Limitless Paramotor Honest Review - The Good & The Bad

[@garywheeler2055]

You make some of the best ppg videos, thanks and keep ‘em coming

[@TrevorSteele1]

I appreciate that!

[@medotaku9360]

Dell isn't gonna like this, right? You're a pretty brave dude. I hate conflict with my family. You're doing the right thing, though. Honesty is always the right choice.

[@dkdanis1340]

Why does it matter what dell thinks??? Trevor has it's own opinion. I know some people that don't agree with their family yet they still hang out.

[@TrevorSteele1]

Thank you! What Dell thinks is up to Dell. I had to leave to go do things the right way and to sell equipment I truly believe in.

[@FTroop37F]

Nice. This is a very comprehensive review. It's a nice machine with many fine qualities. That said, I appreciate your honestly discussing things you'd like to see enhanced. I don't view those as a slam on the machine but an opportunity to address small items in an effort to get it perfect. It's honesty like that that will advance the technology and will encourage positive refinement for all manufacturers. I love the way you didn't need to impune other machines in order to make your point. This appears to be a fine machine and your marketing of it is positive and informative. Nice job.

[@paulb7334]

Good to see a review that's not just bashing the other guys and how mine is the best

[@TrevorSteele1]

Thanks :)

[@josephking7021]

Very informative and well done Trevor. Good work!

[@jmc18875]

I used a black sharpie to color in the numbers on my fuel tank. I’ve colored them in 2 years ago and they are still colored in.

[@TrevorSteele1]

Good tip.

[@warrenkral6562]

Thats pretty smart!

[@bwc153]

I've done the same on my Fly Products. Sharpie did come off so acrylic painted it

[@kathyphelan936]

Aiyah! I never had motion sickness until I watched this entire video. Love the content but you gotta try some more static camera options. 😵‍💫

[@TrevorSteele1]

I’ll make a change for the next video

[@alfadanhighperformanceoutb8416]

Trevor, My first paramotor was a Fresh Breeze. My second was a Fly Product Power Gold 130 and my last was a Flat Top. I had problems with both The FB and the Fly Product. Cages were weak and prop strikes to the lower cage was easy. Once I got the FT those problems went away. I flew the FT with the S Trike (which I did not like) and then the Air Trike.

[@TrevorSteele1]

Haven’t had a prop strike with a limitless.

[@richwilson7619]

@@TrevorSteele1 Doesn't skill have much to do about that. Are you not the top 1 percent?

[@AlaskaWild]

Has anyone ever cut their wing lines on a paramotor prop? The prop looks very close to the lines in some shots while leaning down.

[@JamesMilanese123]

The bottom netting on any of these you should switch out to chicken fencing. My friend Justin lost 2 fingers when his was just netting. He has a safety video out about it on his channel Justin PPG.

[@LukasKuhelj]

That`s how you do a review!:) Not like those 5 minutes "reviews" or smacktalk "reviews" of some other people on YT..

[@TrevorSteele1]

I’m glad you liked it!

[@hankhopkins3587]

Man , I think the limitless is awesome..I love any and all things that fly, yes even the junk, if it flys, I love it, can't help it,, At first I didn't know how to handle Dell, but after watching his videos, he does make sense..Then I got to seeing Trevor in some of them, why don't you guys come up with a limitless, / flattop motor super light, safe, and power for big Boyz, y'all are pros, surely with all the knowledge of the sport, we can make the American made brand far more superior than the rest.Gotta love it man, this is good content o Peace out bro.

[@TrevorSteele1]

The limitless is just so awesome I don’t want to hassle with making my own!

[@careykaeding4542]

Is it just me or are paramotors way overpriced for what they are??!

[@TrevorSteele1]

No I think they are underpriced.

[@FishStick_ADV]

Yes. They are EXTREMELY expensive for what they are.

[@macflyguy5166]

I used to think that until I got my Macfly and realized the level of craftsmanship, hours that went into building it.

[@FishStick_ADV]

@@macflyguy5166 I simply compare it to other products. For example you can buy a brand new Japanese motorcycle for less than the cost of a paramotor. A motorcycle has significantly more technical challenges. Suspension, hydraulic, electrical, and computing systems. They must meet regulatory standards of multiple governing bodies. Paramotors are unregulated. There are fewer technical details. Probably ~85% less raw material. I can’t quite wrap my head around the 8,000 plus price point. Maybe it’s a supply/demand economics thing.

[@TrevorSteele1]

It’s about the volume being manufactured. It’s expensive to manufacture low volumes.

[@jimcr120]

I’ve found that the tank is visible looking directly at it while in flight. Try it next time. With the new tank continuing with a wide profile I believe this will remain true.

[@TrevorSteele1]

Awesome I’ll try next time!

[@sergitoleonard9665]

Nice 👍 god review thanks

[@lobbyrobby]

Hopefully I'll be heading to Aviator Paramotor in Florida for training next winter. As you know they sell this and the Parajet. After training, between myself and what they recommend for me I'll make a decision. I'm 5'9"and 170 lbs. Which would you pick?

[@TrevorSteele1]

A Macfly or a parajet. Macfly would be my personal go to and is what I fly.

[@lobbyrobby]

@@TrevorSteele1 thank you

[@michaeldose2041]

I like the fact that you point out that the engine mount accepts different engines. In my opinion that is a big plus. It's never made sense to me that when referring to a para frame it's called a paramotor. It's like the engine didn't exist separately. For example, there is this guy who refers to himself, as the self appointed, greatest pilot in the world. He would talk about Flat Top paramotors. When I tried to look up Flat Top engines it turned out they don't exist. It's called a Minari. So why not just say that? Consumer choice should be respected. If I prefer to mount a different engine on my frame, I should be able to, in my opinion. Or at least the people that make the frame shouldn't make it exceedingly difficult to do that.

[@TrevorSteele1]

Most frames are made specifically for certain engines because it’s lighter weight to do so. That being said, most frame manufacturers create identical frames that accept different engines. The limitless is nice because it takes any engine!

[@michaeldose2041]

@@TrevorSteele1 My point exactly. The mounting points are similar but not exact. It doesn't take a lot of extra material, but it does take more machine time and jigs=more cost. Small engines like Briggs and Tecumsa somewhere along the line agreed to a standard mounting pattern and the Chinese fell in line. There are a lot more lawn mowers, log splitters etc. than para motors, but who knows maybe they can agree on a standard pattern, but probably not.

[@JPTulo]

Nice review! Great to have another option on the market. When brands compete to make a better rig than their competitor, the customers end up winning 🙌. I’m not crazy about the net rivets either, and I’m anxious to see what the new fuel tank looks like 🪂

[@glen3257]

I see in comments people mentioning Dell. Are you the person Dell has referred to as supper Trevor? OK edit after reading more comments. (you are!) All I want is honesty, and transparency to get into something I feel would celebrate my life because of my passion for flying. To live life instead of going through the motions as I have for so long. After beating cancer, I want to live and not just go through the motions. I am so overwhelmed from videos not knowing which way to go. I feel so strong about this I was ready to cash in part of my retirement, but after what I thought was due diligence on my part researching to get the best training and safest gear, I am now frozen in indecision. Please help with honest and transparent advice for me. Thank you and I have liked and subscribe, but starting to feel I could die of old age wishing I had, but not fulfilling my dream because for the amount of money and safety, getting inferior training or equipment and dieing is no way to celebrate life. I accept that there are dangers and totally OK with the inherent risks, but jut want to minimize them. Thank you in advance for anyone's educated and unbiased guidance. Ok one last edit. Where do you train in winter months and what is your student to instructor ratio?

[@nathansterrett3054]

So you're not with Dell anymore I'm assuming. Cool to hear you started your own business!

[@TrevorSteele1]

Thank you!

[@novakane8722]

Hi Trevor, I was wondering if the limitless was able to do tandem flight and if you sell the equipment for it?

[@TrevorSteele1]

Absolutly! It would actually be a great unit for tandems because it runs a 140 prop which makes more power!

[@ppgtraininguk]

Nice 👌

[@davidyoung518]

Let my buddy Joey fly it a few times with a 125 prop....and he'll find a way to strike that prop!! 🤣🤣🤣

[@ZDW4573]

Good review. Is this what you'll be flying during the Wingman Challenge this year?

[@TrevorSteele1]

Yes it will!

[@shanesplanetshane3795]

Thanks for the vid. Its best to not cite absolutes as in "havent had ANY", prefaced with the citing of a small issue. Similar to claiming something is EXACTLY the same, but different. Im enjoying the feedback about the moster type R. If nobody else comes up with better, before I blow my regular 185 up, the factory R will definitely be next.

[@dillonmech7206]

Is there a cart option, its imporent

[@TrevorSteele1]

There is a cart option!

[@dillonmech7206]

@@TrevorSteele1 lets see it thanks Trevor!

[@flyingtime5501]

nice...always thought titanium was obvious choice for paramotor frames. surprised there aren't more choices available by now. but I won't support aviator essentially trying to unionize training prices. in my book that puts them in the same category as the Dell club!

[@austinkaufman9402]

What are they doing with training, I thought they were just in Florida

[@flyingtime5501]

@@austinkaufman9402 created aviator alliance to expand to other previously independent instructors...look into it...this is just my opinion and its the one I value the most!

[@TrevorSteele1]

From what I understand, they no longer do that.

[@flyingtime5501]

@@TrevorSteele1 good it was a terrible idea for growing the sport not to mention inadvertently making more ppl choose to self train hence making the sport less safe!

[@aviator]

​@@flyingtime5501 Our goal with the Alliance was never to set pricing, it was to increase the quality and consistency of training and to share our syllabus with other schools. We did it largely because we had a lot more people wanting to be trained by us than we had the capacity to serve. So we sent them to others, essentially helping these other businesses grow and allowing lots of new pilots to join the sport. Pricing was never set by us at Aviator as a rule for the other businesses to follow.

[@dkdanis1340]

6:58 Dell said that flattop can be started on ground.😂😂. I think you are right cause if engine revs up it can fly into the pilot and possibly chop something. Also are bars that stick out to prevent face plant needed for beginner.

[@medotaku9360]

Dell says a lot of crazy stuff all the time. Don't ground start the blender. You'll get chopped up. Even with a flat-top. I know it's hard to start that thing by yourself with it on your back but that's a design flaw. I think they should move the pull starter somewhere easier to use.

[@TrevorSteele1]

It’s very difficult to start the flat top on your back.

[@gotime2me336]

@@TrevorSteele1 I don't have a problem starting a flat top on my back however I ground started warm it up then put it on my back and then starts relatively easily .... I've never had another any other type of paramotor... my only complaint is the starter handle is kind of hard to get a hold of; but I am getting old not as flexible as younger people 😅..... do you really like this engine better than the minari?

[@gleanerman2195]

@@medotaku9360 I have been flying the FT for over 10 years, at first I tried and tried to start it on my back, no way. I crank it on the ground, sit down in it, hook on and go. Never an issue.

[@dkdanis1340]

@@TrevorSteele1 so the holy flattop isn't flawless 😂😂.

[@michaeldose2041]

It took me awhile to get used to calling a paramotor and frame a paramotor. I guess the motor (usually an engine) is just a motor. And why don't the Japanese make a motor, engine para thingie? So many fine motorcycles. And why aren't they enginecycles?

[@TrevorSteele1]

Volume is why they don’t make our engines.

[@richwilson7619]

It's called profit. How many are you going to sell as compared to cost to manufacture

[@error.418]

There are about 30,000 paramotor pilots in the world as estimated by the FAI. There are about 600 million motorcycles in the world as estimated by Riders Share. That's 20,000 motorcycles sold per paramotor sold, approximately. That's a ridiculous different. It should be pretty obvious that the motorcycle market share is insanely larger which can benefit from massive volume pricing.

[@michaeldose2041]

@@error.418 Thanks for letting me know there are more motorcycles than paramotors, that came a huge surprise, hahahahaha. My point is, with all those light powerful motorcycle engines it seems like it wouldn't be hard to adapt one for a para engine. I think your point is in the overall scheme of things, not worth it. I think the fact that they declared war on 2strokes with the big manufacturers might also have something to do with it. 2 strokes are simply a novelty that the big manufacturers can't or won't pursue. Airplanes have always had 4 strokes . Someone (like Honda or Yamaha) could do that, but the numbers simply aren't there. Which sucks because it keeps the cost stupid high, that's my point.

[@thomasnappo6309]

Trevor it's a Great machine..but not for the average person who can afford almost 9,000...then you need a nice wing at 4-5,000...that's alot of money bro..

[@TrevorSteele1]

There are cheaper options but you get what you pay for in this sport. The higher-priced paramotors are totally worth the additional money.

[@toddmead5710]

Tell me about it the starting a menari engine has made my arm so f****** strong freaking ridiculous how many times you have to pull that thing to start it.. and it doesn't even have a starter option for the engine that I have.. if there is please let me know for the 200r engines Electric start

[@gotime2me336]

I have a 200r engine I don't have any problems as long as it's Prime to good.... I'm wondering how easy those engines are to pull if they are they can't have very much compression unless they got a huge compression release I don't know..

[@Para_Ninja]

I had this issue too which drove me nuts for a year until I discovered the issue is I was running too rich and a little compression port in the cylinder head is getting clogged/restricted. I was breaking pull starter cords left and right the compression was so high. So what you need to do is 1.Pull the head and then really clean out the little port on the cylinder wall.. can use a braided wire or even a drill bit.. (decarbonize your piston while there) then you need to switch to 50:1 or even 60:1 if it keeps happening. Finally you need to retune the carb. There isnt alot of info on tuning the Minari (wish someone would do one) but basically its set to your local temperature and I have my Low a little on the rich side and the High a little on the lean. The engine gets alot more powerful and snappy and its MUCH MUCH easier to pull start. It will be about 10-15% more powerful than the moster 185 if tuned right. The real issue is no clutch, there are pros and cons of that, a con is its a bit harder to pull start just naturally but the pros are the prop isnt a giant airbrake when idling, power is more snappy and don't have to deal with clutches failing which happens and are a royal pain to replace. Hope that helps.

[@jackofalltrades610]

I have owned a Parajet with the Moster 185, and I now own the FT with the Minari 200. We all have our own opinions and reasons for what we fly and what we deem acceptable to us for our own reasons. I won't bore you with the details, but my decisions are based off of what I feel safe flying due to crashes and now having titanium in several areas of my body (surgically inserted... not tramatically!...lol) and spending over a year recuperating. I have crashed both paramotors and I have to say the crash on the FT was a much more aggressive crash. Yet, I walked away from that crash and the paramotor frame only needed a few cage pieces replaced. The maverick frame was warped to the point it was never the same. Now my Moster 185, was much harder to start than my Minari 200. I usually start the minari with one pull and the power compared to my moster feels much better. Now....I just will say that tuning and proper priming is everything! I have learned so much about tuning that this in itself could actually be why my minari is so much easier to start. Paramotors..... as two strokes are not too complicated and I believe most can be tuned to be pretty satisfactory to anyone, at least the most common ones anyway. When choosing my current Paramotor, I got passed the personality issues, or horrible embellishments, or you name the plethora of reasons everyone loves to hate someone in particular, and just made the decisions based off of my experience and my own perceived needs. I also don't let mass marketing or trends influence me if my experiences don't match what they are selling, or the mass good Ole boy clubs because of trends or certain social media influences. Now don't get me wrong.... I don't hold ill feelings for anyone in this sport or the business of the sport (except Aviator, but that's a personal experience as well and no need to trash anyone at this point). Nor do I believe the lies coming out of someone's mouth. I can read through that as most of you can as well. I also realize that as my experiences grow in this sport my needs, wants and perspectives of the gear will change. I really like the attitude that Trevor has developed about the gear and sport in the way he believes all equipment has pros and cons and we have to figure that out for ourselves. And...yes.. it's good to hear many other's perspectives as well, it's how we gage things and work through our own decisions. I love this sport and the people in it. I wish I had gotten into it sooner, but my last 12 years in the military with all my deployment cycles held me back. I don't agree with everything Trevor is saying about the motor he chooses, but that doesn't mean I think him flawed for his views either. We just have different experiences and views because of that. I will say, I have gotten to know Trevor a bit over the last couple of years and I am very proud of how he is showing incredible maturity and handling himself in his new endeavors and I wish him all, the best and success in the world! One of these days Trevor, I will want to change out my glider for one of those Sky paragliders...... or..... whatever you may think based off of what I tell you my needs are.... we will see, but I am coming to you Brother! Keep up the excellent videos Trevor, they are awesome!

[@TrevorSteele1]

Can't wait to share the sky with you again :)

[@alfadanhighperformanceoutb8416]

When comparing the Flat Top features to the Limitless or any of these other clone Paramotors , the Flat Top beats them all every time, No comparison in safety. I won’t sacrifice my safety so will stick to FT. About the only semi valid complaint one could say about the FT might be that it’s not the most comfortable on the ground. Considering these things are made to fly then the flight comfort and flight safety is priority so again the Flat Top wins.

[@JustOutHereTinkering]

No thanks

[@parajerry]

First, I find the claims of FT questionable. Second...it looks like something Mad Max created in his post-apocalyptic garage. Even if everything claimed was true, the owner's attitude and arrogance would prohibit me from owning one. The limitless looks nice, but I own a Maverick Sport. There are many great brands out there...choose the one you like, not the one that claims all others are a death trap.

[@TrevorSteele1]

Every paramotor has their pros and cons. It’s about determining what pros are important to you and which cons you can deal with. If the flat top fits your style, then great! If it doesn’t fit your style, then great! The limitless fits my style more so that’s what I choose!

[@FishStick_ADV]

The Flat Top is itself a clone of an early Walkerjet paramotor. Choose your "clones" wisely.

[@TrevorSteele1]

True that.

[@paulb7334]

Just make sure with that engine to get 2 or3 extra exhaust lol

[@TrevorSteele1]

Exhaust cracks are not a problem on Vittorazi engines. They are very common on Minari exhausts, but Vittorazi engines are much higher quality.

[@paulb7334]

@@TrevorSteele1 I get them mixed up

[@stustanski3912]

Looks like a death trap😳

[@TrevorSteele1]

Oh it's most certainly not. In fact - it's arguably one of the best paramotors on the market right now. It's comfortable. It's strong. And my goodness, it looks good. If you think this is a death trap, I challenge you to actually learn about paramotors. Don't just listen to what they say. Question everything. Work to understand the reality. Because once you do, you'll see the truth. And trust me, the truth is that these paramotors are not death traps.

[@moose7472]

You mentioned many times that you would show the other frame for points to show-never did

[@michaeldose2041]

And when are we going to hear the story behind your divorce? Dell has said a couple of things, what say you Trevor?

[@TrevorSteele1]

I couldn’t sell products or services I didn’t believe in! It was time for me to go my own way and do things the right way!

[@michaeldose2041]

@@TrevorSteele1 Thanks for the reply. Those two short sentences spoke volumes. WOW!

[@richwilson7619]

@@TrevorSteele1 So your way is the right way? You learned well Grasshopper.

[@TrevorSteele1]

@@richwilson7619 I refuse to be apart of something or sell something I don't believe in.

[@cs-xd9gy]

@@TrevorSteele1 what didn't you believe in? The flat top, the training, your crazy partner?

[@coryturner9140]

The prop sticks way too far beyond the frame, the gas tank filler is precarious, huge opening in the cage right behind your head, netting is weak. The flattop is far superior in build and safety for sure but I’m sure it flies great.