Complete CLASS PROMOTION Guide for Fire Emblem Engage! All Class Skills and Growths Explained!

[@LinkKing7]

UNIQUE CLASS GUIDE: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qarQfqiOgr2DfpY Just a couple corrections, because you guys are great at point things out to me in the comments: 1- I totally messed up, Martial Master DOES have Staff access but not Tome access, so yeah that changes things, it's more useful than I gave it credit for and that's entirely my bad. 2- I was mentioning being in the right base class to get into an advanced class as just a general rule this game has. Overall, I think promoting a unit in whatever base class they're in and THEN second sealing to the class you want is a better idea UNLESS you're Jean.

[@chriskagamine358]

What's different with Jean in this case?

[@hyperbolic3833]

As far as I know Jean's expertise skill doubles his class growths (not his low personal ones) so its really important to get him into a class with the right growths asap. If you're not using him for magic the +25(50)% magic, +0% speed and +0% dex of martial monk is wasted for 10 levels and you'd prefer something like axe fighter's +20(40)% strength, +5(10)% dex and +10(20)% speed

[@chriskagamine358]

@@hyperbolic3833 I kept him as a high priest, but on my next play through I’ll try that. He’s so squishy as is

[@moonlight2870]

Unless you're Jean OR Etie since she's meant to be a warrior for that amazing six pack.

[@holycrapitsachicken]

@@chriskagamine358 Yeah, Jean can be whatever you want him to be cause of expertise. Staying as a martial monk is certainly not ideal for him cause of the bad growths. Going into high priest can be good if you want to leverage the luck for whatever reason, but it's not too critical for him to stay there. Jean doesn't even need to abandon his staff proficiency since there are quite a few other advanced classes that use staves.

[@Ozziethecat]

I'm still mad that we didn't get an advanced class for thieves, Assassins were always my favorite in 7 because the animations were so good 😭

[@Jrpg_guy]

I mean because the thief you get wanted to stop being an assasin.

[@Ozziethecat]

@@Jrpg_guy So that's why none are in the game at all? Great argument, go bother someone else.

[@Jrpg_guy]

@@Ozziethecat i mean thats the only reason i can think of. Not like they could'nt just have changed the name to great thief or shit. Don't be a bitch about it man

[@Localsoupeater]

​@@OzziethecatNo need to be so aggressive you silly scallywag

[@daddabubbaj]

​@@Ozziethecatplease go bother someone else with yo edgy ahh name 😂😂😂

[@ActionJaxonH]

Fists aren't meant to compare damage wise. It's an EXTRA perk added onto healers, giving them more utility as they can break and even finish off enemies as needed

[@noathern]

Unless you're chloé if you're chloé you just go BRRR

[@trevorgarey5646]

I dunno, with the weapon forged and a good speed stat they can hit up to 4 times on player phase and reliably double on enemy phase. by level 10 with the 2nd tier fist weapon forged to level 5 and a engraving to had higher crit my Jean was hitting enemies several levels higher for 40-50 damage a turn. The right unit and a little investment can make it really powerful.

[@ThePudin124]

I used to think that, but they might as well not have access to them, once i promoted alear i thought well maybe they sucked due to being framme trying to punch stuff, but once i saw my alear 0ing an archer with the fist weapons i dropped em and never used em. The only time i got a kill with them was with seadall for the lolz. I used him to punch (spoiler i guess) marth and finish him off, with a bunch of chain attacks that were set up. So far i think only chloe might be able to use them effectively, perhaps they should be buffed a bit, i think that if they do way less damage than the other weapons its okay due to them breaking 3 types of weapons but in order to get a break you have to do at least 1 dmg XD.

[@corebear1941]

@@ThePudin124 any arts character engaged with Eirika is OP tho, at least vs. Armored. Try Alear + Eirika using steel body or silver spirit, i was oneshotting all armored units with ease, and then you heal back thanks to the eclipse brace heal

[@johnymcmuffins7898]

@@ThePudin124 even with the lowest tier fist art my alear never did 0 damage even to armored units on maddening

[@Wright764]

Martial Masters niche is being the only advanced class with the Qi Adept type to use Chain Guard. Between that and staves they're meant as more of a utility class than a combat oriented one.

[@TheDeviantStrain]

My martial master likes to kick enemy cavalry to death. Very amusing.

[@holycrapitsachicken]

Yep, hit the nail on the head. Also don't get what he means by not having staff utility when Martial Masters have A rank staff proficiency. They can literally use every staff except the 1-time use Nodus, which can't even be bought. They are pretty much a tankier high priest with chain guard and using better fists instead of magic. Martial Master Jade is one of the best examples of what a martial master should be. Though he is certainly correct in regards to Arts proficiency being a pain in the ass to obtain compared to the other proficiencies.

[@rubemartur8239]

At least they can counter well, unlike priests from Radiante Dawn, for example... Giving damage with 0 Mt staff damage, reling only on str, was ridículous. Still the math about damage calculation Still strange... (Str+Magic)/2 cannot do much If you either have bad growths at any statuses. Even so, the best options are engage Arts, because they Focus on Def/res or even only res, avoiding this annoying math.

[@Vatiaure]

Martial master only do real damage when you start stacking true damage on them since they can quad and the A rank tome gives +5 speed

[@danielperegrym4040]

My martial Master can deal between 50 to 100 damage when it initiates combat, depending on the target has low enough speed.

[@dozrFAB]

Just as a tip, you can scale up pixel art better by using "nearest neighbor" options in software. It' prevents that fuzzy effect from happening.

[@LinkKing7]

I have no idea what that is but I'll DEFINITELY look into it! Is it in any general video editing software or is it something on it's own? I use Final Cut Pro to edit

[@hiimkyle1894]

Come on man don't leave him hanging

[@TheIronSavior]

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[@pandacat17]

@@hiimkyle1894 just for anyone who is curious about this, bc you can use it for many things, like old (often japanese) games that have tiny windows that cant be resized well, you need something like "magpie" which you can find by googling magpie upscaler. i think it can also do FSR over games and some other cool stuff.

[@chrisjones1388]

Class changing your base class is sub-optimal for the majority of characters because of how second seals work. Unless you are at level 1 when you second seal your base class or just in a class that is wholly unsuited for the unit (Anna) you are much better off getting to level 10 and promoting into an advanced class and then second sealing over. Any advanced class can second seal into another advanced class at any time provided you have the requisite proficiency. If you change your base class you have to get all the way back to level 10 before being able to promote into your desired advanced class. Only 6 characters join more than 5 levels away from promotion and by the time you get second seals they all will either, likely be able to promote, or basically be non-viable due to the difficulty scaling of skirmishes short of Micaiah/Byleth engage ring abuse.

[@LAZERAK47V2]

You're still better off getting to level 10 with Anna as an Axe Fighter because you can immediately swap to a magic class after promoting to either Warrior or Berserker. Fun fact, Anna *can* work as a Warrior due to the Radiant Bow. Depends on how you want to play it.

[@heroicxidiot]

@@LAZERAK47V2 it's probably worth having Anna as a sage or high priest to benefit from the magic growths first and then revert to warrior. That way Anna's high magic stat can benefit her more when she uses the radiant bow

[@lilybunn423]

@@LAZERAK47V2 warrior Anna works sorta if you’re lucky but losing out on the 25 mag growth from mage or the 30 from Sage is rough and turns her into just an average mag user instead of the best unit in the game honestly I wouldn’t even waste the 5 levels on axe fighter and just second seal immediately. promoting at internal 15 is really not a big deal and you get 5 better level ups (75 mag growth as opposed to 50) to boot. this is what I did in my no grind maddening run and Anna ended up my best unit by a good margin

[@LinkKing7]

Yeah, I didn't literally mean change back to base class, especially if you can instantly promote, I should've been clearer on that, that's my bad.

[@plentyofpaper]

@@lilybunn423 Those extra level ups don't work as well as you'd hope. Lets just look at the magic growth on account of class. Lets compare an Anna that levels up 9 times with each route and ends as a sage. For the mage route, you reclass to a mage, then level up 9 times from level 1 to 10, then promote. 25% magic growth from mage over 9 levels averages 2.25 points of magic. Now the fighter route. Fighter level 5 to 10, 5 levels, no growths. Then 5 levels as a sage at 30% growth. An average of 1.5 points of magic. The mage route nets you an Anna with an average of an extra three quarters of a point of magic. You'll also be down an extra 1.25 HP with the mage route, down 0.25 build, down 0.25 defense, up 1.5 res, up 0.25 luck. Is that worth an extra 4 levels as an unpromoted unit? You can answer yes legitimately. You get a magic user immediatly, which will likely be an upgrade over fighter Anna. I don't agree, but there's an argument to be made for it. I just wanted to quantify this so we can tell what we're actually dealing with. I don't find those small stat differences to be worth worrying over.

[@arcanemaster8722]

2:56 Leif also doesn’t have magic proficiencies, which you need Celica or Micaiah for. Big heads up for people though, if you do want to switch into a magic class, such as Anna, it is super pivotal to do this immediately

[@LAZERAK47V2]

Not exactly. You just need to unlock the proficiency. You can Master Seal then Second Seal into the desired class, it's much better than Second Sealing and then grinding another ten levels. As long as you have the proficiency unlocked on the unit, you can switch whenever you want.

[@rainingrotom]

@@LAZERAK47V2 what they probably meant is getting the magic proficiency as soon as possible

[@effluxi9587]

can confirm; went to master into second seal my anna in chapter 16 after benching her for chapter 11 only to realise... she was one bond level off Mic's tome proficiency, buuuut...

[@ericd1022]

Yeah I learned that with Anna the hard way

[@Rex13013]

That's why I'm excited for the dlc because some of the emblem the emblem that we're getting (especially the 3 that I'm thinking of) I'm sure they'll have magic proficiencies so that'll balance the big middle section of the game we go without any magic emblem rings which absolutely suck (although not as much as the tome variety but I digress lol). That's an issue that I encountered because I got Anna after chapter 10 so I couldn't reclass her into high priest until way later so I just dropped her along with the money potential

[@amanofnoreputation2164]

Covering the unique classes would be really useful because one of the main choices players will be making is, "Do I go into this unit's unique promotion or is something else better?" It's pretty hard to make that call if you don't have any information on the unique classes so, *yes, please,* do make a video on the unique classes and how the stack up to generic unit options for each unit where applicable. For example, do you stick with Alear's divine dragon class to gain benefits with emblem rings not other unit in the game has access to, or is it better to make her into a griffin knight for the extra movement and utility like what Iced Coffee likes to do?

[@LinkKing7]

Alright, I'll be covering the uniques either friday or saturday. They just dropped a bomb that there's a nintendo direct on wednesday so I'll have to shift my upload schedule

[@absoul112]

Unless I'm mistaken, you can go into an advanced class and second seal into another to if you have the proficiencies.

[@mikansempai146]

Thats correct but your stats might not be as great as youd like if you didnt start with the base first. That of course is depending on the growths of the unit and class you were in. Lapis for example struggles with str so making her an axe unit might be good for her str base to be better.

[@TheBakonBitz]

@@mikansempai146Why bother leveling in a base class with worse growths before allowing yourself to level in an advanced class when you can just level in an advanced class twice? Your internal level would be the same either way, so you might as well take advantage of the benefits of an advanced class as soon as you can.

[@mikansempai146]

@@TheBakonBitz because you might wanna use your master seal on another unit first i wouldnt recommend using your first master seal on Lapis for example since thats the example unit i had used.

[@mikansempai146]

Its usually better to go into advance classes in most cases tho

[@LinkKing7]

That is correct, and it's probably the best way to do it rather than resetting your level and racking up the level counter in the base class

[@LadyViolet1]

Outside of Anna who would like to take advantage of Mage's 7 base magic (got that number from serenes forest) ASAP I'd recommend against immediately second sealing to another base class. The reason being you can just use a master seal to promote then immediately second seal to the class you actually want (given proper profeciences) to be in without having to get to level 10 again. This uses the same amount of seals regardless btw. The only difference is in which order you use them.

[@malcovich_games]

Probably more beneficial to just level up Anna as an axe fighter so she spends the least levels in a base class. Could luck out and gain some build too while that's happening.

[@LoudWaffle]

The problem with reclassing Anna is that the first second seal comes after chapter 8 (three in the shop), so it really is better to just hit level 10 as Axe fighter and promote -> reclass. Benching her until you can make her a level 1 mage, then levelling up 9 more times takes way too long, especially when she could have just been a Mage Knight in less time. And spamming great sacrifice with Micaiah is a really easy way to level her up while also working toward tome and staff proficiency.

[@LadyViolet1]

@@LoudWaffle You know what I think you're right. I completely forgot when you *actually* get access to second seals. Feels kind of sad to have to wait that long to get one though.

[@LoudWaffle]

@@LadyViolet1 Yeah, I wish there were more of a reason to play around with different base classes. :(

[@rhettmitchell]

Yessss let’s do unique classes! I’ve been getting a lot out of Alcryst’s and Céline‘s personal class skills

[@LinkKing7]

Alright alright, I shall do it!

[@sprinkletrackskopa3646]

Same! 😊

[@emmettracine8310]

Fun Fact: Thieves still have the ability to open doors without breaking them. kinda niche use but they still have some of those old thief utilities of old.

[@LinkKing7]

Oh do they really? I didn't even notice because there aren't that many doors to open in the first place tbh, especially now that anyone can open chests too

[@toxicteapot7941]

@LinkKing7 during my first run on the Solm castle chapter, I said "oh, sweet. Thief Yunaka can open doors. But so can Ike..."

[@kylescott9529]

Small advantage for Mage/Sage. They ignore enemy terrain bonuses like in Shadows of Valentia. This can help with some bosses. Also helps when thieves (or any covert unit) is on a forest tile. I actually had a little trouble at the start of Tiki’s paralogue with the thieves in the forests. Citrinne helped quite a bit with that.

[@troybaker3556]

Sages also have staff utility over mage knights. Its much closer than linkking implies

[@alejandro_rodriguez_99]

@@troybaker3556 mage knights is only good in mix attackers because its level 5 skill is really good and will almost always proc. Ironically Clanne is a good magic knights but those 9 levels before promotion hurts a lot.

[@RCRated]

@@troybaker3556 Having C in staff is not really worth having over mage knights 1 extra mov and +5 effective speed(personal skill + higher build and speed on promo) , if you really want to you can just put Michia on the mage knight to get the same healing utility and you'll get some great staff units later in the game making the C in staff redundant and lackluster imo

[@troybaker3556]

@@RCRated c on staves gets you physic, freeze,.obstruct and rewarp. C staves is totally worth it sometimes

[@g.n.s.153]

@@RCRated Correction but Sage have B Staff at base not C.

[@snarkyjoe3556]

I actually had my martial monk Framme get extremely high attack stats and was easily killing non-armored units solo. She may have just been blessed this run but she was hitting 20x4 easily

[@saintreem]

try jean with starsphere

[@holycrapitsachicken]

Works extremely well if she's sticking to the divine dragon like glue. Divinely inspiring and crimson cheer works very well for her as a martial master since she has the highest speed growth.

[@SHADOWFRENZY92]

Had a similar experience with Fran. She was doing high damage and doubling pretty early after I promoted her to Master.

[@kyanszabo9077]

Had my martial Master Jean doing some of the highest damage due to his great magic and strength growth

[@g.n.s.153]

Sage are a Mystical unit type and have direct access to B staves. They're a bit slower but I much prefer those advantages over Mage Knight with my experiences so far. Spell Harmony isn't that hard to play around but I've abusing these spur type skills in 3H as well so that might be more of a me thing.

[@Rex13013]

Too bad they butcheręd the sage outfit this time around lol

[@LinkKing7]

I didn't really have many magic units late in the game on my team, and there aren't too many magic emblem rings either so that might be why it felt kind of useless to me. But yeah sage is a good class, the skill just feels weird when compared to Mage Knight's really good one

[@OkuuRaven]

Appreciate your overview. Any chance you could go over the unique classes? Would like to hear your thoughts on those as well.

[@LinkKing7]

Yup, I'll go over them in another video on Friday!

[@Ho1lowHead]

Maftial Master is primarily a healer that's also a Qi Adept, so when it isn't healing it can chain guard and then when they have been damaged from the chain guard they can heal an ally and themselves at the same time so the class skill has pretty good synergy with that. Also, arts are pretty good with Eirika's Lunar Brace(+) and by combining that with Alacrity(++) and the A rank Flashing Fist art can net you a good deal of damage from a support class + the added benefit och being able to break tomes, knives and bows. Also, it being a Qi Adept also synergizes well with some emblems, for example, Lyn has Astra storm which will get guaranteed breaks, Leif as he gives a guaranteed break on top of (hopefully) killing a healthbar, Lucina as it makes Bonded Shield 100% consistent and Micaiah as a niche where Great Sacrifice then removes penalties as well EDIT: Also, what did you mean by 1. Martial Master having access to magic? It doesn't. And what about it not having staff utility?? It literally has A rank base on units without innate Staff rank EDIT 2: Mixed the skills up, it makes great use of Micaiah's Live to Serve-like skill, not its class skill. Defuse healer or whatever it is called is pretty situational

[@LinkKing7]

Yup, I made a mistake with Martial Master not having accesss to staves, that's totally my bad

[@jordankelly4684]

Defuse healer is perfect if you're intending on using Martial Master as a chain guard spam. Position tankier units to the front and sides, put a healer in back, and Martial master in the middle, chain guard, any damage taken by tanks will get healed when your healer tops off your Martial master for the next round of chain guard. Basically makes that group a mobile invincible train that wrecks everything.

[@holycrapitsachicken]

Panette can be a pretty good Halberdier. She's tied with the lowest speed growth so she'll surely appreciate being able to have a mechanism to attack twice and she is also tied with the highest strength so she'll do a hell of a lot of damage on each hit.

[@KuroNekoNetwork]

panette's unique ability makes her a perfect match for celica's skills which will keep her below max hp

[@holycrapitsachicken]

@@KuroNekoNetwork You need to use a tome for the Resonance skill to reduce your health. Greatweapons are the only way to reliably ensure she gets hit on player phase. Even so, just letting her get hit in enemy phase is the easiest way to go about it.

[@Sir_Phobos]

So far my 2 favorite class side steps has been Anna into a Mage Knight with Levin Sword in inventory for breaks and Bow Knight Lapis with canter inherited and Lucina for ranged back ups. I wouldn't want multiple but having a bow knight around as both a back up archer who also has access to a killing edge or silver sword has been nice.

[@The7SeeD]

This isn't really relevant to the video but I've found micaiah is great for leveling characters who are squishy, her map wide heal seems to give the user exp for every person healed.

[@bobowon5450]

basically the only way to level up vander

[@The7SeeD]

@@bobowon5450 well he does start as an advanced class so everyone is playing catch up with him at the start.

[@bobowon5450]

@@The7SeeD for like 2 missions. his bases imply he must have been given a master seal at level 4

[@holycrapitsachicken]

@@bobowon5450 And his exp growth feels like his innate lvl is 20. Big oof

[@The7SeeD]

@@bobowon5450 yeah he is tuned a bit funny that way, I figured they gave him a slower exp rate because he's older and can't learn as quickly as the younger characters anymore.

[@ringofgaea2617]

pretty good video but the martial master slander will not stand, martial masters stay as Qi Adepts which gives them access to some very nice emblem effects but more importantly lets them use and abuse chain guard which has saved my ass a lot on maddening, high priest is good for a pure offensive option but i like that they actually incentivized going into the physically oriented branch of the cleric class by giving it a really cool support utility (unlike war cleric/priestess/great master which are just bad on most clerics compared to sage/onmyoji). there isnt a ton of reason to class somebody into it given arts are hard to get but i dont think that should be the criteria for making it a bad class given jean and framme are right there the whole game

[@SH1NK1R01]

i dont think those two make the positive argument you think they do. Jean is a martial monk only so that he has easy access to healing xp. He is quite literally meant to leave that class and be anything else so he can take advantage of his personal skill. And framme is one of the worst characters in the entire game. She isnt even good as the martial master she is intended to become. Especially after dancer is brought in. You get a chi adept that can use all the same special functions and comes with enough sp to instantly inherit quality time from corrin allowing them to heal for free at the same rate as a heal staff. Plus it has the dance utility. Even the enemies start to use qi adepts less as the game goes on. Opting for more sages and high priests on harder stages. All your healing from staves can be handled by the multiple other classes that also get staff usage. Martial master and monk bring nothing past the early game.

[@ringofgaea2617]

@@SH1NK1R01 id really rather be Dancing with seadall than chain guarding, and having more than one of a useful utility is never unwelcome. jean leaving his base class is also weird because he likely wont outperform other units within that class because he'll be spending 10 levels in martial monk before youd wanna use the second seal on him. thats not to say that hes not good in other classes but the argument for making him a martial master isnt unfounded. also like for pure utility units like the qi adepts combat stats dont rly matter and framme will generally be as useful as jean in martial master. theres worse units than her lol

[@SH1NK1R01]

@@ringofgaea2617 chain guard isnt useful utility though. In practice its almost always a single use per map for only a single hit of damage per combat. ANd there are plenty of scenarios where having seadall dance isnt needed for a turn so having him chain guard lets him still do something. Your point about jean makes no sense btw. He levels to 10 fater due to healing then you promote him to MM then immediately second seal him. He gets double class growths so leaving him on MM where none of his stats outside defensive stats matter is legit a waste. And you are correct about anyone being pretty equal at MM, thats kind of the point. Nothing the class does matters or cant be done by other units. 90% its a liability that doesn't bring anything you really need to clear the map. Early on its your only healer so having its utility can feel good on top of the healing. But once you get other units there isnt much need for a class that only uses wait during player phase and needs to blow a vuln to heal 5 hp just so it can keep using its only defining skill

[@teaghanmoreno8724]

@@SH1NK1R01 Y'know, something clicked with me when I read this. If the Master Monk got Renewal as its class skill, it could have been pretty great. Fists require you to attack at one range, so you are liable to take damage on a counter attack, which means you can't chain guard without wasting a vuln or staff charge. Chain guarding in itself is rather useful, but like you said, it's pretty much a one-time per map ability since it uses your hp and requires you to be at full hp. If they got Renewal you could actually utilize this, and honestly it would make sense for them to get Renewal like War Monk, Great Master, Priestess, etc. which fill simular roles as healers with physical damage.

[@couchpotato8729]

I'd definitely like to see a video on unique classes! If you're interested, I'd also love to see videos on things like max stats of classes, class/character combination analysis, etc.

[@LinkKing7]

I'll be doing the unique hopefully by the end of the week, because my next video is going to actually be a character/class combo analysis on Wednesday!

[@couchpotato8729]

@@LinkKing7 Awesome! I'll keep an eye out for it!!

[@POKENAR]

As someone that likes to grind and thus loves growth units, I still fully support promoting at level 10, due to the increase in growths with no EXP penalty.

[@otakudaikun]

I've got a couple questions about stat caps. If you hit a given stat cap, is there any point to leveling that class anymore? If you switch classes after reaching that cap, do you take a penalty?

[@rhettmitchell]

Yeah idk, I guess just check to see what the stats would change to if you second seal into another class. I’m thinking of changing Panette to warrior or something since her dex and one other stat already maxed and I’m only on like chapter 18

[@LinkKing7]

The classes have a variability in stats so some things will go up and down depending on what class you change into. In terms of stat caps, if you like the class you're in and want to stay in it, then there's no reason to force yourself to reclass out of it tbh.

[@otakudaikun]

@@LinkKing7 If you hit the cap on every stat in a given class, is there any point in leveling it up? That, and could you make someone a berserker, raise their stats up to the cap and then shift them to another class while keeping those high berserker stats?

[@quickpawmaud]

Varsona has been making some cool build videos for different characters. Are you interested in doing some of those? I would definitely watch if you did make some. Also Varsona made a Martial Master Chloe build that is pretty interesting. It uses the Eirika Emblem Ring. Fist weapons are very niche but can be powerful on the right unit and have brave effect and are very light. As well the S rank fists are probably the best S rank weapon in the game. It only works for a few units but when it works it works.

[@DemiLuna1]

Eh, ima have to say the S rank dagger is probably the best S rank weapon, with nova being a close 2nd, then come the fists, to be fair though, most S rank weapons just aren't very good at all. I factor in acquisition in how good a weapon is too, having to donate a region to rank 5 is just, ugh.

[@noathern]

Wait when do you get S rank fists? I thought flashing fists was the best option

[@quickpawmaud]

@@noathern Martial Master gets it.

[@LinkKing7]

I've been working on some build videos, starting with Anna that I released last friday, but there will be another one like that on Wednesday so stay tuned!

[@DemiLuna1]

@@noathern You get them by getting Brionia(?) i think it was, to donation level 5. Every one of the 4 gives an S rank weapon, the worst offender of them all being a single use staff.

[@macmac8222]

Thanks for clearly up the major question I had at the very beginning of the video, I was worried you'd get nerfed exp gains like in other games if you advance classed but it is great to know that the game has level counter for the unit not the class. Edit: Merrin Supremacy!!!

[@fiddlemyfoddle6374]

I actually use martial monk framme quite a bit. In the beginning, it was kinda underwhelming and I kept her around for healing. But one day she KO’d flier and I have no idea how. I know the damage is supposed to be low but framme is beating people up left and right for me.

[@neroatlas]

I wanted to thank you for all these Engage extremely detailed guides! They've been good company, and also useful to make choices in my Hard mode run (which is being pretty easy, but also very fun!). Are you planning to go live anytime? Thanks for all the content ;D

[@jordanrogers9296]

I'm not sure if I'm the minority, but I definitely like putting Chloé into Wyvern for the defense growth it gives since her Speed growth is already super high anyways. Sure, the class skill isn't amazing but I think it's a worthwhile trade off for arguably one of the best potential units in the game.

[@alemfi]

@Linkking7 Eirika can boost the damage of a fist unit by a lot. In general, anything that boosts raw attack/damage, rather than strength or magic really benefits fists (so forges, engraves etc.) I might have forced it a bit, but Pandreo as a martial master could get up to 100+ damage on heavy defense units.

[@ahmedfalahy9337]

Yunaka's growths are great, I can't wait to turn her into an assassin later 😒

[@LAaronB10]

THE reason to use a Martial Master is because they are the only promoted class that is a Qi Adept. If you have been using the strategy of [bait an enemy with a heavy hitter protected by Chain Guard] regurally on maps, the only way to keep that strategy going is to have someone go into Martial Master. MM also have a lot more inventory space to juggle the various utility staffs, because unlike a high priest, they don't need to juggle 2-3 different tomes in their inventory.

[@hydrusalphy4654]

I hear this everywhere! Did I play a different game or something?! My Martial Master Framme had by far the highest damage output out of any of my units. She one rounded basically everything while like 70% of my other units failed to do the same.

[@Gaming.With.Success]

Thank you for the video. Martial Master is pretty useful class. As you said in the video there are many mages in the game so my girl Frame keeps kicking them (thiefs and archers) in the face quite often.

[@KnoxZone]

Man, I hear some people say Wolf Knight is a weak class meanwhile my Merrin hard carried me through fixed maddening. She's just such a beast. Dodgy enough to survive most everything while having the mobility to wreck havoc on enemy formations.

[@lanceareadbhar]

I'm sure this is useful, but I've only used the recommended advanced classes so far and it's worked out pretty well.

[@adamwilliams1378]

I'm new to fire emblem, and to be honest, this was a really good class review so I could understand the difference

[@FinalDragoon]

One thing you didn't really cover with Advanced Classes. A lot of them have a + weapon rank(C+/B+/A+). What does this mean? Well every character has an "Innate Weapon Proficiency" which is highlighted in blue on the class change page. If the + weapon rank matches the innate, it will bump up the weapon rank to the next tier. For example, Etie's innate is Bows, Warrior's weapon ranks are A Axes/C+ Bows, but if Etie becomes a Warrior then it becomes A Axes/B Bows. Gives a lot of options for reclassing characters.

[@LinkKing7]

I did kind of mention that at the beginning with the general tips, but I didn't really emphasize it I guess

[@deatherage9458]

Martial Master and High Priest have one super niche case that makes them really good alternative classes for Alear. Fortify recharges engage meter per ally healed so if you heal 5 allies with Alear as a High Priest or Martial Master you can recharge spoiler mode in a single turn so your carry can continue their rampage. Granted this strategy can also be done with Micaiah equipped to Alear and in the Divine Dragon class, it lowers the threshold to four allies that need to be healed. How do you reliably have 5 allies that can be healed at once? Mage knight or sages with Resonance inherited from Celica. Also Sages aren't inherently worse than mage knights, sages are what you second seal your healers to as you aren't really going to be needing all that many A or S rank staff users. The utility offered from staffs and the higher magic growth is meant to off set the fragility of sage. Also, with Canter + Olwen S rank ring, you can do sage ball strats and actually get use out of the passive.

[@ino_mation]

So, in a world where most deployments are limited to 12 at most, the strategy to make Sage viable is to make half your team a Sage instead of other more useful classes?

[@holycrapitsachicken]

@@ino_mation While that is a terrible idea, it's nice that the requirement for the Sage's Spell Harmony is just for your allies to use tomes. That's much more reasonable since there are quite a few units people would deploy that use tomes like Celine, Ivy, Hortensia, and Dragon Girl along with the High Priest and Mage Knight classes. So while half a team of Sages might be weird, half a team of units that have the ability to use tomes is not.

[@lorderoks]

honestly a huge issue for me is that folks don't have unique looks for "Canon" promotions. kinda makes them look terrible and is a huge step back for the series

[@sainaaron1595]

You had martial master wrong. It uses staves not magic. It’s meant to be an ultra support with staves, chain guard cuz they are Qi adept, and fists are nice for breaking the ranged weapons, knives and the strong mage bosses like griss being the main. Still hard to get into but Framme is more than serviceable in it the whole game. And Jean leans there nice if you don’t want him to be a crazy mage or something else

[@LinkKing7]

Wouldn't be a LinkKing video without a mistake I guess, but yeah, I'll pin a comment to correct the confusion

[@sainaaron1595]

@@LinkKing7 it's bound to happen with a new game. Every other point was pretty spot on imo. Great vid love to see early ENGAGE guides

[@bvrmnlol]

Another creator, @Varsona, made a video covering a martial master build that stacks on-hit effects on Chloe and using fists to quad. It's high investment and doesn't save the class from its shortcomings, but a cool build for turning an otherwise disappointing class into a niche death machine

[@Dumpsterfire9]

I'm always looking for good fe tubers. Totally subbing

[@LinkKing7]

Thanks for your support, it is very appreciated!

[@ckenshin3841]

Of the generic advanced classes that can use bows, Bow Knight has the highest magic. With also a C rank in swords its great for someone like Anna who can utilize Radiant Bow and Levin Sword

[@Wolfietjuh]

Thank you for the guide! Also I have a question if anyone knows. Can you freely access second seals and master seals in unlimited amounts, or are they finite? As in, I love playing fire emblem by turning all my units into mounted units (e.g. wyvern knights, griffin knights). Is it a good strategy? No. But it's just my personal quirk of how I enjoy playing the game. I know it's not always possible for me to do that in FE games, so I'm wondering if it is the case here. And if so, from what chapter on can I actively grind them all out? I've been reading mixed things online on how many and when you can acquire these seals, so yea.

[@geers1518]

After a certain point in the story, you can buy them at an unlimited amount from the item shop. Though this doesn't happen till late in the game.

[@ragunakaze742]

Finished the game once, i can tell you there is a point where seals are infinite but its lategame Like chapter 18 or something

[@ecsphysicsmako]

I switched Anna back and forth between Sage and Mage knight for a while before sticking to one. Surprisingly, I ended up liking her in Sage a lot more due to the Mystical subclass ignoring evasion terrain. I do think the Mage Knight is superior for non-carry units, though it's annoying to position a mage to take out an archer only to see you have like 8% hit because fort.

[@LAZERAK47V2]

Surge is your best friend against Covert units on terrain tiles. Mage Knight can make the most out of the tome, since the low range is offset by the unit's higher mobility. I always carry a Surge tome on my mages, just in case.

[@ecsphysicsmako]

@@LAZERAK47V2 I don't know how I never noticed Surge had infinite accuracy. I'd somehow kinda lumped Surge in with the training/slim weapons, as something to move away from when the unit can handle something better. I think I'd just made a Surge=Mini Bow in my head, but without the extra counterattack potential. I haven't used Surge since benching Clanne.

[@ultrametalsonic]

Instead of the unique master class for Alfred, I picked Halberdier and he became my most threatening unit to the point that I could just leave him to himself after getting Vantage (working on get plus plus) and wrath with a max upgrade K.Lance/ spear and he just eats then alive every time, high recommend if you don't want Muscle Man to be on horse back.

[@AkaTrios]

So I turned the Royal Knight into a Martial Master with Eirika equipped and he's honestly been killing it as MM. Helps that he starts of with annoyingly equal stats, but having a +Speed Brave Weapon with Eirika's damage bonus turned the mediocre in my run borderline unusable Royal Knight into an absolute powerhouse. Also helps that by end game, everyone automatically gets Arts prof.

[@holycrapitsachicken]

Bow Knight is only really good on characters with pathetic dexterity like Etie. I find Bow Knight is more of a player phase centered class. Essentially moving just outside of enemy range to then strike them on the following turn as they close in. It helps that the +40 hit also applies to the sword/axe/lance. +40 hit to a bow knight axe user is a pretty good deal. It's very good for all the low hitrate effectiveness weapons like Ridersbane, Hammer, Armorslayer, Poleaxe, and Hurricane Axe.

[@littlekuribohimposte]

I made Framme a Martial Master because I couldn't spare Celica or Micaiah to give her tome ability. And honestly, she's still mostly a staffbot, but can do decent damage if I want to break a magic boss for some free hits.

[@AlexT7916]

Am I the only one that feels like the skills for Sniper and Bow Knight should be swapped ? Bonus aim if standing still just doesn't make any sense for mounted combatants whose main advantage is mobility , and even if it isn't that much better on a sniper it still fits better with the concept of the class comparatively

[@SH1NK1R01]

not sure why they did that tbh but if they were swapped then sniper would need to be massively buffed as that skill is just bad in general. Bow knight get its value from its mobility and the access to a melee weapon. Sniper getting to crit 10% more often on enemies that cant retaliate keeps it useful. Without that its just worse than bow knight.

[@LinkKing7]

Bow Knight skill feels like it should be on Axe units instead

[@Muuhiro1]

the paladin skill, Pivot, is basically a skill from horses on chess

[@otakudaikun]

If you hit the cap on every stat in a given class, is there any point in leveling it up? That, and could you make someone a berserker, raise their stats up to the cap and then shift them to another class while keeping those high berserker stats?

[@LinkKing7]

You can do that yes, but you'll still be limited to that new class's stat caps regardless. But yes, you are correct, that is something you can do if you want to do it

[@otakudaikun]

@@LinkKing7 Interesting. So the moment I switched from berserker to another class with a lower cap, that stat would instantly drop? What if I decided to go back to berserker, would I have to level it back up to the cap again, or does the game keep track of those stats secretly like it does with your overall level?

[@LinkKing7]

@@otakudaikun No, if you switch the stats will just go up and down to match that class's growth increases and decreases, it won't go all the way back down to base. If you switch back the stats will go back to what they used to be

[@otakudaikun]

@@LinkKing7 That's pretty cool. Last question. Let's say I max out a given class' stats. Obviously I can't go past the stat caps of that class, but if I keep leveling up that class anyway, will I be wasting my time, or is the game still rewarding me stat growth I can use when switching to a class with a higher cap?

[@LoudWaffle]

Martial Master at least keeps the Chain Guard ability which is a really strong tool. Staves are always nice but I agree it overall falls short of other classes. It's most notable thing is that if it's using Lucina (well any Qi Adept, which is Martial Master or Dancer, so...), the proc rate for Bonded Shield is 100%, making it essentially a Chain Guard that doesn't damage you and blocks an infinite number of first attacks on adjacent units for that turn.

[@TheBobmBoy]

I'm not the only one who's looking at a certain area that I won't specify of the thumbnail girl... Right?

[@cinuxx]

The divine fist weapon is actually the best weapon in the game with Jean, the only unit uniquely suited to use it, also probably being the single best unit in the game. The Martial master class is balanced around these facts. The problem is that fists calculate damage by (str+mag)/2 meaning you actually get more damage from your stats with doubling/ crits. Which is a problem because Martial master gets no speed or dex growths. The solution? Reclass Jean into a griffin knight instead once he hits lvl 10 and switch back once you get the divine fists. You give up a lot of your bulk so you have to be more careful when you guard but in exchange you get a speed and dex growth every other level. By the end you can 4x hit with at least 1 crit almost everything. That's more damage than anything else in the game except maybe abusing hero backup and getting lucky. Easily hit 60 damage every time. Just can't take a hit unless you give him all your tank stat up items.

[@victorangelogabriel]

Im currently running hard on ch 10 and im wondering is it safe to unequip starsphere on the 2nd master seal after maxing out the first? Would there be negligible losses at that point? I maxed out my chloe after 10 lvls on pegasus knight then 20 on griffin (with starsphere on the whole time) and i she still dies on skirmishes. So i'm thinking of doing a 2nd master seal on her without and leveling without tiki. Is that fine? Or is the stat losses too great?

[@termina2737]

I did my first ever classic mode playthrough. Normal difficulty. My sword master Kagetsu was an absolute beast! I would say him and Alcryst (who I kept in his unique advanced class) were the two all-stars in my playthrough.

[@LinkKing7]

I didn't use Kagetsu myself, but Alcryst ended up being my MVP in my playthrough

[@AnT-ik1fh]

I'm really happy with both of those too!

[@lukasellier6091]

If we change class at lvl 10, our caracter will have less stats at the end, no ? Because he lost 10 chance to up his stats ?

[@LinkKing7]

Nope, because when you reach level 20 in that class, you can use a second seal to go back to level 1 in the same secondary class or even in another secondary class as well, so it's unlimited

[@shinnleammle8416]

hero with dual assist skill is one of my favourite

[@rubemartur8239]

Royal Knight is basically a Duke Knight from Ogre battle séries... They are Knights of heavy armor that have strong hability of healing.

[@ciarannihill]

I think an oversight that was made here (and granted it is a new part of the gameplay so I can see why the focus wasn't there) which is on the class types. You mentioned it briefly when it came to the Backup units and Armored, but the comparison of Sage vs Mage Knight is very stacked if you ignore both that Sages ignore terrain for hit % from being Mystical since it is the explicit tradeoff for the one extra movement they get and if you ignore that they get Staves which Mage Knight does not -- you also ignored Chain Guard from Qi Adepts which is honestly super useful when it comes to some of the later Maddening mode maps which will often have strong enemies with hefty break weapons which can be baited into a chain guard which can allow a unit to survive a hit they wouldn't have otherwise, and Covert units like Snipers getting double terrain bonuses giving them even more of an edge over Bow Knights.

[@CloudBomb3r]

I tried out Martial Master for fun, and while does have some perks, it's really underwhelming. It has no utility and is pretty much a dedicated healer despite not even being able to use S-rank staves. Its only good use is healing, breaking, and chain guarding. High Priest, I believe, is a top tier class. It makes excellent use of the Martial Monk's good magic stat growth, and while it cannot use tomes higher than B, it is not mitigated by high weapon weight.

[@khoaha6095]

I'm glad that they balance the classes compared to 3H. Mounted and Flying units have been nerfed to only 5-6 movement and no more Canto unless learned from Sigurd. Fist weapons are no more broken (remember how 3H War Master is a crit god). Too bad you can only use weapons available in that class. And they divide some classes into 3 weapon options which is ridiculous. 3H classes are more versatile. And once again, General class is still inferior. If they at least raise General Res growth a bit, they can be good. Too bad they are always overkilled by Mage and slow to the fact that no one gonna use them in end game. They are only good in early stages when there are not many mages. And the existence of Great Knight makes them more inferior. Royal Knight is basically Valkyrie class in Radiant Dawn. But since Griffin Knight can also use staff, has similar stat growth to Royal Knight and can fly, why would people bother to use Royal Knight?

[@demoreos]

Got it, so what your saying is that a Martial Master only run is the best way to play the game

[@LinkKing7]

Exactly. You've uncovered my secret plan

[@justinbader3885]

In support of martial masters, the fist weapons 1 shot most archers and mages, at least in my hard run on fixed stat growths. Chain guard is amazing, especially early. With the Def boosting shield art my martial master sits with 40 Def and 40 res making them some of the best all-round tanks in the game with decent speed for some dodge chance, staff utility, chain guard utility, break utility agaisnt mages and daggers, and decent damage against unarmourd foes. I find then to be exceptional, especially when it comes to soaking damage and healing themselves and their allies

[@sethoricalco1709]

Base classes are irrelevant, as soon as you get to level 10 you can advance class, then swap to any other class with a second seal as long as you got the weapon mastery required for that class, which also is incredibly easy to get since you can just level up friendship with the emblem that gives you the proficiency you require.

[@PhireandIce1999]

The good thing about Martial Masters is that they have good crit rates

[@toxicteapot7941]

This was hard mode, so I'm not sure how it works in higher difficulties, but Eirika!Jean has been doing some crazy damage for me. 25x2 into 25x2 on halberdiers and berserkers. He can't help with generals or great knights very much, but it hasn't been an issue since Ivy, Hortensia, Fogado, or Anna can all cover for that. Ivy and Hortensia can also heal up much more efficiently with Jean's Martial Master skill. He gets to chain guard again, and the front liners are topped off, too.

[@GinkoKara]

Just like to point out while I'm a type to grind, I think the biggest issue I have with promote at 10 is you just don't have the seals to do that. I feel you should promote those who are struggling over you good units.

[@LinkKing7]

Sure, but it's meant more as a "promote ASAP" kind of thing and not to wait until 20 like old school FE

[@GinkoKara]

@@LinkKing7 That is a better way of phrasing it then promote at lv 10.

[@VioletLunaChan]

I'm really annoyed how low the Mage-Speed caps are. Both Sages and Mage Knights cap at 30, are you kidding me? You couldn't even make it like mid 30s? Uegh. I hope we get some DLC Mage Class that has decent speed.

[@mr.panamaniac]

I was thinking of keeping IV the same class but after you mentioned Mage Knight that would be better cuz her 23 dexterity is garbage

[@KBKILLA52]

My Jean martial master slaps!! 4x attacks everywhere doing at least 15 per hit

[@KuroNekoNetwork]

General Class Hortensia is busted and virtually unkillable. I think we'll have to make a video explaining the build on our gaming channel

[@Ctrybpkm]

The best way to use Bow Knight I think is with the Sigurd ring

[@paulman34340]

"General" Nothing a Boot and Roy's "Advance" (Very Cheap SP wise) can't fix :) (Especially as you two natural choices, Louie and Jade join before 10/11) I've honestly found much use for the General Class. Found Louie can skip to Great Knight since he's already got the Defense, Jade on the other hand is noticable in this class. And I tend to use the only two Boots in the game (I have the Expansion Pass) IF and only IF I plan to have a General in the game and it's usually Jade because of her Axe Proficiency! That's IF I don't plan to have a Berserker or Axe Griffin Knight. If you get lucky with the HP, then Mage's no matter what unless the resistance is VERY low (something Jade won't see) then they should be fine (My Axe General Jade reached the Caps by the time 17 came around! I'll say she at least survived with full health Zephia's Soul Blade and the Levin Sword of her's at least! Feels like General in the hands of the Enemy can be annoying though (especially Marnie once she starts wielding a certain "boy Lord" since his sync ability is a BITCH when she's wielding it LOL) because they tend to survive a speedy STRONG Mage's attack with a silver of health! Engage REALLY doesn't want you "Solo-ing" characters and well to me, that's not a problem since I ALWAYS have character's backing each other up in every Fire Emblem Bow Knight I feel is more for it's Stat Growth's anyway, and it's class skill I found had it's use for "AXE" Bow Knights do to the low hit rate of Axes and some of the Bows and a few swords & Lances! I would have taken "Bowrange +1" over Careful Aim though, hell I'd take it if it still had the same requirement as Careful Aim (you can't move) as you turn regular shots into Longbow ones and Longbows into "mini Balista without the heavier damage" No need for Bowrange +2, but maybe that would be better on the Sniper, I'll say everytime (8th run so far! I only really play in Hard Mode anyway! Only run 5th was a Maddening Run....never doing that again LOL) I put Etie in this class, her Speed actually starts to grow (In Sniper it grows enough to prevent her getting DOUBLED when using a Longbow, that was a nasty surprise in my 1st run) where she's actually DOUBLING like alcryst (I tend to only have ONE of the Royal Archers in my party, if I choose Alcryst then Etie is a Bow Knight this run, if Fogado then she's a Sniper! I tend to assure I have ONE character able to use S rank weapons MINUS Arts and Staves as those are behind the paywall that is the useless Level 5 Donations! Hopefully alternative S rank Arts and Staves come in with Wave 4 maybe! The S Rank Staff was something stupid "Yeah lets create only ONE S rank Staff and put it behind Donations LEVEL 5 and put it behind the LAST kingdom to do that which you can't even BEGIN to donate to till pretty late for it to matter! And it's still a USE BEFORE BREAKING! Making it "Too Valuable to use!" And yes Merrin is the best! (Only competing with my Lapis LOL; And never competing with best "Waifu" Rosado!) and I love how the Wolf Knight is pretty much the SPEEDSTER of the ground mounted units! I like to put Amber in this class and Panette has done well in it (especially as strange but sweet she has Daggers as a Innate!) but none match the speeddemoness that is Merrin! Once I got Sigurd back, she became GOD once his paralogue was complete and she got Canter+ I actually jokingly shouted like Speedy Gonzales whenever he run around when moving her about! ESPECIALLY when I engaged Sigurd!) Yeah Sage is good for it's stats and Weapons profincies! Really the game GIVES YOU a powerful S rank Tome user around the start of the late game chapters who is far more viable for Nova anyway (You all know who it is). I do find use with Spell Harmony as I ALWAYS have at least one other Tome user anyway (Hortensia is a MAIN STAY as my pure Staff user! As in I give her a Status Staff's Physic/Fortify and the highest Heal staff I have! And give her Elthunder or Elwind...and that's IF I don't just give her NO Tome and have her wielding NOTHING BUT STAVES in her personal Promotion once it's Class Skill is unlocked) Relly it seems Spell Harmony is for characters like Citrinne to make her Powerful "one shot" magic more powerful to make up for her "chance of never making a followup outside of Olwen S rank Bond Ring and Thunder that falls out later on unless your Lindon who was the ONLY one I found a use for this for late game unless it's Citrinne who I just gave Soren or Celica, Celine who used it pretty early to not get her "too use" to Celica (got it RIGHT after getting Leif in current run and I already got what I wanted out of Celica anyway for Celine) but after getting Ike and then Soren (I refuse to do the DLC Divine Paralogues without first HAVING the Emblem Ring they have a connection to! So other then Tiki early on and maybe Veronica if I do a future run AFTER Wave 3, I ain't doing the others till then! I actually plan to stop around Chapter 11 and getting Lucina, Lyn, Hector and completing the girls Paralogues and then Soren and Ike's AFTER getting the Solm Royals simply to wait it out for Wave 3 before continuing! Or just completely Chapter 11 then FINALLY start playing Xenoblade 3! Got the game when it came out but it's been on the backburner since last summer, never touched it as I was too busy! So it's a good "time sink" waiting for Wave 3 and preparing for IT'S Wave 3!) Feels Weird that the Mage Knight is now the REVERSE of Sage. Strange (I'm just thinking back to Sacred Stones LOL) but yeah this class is where Clanne on the runs I use him ends up! It's like with Celine's Unique class they took a look at Robin and their Grandmaster class and thought "THIS IS HOW YOU MAKE A MAGIC KNIGHT CLASS!" I mean Celine's class is pretty much GRANDMASTER WITH STAVES! This is also a good class for Citrinne because the Class Skill can make up for the lack of Speed (Comes down to MORE POWER and Utility vs More Mobility and Fixed slightly Speed I confused as I found Martial Master to be a good Promote for Framme, either I got lucky growing her or never ran into a problem! Though I will agree the fact the S rank Art is behind LEVEL 5 DONATION (FUCK THAT 100,000 Gold! Sticking to Level 4 and that's THAT!) made me give up and really the ones who end up with Art weapons is my Divine Dragon Alear and Dancer Seadell (and at best he only has Shielding Art and Flashing Art to switch between Defense or Attack! Depends on if he'll do something meaningful beyond dancing in the Attacking case!) I wouldn't COMPLETELY dismiss Martial Master, but I will admit other then Framme and Jean, I don't think I'll be putting ANYONE in this class (And Jean I tend to be "creative" with him so Framme is the only one in this class) Class skill is lame and VERY situational! Yeah by that point you WILL have at LEAST one other staff user other then the Martial Master in the party (Hortensia, why are you not World Treeing her?!) but well "Fortify and Engaging Micaiah exists" so yeah Martial Master got SHAFTED HARD. I still got lucky EVERYTIME with Framme to make Arts viable till Seadell joins or before that I promoted Alear into Divine Dragon (NO Joke I REFUSE to take Alear down ANY CLASS but Divine Dragon, seeing as their the only DRAGON Unit and shut up those I know about to say something! I KNOW ALREADY! The class Skill is JUST to useful with Dragon Battle Style to see Alear ANYWHERE but that promotion and they WILL have the STR to make Arts useful! Leif Arm's Shield does WONDERS since Bows, Tomes and Knives are ALL weak to Arts!) But yeah usually I just have Framme become a Royal Knight (Fits better seeing as I wondered "why Vander's Squires aren't horse mounted? THE TWINS MUST BE ON HORSES! And playing Mauvier showed me Flame Lance is a good alternative! Framme was always balancing her STR and MAG with me and BLD was good along with SPD to not be DOUBLED! Far better then Jean who I have to WAIT before changing him!) Never really used Tiki with Framme to make it clear that Starsphere did nothing for me Thief might as well be IS combining Thief and Assassin combine! I'm guessing Pass was meant to be used in situations where the enemy SURROUND your Thief somehow (worse if it's with BACKUP units) to get out of a pinch as Chain attacks give TWO FLYING SHITS ABOUT YOUR AVO! 80% HIT RATE with a assured 2-4 damage and MORE if a Hero with Brave Assist and full health gets within range to chain attack!)

[@miorioff]

Martial Monk is underwhelming?! My monk 1shot last boss hp bar on maddening from 100% to 0% without any buffs, except probably few poison stacks. With the dancer it's hp 2 bars gone They hit like a truck for like 20x4, and damage is magic against armored targets and physical against mages, so they kill all of them. They can use most useful rods, like obstruct or immobilize AND they block a hit from an enemy which can save someone from certain death! They are so good! upd. didn't see your update comment at first, glad you changed your opinion a little

[@nekogirlbeth123]

I remember my Warrior Anna absolutely killing it my first playthrough, giving her Nóatún and Radiant Bow had her destroting everyone in her way pretty much the whole game, I think she's supposed to be an aptitude-type character done unconventionally. Speaking of aptitude-type, Jean became a beast as a martial master as I got DLC emblems and inherited stat boost skills, consistently doing over 25x2 doubles on armoured units. I also recently did a hard fixed run making everyone Mage Knights and for the love of me Madeline could not be made useful

[@kahseng111]

😂 any idea to fix build wrong character, i build Lady Anna to melee class than i find out she was good on magis class 😢

[@robertkruse4166]

The disregard for Framme's ability to trivialize the game BECAUSE of her martial adept base class and easy promotion to Martial Master leads me to realize that there is more to a class in this game and simply its ability, weapon type, and growth rates. If youre disappointed by martial master, i suggest trying it again with Lucina because 100% bonded shield and all the support options youll ever want easily make Framme S tier and thats purely because of her easy access to martial master. If shes allowed to level up, her magic and strength growths will result in her always pulling good damage from fist weapons in the late game

[@dudamoos]

I know you've addressed some of this already, but I think I've got a bit of substance to disagree with some of your points. First, I think Martial Master is better than High Priest because of Chain Guard. I immediately benched Pandreo because he couldn't do it. The other reason I don't think High Priest is that good is because it only has B proficiency in tomes, which kneecaps them in end game. That expands to a point I don't think you went into in the video: not all weapon proficiencies are created equal. For physical weapons you don't need much: C gets you killer weapons. B gets you regular silver weapons. A gets you specialty weapons. S is overkill and gets you weapons that are probably too heavy for most units. For tomes, though, I would consider A rank as the "silver weapon" rank. B rank tomes just aren't strong enough for end game. I may be a bit biased, though. In my first playthrough (on normal mode), Framme did serious work as a Martial Master. Even in chapter 21, I had to pick who I sent her against or there wouldn't be anything left to feed my weaker units EXP. She had more magic than anyone on my team save Ivy, and still had above average strength and speed compared to the rest of the team.

[@happyduke99]

I really like mage knight, if i face a high magic unit.....i axe them, if i meet a armor unit.....i nuke them lol Plus i ride a horse .....lol

[@teosto1384]

Having just started the game on my first playthrough I feel very confident about having TWO Martial Masters at my disposal, Jean and Framme. After hearing this analysis I feel like I should let Jean go some other route later on. To be honest, they'd be very much more viable and also thematically sound if they'd have an option to do some Qi fist shenanigans along with regular hit in the face, that would allow you to hit against the enemy's Resist or Defense, whichever you prefer.

[@ryanrj7500]

Martial master with flash fist on jean (if you have starsphere, give it to him...if you have edleguard also give to him) then give him +30 avoid. Now you have a healer that will dodge most things, and if he attacks first he will deal 200 damage...without crits. If you increase his crit on top of all that then you have Muhammad Ali as a healer (or maybe peak mike Tyson because if he initiates first, he is guaranteed to kill any boss, any enemy, anyone in 1 round). All the boosting mentioned above is simply so you don't need to worry about him dying when enemy initiates combat. Yeah its alot of babying, but with 2 stat growth boosts he will get there very quick. Then the hard part is getting him +30 avoid. I might have given mine boots too so he can go anywhere to heal or kill quickly. Always give him a rescue staff too. Just an all around fun character with a sweet hat

[@Namingway248]

imo it doesn't really matter whether or not thieves are doing damage because every hit where they manage to do at least 1 further softens the enemy up for everyone else. this and corrin's draconic hex are a really fun combo I feel, though it may not be the most efficient thing a thief can do with corrin

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

I've found Thief and Wolf Knight is a really really good class for funky reclasses. All the base Thieves are pretty anemic, but throwing a prior Axe Fighter, or say, Panette, into a Thief or Wolf Knight class is pretty good.

[@holycrapitsachicken]

Berserker is so painful in this game. The only good part about it's skill is that it helps you break enemies. If anyone didn't know already, if you smash an enemy into a weak or another unit, you break them. If anyone thought Generals had the lowest resistance cap in the game, think again. Berserkers have the lowest and not by a small margin being a mere 11 vs the General's 16. It also has the lowest dexterity cap in the game which is painful for two reasons. First reason being that axes are notorious for low hit rates so having the lowest stat for hitting things with only axes is a big OOF. Second reason is that some of the default axe users like Boucheron and Panette have enormous dexterity growth so there is a large chance of wasting some stats from hitting the cap too soon. I find myself relying on the +hit skill from Sigurd very often just to land some hits on the fast goons that always throws themselves into your face. Some kind of defensive skills, especially health based ones, like Laguz Friends from Ike's Engage, Hold Out from Roy, or Solar Brace from Ephraim Day mode engage is pretty much mandatory since they are ironically squishy in spite of their large health. It's funny how Vantage with Wrath ends up being one of the most viable skills to just try and kill them before they kill you. To top it all off, even though they have the highest health in the game, the chain attack concept literally chunks that off. Berserkers do have the largest strength growth by a large margin, but it definitely takes effort to leverage that enormous strength effectively. So it ends up being more of an intermediate class, as in a class you get into for the growths and then switch to a final class for the caps and better class skill.

[@bellgems4091]

Martial Master ONLY works if you can get character realy REALLY high stats. Something that really hard do sense that mean you need work someone like jean to max both magic and str. This class honestly sucks hard because nobody benefit this, anna more so but honestly why would you sense she off better as money maker high priest. lastly unless have final scroll from lvl 5 brodia donate and only have one focus on the martial it honestly strong if said person have the right stats but only for ONE person, like said this stems mostly late game anna, jean or anyone who has a balance stat between magic,dex and str.

[@AlexT7916]

19:33 What do you mean they don't have staff utility ?! They have A rank staves which allows them use every stave outside of the 1 time stave you get from donations

[@LinkKing7]

Yeah, I made a mistake, I knew it would happen and that's why I put a disclaimer at the start that I DO make mistakes 😂😂😂

[@drew_gon1617]

12:42 love how we’re eight months down the line and I think I finally found the use for Bow Knight’s no move skill, enemy phase tank, then hit with a smash weapon, preferably axe’s since they need the most hit fixing lol, you will need someone with a proficiency to get B rank for steel Is it weird? Yeah pretty much, but it’s a use! XD

[@rcommando1107]

For the Warrior if you have a S rank Claude bond ring you can get a 4+ range longbow so you can provide backup even more.

[@LinkKing7]

This is true, the chain attack range is ENDLESS

[@forgerofsouls9126]

Either I have gotten lucky with Framme as a Martial Master or you might have your math for Fist weapons wrong. Her damage output is on par with everyone else's in my army, even when they have more Str/Mag and heavier hitting weapons. But, as others have pointed out, the class is more utility than combat.

[@LinkKing7]

The math isn't wrong, so you probably had a blessed Framme

[@forgerofsouls9126]

@@LinkKing7 I do admit it does seem like she was blessed with a great str growth rate in my play through. As her Str is equal to her Mag. Both mid twenty at the moment, as I have not really grinded for levels.

[@jonunciate7018]

Martial Master got a huge bump thanks to Rextanking with Emblem Soren. Also, don't disregard the usefulness of chain guard. Otherwise, yeah pretty lackluster.

[@ShirakoriMio]

The absolute comedy of someone not knowing how terrifying chloé is as a martial master meme build lololololol

[@justingerry97]

Leif has all Martial proficiencies, between him and Micaiah you should be able to get all but fists, which is only needed for martial monk/Martial Master and High Priest. I would argue anyone you want to go into those classes will already have fist proficiencies.

[@Justic_]

oh wow, here I was class changing my units after they hit Lvl 5 on promoted classes all over the place, and only while watching this video do I realize that those skills are all class-locked... I was wondering why Vander didn't have Pivot in his skill list while other skills got added to the list instantly... just to see he lost them again when I checked just now... well, only reclassing for growths from now on...

[@pelleas2191]

I found the fact you can't change the class skill sad. But I really like how each class is a real class and not like 3houses. I agree about fist.... I will add.. You can only break if you do some damage. This Stat is so low, that you can do damage... So pointless. They didn't manage to make this weapon good...

[@tweezy5804]

Just watched that dude that has put 2000 hours into maddening . He put martial master right behind Mage Knight , S+ tier, very top of his list, like 2nd best class in the game.

[@sonictelephone1526]

Not finished this game yet. I'm guessing I'm about half way - on chapter 12. Loving it though. I find the story a bit basic compared to 3H, but the combat system is so fun.

[@Chietcom]

i love martial master, qi defense (or however its called) is absurdly strong. You basicly null a enemy attack and only get some minor chip dmg. Plus if you got the healing skill that heals yourself when healing you can use it alot and just provide a ton of support. Plus freeze, obstruct, warps, physics etc. defintly the best support with quite high defenses so you dont need to be afraid of dmg. (fist suck though)

[@jordankelly4684]

If you think fists suck then you're stupid and don't know what you're doing with the class. You can one shot the final boss with fists with little work around.

[@mycenaeangal9312]

I'm still reasonably early in the game, but are class skills learnable or are they locked to the class you happen to be in? Like if I take yunaka into wolf knight for hobble will she keep it if I go back to thief?

[@LinkKing7]

They are completely class locked, the only inheritable skills are the ones you can get from the Emblem Rings