Got our hands on a couple of Celestion spealers. Since we could not see any reference for speaker swaps for the Catalyst, we decided to make one. We used the Crunch channel of the Catalyst with a slight boost from the MXR Timmy.
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@DavisWolfPack9 ай бұрын
Vintage 30 all day. Mic’s up much better, no high end fizz, more focused midrange. One of the best speakers of all time for a reason.
@soundforge80965 ай бұрын
V30 fan here as well :)
@tracyblair3064 Жыл бұрын
I definitely prefer the stock speaker. Thanks so much for doing this comparison! I may end up with a Catalyst at some point.
@soundforge8096 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking time to watch. 👍
@lordgarbage4319 Жыл бұрын
are you high? or maybe you just like really bad, muddy tones lol
@dewey7330 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing this. I was going to try the vintage 30 in mine.but now I see it’s not worth it. You have saved me some $$. Thank you my friend.
@soundforge8096 Жыл бұрын
Happy we were able to help. 👍
@ll14m4n6 ай бұрын
I rewatch this video every few days and convince myself: "I don't need a speaker swap, I don't need it." Holding on so far...
@mohitrahaman4 ай бұрын
you'll be just fine.
@putchmillernetwork179927 күн бұрын
if you wanted something might be best to get a evm or celestion fr speaker
@jayteesgear3 ай бұрын
That Creamback takes the amp to a WHOLE new Level! That stock speaker must be whats killing the base tones. Interesting
@rgbplumbinghilton5 ай бұрын
Vintage 30 all day long. I could decide that after the first sound samples. Very clear. Other speakers were muffled in comparison
@soundforge80965 ай бұрын
With the new amp models that came with the new firmware, we should do an update on this vid.
@akaerik1 Жыл бұрын
Clestions sound more mix ready and less flubby with better definition. Everyone loves playing with a bunch of bass at home but in a band or a mix you have a bass player. By itself it my sound nasal to your ears but that's kinda the Celestion sound.
@AndrewC19833 ай бұрын
I am very surprised how well the Line6 speaker held up. Definitely not worth replacing.
@soundforge80963 ай бұрын
Yeah it has it perks, definitely. We keep switching back and forth depending on the use case.
@Fugettaboutit Жыл бұрын
I always figured that for modeling amps the speakers are supposed to be more full-range as the amp is producing a simulation, and need studio-monitor- or PA-like reproduction (obviously without an extra tweeter). So an actual guitar speaker will probably have a narrower frequency range and overall leaner bass, no?
@soundforge8096 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that could be the case. Maybe a good experiment would be putting the stock speaker to a non-modeling amp. 👍
@karlhouseknecht Жыл бұрын
The amp needs a guitar speaker, not a PA speaker. It isn't reproducing a mic'd speaker sound, it's reproducing preamp and poweramp modeling. So you wouldn't want full range for that.
@Fugettaboutit Жыл бұрын
@@karlhouseknecht Okay I understood differently, that modeling combo amps were essentially the same as running a rack version or in-computer version through your power amp and monitors...even without mic simulation. It seemed tat most if not all modeling combos for a while came with proprietary factory-labeled speakers rather than known Celestion or Eminence guitar speakers. But maybe as modeling technology and simulation has advanced, it would make more sense that if digital power amps are putting out what a tube amp would, it shold be into a speaker originally designed for a tube amp.
@karlhouseknecht Жыл бұрын
@@Fugettaboutit The proprietary speakers are an attempt to have a more neutral speaker that works somewhat well with all of the modeled amp types in the unit. It's not an attempt at full range reproduction of a modeled amp/cab/mic combo, but rather a compromise. Swapping out a particular guitar speaker is a great way to shape the sound to something you're more accustomed to.
@Fugettaboutit Жыл бұрын
@@karlhouseknecht Yeah that's what I figured, since the modeler was trying to simulate different amps. Also, if we look at the Fender Tonemaster series, those are I guess modelers that are only doing one model, so the speaker (even though a neo magnet model) seems like a Jensen-type. But maybe that was more what I was thinking, 'neutral' rather than 'full-range'. You look at extension/powered speakers now for modelers, and they are 'FRFR' (full range, full response) speakers. Personally, I'd want something like that if I had multiple modeled settings that were pretty different from one another, hopefully taking care of all the tonal characteristics in the modeling itself. Only thing is as many guitarists know, there's tonal characteristics that speakers impart as a physical interaction/response that's hard to simulate.
@flavioschifano1662 Жыл бұрын
Original speaker is the best
@bgrierofficial Жыл бұрын
+1 to that - for some reason, the others didn't sound as full range to me.
@JosePineda-jn8jk Жыл бұрын
Yeah a much more open airy sound imo.
@bustersgotavmax9 ай бұрын
i liked the Vintage 30. I turned up the volume when it played back compared to the stock speaker to equal it out. I believe it will cut through a mix better . I usually go for a brighter sound to start with, so it suites me.
@yachinyphotography2 ай бұрын
Vintage 30 .but what about some clean sounds???
@jimcrews8951 Жыл бұрын
Nice speaker demo. Can you make another with different setting on the Catalyst, such as clean, chime, and such? A demo of the no gain to very little gain on various amp setting tones?
@soundforge8096 Жыл бұрын
Interesting. A bit of a stretch for us, but we'll see how we can make that happen. :)
@robphillips83514 ай бұрын
Anyone tried a celestion hot 100 in this amp, found a new one for 40.00 which is dirt cheap and maybe worth the purchase??
@betojara977328 күн бұрын
Same I found one for 60 bucks but I want to hear it? Anyone?
@frantisekbednar233 ай бұрын
hi do you thing that if i put g12t-75 in my cat 100 it will be allright
@soundforge80963 ай бұрын
I have not had a G12T-75 before. My impression on the G12T-75 is that I may not like it on the Catalyst. I have noticed that I prefer the tones of Creambacks on the Calayst.... but that's just me. :) Try it out and let us know what you think 👍
@keithbenedict87645 ай бұрын
I have the Catalyst 100 and I find the speaker to be very directional with a narrow dispersion pattern. If you're not right in front of the amp, it loses most of it's clarity. Have you experienced this and if so, did the speaker swap help? The narrow dispersion is the only negative I've found with the Catalyst.
@soundforge80965 ай бұрын
Yup, experienced this even on a Katana 1x12. I can only guess that the most we can do here is use an external cab to improve the dispersion.
@keithbenedict87645 ай бұрын
@@soundforge8096 I’ve read that stuffing a pillow or ballast of some sort can help. I might try that. I had a 15-watt tube amp from Monoprice that wasn’t NEARLY as directional. Still enjoying the amp, the new firmware is pretty awesome. Loving the new amp models.
@topavelka Жыл бұрын
I like Catalyst . . . nice demo, thanks!
@soundforge80965 ай бұрын
We need to have an update on this video with all the new amp models in the Catalyst :)
@pauljohnston1560 Жыл бұрын
Maybe the Vintage 30 is marginally better to my ears but not worth changing IMHO, great comparison though 👍👍👍
@andersbarfodsvaneskolan9378 Жыл бұрын
it is obvious that the creamback 65 has a dip in frequency centered at 1.5kHz which makes it sound a little less open than the two otther speakers.. I would go so fat ot say that the original speaker has a little more american sound compared to the vintage 30..
@GabrielSkolderblad3 ай бұрын
How did you like the Celestions compared to the stock speaker? Did you test other amp settings than Crunch?
@soundforge80963 ай бұрын
Overall we prefer the Celestions, particularly the Creamback H75. On cleans, we still preferred the Creamback.
@GabrielSkolderblad3 ай бұрын
I didn't see you tested the H75 only the G12M?
@soundforge80963 ай бұрын
@@GabrielSkolderblad After a week we tried it with a CreambackH75. It stayed there the longest :) Unfortunately, we have not done any comparison on them.
@GabrielSkolderblad3 ай бұрын
@@soundforge8096 I see! So you did put the original speaker back again? Why?
@soundforge80963 ай бұрын
@@GabrielSkolderblad Yeah we were forced to due to volume needs. Maybe it was just all in our head, but we needed more volume for a gig. As there are no 4 ohm celestions (single speaker setup), we had to place back the 4 ohms stock speaker.
@steverolfeca3 ай бұрын
Time to do another test with the latest, 12-amp firmware. Also, how about including an AlNiCo driver and some cleaner tones next time?
@soundforge80963 ай бұрын
Yeah, we got work to do. Hard to come by Alnico drivers around our area.
@steverolfeca3 ай бұрын
@@soundforge8096 I just tried the stock Jensen Neo J12K from a Tone Master DR in my Catalyst 60. Nearly a pound lighter, tighter low end, more sparkle. I miss that fat bottom with my baritone tele and the Catalyst's Octaver effect, so I'll probably go back to the Line 6 driver for now...
@soundforge80963 ай бұрын
@@steverolfeca I can imagine :)
@johnlund2654 Жыл бұрын
Why not a 4 Ohm replacement speaker?
@soundforge8096 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, unfortunately we could not find a 4Ohm speaker we like. Which 4ohms speaker would you recommend?
@PanyingPilot Жыл бұрын
Since nobody actually looks at the back of the speaker cab at a gig, and since louder tends to equate with better, I suggest that if it works, don't fix it.
@giuseppelupo169310 ай бұрын
In the coming days I'll have the opportunity to try my Catalyst with a Celestion FX12-X200 that is a full range speaker. Does it make sense?
@soundforge809610 ай бұрын
Our first thought is that this may not be a good idea. The stock speaker isn't an FR speaker and the catalyst doesn't have any cab sim on its speaker out. Then again, we may be wrong. :) Do let us know how it goes
@giuseppelupo169310 ай бұрын
@@soundforge8096 thanks for your prompt reply! I'll keep you updated. Other questions: a fr speaker like the above mentioned could turn my catalyst into a good cab for a modeler? And what about an acoustic guitar with preamp with such a speaker? Could it sound good?
@soundforge809610 ай бұрын
@@giuseppelupo1693 In theory yes, as long as you plug your modeller in the fx return.
@soundforge809610 ай бұрын
@@giuseppelupo1693 We don't have much experience with acoustic guitars but this should work fine...using the fx return as well
@alexisschrodinger756 ай бұрын
Had you turn off the cab emulation?, I think that if you install a real guitar speaker the obvius thing is not to emulate a guitar speaker over a real guitar speaker.
@soundforge80966 ай бұрын
Not sure what you mean. :) In the all tracks we used a mic on the speakers. Not sure how the emulation would factor in. Cheers!
@hozzer682 ай бұрын
I’m a Creamback fan over V30’s but the Creambacks sounded really fizzy, not much in it between the original and V30’s to be honest, CB’s sounded awefull.
@soundforge80962 ай бұрын
We're big Creamback fans also 👍We have a EVM12L installed at the moment and it'll stay in the Catalyst for a long time. It removes the fizz plus it handles the low wend well.
@Crabfather10 ай бұрын
I just saved a ton of money. Instead of swapping out the speaker in my cat, i chucked an eq in the effects loop to take out all the hideous top end.. it sounds deadly now !
@helsinkioslo836 Жыл бұрын
Hi Sir, available po ba yan sa yamaha/pitch perfect or sa Lyric? san nyo po siya binili? kung wala po kasi, oorder na lang ako sa ibang bansa.
@soundforge8096 Жыл бұрын
Matagal na kami naghintay sa Yupangco. Parang wala sila plano mag stock nito. Seems hindi na sila nagrereplenish ng Line 6 products. Yup, order from abroad na lang. We can also order for you. Message us at our FB page Sound Forge Manila. 👍
@robphillips83514 ай бұрын
Geez the celestions sound huge compared to the stock speaker
@soundforge80964 ай бұрын
If only Celestion made 4ohm versions of their V30s :(
@robphillips83513 ай бұрын
@@soundforge8096 agreed 👍👍
@27pugsly Жыл бұрын
The Celestion sounded muddy
@robphillips83514 ай бұрын
Mid range is in a bad frequency spectrum with stock speaker
@Nozmo_King_NJ9 ай бұрын
The amp circuit calls for a 4 ohm speaker but you tested 8 ohm speakers here. That's a no-no. The stock Catalyst speakers were developed and voiced specifically for this amp, so, save your money and time.
@soundforge80969 ай бұрын
Thanks! We're no amp experts, but would you know why it is not safe for this mismatch?
@d0sk3y7 ай бұрын
@@soundforge8096uhh..Ohm's Law? ...
@soundforge80967 ай бұрын
@@d0sk3y hmmmm pls explain further :)
@ll14m4n6 ай бұрын
@@soundforge8096 I'm sure it's safe. Catalyst has class D power amp. By doubling the speaker impedance you'll simply get 50w amp - a slightly lower volume.
@soundforge80966 ай бұрын
@@ll14m4n We have similar ideas. Just wondering if we can learn something new or different. Cheers!
@dhatboy3 ай бұрын
As mentioned in comments already, just to point out they put an 8 ohm vintage 30 when the original was a 4ohm so not a great test or idea..
@joeltunnah21 күн бұрын
With a solid state power amp going up in speaker impedance is not a problem. It's actually easier for the amp to drive. You just lose 30 or 40% of the power.
@SteveHart-tt7wk Жыл бұрын
Next time maybe no background music would be a great help. With that much distortion dialed in, pretty much any speaker would do. It would have been a great video if you played a sample of different sounds which is the beauty of this amp. I thought the stock speaker was the best. Thanks for the video.
@joeltunnah21 күн бұрын
Dude... with that much grunge on your sound who cares what speaker is in there? smh
@jamesmalamute7874 Жыл бұрын
The background music is too loud that I can't hear your voice. Thats so annoying with many videos. But, Thanks for the comparison video