tremor with addition of rainbow tremor and killed with Hong Lu EGO. It so stupid and sad, that they give most comfortable type of applying to the most powerfull type of tremor....

[@QWERTY-_-WASD]

its funny how the 6th bis for burn is not a burn id but is middle mersault

[@matt4200]

100 years later Sanguine Desire… got a good Bleed option

[@zephekiel_tenma]

I think that this video aged poorly for Rupture specifically; nothing changed much -- only Cinqsault got added (if we're not counting Fanghunt Hong Lu as a viable and good rupture ID) that helps the comp... and that 1 addition really makes the comp viable once more However, his addition just marks that there's now 2 ID's that can consistently use their 2-3 Coin Skills and not consume count... and the fact that the playbook for rupture w/ benched sheetclair is really, really good Now, a modern rupture team consists of; 9Rodya and MeatDon as the core, Cinqsault as main backup, and 1-2 more ID's that have a Gluttony Defense Skill... they don't even need to do damage, they just have to be green... Even in death, sheetclair carries rupture 😂

[@cereal8193]

unbenched sheetclair is viable too

[@zoraz8255]

Devyat Rodya is all Rupturebros 9/11

[@7826p]

The equivalent of the fall of the roman empire 😢

[@cereal8193]

no

[@joshnzua]

cant wait for you to remake this video after season 5 and burn is going to stay the exact same

[@LongNguyen-cz5ty]

4:36 bro forgot about ring yi sang in burn team. Ring yi sang should be everywhere in this vid.

[@Dan-The-First]

I mean your not wrong but he's mainly a bleed unit so him just being in Bleed is fine

[@LongNguyen-cz5ty]

@@Dan-The-First I know. It’s just that the other 3 liu ids are so bad that it would be much better to put ring yi sang there.

[@NetzachEnjoyer]

Save Rupture...KIM JI-HOON!!!

[@judehanma]

Joueur fr qui joue à limbus, je rêve... ils existent donc!

[@Ultra_DuDu]

Ils existent en effet!

[@shytsu7090]

France mentionné let's gooo

[@asttm3234]

I've been playing with my tremor team for 100h. Let me just say it, never, ever, try this team. Tragic in story mode, needs +30-50 tremor to actually do something useful, problems with ,,perfect'' Id setup (i mean about their speed in battle, having everlasting before CW hong lu hurts a lot), even has issues doing ritornello with T4 tremor ego gifts and fully upgraded. I BARELY beat stage 3 railway with this team. Just go for sinking or charge, never try building this team (it's also expensive AF).

[@sigma4647]

We are getting a lot of love for bleed in canto 7

[@sadpocky3391]

Hope Rupture gets more love this season, but I wouldn't mind bleed either - considering the recent revelations about Don in MOTWE. Bleed got the Ring IDs to help bolster it, but I hope they add even more to help even things out. It seems like they're starting to dip more in to dual-archetypes considering the recent IDs in RE&P Ryoshu and Devyat Rodya. They'll probably try to add in more IDs to other associations that haven't got anything for a while like Oufi, but I do hope they try to experiment more with the Ring IDs. As they're super chaotic as a faction in the lore, it'd be cool if we got Ring IDs that focus on other statuses like Rupture, Tremor, Sinking. Rupture especially though. Even if Devyat Rodion is kind of underrated imo and slept on, I think a Ring Rupture ID would be fantastic.

[@pulkin-ok3td]

The statuses are quite strange in MD and are easy to fill and hold. In history and collision, this is a dance with a tambourine and the right command, that is, you still have to spend time to get the id if you are unlucky and naturally pumping up the id seems the result does not really cover the effort spent and statuses as an addition to a full-fledged opportunity (not taking into account some statuses and situations )

[@sinitheexcellent3654]

based and curse-pilled. in time, we will get an ID, for now lets hope the new hex nail egos from season 5 will feed us more

[@okok-fd8yu]

personally for bleed and burn I like to run an off status member, for bleed its Liu Rodion so that I can have access to Sanguine Desire, as well as Burn being easy to stack up even when shes alone so Ring yi sang conditions become easy to trigger, and for Burn i bring Dieci Meursault, he has better rolls than liu meur, really good sin generation for the team, and access to Capote

[@SnugRae]

I've been hovering the discord to see what the general opinion on stuff is since I usually play meta and I'm trying to build a sinking team. I started this walp so I'm usually a bit lost but I'm starting to understand why certain things are good. That being said, you put Dieci Rod in your team and said that Rime is one of the best egos in the game, but many people in the discord are saying that its not needed anymore because of alternatives like bygone and echos of the manor debuff. I'll prob keep dieci rod in just because i like her and the idea of having a tank but I was just curious what your thoughts were on this so I could learn a little more about the game. Thanks!

[@Spoizae]

The echoes + bygone makes it so sinking doesnt need to rely on rimeshank anymore, true. However, although dieci rodion is the most count negative unit in the team, she's still the best 6th slot for sinking teams. Once we get a decent new sinking id, she's most likely to be the next one replaced in the team.

[@MagnetAlpha]

Dieci Rodion is still an amazing ID that can fulfill tanking roles easily so it's always good to have imo. True that her skill 2 is insanely negative, but S3 is positive, and with discard you'll get them more than other IDs (part of the reason she's so good). Rime Shank might not be *needed* anymore, but it's still an amazing EGO to kickstart sinking, which can be done on several units because AoE, and strong even outside sinking teams. But yeah finally we'll be able to make it work without it I guess. Though I don't like relying on Echoes too much, because it's still 50/50.

[@thegoldenraysoftheglorious1180]

​@@Spoizaetbh the best sinking team right now is generally gonna be molar ishmael butler outis and faust erlking heathcliff solemn/spicesang and edgor/dieci hl because rodion is way too count negative.

[@goobthesillycraftgoober]

must suck to be rupture

[@ComputerGamingg]

My 7 rolling association..😢

[@ten8339]

nice video

[@zoraz8255]

Status stock report!!🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@GamStr-xq3vc]

SCREAM IF YOU LOVE SINKING ( I have clinical MDD)

[@redcobra9588]

N Corp rodeon really good for desire E. G. O, and surprisingly n corp rodeon good clasher at mirror dungeon.

[@aisir3725]

Rupture fans after its been the strongest in half of rr3 (it wont be getting shit until end of times now)

[@cereal8193]

😢 a video that got rupture right. i tip my fedora to you

[@ForestForTheFlame]

Chef Ryoshu or Red eyes & Penitence Ryoshu🤔 Which's better for bleed team?

[@MagnetAlpha]

I'd say Red Eyes Penitence in general now. Chef isn't better in most situations I'd say, especially for Bleed infliction. For healing in fights with multiple enemies maybe, or for the evade, but that's about it. Or if you'd rather really want wrath instead of gloom, but gloom is pretty useful anyway.

[@ForestForTheFlame]

@@MagnetAlpha Thanks

[@irineumartins9535]

Outis w.corp is considerably inefficient in supporting the team, requiring Res on the nuke turn, even when the available ability is gloom. Furthermore, his contribution to the team is limited and carried out slowly. There is no comparison with Ishmael, who stands out as a truly dedicated support. Outis, at best, is a unit that provides sporadic and modest assistance. In MD, the situation changes a bit, but there any resource is considered useful.

[@MagnetAlpha]

I consider Outis' charge barriers the most valuable support from her tbh. Load is made for a few IDs and shouldn't be expected to be for every ID in a one turn destruction. And Ishmael is a better support in general, and one of the best rn, but I meant that for Poise it's so hard to proc, with targeting around SP rather than poise, that for Poise itself I rarely find it relevant most of the time.

[@Sandbeard]

magic bullet released season 3

[@maxoublue1]

You're thinking too small! Everyone knows that the best team in the game is Bloise-Prenvy teams!

[@spocklikegenre1524]

Earlier in Mirror Dungeon I was testing Lament Yi Sang, and LCCB ryoshu's passive didn't seem to work when using all his ammo on his skill 3. Is there something I'm missing or does it just not work because yi sang reloads at the end?

[@MagnetAlpha]

It should technically work, especially because they fixed it right before Yi Sang's released, so they likely planned for it. If it doesn't I'd consider it a bug. And if it isn't shown in the passives while using the skill, it might still work and just be a visual problem.

[@DenkiinArt]

It works, its the extra numbers floating after his 3rd coin (becasue thats where he dumps is ammo) then his 4th coin because it counts as last bullet, its not as strong as before since PM change it recently.

[@spocklikegenre1524]

Thanks for the answers, after reading Ryoshu's passive again it only works against the coin's target, which there's only one of since it's a single attack weight, so @DenkiinArt is right. I was mistakenly thinking it would deal damage to other targets because MB Outis' ammo skill has more attack weight. The curse of being unable to read strikes yet again.

[@AmpelioB]

why are you posting this before the last banner?

[@MagnetAlpha]

Schedule mostly, cuz I have season's general review that I wanna do as well not too late after it, and shorts for the banner, and I don't wanna work too much on multiple videos by then. I just wanted to do it asap, and I didn't feel like last banner would be very relevant anyway since it's Zwei. Got enough stuff to talk about anyway. I'll add a pinned comment if it ends up being relevant enough.

[@i.am.colddd]

what english are you speaking

[@FriendOfHatkid]

The disrespect to Dieci Sang is diabolical. You think he wanted to be like that? For me, my favorite team is bleed. Ring Sang, Routis, NFaust, Hook Lu, R Sault and KK Ryoshu cuz I didn't got Wallurgis. And also, obligatory "rupture fans starving" meme or whateva

[@xjkmr1]

Dieci Rodion in a Sinking Team? 🤢 hm…agh mhm….wait…lemme just….use the bathroom

[@Puffman728]

She has rime shank which she fuels perfectly, on top of being a very strong ID by herself

[@thegoldenraysoftheglorious1180]

​@@Puffman728but she nukes your count which is not worth bringing rime shank any more.

[@thegoldenraysoftheglorious1180]

​@@Puffman728hell its far better just to run double echoes providers (butler faust and outis) over dieci rodion currently

[@Puffman728]

@@thegoldenraysoftheglorious1180 I saved up 400 shards and I was debating on which 000 I should get given I already have Rosespanner. My sinking team is already on a good spot so I got Liu instead

[@noishfanboy1141]

@@thegoldenraysoftheglorious1180Would you rather run double echoes providers or outis + edgor for better clashing and potential lament synergy

[@cnarfrat1911]

Not a big fan of your charge team man... Sorry but the team set up is not good.

[@stupidestduck]

The only thing I would change is reindeer ish over yi sang. The rest looks absolutely fine so I'm not sure what's your issue with the team.