I Bought a $300 Gaming PC on TaoBao

[@Monique-iz8lp]

I love how items from China packed in cheap cardboard always arrive pristine, but if you ship something to the next town over, it looks like it got ran over.

[@Jehty_]

I whish that Linus had talked about the packaging like he does in secret shopper 😂

[@joshjones5172]

The package gets shipped around to multiple distributers instead of direct, but it is the same garbage.

[@brycepsi]

Bro for real😂😭

[@spammerscammer]

I think people in China tear off pieces of their houses to package these. 😊

[@anton201003]

The Chinese 3rd party shippers often offer very cheap repacking, where they will pack your goods in larger boxes with the requested reinforcements. Great for consolidated shipments where you can ship several goods with cheap packaging in a sturdy shell, but definitely worth it for goods of this value as well.

[@zhikaichen4731]

To be fair, Taobao (China) is more like a combination of Ebay and Amazon. Wish is more like Pinduoduo in China.

[@Haxxy_]

As a chinese that made use of taobao a lot, this comment spitting facts.

[@tianzhumic4834]

exactly, even a lot of well-known brands (such as Intel, Asus etc.) sell products here

[@saltcutep]

And Temu is the Pinduoduo in North America lol

[@BadVibes9]

I have enjoyed taobao for yrs

[@phant0m92]

Yeah it's kind of a stupid comparison to call it Wish.

[@KalosLikesComputers]

This computer isn't just running "a cracked version of Windows 10 Enterprise", it's running Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC (it can be seen at around 10:00). It's a version of Windows without any Microsoft bloatware that isn't strictly necessary for the computer to run, and it's meant for servers. LTSC stands for Long Term Support Channel, and the support window is *10 years!* So this computer will get updates up to at least 2026, assuming that Windows 10 came out in 2016.

[@nekoni4414]

thank you so much for clearing that up, it confused me a bit when he said that

[@r.r.n8998]

Long term service channel isn't for servers That's what windows server is for Ltsc is for industrial, military, and hospital equipment

[@brandonakey6616]

There's a LOT of things Linus says that is just plain false.

[@JTBarrentine]

This computer isn’t just running “a cracked version of Windows 10 Enterprise”, it’s running Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC (it can be seen at around 10:00 ). It’s a variation of Windows without any Microsoft bloatware that isn’t strictly necessary for the computer to run, and it’s meant for servers. LTSC stands for Long Term Support Channel, and the support window is 10 years! So this computer will get updates up to at least 2026, assuming that Windows 10 came out in 2016.

[@MKFishing666]

I use a Microsoft office version called (Microsoft Office LTSC Professional Plus 2021) and it is working so good, and LTSC is for commercial and government customers (as per Microsoft website).

[@NeverlandSystemZor]

While the manufacturers surely HATE IT... I really LOVE the idea of "repurposing" old CPUs and making boards for them. ANY time we can create more use out of old hardware is VERY good for the environment AND low-cost options for people with low budgets or without other options.

[@d0nj03]

Not so sure about "good for the environment" if those old components happen to be power hogs like some older AMD CPUs.

[@MrMalum]

@@d0nj03 thats why west is disposing electronics to china and Africa. You know, because it costs less.

[@d0nj03]

@@MrMalum That's why China is no longer going to accept that kind of crap, as part of its environmental policies for 2030-2050. ;)

[@ValdikSS2]

@@d0nj03 This is true. I have my old home server on i5-4570, Z87 Killer mobo, and when it start handing frequently (turned out to be software issue), I've replaced it with Huanan board with E5-2680v3. The power consumption went about 2x from my previous setup (despite being rougly the same generation and age).

[@LesenundDenken]

I'm still rocking some tech from 2006. My laptop from then still makes an excellent word processor

[@liups2339]

In fact, for players in China (like me), seldom will we such computers. The Xeon CPUs were usually abandoned by western big companies, and then shipped to China as e-wastes. Some sellers will call such CPUs “i9 Level” to cheat those who are not familiar with computers. If we buy the components separately, instead of the already-built computer, it can be much cheaper and maybe more reliable. As for the NVME support, I believe the chipset and bios are modified. Anyway, it may be good for the environment ❤

[@bitelaserkhalif]

They're called foreign garbage motherboard IIRC (洋垃圾 主板) For NVME, just bios mod would do it, especially starting in Sandy and Ivy Bridge where it has UEFI boot. Before that, only legacy boot. Edit: oh, btw, for "why the x99 with b85 is ddr4/ddr3?". Because, after LGA 1366 and LGA 775, the IMC is on CPU, not on motherboard. Meaning, h310 can be tweaked to allow ddr3l (skylake+kabylake+coffelake has ddr3l IMC iirc). Also, 6th-9th gen mobo can be made combo ddr3/ddr4 board, so does the Alderlake (ddr4&ddr5 IMC inside)

[@awdrifter3394]

Some Chinese vendors are doing some interesting things with the CPU and chipsets. I looked into the Erying (尔英) motherboards with integrated mobile CPUs. But then I read about the weak VRM and the IHS they made didn't conduct heat well causing overheating. I just went with a normal desktop CPU instead.

[@KissatenYoba]

i had a similar problem with NVME. Turns out, cheap Chinese NVME SSDs can have compatibility issues (something about their chips) so BIOS just doesn't see them. You need to turn off PC's quick start in power settings and/or hibernation (can't remember off my head) and then start PC normally, by turning off and turning on, without restart (if you restart, PC just won't see the NVME). You are better off making sure that NVME has the necessary feature, though

[@jn6608]

The case is good enough. Is there a way we can buy them ?

[@LuoNiMa]

i9级cpu！ 军工级主板！ 航天级显卡8g超大显存！ That’s how those sellers says

[@moldo.cel.barbos]

i have a screwdriver exactly like the one they recived for over 15 years now. my mind is absolutely blown away to see that the exact model is still in use

[@Jazda1Jazda]

No need to reinvent the wheel I guess

[@Lex-of2wo]

I have that exact one as well. It's ancient and much better quality than the one Linus had.

[@SyntheticFuture]

There's so many things from 10 years and older still around 😅It's mostly because making molds is expensive. Making parts isn't. So once you have a mold you may as well keep using it until it literally breaks 🤣

[@TheSkcube]

​@@Lex-of2wocould be from the same mold that failed over time

[@bluephreakr]

The Communist way - _If it work now, why do better?_

[@ckh.joseph]

That motherboard still has features like on board power buttons, post code display and vrm heatsinks, yet premium boards nowadays don't even have these features.

[@Thatonefuckinguy]

That's how I feel about my cheap motherboard. Love that it has an error light you can google online and just easily narrow down the parts that might be installed wrong. Like when I had a ram slot issue but luckily I was only using two sticks.

[@Dodovacer]

Just wanted to type exactly that: While Linus is talking in the end, the machine has the glowing postcode... mocking us! :D

[@fleurdewin7958]

Yes. Now that you have mentioned. That cheapo looking no-name motherboard has POST code. In AM5, you need to spend close to $350 to get you POST code....How ridiculous it is

[@kettlesownchannelfinally2539]

yeah the 7 segment display in an entire computer cheaper than a modern board with a 7 segment display...

[@balakehb]

Motherboards have been a giant racket for years, I've had this gripe since the LGA 1155 era

[@HenriqueSilveiraSteinmetz]

These motherboards are not only popular in Russia. Here in Brazil, the so-called "xeon kits" are the only way for Brazilians to have decent hardware, at an affordable price.

[@ViktorKozh]

Yeah, if you look at reviews of xeons, huanans and laptop chips on desktop boards you'll always see brasilian and russian ones.

[@Hortifox_the_gardener]

Hardware in Brazil is a shit show. And I have no idea why they still keep those insane tariffs. The domestic brands are dead anyways. For a long time now. They even manage to cut their entire country out of the AI revolution or simply allowing talented poor people to become programmers.

[@mek101whatif7]

Thank you for telling us🙏 It's a hard to find such googlable words alone

[@confusinggameplays1687]

In Pakistan as well, we have to sometimes but Xeon kits as well and just pair it with a normal GPU and run it, and pray to God it keeps working.

[@HienNguyen-cs1md]

@@Hortifox_the_gardener It's Brazil lol

[@erikkarjala]

HDMI to VGA adapter included is essentially a memorial piece. And it's so thoughtful. Certain games i absolutely have to play on older monitors (CRT) are vga not hdmi. so the inclusion of this adapter is really like getting a stocking stuffer present. Very thoughtful of them.

[@erikkarjala]

Also waasnt there a video where you bought a super expensive PSU testing machine thingy ma doodad? run this PSU thru that doohickey

[@klaushipp1207]

its More like there is a warehouse in China as big as Montana filled with uncountable amounts of VGA Adapters and micro USB ports. They cant be recycled, burning them would warm the planet about 2 degrees.. so they will slowly use and sell them over the coming generations. Bought a fridge? Here is your VGA Adapter.

[@Moesuito]

Well, here in Brazil, these Chinese X99 kits are extremely common. This movement started almost two years ago due to the inflated prices of hardware in Brazil, with high taxes. Importing these items from China comes with much lower taxes. While a kit with an AMD Ryzen 5 5600 would cost around R$ 1,650.00 (CPU + MOBO + RAM), a kit with Xeon costs around R$ 530.00-three times less than the price in a third-world country. The choice becomes very obvious.

[@nekoni4414]

is there like a specific term to this upcycling of these chipsets? i want to read more about it but can't find much sadly, or i'm not searching with the correct terms

[@bitelaserkhalif]

Shanzhai Zhuban "山寨主板" (Cottage Motherboard), Yáng lèsè "洋垃圾" (Foreign Garbage)@@nekoni4414 Shanzhai is usually used for knock off products, Foreign Garbage refers to story of ex servers part out. It also applies things outside of motherboard, you name it, "New rx 580", some chips that turns out to be out of specs, knock off phones (fake iphones), and game consoles.

[@drek9k2]

I have to ask, Brasil is third world? How? Really? Idk, I keep seeing such mindblowing stupid shit in the States on one hand I do understand I have an allegedly functional society and economy with not too many houses exploding from bad infrastructure, at same time, I mean I see people living in tents. Also you get used to getting shot fears, I probably won't be shot due to not doing crime, but if it happens not much I can do about it. We do have Medicaid tho, so, if you are poor enough you can ironically get healthcare.

[@darthpotwet2668]

Brazil is second world because of it developing economy (in schools now it would be called an NEE)

[@darthpotwet2668]

Brazil is second world because of it developing economy (in schools now it would be called an NEE)

[@EanaHufwe]

In case you’re curious what the red sticker on the GPU is about, It just says “Plug in the GPU power cable →“

[@GodlikeIridium]

Lol thanks for the translation! Apparently, in the people's republic of china, since propaganda is more important than useful knowledge, such stickers are needed 😂 To be fair, just like the "Do not dry pets in microwave" ones in the US 😂

[@epoggg3672]

@@GodlikeIridium No, its just idiot-proofing, same thing western companies do. For example the peel off sticker beneath a cpu cooler

[@tatwood93]

@@GodlikeIridium Seems like you might be the one valuing propaganda over useful information here. Lmao.

[@ShinyWasTakenTwice]

@@GodlikeIridium I hate the CCP as much as the next guy but this is such a stupid comment

[@Laoguang09]

​@@GodlikeIridium This sticker is for people who have 0 idea about computers, not for people who watch LTT videos.

[@raka1996]

That... that's not bad, that turned out to be even more interesting instead Certainly better than those seller that just put 'i7' and 'GTX' for $600 while omitting the generation

[@呀咧呀咧]

Fr

[@trashandchaos]

If I was on a really tight budget I think I'd be stoked to have something like this, personally.

[@itsTyrion]

recently saved a friend of a friend from such a purchase. The i7 and "nvidia 10 series GPU" in question were a first gen i7 from 2009(2010?), paired with a 1030.

[@madalinradion]

​@@itsTyrionscammers doing scammer things, lying by omission is still lying at the end of the day

[@Norheath]

shout out my uncle who paid 800 dollars for an i5-6400 and a gtx 750-ti in 2023

[@the_bopler]

My mom and I are Chinese living in the United States, and my mom ships things over from Taobao sometimes. She bought tons of Chinese snacks and things, and one time, i chose out parts for a keyboard! Every time it arrives in pristine condition, since my mom has friends who owns a warehouse that can ship things over. For the keyboard nerds out there, the kit was a CIY GAS67 keyboard kit, a KTT Kang White switches, and a macha keycap set to match the green on the keyboard kit. It cost less than $40 in total, plus shipping. It's a good deal for those who has the time and patience to research and wait for the shipping.

[@ulfricstormcloak7142]

Wow, that's super cheap. The barebone GAS67 itself cost that much in my country Do you have a link for that?

[@the_bopler]

@@ulfricstormcloak7142 um, I’m not sure, I used the taobao app on my mom’s phone and looked for the cheapest one. Plus, you will have to get it delivered by a different carrier because taobao doesn’t ship outside China

[@MARCH_7THMYWIFE]

@@ulfricstormcloak7142 这都是习以为常的事了。而且你要知道，我最近刚花了62美元配了电脑，由E5+P106 6G组成，可以玩LOL\PUBG\GTA5，这在世界上任何一个国家都是难以置信的吧 This is all commonplace. And you have to know that I just spent 62 US dollars on a computer, which is composed of E5+P106 6G. I can play LOL\PUBG\GTA5（HIGH QUALITY）. This is unbelievable in any country in the world.

[@ZaJaClt]

@@ulfricstormcloak7142 yeah the chineese kid's working 14hr shifts approve :)

[@wa9140]

@@ulfricstormcloak7142 in china,diy GAS67 is about 150 - 200yuan(20＄-28＄) in taobao，The trouble is that you need a Chinese friend, preferably familiar with how to send the goods to a foreign country.

[@mikeloeven]

11:50 and people still wonder why the first thing I do when I set up a new computer for a family member is format the HDD and install a clean OS even if it comes preloaded

[@TuncayAyhan]

"Velly good" 4:40 caught me off guard

[@BunkerSquirrel]

Ok shoutout to the guys who make chipset up-cycling possible. That is genuinely cool as hell and a pretty big W for the environment

[@reuven2010]

Haha, trust me they don't care about the environment, it's just a way of poor countries to deal with issues.

[@patrickchang9135]

Yeah, communist countries absolutely do not care about the preservation of nature

[@npw9648]

@@reuven2010 recycling only works when its value for money, so I guess its a good thing

[@jackieAZ]

True!! Such an awesome repurposing of old tech

[@chrisbaker8533]

Yeah, as long as you don't consider what happens to the rest of the board after they remove the single chip from it.

[@4RILDIGITAL]

Even though this "Frankenstein" of a computer might not be for everyone, it's heartening to see technology find a second life in unexpected ways.

[@dchubb42]

The RAM is not from a price of network gear but clearly labeled as coming from a Cisco UCS system. Likely a B200 or C220 server. Peel off the red sticker and lookup the part number starting with "UCS-MR-..."

[@davidbova1759]

it sometimes surprises me how little Linus knows about enterprise IT

[@Anthony-jw8ig]

I'm currently using a X99(C612) board with two Xeon E5-2696 v3 CPUs, 128GB of DDR3 RAM, RTX 2080Ti (modded memory chip to 22 GB for better llama model inferring) and an extra 4-port 1Gbps network card. Cost about 5000 Yuan, built with the help of my friend in China. Pretty cool 😎

[@podioforge000]

36 cores and 72 threads. I imagine you would have a lot of sleeping cores while gaming. but still impressive. would be good for a single pc family gaming setup. sure that would need some extra steps to route keyboards, controllers and workspaces

[@qingyufeng8423]

that's really cool,Chinese are quite good at modifying some hardware with special usage scenarios.

[@masonswansonMTU]

It's possible Tanner was having trouble getting into the bios with a USB keyboard because he was trying to use the USB 3.0 slots. Depending what controller it uses and how it communicates with the chipset USB 3.0 may not be active until the desktop. It's like this on a few of my AM3+ motherboards and is disclosed in the motherboard manuals.

[@LuizHartkopf]

Being honestly I kinda like that they found a way of making money repurposing old chipsets, it helps bringing down e-waste. And honestly those “old” xeons are amazing more plex transcoding and running a Minecraft server 😂

[@talon262]

For Unraid media servers, Xeon/Chinese X99 combos are cheerful and cheap.

[@MARCH_7THMYWIFE]

hahaha， 我的电脑只要62美元，由E5+H81+P106-6G组成,可以高品质玩LOL\PUBG\GTA5\GENSHIN

[@MARCH_7THMYWIFE]

@@Theunicorn2012是的，我花了70美元组装了E3+P106的游戏主机，能够畅玩CSGO\PUBG，尽管我的银行卡里躺着200万左右的现金，但这种捡垃圾的组装电脑真的让我很兴奋Yes, I spent 70 US dollars to assemble an E3+P106 game console, which can play CSGO\PUBG. Although I have about 400,000 US dollars in cash in my bank card, this kind of garbage-collecting computer is really useful. I am excited

[@UltraAlex2000]

I am currently tinkering with one of these X99 boards, got a whole combo with 16 GB of RAM and a Xeon E5-2640 v4 for €54. For that price, this little machine seems to be able to handle quite a bit while having a max TDP of just 90 W for 10 cores/20 threads. Meanwhile the best deals i could get here in Europe were 6th gens i7s for €170 from eBay. Seeing 8.5k multicore in R23 from a system that costs less than a nice pair of shoes is wild. Aside from using it as a beefy virtualization machine, I want to see how it fares with game streaming with Moonlight/Parsec, so I'm gonna put a nice GPU in there. I will edit this comment once I do so.

[@lemiath]

would love to hear how it does with emulation paired with a decent gpu, if it could run some ps3 emulated titles at 30, that would be very impressive.

[@raular5513]

Doesn't it consumes a lot of power?

[@staa7731]

@@raular5513 another good thing about server boards are that they are made to be "energy efficeint" you dont need to worry about power really unless you put something like an rtx 3080 in there

[@Lord_RoadRunner]

i picked up one of these repurposed board combos myself, definitly alot cheaper option than picking up anything else. but havnt ran it yet as the cooler i got dosnt actually support the socket...

[@nicknamenick9448]

poor one core performance comparing even with new i3/ryzen 5 5500 processors

[@AlexanderVonMalachi]

1:38 bro callex RMB "Yen" 💀

[@HuyTrần-c5m]

He called it "yuan" which is how chinese people refer to RMB

[@AlexanderVonMalachi]

​@@HuyTrần-c5m I hear him saying "yen"

[@renankataoka3886]

This set is quite a thing in Brazil. The cheapest way to get into gaming was to import from Aliexpress a X79/X99 Xeon kit with motherboard and 16GB Ram from around $50 and then adding a graphics card used for mining, also from China (mostly RX580s or modified RX6600Ms). Pretty reasonable way to build a $150 entry gaming PC. Performance is not the best, but price/performance ratio is unmatched.

[@prod.0168]

Só assim pra gente estar na comunidade 😢😢

[@nodcep]

I actually built a micro atx server with the x99 chinese mobo. It's solid. Paid more for the damn noctua fan to fit in the case then the motherboard itself

[@711jastin]

i would go for 10$ LGA1156 cpu+mobo combo, 10$ 8x4 ddr3 for RX580 build.

[@drek9k2]

@@711jastin I mean there are potential latency issues, for a 580 2x8gb should be "fine." I'd more see 4x4gb being the reason to populate all DIMM slot and just keep 16gb going, not it matters I guess you're not overclocking DDR3.

[@711jastin]

@@drek9k2 I used to run the exact setup with gtx1080, it's fine.

[@linsdudu]

The AliExpress Xeon X79 and X99 kits are widely used here in Brazil. They are super affordable and perform great! I'm using a Machinist X99-K9 motherboard right now with the same E5-2680 V4 processor you show paired with an RTX3060. I have another PC with an X79 motherboard with E5-2667 V2 and GTX1070 that I built about 2 years ago. Both booting out of Gen 3 Lexar NM620 NVMe drives (also from AliExpress)

[@luamebe]

Sim, os kits x99 são bons demais, porém os americanos simplesmente veem que eles são oriundos da china e já assumem automaticamente que eles não rodam nem a calculadora, usei um kit x99 por 1 ano e meio e nunca deu problema

[@estudio_lebare]

@@luamebe Estou montando um estúdio e vou utilizar um X99 aqui para edição de audio, video e até pra jogar. Vou colocar no meu canal agora no inicio do ano a montagem e a solução de alguns problemas que eu tive... se você tiver interesse, da uma passadinha la!

[@FFXfever]

That last acknowledgment about availability of office towers in your domestic market is very important. It's my same criticism in the ltt don't buy low end gpu video as well. Not every country has good entry level pcs, often needing to import second hand products to even hope of affording a computer. Aliexpress been a huge deal in accessible entry level pc for many European and Asian region in the last 7 years.

[@Dr.Spatula]

What do you want them to do with a GTX 980 or Radeon 380 that you haven't seen before?

[@reuven2010]

Bah, no point to go so old on GPU. ATM you can get an RX580 for around 60 ish dollars (USD) which is very good on a budget!

[@Dr.Spatula]

@@reuven2010 my point is even more relevant with 10 series and rx500

[@deividasma7343]

@@reuven2010 Used RX580 8GB/ 1060 6GB in my eurotard country atm is 70-100Euro ofc its definitely been mined on 90% of the time Hell im lucky with my country having a good used market compared to my neighbours that have only old laptops and almost no pc parts in their used market to point i sometimes get stuff and send to my friends from here for their builds People here are flipping the systems with 580/1060's quite a lot and old office pc market here is non existent due to government regulation of recycling / destroying any used pc from their offices. I worked in IT for one of the gov places for a tad bit and they have goldmine of old pc's just collecting dust but will not part ways with them due to contracts/policies and to be honest it was hard to watch systems with mid range gen 3/4 intels going into the grinder. There are not that many massive privately owned companies here and most that are use IT service providers that do all maintenance type of work and hog these old systems for themselves and actually resell them for quite a bit after minimal cleaning. Old ThinkCentre, Optiplex and ect systems with stuff like i-630 and ect are listed here in our Amazon equivalent of mass reseller for minimum of 100Euro However if you have connections you could get a hold of one for like 40-60Euro or maybe less if lucky with same spec from some dude So boards like this from Aliexpress are somewhat compelling but at that point you might scrape up new mobo+cpu+psu combo for like 200Euro and grab some used mined card and pray it works for pc build and not risk reseller respecting the warranty But on tight budget you could do it due to the fact they have sockets for cpus that are flooding the market and are really cheap due to most of the boards dying faster than the CPU's.

[@gogereaver349]

or the parts are so dam expensive thanks to import duty's taxes and even tariffs. so say we pay 1000$ for a high end pc it would be like 5000 for them. of course they look to find cheap hardware that can still preform.

[@wraphs]

here in brazil hardware is expensive and companies tend to hold on to old computers until they become useless, so importing these frankenstein motherboards and computer parts in general is a pretty good deal

[@halvarf]

That was a really interesting look into this second tier market and the ingenuity that goes into combining used parts to get incredible bang for the buck.

[@gilramos5767]

I work for a recycler and we sell ECC/Server RAM in large lots to Chinese buyers. Was wondering what they were doing with those things.

[@s.i.m.c.a]

If it going to China - 99% it would be repurposed and sold on taobao or aliexpress back with higher price tag.

[@qingyufeng8423]

In fact, using server RAM in pc is very common in China. Because of the use of these hardware, you can even assemble a desktop computer with not bad performance for less than thirty dollars.

[@Hittares]

These kinds of motherboards are quite popular with the home server crowd. It gets you cheap and easy to find platform for older server CPUs that have literally zero value for actual commercial applications, but are still really really good if you want to run your own server, for example, to learn and experiment with IT systems that need a ton of RAM and cores to function properly - networking sims (like GNS3), different flavors of virtualization, databases. In such applications the compute power of a single core is (almost) irrelevant if you are not actually planning to run whatever you tinkering with in a high-load environment, but you still need a lot of parallel computing ability and RAM to get by. You can, of course, buy old enterprise-grade server. But, they are incredibly loud, to the point where it's genuinely uncomfortable to even be in the same room while they're operating, and huge and the motherboards in them generally won't fit in any consumer case - so no easy fixes for those problems are available.

[@liups2339]

Indeed. I am using a retired Dell Poweredge T620 as a NAS in my home, filled with second-hand SAS drives. They are relatively cheap, but use a lot of power😢.

[@piscikeeper]

@@liups2339 I've been looking to upgrade from my T410 to a 6 series. Luckily I have a dedicated room in the basement for computers, so noise and heat are non-issues. I picked up one of these Chinese boards so I could put one of my server CPUs after an upgrade. Runs win10 steady as a rock with a 1070ti for graphics.

[@pauloazuela8488]

@@liups2339 Yeah but imagine if we advance in power generation like fusion reactors to provide electricity that power draw problem wouldn't exist :(

[@kilntran3969]

indeed power efficiency would be a problem. They can't beat those low power Intel NUC for example, if you care about monthly bill electricity cost@@pauloazuela8488

[@davidconsumerofmath]

Thanks, that explained it really well for a good use case as to why I should get these!

[@BlankDolphin]

0:07 did they really just show a PC shipping to Antarctica

[@DanielCrist]

How do you think all the scientists in Antarctica make all the penguin science?

[@mrmoose6765]

They snuck a few other things in if you pay attention. 1:33

[@TheTrooper7]

Ya wtf

[@asuraphreak]

It does happen. They do have researchers there.

[@ribbonmusha]

I mean, how did scientists in Antarctica do science things on snowy, featureless land of nothing? They would need a PC for that.

[@lefthornet]

Good video. Just one thing, the computer was 2000 Yuan not Yen (is the Japan currency). While Yuan (officially Renminbi is the China currency)

[@frankliang9298]

1:00

[@Hendlton]

I'm guessing he didn't know how to actually pronounce it so he went with "Yon."

[@lefthornet]

​@@HendltonFair, probably was that

[@AndyAlert]

I think you messed up your parenthesis placement.

[@UnderscoreUnderscoreUnderscore]

2,000 yen as of writing is US$13.38, should be around 10-20 dollars in the usual exchange rate, that would be a truly impossibly cheap laptop, only enough for the acrylic case here.

[@mrwalley4539]

As a Chinese audience, one thing I really dislike about Linus is that when he mentions Chinese electronic products or makes reviews, he will buy loads of products on Chinese websites that even the Chinese themselves think are low-end, in order to conform to the most stereotypes about China. The fact is that China, like many countries, is keen on high-quality and excellent products. These low-end products only exist to allow more low-budget customers to buy them. The fact is that quality products can be purchased in China, and even better priced products

[@awdrifter3394]

There's no difference between the Chinese market GPU and the NA market GPU. It doesn't really matter if he buys a Yeston RTX4080 vs an Asus RTX4080. But no NA vendor will take old server CPU and old server chipsets to make a salvaged parts PC. That's unique from the Chinese vendors so that's what gets views.

[@MrToast101]

Also he does say that its budget many times and also he is saying that its not half bad for the price and the point of these videos are kinda just to show the ”low-end” websites…

[@toolzgalore2]

This was a fascinating video about how choosers can be repurposed and how there is a whole community behind doing these modifications. Thanks for doing the leg work!

[@minghaoxu1669]

taobao(mainland china) and taobao(worldwide) are 2 completely different things, imo taobao(worldwide) is just another aliexpress

[@N8DZN]

I didn't know that I thought it changed the currency ( estimate conversion )

[@pwkn86]

Yeah taobao mainland is awesome they also sell legit products.

[@AquaticOni]

@@AlmightyBeing It's easy to use the main taobao with an agent. they speak english and do everything for you

[@あなた以外の誰でもない]

the taobao worldwide is just an oversea version with better shipping policy

[@AquaticOni]

@@AlmightyBeing that works too, but usually the agent websites translate the page for you and everything.

[@kawag2780]

Modified BIOS is common for older chipsets like B75, Z77, B85 and Z87. Adding nvme boot support is pretty easy as well. Still have an old Sandy Bridge system kicking around because I was able to get nvme boot running onmotherboard from that era.

[@MrGedem]

Xeon V3 bioses can be modded to 100% uptime turbo boost, limited only by max tdp limit in cpu itself. Also undervolting often can be done only with bois tweaks. Also some bioses can be tweaked to open memory timings overclocking.

[@bitelaserkhalif]

Samsung 950 Pro is oddball, they have option rom for legacy boot@@JoeBloggsKZbin

[@NOATHEBOA92]

Here's something I'd like to come back, Scrapyard Wars. I absolutely love the whole series and I think it would be interesting to do in today's market.

[@ecalz2100]

I think Linus said something in WAN show about Scrapyard Wars is coming back. Not sure if it's 100% correct.

[@chrisandrews9856]

​@@ecalz2100He did indeed

[@souravthebeast]

bruh, are you crazy ?? 13:59

[@刘家锦]

some additional information from a Chinese friend here Typically Taobao is more like a giant grocery store, we would not prefer to buy any electronic gadgets from it (not for any tech enthusiast) unless it is a store opened by a very famous influencer. (like LTT, it's not common for influencers in China to set up a website just for spelling merchants) There is another platform called Jindong we use to buy tech stuff, and big companies' official store is often set up in JD as well (eg. intel, Asus, gigabytes, Ugreen, Seagate, western digital, and so on) And we prefer to build our computers than buy an already built system like this because there are lots of sellers who use almost broken parts to build systems and sell them at a high price for profit (like this time) once a customer gets tricked they quickly close their store change a name and start selling again and this happens on all platforms I'm not sure if you are tricked or not this time That old Xeon CPU in China is called garbage(costs around 60～70 bucks each, which is around 10 dollars) because it's most likely to be used in rough conditions, and also GPU probably came from a mining farm it's not just used parts, it's a bomb that will explode at any second

[@FaithsFallen]

LTT needs to get a European distro, I was going to purchase a hoodie when the shipping was added and only 10$ cheaper than the hoodie itself I said no way!

[@armando1is1great]

Don't know if that would even help. I'm on the west coast United States, was gonna go for the 10 dollar mousepad but shipping was 20 bucks. Just said forget it

[@inhumanguy]

it's not any better in canada...

[@FaithsFallen]

@@inhumanguy they need to sort their logistics out worldwide, it seems!

[@FaithsFallen]

@@armando1is1great So many lost sales in bad logistics, they need a decent logistics partner to rectify it. I can literally get a $2k guitar (5kg) shipped and insured from the USA to Ireland for $30 USD (removing in import costs). A hoodie/mousepad should be $10 max.

[@Mergatroid]

Linus was confused by it supporting NVMe. I had an HEDT Broadwell chip (since consumer desktop didn't exist for that generation). As far as I know, Broadwell was the first generation to natively support NVMe. My i7-5820K supported it, and I'm not surprised that this random Xeon supports it. It's a super interesting generation with a lot of unique and weird in-between stuff which makes it feel modern even though it's basically just Haswell. CORRECTION: Anywhere I said Broadwell in here, I meant Haswell Refresh (generation names are confusing)

[@urgay1992]

Haswell refresh was the first intel generation to support NVMe. I know because I had an i7 4790K in a Z97 ASrock Extreme4 with an NVMe SSD in 2014. It only had a PCIe gen 2 x2 link though.

[@urgay1992]

Also, the 5820K was haswell refresh, not broadwell. The broadwell HEDT chips were called the i7 6800K/6850K/6900K/6950X. Actually, broadwell had some non-HEDT consumer chips as well, the i5 5675C and the i7 5775C but were not very impressive. Intel also made broadwell mobile processors.

[@Mergatroid]

@@urgay1992 You’re right, my bad. It was Haswell refresh that first supported NVMe. I was confusing the generation names (and they’re architecturally almost the same anyway I guess). But thank you for the correction.

[@Dr.Spatula]

Old Xeons are super solid if you can get them at this price. V2 and later are even overclockable

[@Pasi123]

@@urgay1992 The mainstream desktop Broadwell i7-5775C and i5-5675C had huge 128MB L4 eDRAM which helped quite a bit in some games. It was kinda like the spiritual predecessor to AMD 5800X3D

[@itsjustsomeguy.]

7:00 Why did I think this was an extra long super ram? It's two sticks but I thought it was one...

[@lazer1036]

I did too 💀

[@Ahlurglgr]

1:44 it yuan, not yen. Yen is Japanese currency

[@windowsvista3193]

14:26 personally the Lenovo ThinkCentre M58E is my favourite computer, really easy to get into and really easy to repair

[@zeekjones1]

I love custom motherboards from recycled parts, just goes to show how much a little tinkering can do. In custom boards like this, it's created an entire secondary market. We need more recycling markets like these.

[@OCDaddyZsolt]

I'm surprised you missed the opportunity to plug the LTT screwdriver, when talked about that cheap piece it came with :)

[@ChairmanMeow1]

Give them credit, they make their resources go a long way. And they definitely harvested Cisco servers for parts. The version of Windows used is actually Windows 10 Enterprise, which is for networking in businesses like at a college, a hospital, etc. Plus the Cisco ram and Xeon CPU... hmmm.

[@Larroseba]

1:38 I think you mean Yuan, 2080 Yen are actually less than $14 USD.

[@saskmuddinatv]

I've personally gotten some great stuff from Taobao. I had it shipped to my friends in Hong Kong, and then they shipped to me in Canada.

[@R.K_Chalkboard]

5:00 I surprised they didn’t promote their own screwdrivers.

[@korosaki13]

No way, your telling me Intel chipset had more intercompatibility than they were making out to be... NO WAY!

[@Versette]

😆 They just don't want it to work so they can get more money, it's part of the product strategy. If you think about it in more technical detail, it's mostly the same hardware with a few exceptions (if talking about chipsets), just intentionally adjusted to what they want.

[@mateuszzimon8216]

I wanna remember u paywall ECC on some generation of xenon's

[@Chukilled]

I love how at 9:20 Linus states "Oh no, it's in Chinese." Now I'm not from China, but I believe they speak either Mandarin or Cantonese. I understand it wasn't with any malice, just something a lot of us Canadians aren't unaware of.

[@tacoin]

For some reason, there are still plenty of people use X99 w/ E5-2666V3 in China today. A ￥20 CPU and ￥170 motherboard, so lots of people can afford it.

[@wkdpaul]

Yen is the Japanese currency, Chinese currency is Yuan, or Renminbi.

[@lax_booster]

I‘m honestly shocked as well seeing how well the E5-27XX v4 CPUs handle games. Especially when backed with a RX 5700 XT or something similar. I honestly have a hard time getting the fans to ramp up (not including the one that now doesn‘t know what it has to do after I installed some Noctuas) in games even though I run them cranked. It‘s funny how 300€ or dollars can get you 8 cores at 3.5 GHz, 32 GB of DDR4 RAM and a decent GPU nowadays if you are willing to get into the used parts market.

[@reuven2010]

Yeah for sure, you can get an rx580 from ali for somewhere around 60$ which would allow you to game pretty decently on a budget, i am happy that they can somewhat game despite having low currencies and etc/

[@MarkusHobelsberger]

I only buy used hardware nowadays, only exceptions being PSUs and mechanical hard drives. You have to think about it like cars. You will pay a hefty upcharge if you buy new.

[@Ziift]

I love these videos where you guys find 'odd' hardware. They are my favourite videos from you!

[@derrydobbie8375]

I went with the Machinist X99 boards for my homelab mainly because they sell as bundles with the CPU and ecc ram on eBay. I now have a 3 node proxmox cluster with high availability fail over and 36 TB ceph SAN and a reasonable 430W idle power draw for the whole rack. When I was running a threadripper in the stack, thay specific node on it's own was drawing 450W idle. Since I only really run game servers with a small number of users, this was perfect for me and a great use case for this retired hardware. May be able to do it cheaper with other used server hardware, but each node requires only one purchase/shipping per bundle and I was able to use off the shelf 120mm cooling so my homelab is also QUIET. Used server gear is often noisy as hell which is a no go in my humble condo.

[@kesqe]

Using Xeon's and those modded motherboards for gaming is pretty popular in Poland. You can get Xeon's as cheap as $5, the motherboards are like $50. These make killer budget gaming pc's paired with like an RTX 3090 and 64 GB's of RAM.

[@TomiWebPro]

igen

[@chenseanxy]

That'd make a killer home server with hardware transcoding support ngl

[@alanmoore78]

I may have moved past this era of computing in my main PC but my kids are still running old X58 systems I built many many years ago. X79 motherboards are still being made as well as these X99 motherboards, and they sure do provide another world of computing outside of the Intel P/E core and Ryzen genres. At some point I'd like to build one of these X99 systems with the DDR4 ECC memory, speedy 6 core (E5-2643 v4 or E5-1650 v4) or 8 core (E5-2667 v4 or E5-1680 v4) Xeon, and see how well it runs with something like a 5700XT or 2070 Super. My untested and unproven opinions/theories on this X99 thing are that those high clockspeed 140 watt CPUs I'd want to use will heavily tax the meager CPU power provided from these bargain basement boards, and I even wonder how well the 120 watt E5-2680 v4 shown in this video would have clean power at all times. Definitely would want a better PSU to even try it, and would also want to run a beefy top-down cooler to get some cooler air over the VRMs. I might even go so far as to even run the top case fans as intake to bring in as much cool air as possible.

[@Minnieal28]

There are some boards that have dual power plugs, AsRock Extreme9 for example. Funny enough, I’m looking to sell mine but I can easily see how someone would love to set up a render machine on it. Even the extreme 6 supports 3 gpus at 8x, the extreme 9 supports 4 at 8x, and the extreme 11 supports 4 at 16x. (All at gen 3 though)

[@ClayWeber]

I have one of those no-brand "Machinist" style motherboards that supports my i7-3770 and DDR3, yet has an NVME slot. Cost about 50 dollars, and works great, if you can stand having half the SATA ports being 2.0. I was surprised at such a thing, and was only looking for cheap used boards to slap together a NAS type of system out of existing parts.

[@Y_R_U_running]

That clip with the angle-grinder cutting out chips is wild :D

[@TheDecree93]

This was actually a really great video to watch. I’d love to see more vids about the weird stuff you get from like Taobao and other China domestic sites. Cool to see what the gamer fam uses across the other pond

[@epicspooderboi6180]

Taobao isn't that bad if you know what you're doing. I've made a custom keyboard using it

[@randomyoutubeuser8509]

3:59 Hey I've seen that yellow screwdriver before it was included with Ikea purchase

[@DctrGizmo]

I honestly wasn't expecting that much performance for the price!

[@TomiWebPro]

I brought a dual socket 2680v4 and a 5700xt miner card, 64 Gb of DDR4 2133 ecc RAM and 1TB pcie gen 3 storage system in china, the whole set costed me about 1900 yuan or about 300 bucks in USD, I would not buy that system whatsoever given that it lacks in terms of GPU power, RAM, Storage and pcie connections (mine has 2x pice x16 and 4x pcie x8), so I don't know what you're talking about

[@handzze7341]

@@TomiWebPro are you joking?

[@knoxhsieh]

2:39 I genuinely thought he’s gonna say the kids😂😂

[@DominikPiaszczyk]

9:43 he just found system management that included device management, 'crap' [close]

[@Troppa17]

The X99 B85/H87 thing boils down to connectivity. The DDR4 memory capability comes obviously from the CPU itself. Intel never intended B85 for these 2011-3 chips but apart of that these connect over DMI 2.0 as well and have only fewer USB and SATA 3.0 ports vs. X99. So I don't think there's more than just some firmware trickery needed to get these chipset running with 2011-3 CPUs.

[@cht473]

Taobao is actually a really good source for tech videos, as the Chinese market is so large that almost every niche product may have enough sales to survive.

[@Jojje94]

Taobao has all kinds of interesting stuff in any product category you can think of.

[@mateuszzimon8216]

Also m.2 devices (Sata controllers, AI board), with different keying. Or just conversion board from "apple SSD" to regular m.2

[@snowhawk4049]

I would have never expected that you can get a somehow decent case for less than $20.

[@TomiWebPro]

20 yuan is too much for just a case in china, no joke

[@krabmen2592]

@@TomiWebPro That's not true? 20 yuan is around 88ntd which is a lunch meals cost.....

[@TomiWebPro]

@@krabmen2592 if you would like to buy a case, I mean a iron box shaped like a computer case, like that, yeah, 20 yuan, 10 yuan, shipped to your house, it should contain 2 USB 2 or maybe usb3's, the best of the best case I've came across, like those 9 argb in take out take fans, and water cooling compatible, 240 360 compatible ones, around 115 yuan 3 side themper glass matx or atx white/black, really beautiful case, still less than 20 USD u've mentioned, 20 USD I would go for a nice pcie3.0 512 GB drive in china, not a fancy case

[@chrisjuan9249]

@@krabmen2592 it takes so much less to build a pc case than a actual decent lunch meal

[@TimGamingg]

Hi, Linus is actually wrong, taobao does not serve only the domestic market in China. Taobao does ship overseas but because the app is only in chinese it’s not used by many non chinese people, further more it’s not popular outside of china since the shipping is rather slow. Also in some more rare cases the seller simply won’t send it overseas because they just don’t know how to get it to you.

[@qu3tzal790]

That mousepad is the mousepad used in every internet cafe in my country🤣

[@especialistaemmira3796]

Is common here in Brazil cheap builds with Xeons using Machinist and other AliExpress mobo's, some builds costs us 3x less than a regular build with an i5

[@CarbonDPG]

The RAM sticks there, especially the UCS (Cisco) ram stick isn't (likely) from networking equipment. It's from a blade server (equivalent would be something like a Dell PE (PowerEdge) M1000e Blade Enclosure, with the actual server being something like the Dell PE MX750c. The MX750c is the actual compute part.

[@Korulag]

I used to have a Xeon from China which was adapted to run on 775 socket (very old hardware update attempt) and it was quite flawless, I only needed to install the BIOS to have the processor being supported. So it looks like they've taken that to another level with this kind of pre-built computers... And yes, they are quite popular in post-USSR countries when you may not have enough money to step up and buy whole new computer but you want something more robust than you already have) Anyway, there's definitely a market for such computers, just reinstall the Windows as soon as you get one

[@mek101whatif7]

May I ask you how did you find that? I have a bunch of old 775 socket motherboards which would benefit from an upgrade...

[@sarmatiko]

@@mek101whatif7 775 is pretty old and IMO it's not worth bothering with such upgrade anymore. But if you still want it, you can probably find pre-modified BIOS'es for your motherboard from ideafix modder. If your motherboard isn't in the database, then it probably wont support s771 Xeon. Those old Xeon's itself cost pennies now Aside from that, x99 motherboard+V3 Xeon+Ram packs on Ali all cost less than 100$ and are enough for most 1080p games with something like RX5700 or 2060.

[@哈東西]

@@mek101whatif7 The specific modification method involves grinding a notch in the CPU and rotating it 90 degrees for installation on the motherboard. Additionally, two specific CPU contacts can be swapped by covering them with a layer of PCB or by soldering. The person who discovered this method is a genius.

[@bitelaserkhalif]

it was with sticker, 771 to 775 sticker@@哈東西

[@ThePCExpertAmateur]

I learned more from this video than most of your other videos.

[@yiffery]

That 360 "Secure" web browser was on my grandparents old Lenovo Laptop. The only way I found to uninstall it was to go to Program Files and manually delete the software. This was the most predatory software I have ever met.

[@TomiWebPro]

Would you like to try 2345 brouser, once my dad went to this skechy dell computer shop in china, my dad forced the tech guy to install some (software) for him despite I told him I can do it, and this guy was so angered and installed 2345 for him, left it for one day, there are more than 200 malware apps installed by 2345, full of viruses and "optimisers", ads popping up filling the screen, and background picture changed to some sex drug banner, thee were butterflies and bumping, spinning notifications, I had to literally reinstall the whole windows, and a USB thumb drive that was plugged in got contaminated as well and infected later on our older windows 7 desktop (I killed it as soon as I found out so not much harm were caused), yeah the 360 does seem "secure" huh?

[@matchgamemaking8497]

I'm russian and it's 100% true we have huge community for old Xeons, i thought i was common in other countries as well😅

[@BansheeBunny]

8:32 Some motherboards have specific USB ports for keyboards, if you need in the BIOS. This is usually the first 2.0 port on the rear IO.

[@KOTYAR0]

First time I heard abt this, thanks for sharing 👍

[@hexie_Proto]

3:51 I HAVE THAT DAMNED KEYBOARD AND AFTER A YEAR OR SO ITS F,F3,ALT,fn, AND CTRL KEY DOESNT WORK WOULDNT RECOMEND

[@orglv]

It's recommended to buy parts seperate from taobao. There is some official flagship online stores such as asus, deepcool etc, but that's about same price as global. I'm neighboring country of china and it's pretty beneficial. I could buy anything from taobao and it ships within 10 days via local cargo company.

[@rmflom12]

To be precise Linus, should have mentioned that Cisco also makes servers, and that memory most likely comes from a Cisco server rather than a switch since these usually don't require that much ram, even really high end ones with removable/expandable memory

[@ranid0072]

13:00 not so good RAM, which causes annoying latency. And mouse, yep.

[@mtfoelix]

If you are interested in this kind of mainboards I recommend taking a look at the huananzhi x99 qd3 or qd4, which is very well made and has basically no flaws. The qd3 is even more weird, as it supports ddr3 on the broadwell ep cpus. Which was normally no thing. There is just a handful of special OEM CPUs having dual ddr3/4 memory controllers. My recommendation for a cpu would be the E5-2696v3 and running it with some cores disable but alle Core Turbo Mod. If you are lucky it might turbo to 10* 3.8GHz. A bit cheaper is the 2667v3. The broadwell chips are not so interesting as you can not get an all core turbo unlock.

[@maxthehuman004]

Huanan Qd4 is a good one, but it doesn't have sleep mode. Not a big deal but is a flaw

[@artyrkarpov7463]

I have 2697v3. It is cheaper than 2696v3 but not very different in games. And QD4 good motherboard. Wich I have)

[@bitelaserkhalif]

Since LGA 1156 (DESKTOP) and LGA 2011 (SERVER), the memory controller is on the CPU. But before that, the IMC is on mobo. I still remember ga g41m combo that has 2 DDR2 and 2 DDR3 slots. Basically it's possible to have combo ddr3/ddr4 for those x99, since IMC still have ddr3 support. Skylake is the same, still have ddr3 IMC. So does the alder lake and raptor lake, still have ddr4 IMC. Only one Chinese company made lga 1700 DDR4 combo DDR5 mobo tho, ONDA.

[@dominik5370]

we need the tiktok shop build now

[@GeneEkimen]

In Russia similar motherboards is very popular, because shipment is very low price, I build computers with q87 chipset motherboard and it great with RTX3060ti. But recently I found out about more interesting motherboard with ES 0000 processors similar with i7-11800H and it has PCI-E 4.0. One of that will came to me tomorrow aaaaand will be tested =)

[@selorm]

I miss taobao/tmall. Temu is just all the low range stuff from taobao that they cant sell off. You can get everything from there including name brands. So you can choose what range of quality you want for what you can afford. My 100rmb trainers from 2015 and 2017 are still going strong and i wear them basically every day i went out. (I like same same)

[@ShinyHuntr1710]

Linus I would love to see you guys do a video review on the sub-$200 "gaming" pcs on Amazon that look like someone took an office workstation and slapped RGB on it! That would be VERY interesting to see!

[@Deses]

It would not be interesting. It's just what you said, an office pc with RGB. A investigation about those sellers and their sketchy practices tho, that would really be a good watch.

[@tsu177]

pretty sure he already did a video about those

[@ShinyHuntr1710]

@@Deses I see your point, but I never meant their actual capabilities anyway... I meant sorta what your talking about with them being marketed as gaming pcs but it being essentially a scam.

[@Light-DelaBlue]

they already done that in past.

[@Aerosklice]

0:14 this is amazing excuse me ???

[@SyntheticFuture]

1:08 \\ Lol. GTX-1060 is about 100 - 120 EU here 😂 Our second hand prices are so messed up...

[@TomiWebPro]

1060 in china is rated less than even 588, and although it sells for 600 yuan in china, no one really buys it, they buy 580 8g miner card, or 590 8g for about 250 yuan to 300 yuan, if you add another 200 yuan on top of the 600 from the 1060 (like me) you can buy a nice 5700xt old miner with three fans if you finds a good deal, I've got it for 675 in china with shipping to my house

[@OldManBadly]

You need to understand that Russia is one of the main "sub-markets" for Chinese mainland sellers. Everything from security cameras to computers, shoes to car parts, and so on. In many cases, Chinese companies will actually open or be part of an in country shipping center in russia to minimize problems with customs and lower shipping costs. It is an extremely large and dynamic combined market. Remember also that Russia does face a certain amount of limitations on technology transfers. While it really isn't as big a deal as that, it does create a marketplace for upscaling older parts into newer, more powerful computers.

[@nikovch1]

since it comes with the cracked windows, i would assume it comes with zero bloatware which means a much better performance, compared to pc's now

[@runerune-_-9727]

You charge 170 dollars for a damn pillow???? Linus Theft Tips

[@Timotej_Senk]

170 dollars?!

[@corybjarnason218]

And an 80$ screwdriver. Edit: 70$

[@michaelscurlock7314]

You ain't gotta buy it goofball

[@cubekoss7547]

Poo

[@l.no.solace7209]

80 is not a lot of money for a tool that you use as much as that. ​@@corybjarnason218

[@ghxstyn]

as someone who built my entire setup (apart from case, power supply and monitor) with AliExpress and is still completely satisfied after a year, this video is so funny

[@cunxu2697]

Taobao is absolutely way more than wish

[@我是小丫头]

I am in China, and this software called 360 is often installed by informal merchants because it can make money. There is often a saying here that "from entry to proficiency, you only need to uninstall 360." This is enough to see that 360 It is difficult to uninstall. However, 360 has recently (but not very recently) launched another version. That version has no ads, no bundled software, and the anti-virus performance is still very good, but the uninstallation is still not satisfactory, but this is our The most powerful anti-virus software in China

[@我是小丫头]

In fact, these cheap computers are very common in China. We have one at home.

[@kikihun9726]

In china, this is a prefect pc for hotels or gaming bars. Cheap, can buy in a lot.

[@s9techz]

I swear the god Linus can build a PC from every existent shopping site in the world

[@kognus]

15:24 вот этого я точно не ожидал.

[@Cyril_T.Ractor]

Никто не ожидал